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Post by electricanada » Sun May 10, 2020 7:49 pm

He’s not doing the dumb graphics anymore. His esthetic has actually become kind of boring and normal now. No more yellow. :cry:
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Post by snakejaw » Fri May 15, 2020 11:36 pm

Lux A Turner wrote:
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nomass wrote:
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...but Metasonix modules are pretty cool...
But am I cool enough to own one?

I'm having my doubts now :waah:

If you have to ask, you aren't. (Just joking!)

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Post by artilect99 » Thu May 21, 2020 1:08 am

I guess the downside of living through an analog/modular renaissance is that one day your mom brings home a bunch of mutable instruments modules and starts making new age ambient relaxation videos with it for all her lifestyle followers on instagram.

What's irksome is not the hipster kids posting lame modular noodling -- if there was youtube in the 90's I shudder to think what I might have posted (luckily all that stuff is safely inaccessible on obsolete minidisc) -- but because it is a signal that modular/hardware has become fashionable, part of some consumer lifestyle photo spread and for no other particular reason. Those videos are more like commercials in the way they are shot and arranged; the synth is almost incidental. So much attention is paid to appearances that it seems like its more about depicting a certain kind of lifestyle. They don't say "listen to this" so much as "look at all my shiny toys." Don't you wanna be a cool hipster who drinks herbal tea by his floor to ceiling windows in his zen garden and then have a morning modular session of some ambient dub techno? It's all a little suspect.

I mean it's not so much the mediocrity of it, but the idea of all the people who don't realize it's mediocre. You just know someone is finding an exciting new hobby because the social media "influencer" they follow showed off a sexy lit modular rig next to a banzai tree and 10 grand worth of designer acoustic tiles/modern art. It's like the modular synth is the new middle age crisis mobile.

Luckily though, most of the pretenders will get bored and go back to curating microbrewery beer or making vegan mustache wax or whatever the fuck.

Or maybe I'm just jealous because it took me two years to build up 2 rows of DIY modules and some youtuber can just drop a few G stacks on whatever has a cool looking front panel.

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Post by lisa » Thu May 21, 2020 2:00 am

artilect99 wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 1:08 am
modular/hardware has become fashionable, part of some consumer lifestyle photo spread and for no other particular reason. Those videos are more like commercials in the way they are shot and arranged; the synth is almost incidental. So much attention is paid to appearances that it seems like its more about depicting a certain kind of lifestyle. They don't say "listen to this" so much as "look at all my shiny toys." Don't you wanna be a cool hipster who drinks herbal tea by his floor to ceiling windows in his zen garden and then have a morning modular session of some ambient dub techno? It's all a little suspect.

I mean it's not so much the mediocrity of it, but the idea of all the people who don't realize it's mediocre.
I’m not sure that this description has any truth to it. Are there really people getting into eurorack just to show off the gear in glossy videos, with no interest in the music that they are making? People with no real interest in what they are doing but with a great drive to do it and to do it well? It sounds insane.
My first modular track where I used drum modules! There's also a ton of FM cross modulation from the Instruō Cš-L in there and the Metasonix R56 is a big part of the sound. :star:



We also just did a live performance. Just eurorack, a mixer and two nitwits. :hyper: http://tiny.cc/8ndspz

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Post by Muzone » Thu May 21, 2020 2:34 am

lisa wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 2:00 am
......Are there really people getting into eurorack just to show off the gear in glossy videos, with no interest in the music that they are making? People with no real interest in what they are doing but with a great drive to do it and to do it well? It sounds insane.
I know a few of these types, time & cash rich folk who desperately want a shortcut into "creativity" and Eurorack fits their aspirations perfectly.
Let's be honest, spending a few grand on a "rig" is going to give quite a lot of instant gratification and the ability to produce you tube-able cactus music withing a few weeks of purchase.

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Post by what gives? » Thu May 21, 2020 3:12 am

artilect99 wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 1:08 am
I guess the downside of living through an analog/modular renaissance is that one day your mom brings home a bunch of mutable instruments modules and starts making new age ambient relaxation videos with it for all her lifestyle followers on instagram.

What's irksome is not the hipster kids posting lame modular noodling -- if there was youtube in the 90's I shudder to think what I might have posted (luckily all that stuff is safely inaccessible on obsolete minidisc) -- but because it is a signal that modular/hardware has become fashionable, part of some consumer lifestyle photo spread and for no other particular reason. Those videos are more like commercials in the way they are shot and arranged; the synth is almost incidental. So much attention is paid to appearances that it seems like its more about depicting a certain kind of lifestyle. They don't say "listen to this" so much as "look at all my shiny toys." Don't you wanna be a cool hipster who drinks herbal tea by his floor to ceiling windows in his zen garden and then have a morning modular session of some ambient dub techno? It's all a little suspect.

I mean it's not so much the mediocrity of it, but the idea of all the people who don't realize it's mediocre. You just know someone is finding an exciting new hobby because the social media "influencer" they follow showed off a sexy lit modular rig next to a banzai tree and 10 grand worth of designer acoustic tiles/modern art. It's like the modular synth is the new middle age crisis mobile.

Luckily though, most of the pretenders will get bored and go back to curating microbrewery beer or making vegan mustache wax or whatever the fuck.

Or maybe I'm just jealous because it took me two years to build up 2 rows of DIY modules and some youtuber can just drop a few G stacks on whatever has a cool looking front panel.
What was it that sparked your interest to go into modular?

