Thank you for that, Dave. Genuinely! I admittedly don't know how contract manufacturing works in the synth industry and that was a helpful and concise overview. Though I'm a builder, I don't build synths and it is easy to project issues in one's own industry onto other industries. And I certainly don't want to misrepresent the situation, so thanks for pushing back on my pushback.Dave Peck wrote: I also wish we could get a Cwejman S1 MK II available from stock with no long wait and for a low price. Just want to point out that your comment does not reflect how contract manufacturing actually works. Assuming that a company is using a contract manufacturing facility to build their products, rather than their own in-house production capability, they typically have to pay a hefty deposit for the production run to the CM up front, often 50% of all materials, every time they want to start up a new production run of that product. And they may not get finished products until many months later, and they don't actually start getting any of their money back until months after THAT, when Thomann and Sweetwater get around to paying their bills for finished units that they received 60 days earlier.
This can mean that a company has to pay out many tens of thousands of dollars to the CM and then wait half a year or more before they start seeing it come back and pass the 'break even' point. This can be a huge cash flow challenge for a small company that is trying to make a production run of a product that isn't exactly cheap to make. And if they are not careful, this kind of cash flow problem can sink a company because they can literally go broke while waiting for the money they spent to come back in. I've worked in electronics manufacturing since about 1980 in both North America and China and I've seen companies go out of business due to exactly this kind of issue.
Knowing this stuff doesn't do anything to get us readily available affordable Cwejmans, I just thought I'd provide some info about why companies can't always just build whatever they want whenever they want to, even when there are customers ready & willing to buy the product.
I know that's impossible for most synth builders to deliver a product that they build in-house unless they charge a fortune or deliver very slowly. I remember waiting for more than a year for Paul to build me a MOTM 440, but he had always told me "I'm slow, but I do good work." And that made sense to me. And when he kickstarted the E370, that made a lot of sense to me. But because I have no idea about contract manufacturing for electronics, the Cwejman situation just doesn't make sense to me. I'm still not sure it does, but thanks again for providing me with a helpful and concise explanation of the issue.
Maybe I'm overestimating demand for Cwejman, but I'm certainly not underestimating the supply relative to demand. There's a global Cwejman shortage that I don't understand. And virtually nobody else in the industry seems to have similar problems. I certainly wasn't saying "Do it like Uli" because I don't like a lot of things Uli does. Invoking him was meant to be inflammatory. But I do want to flood the earth with cheaper Cwejman without compromising on quality. Because those designs and circuits are amazing, and I think that everyone would be better for it except predatory collectors who hoard their precious unobtanium in their proverbial dungeon. The Cwejman module market is a speculator's market. I don't care for that kind of bubble, and would like to see it popped so all the cool kids can play with Cwejman Obtanium. Because Wowa does great work! I just wish there was more of it to go around. And it's exciting that there's a new round of S1's about to drop. I just won't stand in line.chiasticon wrote:admittedly I know nothing about the inner workings of his business as well. but my first thought is I think you may be over-estimating the demand of Cwejman products. I’d say even scaling up to Moog levels (~60 employees) of production would even be overstating it. and Moog don’t exactly have their lack of people saying their gear is too expensive. but they don’t have waiting lists either (other than newly released synths not yet in production). how many people does Uli employ? thousands, right?BTByrd wrote:I don't get it. But maybe I missed something.
I’m not saying you’re wrong that a shift in business could change things. I just think pointing to Uli and saying “do it like him, it’s easy” doesn’t seem like a reasonable expectation.