What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by numan7 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:35 am

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Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:33 am
I don't really see how this applies to one person deciding to keep expanding their modular, unless there's a point where the system gets so complex that it starts ordering new modules for itself without human intervention...
:tu: i kind of suspect my system started doing that a while ago.


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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by 3hands » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:04 am

numan7 wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:35 am
Slothrop wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:33 am
I don't really see how this applies to one person deciding to keep expanding their modular, unless there's a point where the system gets so complex that it starts ordering new modules for itself without human intervention...
:tu: i kind of suspect my system started doing that a while ago.


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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by Licudi » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:01 am

cornutt wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:02 pm
Licudi wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:04 pm
Maybe we should throw in 'mission creep' as well.
With modulars, "mission creep" comes with the territory. :guinness: Seriously, that's kind of what a modular is for...
I disagree but then I built my small eurorack for a specific purpose. I admit I sometimes lost sight of that objective along the way...

Apologies to the OP as I suspect this topic had drifted from what he wanted to discuss.

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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by PhineasFreak » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:22 pm

3hands wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:04 am
numan7 wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:35 am
Slothrop wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:33 am
I don't really see how this applies to one person deciding to keep expanding their modular, unless there's a point where the system gets so complex that it starts ordering new modules for itself without human intervention...
:tu: i kind of suspect my system started doing that a while ago.


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this ties in with my suspicion that the generative setup is going to sue me for royalties on the music it composed...
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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by StillNotWorking » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:03 pm

PhineasFreak wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:22 pm
this ties in with my suspicion that the generative setup is going to sue me for royalties on the music it composed...
When it does tell it someone beat it to it
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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by Slothrop » Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:17 pm

Pelsea wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:15 pm
I guess I was unclear in my use of critical mass. I was using it in the business sense, not the nuclear physics sense i.e. : a size, number, or amount large enough to produce a particular result. I just thought it would catch your eye.
Ah, that makes sense, yes.

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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by Slothrop » Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:24 pm

Licudi wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:04 pm
Maybe we should throw in 'mission creep' as well.
Yeah, this is definitely a thing. I don't have a modular in the conventional sense but where I started off getting a few pedals to make a bass guitar sound funny, I now seem to have a sort of self-contained ambient / noise rig involving a bunch of delay / looper / granular type pedals, a piezo noise box, a contact miked kalimba and a three-channel multipath mixer / router thing. Every step in the evolution of this setup made sense at the time, but it's definitely not where I expected to end up when I set out...

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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by 3hands » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:58 pm

PhineasFreak wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:22 pm
3hands wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:04 am
numan7 wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:35 am
Slothrop wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:33 am
I don't really see how this applies to one person deciding to keep expanding their modular, unless there's a point where the system gets so complex that it starts ordering new modules for itself without human intervention...
:tu: i kind of suspect my system started doing that a while ago.


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That’s a fantastic excuse if your significant other asks!!!

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this ties in with my suspicion that the generative setup is going to sue me for royalties on the music it composed...
Haha that actually made me laugh out loud! Thank you!!
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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by monads » Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:35 pm

Critical mass start.....

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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by gruebleengourd » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:24 am

I imagine there are a lot of people here are "into synthesizers" as much as "into music."
Critical mass for someone who is mostly "into synthesizers" would likely be where they tried out everything that they were curious about and is now content with what they have chosen and see most new modules as just some variation on something they've seen before or a shortcut to doing something they can already do anyhow.

Critical mass for someone who is mostly "into music" is a basic system that lets them create sounds for their music that they enjoy using. It could be a very small setup that gets changed out often to keep things diverse when making new works, but it needn't be a do it all, having experienced it all giant modular.

I fall somewhere in between and have 3 different "large" cases (270-300 hp) designed to be complex and complete instruments with different character/styles, a small control case that I can use with anyone of them, and an even smaller minimal instrument case that's essentially a flexible monosynth. I have zero interest in anymore modular, but do still get my strings pulled by things that are very old and odd.

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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by KSS » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:09 pm

gruebleengourd wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:24 am
I imagine there are a lot of people here are "into synthesizers" as much as "into music."
Critical mass for someone who is mostly "into synthesizers" would likely be ..

Critical mass for someone who is mostly "into music" is a basic system that ..
Great post. Well said.
Very often see synths only being talked about as accessories to music making, while they have value outside of that narrow scope. Just as music itself has many different meanings and paths for an individual. Music is more than songs, and synths are more than music.

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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by PhineasFreak » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:32 pm

KSS wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:09 pm
gruebleengourd wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:24 am
I imagine there are a lot of people here are "into synthesizers" as much as "into music."
Critical mass for someone who is mostly "into synthesizers" would likely be ..

