What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by YannDhou » Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:07 am

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Discover happy accidents and experiment with different thinking :ghost:
These happy accidents as you named it come from the fact that we all design our own instrument, I think “MODULAR” describe himself.

Can be an error, can be just a whole lot of modulation that modulate another modulation source, random voltages, Euclidean sequencers, all of these parameters can be sent to everything as for sound design or musical sequencing purposes, that’s a whole new way to make music, clearly it’s your own way of making music!

I’m quite new to modular and I didn’t thought about this before going modular.. well does it matter?..

My primary goal when I first really composed electronic was to make people dance, I love violent dance music ahah. :hihi: :hihi:
Then I went modular, I was impressed how a little tweak can throw you in an whole new world. The best part in all this is the sound and the interaction with your instrument to produce that sound. You can ear the sound morphing instantly as you turn knobs, and of course it’s instantaneous electrons are traveling at the speed of light right?..
Then, the live capability of modular synth is crazy, because you design your instrument you need to know it perfectly, you know what sound you want? Then of course you know what to do to produce it! Again Euclidean sequencer are crazy I’d love to have an Euclidean circles in my rack, I know that modular is not the only way to go when it comes to these new way of making music, but hell no I’m not playing music with Max or Puredata in front of an audience. :eek:

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by Kattefjaes » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:01 am

chachi wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:11 am
Fog Door wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:11 pm
i have long ago given up on the idea that this music could be for others
Never give up on that. Your music may not be commercially viable, maybe it would appeal to a very small niche of listeners, possibly even an audience in single figures. But if one person likes some music you made and listens to it for pleasure, then that is a beautiful and worthwhile thing, imo :)
haha, y’all my SC totals ain’t going up!!

i do realize how good this feels. i’ve “released albums” in my life and had that one random friend say they like that one random track and you know they aren’t lying cause who would pick that track?? and it feels great! but you guys see how much music is dropped on this site on the daily and you know you don’t listen to it all. and that’s on the site where people are the most predisposed to synth noise enjoyment. you’ve probably read the threads where (it feels like) 80% of people on THIS SITE say that modular electronic music is boring and they don’t listen to it. it takes a very very specific touch to nab listeners even in this, the most receptive of audiences.

i’m just a realist, and a realist with thin skin, tbh. it feels better to make myself happy than to try to please and fail. again.
There's a lot of truth to that, but it does feel like the last line is the most important. Making "music" (with or without inverted commas) that is the kind of thing you want to hear might be the greatest private luxury. When I realised that's what I was doing, it felt a bit odd at first- like it was a slightly dubious admission.. but that's what I enjoy doing. My shameful secret!

It makes more sense when I realise that a lot of the music I enjoy is a little bit.. fringe too. I love balls-out stripped-back techno (Surgeon is a favourite). I love breakcore. I love hugely protracted ambient pieces. Even the most eminent practitioners of these styles are distinctly fringe interests. Maybe if I loved overly-whiny power-ballads and spent all my time trying to record them in my spare time, I'd feel more of an urge to share, they're music for meatbags. It's way more fitting if you're a peculiar and unsocial nerd, to be secretly making weird minority electronic sounds happily in the dark. It's probably more socially acceptable than becoming a supervillain.

It's a great feeling the next day when you remember that you made a thing, you listen back to it and enjoy it. An expensive hobby but probably better for mental and physical health than a coke habit :twisted:

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by chachi » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:50 am

Kattefjaes wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:01 am
It's a great feeling the next day when you remember that you made a thing, you listen back to it and enjoy it. An expensive hobby but probably better for mental and physical health than a coke habit :twisted:
yes!

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by RenderDender » Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:30 am

For me personally it's about how well I can apply my skills. Isn't it the same for everyone?
I mean, I've had a musical education as a teenager, but it amounts to nothing really. But being a cs researcher in real life I feel like I can get the most out of modular stuff.
DIYing, programming, math, overall autism required to patch and wiggle knobs for hours, this just feels like my kind of thing.
I wouldn't even call myself a musician of some sort, I consider myself more of a technician for this bizzare electronic creature I am building and maintaining.
And it just feels like fun. When I play piano/guitar/anything else, it just feels like I am forcing myself. Plus I like electronic music.
There are a lot of factors really, but they all kind of converged on modular synthesizers. Can you really explain why you like doing something? :despair:

