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mkoenig1990
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saving settings

Post by mkoenig1990 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:42 pm

Hi folks

Is there any way of saving a setting from a hardware synth or module synth?

Since there are synths that let you save settings i wonder if there arent any modules that save the sound you make so you can call it up and play it anytime?

is there any way?

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Re: saving settings

Post by hsosdrum » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:15 pm

If I want to "save" a patch I document every connection and module control setting in an MS Word document. This can be tedious and time consuming, but it works — I am able to tear a patch down, set up a completely different patch and work with it for weeks (or months) and then go back to the original patch by following my documentation.

For example, here's my documentation for a patch for the ELP "Lucky Man" Moog solo (all modules except oscillators and mixer are Dotcom):

Oscillators (3 x SSL VCO 1200):
• Coarse = 3
• Fine = All at A = 440 with two detuned for slight beating (confirm by ear on D2)
• Wave = Pulse; PW% = 50 (square wave)
STG Mixer:
• All 3 oscs = 100%
• Master Out = 100%
• Negative Kill = ON
J150 Ladder Filter:
• Frequency = –1
• Regen = 6 (change to 7.5 at end)
• CV = +2.5 (change to +1.5 at end)
• Input Level = 100%
• Slope = – 24dB
• 1V/oct = Connected to pitch CV
EG:
• Through Y-cable, controls VCF via Q125 (top) and VCA directly
• Attack = 0
• Decay = 5.1
• Sustain = 7
• Release = 7.9
Q125:
• Gain = +200%
• Offset = – 1.7
VCA:
• Response = Linear
• Gain = 0
• Control Level = 4 – 5
Reverb:
• Drive = 8
• Amount = 3.5

I've had this patched up and torn down several times over the past couple of years and the above documentation yields 100% repeatable results.

(BTW, if you want to play the Lucky Man solo, this patch will get you to 99% of Emerson's sound; to 95% with Dotcom oscillators instead of the SSLs.)

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Re: saving settings

Post by jorg » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:01 pm

It's not common that I want to save a sound, but when I do, I take a photo of the modular with all cables and knob settings. Sometimes a closeup on a small area to get exact settings.

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Re: saving settings

Post by lisa » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:33 pm

I took a photo of a small patch the other day.
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Re: saving settings

Post by hamildad » Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:39 pm

hsosdrum wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:15 pm
STG Mixer:
• All 3 oscs = 100%
• Master Out = 100%
• Negative Kill = ON
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Re: saving settings

Post by Pelsea » Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:10 pm

When I have a patch I consider a keeper, I sketch it out like my book examples. Critical settings are listed on or below the diagram.

I would put an example here if it were still possible to post images. (Oh I get it-- there's a hidden "inline" button in the attachment dialog.)
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Re: saving settings

Post by GuyaGuy » Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:05 pm

There's a small but growing number of modules (in Euro at least) that allow for saving patches--mostly things like sequencers. For example you can save patterns on the Malekko Voltage Block which also saves the pattern that's on the Varigate. But that's not going to remember your oscillator settings and so on.

Otherwise the Buchla 200e is the only complete modular system that I know that has memory for most parameters.

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Re: saving settings

Post by Blairio » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:41 pm

For semi modular (like my Moog Grandmother) I have photocopies of the control panel, and for a given patch I note settings and patch points against them.

For modular, I have all but given up trying to recall the totality of a complex patch, with 60* or so different modules. Instead I photograph the settings & patch points on critical sound creation and shaping modules and their modulation sources.

It is a real joy to move back to a synth with total recall, after trying to recreate a modular patch. Every setting recovered with one button press.

*: My rack has the equivalent of 6 full synth voices with associated plumbing. So not all 60 modules contribute to a single sound ,- it is more like a small orchestra, including sequencing and FX.

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Re: saving settings

Post by cornutt » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:09 pm

hsosdrum wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:15 pm
If I want to "save" a patch I document every connection and module control setting in an MS Word document. This can be tedious and time consuming, but it works — I am able to tear a patch down, set up a completely different patch and work with it for weeks (or months) and then go back to the original patch by following my documentation.