Critical mass for someone who is mostly "into music" is a basic system that ..
Great post. Well said.
Very often see synths only being talked about as accessories to music making, while they have value outside of that narrow scope. Just as music itself has many different meanings and paths for an individual. Music is more than songs, and synths are more than music.
totally agree - unfortunately there's times when i fool myself into thinking i'm inly into music and try to reduce my setup to a minimmum [ending up punishing myself for nit just having a computer] and other times where i fully accept i'm into synthesisers and luxuriate into having lots of toys just cos they fun.
https://thomaswulfe.bandcamp.com/
http://www.soundcloud.com/ylem-records/
http://www.soundcloud.com/best-of-ylem/
http://www.soundcloud.com/waxcide/
http://thomaswulfe.muffwiggler.com/
http://ljunggrenaudio.com/
http://waxcide.bandcamp.com/
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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by Pelsea » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:04 pm

I must confess, I built a new case, adding 208 hp of empty space:
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And I'm not fooling myself, there's room for another 4U somewhere down the road.

It's still true that the system as presented at the top of this thread meets my musical needs, but on reflection, there is one need that "completing" the instrument was making more difficult-- I like to build things. Once the instrument is finished, that particular need goes unmet. Sure, I can compose and code and write, but there is a satisfaction in drilling panels and putting together boards that those other activities don't provide. So that's the real answer to "how did it get so big". And I guess it will keep getting bigger.
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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by D_Robot » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:42 pm

Pelsea wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:04 pm
I must confess, I built a new case, adding 208 hp of empty space:
modular 20-04-05.jpg

And I'm not fooling myself, there's room for another 4U somewhere down the road.

It's still true that the system as presented at the top of this thread meets my musical needs, but on reflection, there is one need that "completing" the instrument was making more difficult-- I like to build things. Once the instrument is finished, that particular need goes unmet. Sure, I can compose and code and write, but there is a satisfaction in drilling panels and putting together boards that those other activities don't provide. So that's the real answer to "how did it get so big". And I guess it will keep getting bigger.
That's the thing that separates a pastime from work. When I look at the tools I use for work I focus only on those that maximise my productivity, efficiency and effectiveness. Everything else is dismissed that doesn't meet these criteria.

When it comes to my synth I am much more open to entertaining my whims and fancies as there is nothing critical relying on my choices. So the critical mass becomes something quite different. For me it appears to be 36u.

Google definition of critical mass - the minimum size or amount of resources required to start or maintain a venture.

My criteria is the ability to explore the various types of synthesis and theory that interests me. I have reached that point and looking at my system I know that, with what I have, it will take more than the rest of my life to explore.

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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by wuff_miggler » Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:14 pm

Cool question -

I am currently building a 9U system which is 75% full..(modules and case are in the mail somewhere)
With the goal of "fully analogue human gesture electronic instrument" - sounds wanky - but that's how I feel i will successfully be able to limit the system. I will be more than capable of producing an insane array of single shot/samples + solo instrument performances with this set up. It will grow and cap off at 15U/420HP. I am not interested in newer computer in a box type modules...i have incredible software that does amazing things and am not afraid to use it and i infact think it is miles easier to do certain things on a pc than it is on hardware or even modular. Sequencing with hardware seems like wiping bottoms with sandpaper and is not for me...

however.

i'd like to expand on system above to have additional modules to allow simultaneous generative + solo voice playing - i control one system 100% and the other one is more or less playing on its own. Id like both systems to feed each other. I'm pretty sure that this is my critical mass.

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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by KSS » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:00 pm

wuff_miggler wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:14 pm
With the goal of "fully analogue human gesture electronic instrument"
Vectr 3D gesture controller by Matt Heins -open source- could be a good fit for this.

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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by galaxiesmerge » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:12 pm

For my own personal, highly subjective viewpoint, I consider all my gear to be a part of my ModCan Modular. For me it was 112 modules. I'm able to work polyphonically and patch in ways that were never conceived of by the designers of the modules. So I have ample input (and important things like envelope followers) but also make a *lot* lot of use of MOTU VOLTA (prior was Expert Sleepers). So I don't need to buy modular sequencers or more modulators since it is all available with all the gear. But that was my own point of perspective - that's when I stopped buying modular. Then I messed around listening to some Buchla stuff. So now I use the Softube Modular and can feed it into my ModCan -sort of an interesting combination. What I found remarkable is the NORD G2X Modular and the Kyma system. The G2X has the right IO balance for me and combining that gives me scope for the rest of my life I should think. I love the old gear but also love new gear too. I'm looking for a Hartmann Neuron keyboard but that search only started in the last several months - perhaps I will eventually break and write the neural net code for the Kyma ... we'll see. The thing is that I code for a living and when I play music I am generally not as interested in writing code some more compared to just playing ;)

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Re: What is the critical mass of a synthesizer?

Post by wuff_miggler » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:16 pm

nice - i see a common thread in a few people modulating from their pc and sound generating on their modular :)

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