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by PhineasFreak » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 am

a) hoping [and somewhat/sometimes] succeding in ensuring that if i start from a sufficiently weird sounding begining, even by the time the rest of my musical process is horrendously traditional/rigidly boring, at least there will still be some originality to my music
b) so i can do live techno that doesnt sound like other techno and also conveniently is hardware based so i dont suffer computer crashes mid show - i like knowing i'm the most likely source of error.
c) generative sequencing created from the rawest building blocks i can achieve to result in a load of mathematical fucntions producing music with no human input - i want to build installation art that once setup can run for a minumum of days and constantly evolve through a variety of original melodies/chord patterns/rhythms/patterns all of its own creation - and specifically indulge my love of building such thing from the simplest elements possible - slope generators/detectors, comparators, boolean logic, clock dividers etc
chachi wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:11 am
haha, y’all my SC totals ain’t going up!! ...
on a v relevant point here - its worth remembering, soundcloud is. still really not a platform many browse for music to listen to for everyday pleasure or whatever reason people choose for music listening - you want an audience that is as large as possible made up of people who actually search for music like the stuff they want: put your stuff on youtube, its also frtee like soundcoud, no limits to the amount of stuff you can ut up relatively and importantly, the number of people who default to youtube. as their maion source for new msuic is IMMENSELY larger than soundclouds - and you can use the same tags etc as you use with soundcloud if you feel they are the only ones you'd coose to attract people to listn to your music.

equally importantly, if you desire a wider audience and soundcloud seems to get you no-where consider - soundcloud is essentially social media more than a music distribution site or whatever other thing you consider it. i.e. if you dont promote yourself you wont get your 'totals' up - it is, like the rest of the music scene for those whocare about audience size, numbers of plays, commercial appeal etc, a pissing contest - who can afford to yell the loudest about how everyone should listen to /them/.

if you really care, either go the whole hog music promotion aspet of the industry or, on the cheap, look through sites like fiver and find somone with social networking askills who will for a fee up your profile in visibility and targeted. audience advertising etc to say 'HEY - GIVE ME A LISTEN, YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY LIKE IT' - tho this usually requires accepting that stuff like how you tag your music has to be changed to attract the crowd you want yet hadnt realised think diffferently to you...
https://thomaswulfe.bandcamp.com/
http://www.soundcloud.com/ylem-records/
http://www.soundcloud.com/best-of-ylem/
http://www.soundcloud.com/waxcide/
http://thomaswulfe.muffwiggler.com/
http://ljunggrenaudio.com/
http://waxcide.bandcamp.com/
Just remember what Phineas would say... "eurorack can get you through times of no money better than money can get you through times of no eurorack". - bkbirge/

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by Pharmgrinder » Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:38 pm

PhineasFreak wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 am

c) generative sequencing created from the rawest building blocks i can achieve to result in a load of mathematical fucntions producing music with no human input - i want to build installation art that once setup can run for a minumum of days and constantly evolve through a variety of original melodies/chord patterns/rhythms/patterns all of its own creation - and specifically indulge my love of building such thing from the simplest elements possible - slope generators/detectors, comparators, boolean logic, clock dividers etc
That's cool man. I have dreamed of creating installation art too.

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by noodlesoup » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:02 pm

To force ephemera, and to limit myself to patch from scratch. I compose linear things with other gear, so I wanted something that would force me to let go of intention. For that reason, I don't have a normal note sequencer, just synced LFOs if I want something to repeat, and shaped S&H for wandering. My concessions to sanity are Euclidean Circles and a Penrose Quantizer.

I thought I understood synthesis, but was sorely mistaken.

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by PhineasFreak » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:10 pm

Pharmgrinder wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:38 pm
PhineasFreak wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 am
c) generative sequencing created from the rawest building blocks i can achieve to result in a load of mathematical fucntions producing music with no human input - i want to build installation art that once setup can run for a minumum of days and constantly evolve through a variety of original melodies/chord patterns/rhythms/patterns all of its own creation - and specifically indulge my love of building such thing from the simplest elements possible - slope generators/detectors, comparators, boolean logic, clock dividers etc
That's cool man. I have dreamed of creating installation art too.
i have nearly finished this:

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and it will eventually drive something like this - basically a collection of voices capable of massive timbral/tonal variation:

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the theory is i'll have the sequencing case driven by the qu-bit bloom as a core source of 1v/oct and gates/trigs - then these can be fruther varied via the collection of ladik mathematical/geometrical/logical/chaotic/random etc stuff working in a selection of feedback loops to produce a very dense set of trig/gate and continuous voltage ins/outs system that 'buffers' the more violent swings of cv from the doepfer slopes/lfos, ryo switchings and z8k/nlc/klavis/temps utile stuff resulting in a system that never settles for longer than the core bloom allows it to but neve varies too quickly even when feedbacks might otherwise runaway even to audio frequency - it [when setup right] should just sit there merrily evolving melodies, basslines, gate patterns, etc to feed into the sys1m, pro1, elements etc.

the cool part is i already have built the seq case part - a 12u tilting mixer case, tiptop z-rails/ears and power, and modules cost me only about £2500, and the voice case i have the sys1m and pro1 already - i think i can get hte rest for around £3k, which maybe with some careful soul searching i can raise via an arts council funding grant or similar - if so i'd would be all set to try my hand at touring the country with just two 12u mixer cases and some compact monitoring to build a complete installation art piece that could run independently for anything from a coupla days to a coupla weeks in galleries, arts centres, exhibition halls etc \o/!
https://thomaswulfe.bandcamp.com/
http://www.soundcloud.com/ylem-records/
http://www.soundcloud.com/best-of-ylem/
http://www.soundcloud.com/waxcide/
http://thomaswulfe.muffwiggler.com/
http://ljunggrenaudio.com/
http://waxcide.bandcamp.com/
Just remember what Phineas would say... "eurorack can get you through times of no money better than money can get you through times of no eurorack". - bkbirge/

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by Xomrys » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:40 pm

I'd like to explore generative/modular sequencing, ideally somewhere in the Reich/Riley/Laurie Spiegel universe, but also with a certain sound.

Problem is, I just don't get along with the sound of the modern systems (for instance and especially: Make Noise, Verbos, Mutable), so I use mainly vintage and non-modular stuff. I'd love to get everything modularized and compactified, adding patch points and active/VCA circuitry but I have no idea who does that kind of work and unfortunately have no skills for it myself.

Instead I do modular-style sequencing in Max. This has also allowed me to add some of my own ideas, but the interface is unwieldy and not very hands on, most of it being on the computer.

An actual modular would allow me to do everything with a single, compact system and in a more hands-on way. but I just don't want to move off of a certain basic sound which I find inspiring.

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by Xomrys » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:47 pm

PhineasFreak wrote: c) generative sequencing created from the rawest building blocks i can achieve to result in a load of mathematical fucntions producing music with no human input - i want to build installation art that once setup can run for a minumum of days and constantly evolve through a variety of original melodies/chord patterns/rhythms/patterns all of its own creation - and specifically indulge my love of building such thing from the simplest elements possible - slope generators/detectors, comparators, boolean logic, clock dividers etc
this reminded me. Do you know the work of Roland Kayn or Leo Kupper -- not so much just sequencing but the entire approach -- self-generating music. they built custom systems to do this in the 70's. Kupper's system GAME (Générateur Automatique de Musique Electronique) is particularly insane. May interest you.

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by PhineasFreak » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:16 pm

Xomrys wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:40 pm
I'd like to explore generative/modular sequencing, ideally somewhere in the Reich/Riley/Laurie Spiegel universe, but also with a certain sound.

Problem is, I just don't get along with the sound of the modern systems ... ...An actual modular would allow me to do everything with a single, compact system and in a more hands-on way. but I just don't want to move off of a certain basic sound which I find inspiring.
you'll notice that two of my voices for the sequencing case to drive are a behringer pro1 - should be right up your street - just a pro 1 circuitrywise but with eurorack compatible power, ptchpoints etc, and a roland system 1m which i have loaded in the system 100 plugout - when in the modular compatible mode its eurorack patchpoints and power etc is again compatible with all my modular.
Xomrys wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:47 pm
PhineasFreak wrote: c) generative sequencing created from the rawest building blocks i can achieve to result in a load of mathematical fucntions producing music with no human input - i want to build installation art that once setup can run for a minumum of days and constantly evolve through a variety of original melodies/chord patterns/rhythms/patterns all of its own creation - and specifically indulge my love of building such thing from the simplest elements possible - slope generators/detectors, comparators, boolean logic, clock dividers etc
this reminded me. Do you know the work of Roland Kayn or Leo Kupper -- not so much just sequencing but the entire approach -- self-generating music. they built custom systems to do this in the 70's. Kupper's system GAME (Générateur Automatique de Musique Electronique) is particularly insane. May interest you.
well those were new to me but fascinating reading - many thanks for xpanding my mind, ambitions and feeling of confidence that there are like minds out there even further!
https://thomaswulfe.bandcamp.com/
http://www.soundcloud.com/ylem-records/
http://www.soundcloud.com/best-of-ylem/
http://www.soundcloud.com/waxcide/
http://thomaswulfe.muffwiggler.com/
http://ljunggrenaudio.com/
http://waxcide.bandcamp.com/
Just remember what Phineas would say... "eurorack can get you through times of no money better than money can get you through times of no eurorack". - bkbirge/

