Like in jazz, do we have music standards in modular?

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Post by Parnelli » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:06 pm

I've always thought of jazz as music without the traditional boundaries (read "rules") that bind so many other forms of music to their genre, and certainly in that respect modular fits the bill!

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Re: I am not refering to manifacturing standards!!!!!

Post by luchog » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:58 pm

Never mind, kind of pointless.

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Post by colb » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:20 am

Does the jazz idea of standards even make sense in the context of modular?

I thought the point of standards in jazz was to provide a harmonic framework for a group of musicians to improvise together.
If you know a good repertoire of standards, then when you play with other jazz musicians, there should be a reasonable number of these tunes that everyone shares knowledge of, and you can all get on with playing the changes - because everyone knows them.
It's not about having tunes that define the genre so everyone can assess each other, it's about certain tunes becoming popular with musicians because their harmonic structure is particularly attractive/challenging/flexible for improvising over.

Is it common for people to get together and improvise with modular synths in groups in a structurally coherent way where all the players have learned a library of pieces, and they all do the modular version of 'playing the changes'?

I'm a modular newbie, but I though mostly people just took a turn and played a solo set, or less commonly played with a partner or in a group where the set had been pre-planned and practiced.

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Post by The Grump » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:29 pm

East Coast Standard=VCO->VCF->VCA, LFO mod VCF, EG mod VCO frequency: Greasiest Fart Noise ever splattered out of robotic fundament.

West Coast Standard=Complex Oscillator FM Drone-y Thing with at least one envelope of a MATHS/DUSG (clone?) set to loop to modulate timbre, probably through Clouds, and a S/H or Turing Machine/Wogglebug/Marbles/SOU through a Quantizer into the 1v/o input of said Complex Oscillator.

Those would be something akin to Jazz Standards, as with rare exception, we (synthesists) tend to pursue timbre, and explore that, rather than specific harmonic and melodic sequences.

That kind of my take on things, anyhow.

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Post by electricanada » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:32 pm

Parnelli wrote:I've always thought of jazz as music without the traditional boundaries (read "rules") that bind so many other forms of music to their genre, and certainly in that respect modular fits the bill!
All genres have rules, otherwise they wouldn't be genres. If you break too many rules, it stops sounding like jazz.
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Post by snercle » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:47 pm

I like this idea of having a room with several modular set ups and someone shouts out a standard and everyone instinctively knows how to patch it :yay:

The use as many filters as possible and then forget where the sound is coming from and have to trace every wire with my finger is my go-to

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Post by colb » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:57 pm

snercle wrote:I like this idea of having a room with several modular set ups and someone shouts out a standard and everyone instinctively knows how to patch it :yay:
I started to Imagine a setup with a central mini system supplying a clock and maybe some fundamental note cv (the changes!), with a few people all plugged into it, all playing together, taking turns at providing bass, percussion, drones etc. All linked by that shared structural CV.

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Post by DeanG » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:47 pm

Really?

"Hey what do you guys feel like playing?"

"How 'bout 'I'll Remember April'? "

"OK,"

"Sounds good, you count it"..

"Key?"

"Wait up guys,I don't really know that one."

Dubious looks all around.

"Huh? What the..."

"Shit, motherfucker doesn't know ' I'll Remember April' !"

"Can't hang."

"Come back when you've done your homework...damn man."

"But fellas, why don't we just try improvising freely, see what happens, huh? Or, or I brought a chart for a new tune, wanna check it out?"

"WHAT!!!" ...as instrument cases are closed and latched and the players walk out the door.


Yeah, I think it's a great idea, lets impose standard forms and expectations on modular synth music. It will really be fun to get in lock step together. Maybe we can even develop a tradition with rules that excludes those who arent hip to it.

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Post by fireclown » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:59 am

popcorn.
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Post by syncretism » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:06 am

fireclown wrote:popcorn.
I can't believe it took this long for someone to say it!

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Post by fireclown » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:21 pm

syncretism wrote:
fireclown wrote:popcorn.
I can't believe it took this long for someone to say it!
for the life of me, I cant think of another tune that really fits.
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