For example, here's my documentation for a patch for the ELP "Lucky Man" Moog solo (all modules except oscillators and mixer are Dotcom):

Oscillators (3 x SSL VCO 1200):
• Coarse = 3
• Fine = All at A = 440 with two detuned for slight beating (confirm by ear on D2)
• Wave = Pulse; PW% = 50 (square wave)
I do this too, but at the end of each block, I note where its outputs are going, like so:

Pulse Out -> SSL Steiner Filter Lo Pass In
Sine Out -> MOTM-190 CV 1 In
Sequence 15 -- sequence15.blogspot.com

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Re: saving settings

Post by cg_funk » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:39 pm

So, you can use a module that can remember voltages, and then patch it up the same way each time. There are a few that can do this really well.
I have used the Intellijel Tetrapad to great effect this way, set each voltage the way you want, patch em to your modules, every time you reboot you can recall the exact settings you want.

I don't happen to have one of these, but Livestock makes a module called Ellis that specializes in presets. It has some neat options for crossfading between different settings and things, so I bet it kicks ass in live settings. Anyways, I haven't heard anything bad about it, only praise, so I think it's safe to suggest taking a look:
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/livestock ... nics-ellis

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Re: saving settings

Post by hsosdrum » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:18 pm

hamildad wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:39 pm
hsosdrum wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:15 pm
STG Mixer:
• All 3 oscs = 100%
• Master Out = 100%
• Negative Kill = ON
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Re: saving settings

Post by hsosdrum » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:28 pm

cornutt wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:09 pm
hsosdrum wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:15 pm
If I want to "save" a patch I document every connection and module control setting in an MS Word document. This can be tedious and time consuming, but it works — I am able to tear a patch down, set up a completely different patch and work with it for weeks (or months) and then go back to the original patch by following my documentation.

For example, here's my documentation for a patch for the ELP "Lucky Man" Moog solo (all modules except oscillators and mixer are Dotcom):

Oscillators (3 x SSL VCO 1200):
• Coarse = 3
• Fine = All at A = 440 with two detuned for slight beating (confirm by ear on D2)
• Wave = Pulse; PW% = 50 (square wave)
I do this too, but at the end of each block, I note where its outputs are going, like so:

Pulse Out -> SSL Steiner Filter Lo Pass In
Sine Out -> MOTM-190 CV 1 In
I suppose if I were documenting the patch for others I would note all connections, like KBD pitch and gate, but since those are more or less permanent connections on my machine I don't need to document them for myself. For a standard keyboard sound patch (VCO>Mixer>VCF>VCA) I only note if there's a connection that's out-of-the-ordinary (like the Q125 that drives the VCF CV in my "Lucky Man" patch). I also note the absence of usual connections, such as an organ patch that has no VCF CV connections at all.

I have documented a different patch that involves 2 rows of a Q119, with their outputs thru a Q962 that's being triggered by keyboard gate commands thru a Q170 MIDI Gates. That one has all connections documented.

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Re: saving settings

Post by nios » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:37 pm

What I normally do, is that if I'm recording in something for serious intention to use it, I write out brief-ish patch notes of what the specific, key modules used were in the filename. Usually this is a list of the osc/sound sources, filters and key effects or modulator(s) used, and avoiding listing things that either are interchangeable (like the source of some generic LFO'ing) or things that don't change much (or ever) patch to patch like VCAs, clock source etc. If applicable, aka it was being controlled/sequenced from my DAW I'll also note the number of the track pattern used in the recording.

This sometimes makes for rather long filenames, but as I separate out the recordings into groups of files per-track it doesn't get too messy, and these prove invaluable later for if I want get something similar without having to just guess what I was doing back then, and without having to go pull up a photo album and squint at it. I've tried photo documenting patches, but I've literally never been compelled enough to go 1:1 recreate a patch from one, and find my filename-notes generally sufficient enough to get me back in the ballpark of that sound. It's not like someone's going to quiz you later on what the exact settings on your attenuverters or fine-tune on oscs were in a specific track - at most, it's "what osc/filter was doing that", "what effects is that", "what was doing the modulating for that effect" etc. Which you can all note in the file name.

If your system is small / light on sound sources, filters etc so that there's no change you'd get confused with later, then even this level of note-taking may not be of huge assistance. If the rack is growing / morphing a lot with stuff coming in and out, then it'd be very useful.

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