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by Digital Larry » Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:42 am

In college many years ago I was in a rock band that mostly did originals. I wrote 4 or 5 songs that turned out pretty well IMO. I enjoyed collaborating and was never much on trying to do convincing covers. At this point in my life I don't play with others very often any more so I'm trying to record some tunes I wrote years ago before I can't do it any more. And sometimes I write something new but I don't force these things. They happen or they don't.

At first I was trying to use modular just as a regular synth voice, with a Beatstep Pro. That was OK but I also enjoy setting up drones or short sequences and then messing with the sounds more than the actual notes themselves. I also like mixing these sounds with real instruments like guitar or bass.

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by Quiet Wilds » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:48 am

Ive been a bass player most of my life. I started playing at 8, played semi-professionally for two years before deciding to go to college. Im now in my 4th year of medical school and have hit a crisis. My schedule for the foreseeable future is untenable for collaborative music, and bass is not a good solo instrument, and I dislike making music in a DAW. I'm calling an audible with modular as an enjoyable way to make music by myself on my own schedule. Im particularly working on doing semi-generative soundscaping that I can accompany on bass. Working to make a modular system that is just predictable enough that my ear training and theory knowledge won't be overwhelmed, but not predictable enough that I feel like Im playing to a backing track. Currently my setup is a Behringer Neutron with a smattering of DIY modulation sources and utilities.

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by Fabong » Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:50 pm

My goal is to create an instrument that can be played or sequenced. I am not concerned with doing everything possible in the rack; I keep sequencing out of it. It is to me much like a guitar or a saxophone or an ARP Odyssey, just another instrument, not a studio-in-a-box. It should be flexible and offer possibilities not found in pre-wired monosynths. Ideally a few voices are possible at once.

I can get the "flavour" of many synths with my rack; while my studio will likely never include a VCS3 or an EDP Wasp, I can certainly acquire a diode filter and a Wasp filter and get most of the way towards both. I enjoy the analog-computer qualities of eurorack, comparators, derivators and logic circuits are interesting to me when exposed in this way rather than hidden inside the synth away from prying eyes.

I also have aims to expand into the Video Synthesis realms, which I consider underrated. But not until my audio rack is much further along.
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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by Pharmgrinder » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:59 pm

PhineasFreak wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:10 pm

i have nearly finished this:
That's super inspiring Phineas. Thanks for sharing. I still have a ways to go before I know the modules I want to use and stuff, but I love knowing that you are doing it. Gives me something to shoot for. Good luck on finishing and taking it on the road. If you ever do manage, please let me know I would love to come and see it. Are you in the US?

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Re: What are your goals when it comes to modular synthesis?

Post by PhineasFreak » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:23 pm

Pharmgrinder wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:59 pm
PhineasFreak wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:10 pm

i have nearly finished this:
That's super inspiring Phineas. Thanks for sharing. I still have a ways to go before I know the modules I want to use and stuff, but I love knowing that you are doing it. Gives me something to shoot for. Good luck on finishing and taking it on the road. If you ever do manage, please let me know I would love to come and see it. Are you in the US?
i'm in the UK right now, but should i manage to complete building the damned thing sometime in the next year or two and then be certain i can get it patched successfully then i will certainly consider taking it further afield than the uk should it prove popular :yay:
https://thomaswulfe.bandcamp.com/
http://www.soundcloud.com/ylem-records/
http://www.soundcloud.com/best-of-ylem/
http://www.soundcloud.com/waxcide/
http://thomaswulfe.muffwiggler.com/
http://ljunggrenaudio.com/
http://waxcide.bandcamp.com/
Just remember what Phineas would say... "eurorack can get you through times of no money better than money can get you through times of no eurorack". - bkbirge/

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