Muzone wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 2:34 am
I know a few of these types, time & cash rich folk who desperately want a shortcut into "creativity" and Eurorack fits their aspirations perfectly. Let's be honest, spending a few grand on a "rig" is going to give quite a lot of instant gratification and the ability to produce you tube-able cactus music withing a few weeks of purchase.
Is there something wrong with having time, cash and instant gratification? Good for them, really.

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Post by Muzone » Thu May 21, 2020 3:36 am

what gives? wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 3:12 am
.....Is there something wrong with having time, cash and instant gratification? Good for them, really.
I was making an observation, not a judgement - nothing wrong with spending your money and time in having fun, what else are you going to do with it?

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Post by synkrotron » Thu May 21, 2020 5:15 am

what a depressing read... Just saying... I won't be coming back to this one.

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Post by skreetis » Thu May 21, 2020 4:40 pm

Who cares what other people like or do? I don’t like most of the music I hear, in general, but unless it is forced upon me, like out in public, etc, it doesn’t affect me in any way. I certainly don’t go seeking out music on YouTube that I already know doesn’t appeal to me. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you click on a video. Certainly nobody is forcing anyone to watch Cactus Ambient videos. What kind of masochist goes around seeking out shit they don’t like? A lot of music sucks. Some of it is made with modular synths. Who cares?

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Post by Fedor » Thu May 21, 2020 4:54 pm

I kinda had making videos in mind when planning the system, because I wanted to open up to the world a little bit, and playing a screencast of your daw just isn't that interesting. Of course, experimenting with music and sound, experiencing real analog oscillators and filters etc was the key drive. But the fact is - its easier to commit to a listen of something when its a performance on an instrument, synth or otherwise.

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Post by aragorn23 » Fri May 22, 2020 12:20 am

I wonder why the 'hipsters with money' criticism never seems to be made of the beardy old 5U guys who have $100 000 walls of gear and just make endless variations on mid-era Tangerine Dream.

I'm one of those people who has spent years building up a modest, mostly DIY system (in South African Rands, which is really not amenable to affording modular gear!) I don't hate the cactus people - I like their music and love the fact that they share it in a way that reflects sensitivity to visual aesthetics. Watching videos by Lightbath, r beny, Ann Annie and co., all of whom are in fact remarkably musically talented in my opinion, is what got me really into modular. Sure, there are a handful of folks who reproduce their aesthetic quite closely, but why not - it really fits the music they're making (I especially love Ann Annie's old videos shot in different outdoor locations).

90% of this thread just feels like what Nietzsche would call ressentiment (mixed with the worst kind of juvenile toxic masculinity). It's silly and reminds me of when I was 15, listening to death metal and having to constantly humour conversations between other 15 year olds about the crucial differences between being 'true metal' and just being a 'wimpy poser'.

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Post by Fog Door » Fri May 22, 2020 7:52 am

the crucial differences between being 'true metal' and just being a 'wimpy poser'
And here we are discussing the crucial differences between being 'true modular' and 'true cactus' :)

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Post by Voltcontrol » Fri May 22, 2020 8:03 am

Lol is this moanfest still going?

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Post by missingtwin » Fri May 22, 2020 10:24 am

still my favorite thread atm.

projection, externalization, distortion
but mostly just defensiveness.
It's fascinating.

just as the inevitable defense "who cares what other people do?" is going to
pepper the thread - why does it bother you that the OP is bemoaning the creation of this type
of modular music? Does everyone get an award for participation?
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Post by Jim the Oldbie » Fri May 22, 2020 10:33 am

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Post by Domin » Fri May 22, 2020 4:34 pm

I'm a noob. I might be a succulent, how can I tell? :hail:

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Post by missingtwin » Fri May 22, 2020 6:07 pm

If you think your shiny new metasonix module is broken straight out of the box, you are likely a succulent.

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Post by onthebandwagon » Fri May 22, 2020 6:14 pm

missingtwin wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 10:24 am
still my favorite thread atm.

projection, externalization, distortion
but mostly just defensiveness.
It's fascinating.

just as the inevitable defense "who cares what other people do?" is going to
pepper the thread - why does it bother you that the OP is bemoaning the creation of this type
of modular music? Does everyone get an award for participation?

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Post by Domin » Sat May 23, 2020 7:43 am

onthebandwagon wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 6:14 pm
They now have graduations for kindergarten.
Seems pretty cruel to me. Imagine being 6 and forced to sit through some pompous ceremony.
missingtwin wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 6:07 pm
If you think your shiny new metasonix module is broken straight out of the box, you are likely a succulent.
I'm not cool enough dude to own any of that stuff. Just got my clouds clone and wonder what should I put into it.

On topic of boring music. I've seen this guy on yt with a rack of size which would need a saguaro to match and was awfully boring. Still, it seems somewhat of a failure because nobody was offended.

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Post by missingtwin » Sat May 23, 2020 9:28 am

I'm not cool enough dude to own any of that stuff. Just got my clouds clone and wonder what should I put into it.

rhymes with chicken wings

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Post by synkrotron » Sat May 23, 2020 9:38 am

missingtwin wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 9:28 am
rhymes with chicken wings
Distings?

Things?

I dunno... I give up :mrgreen:

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What is the charge? Video taping a plant? A succulent South American plant?
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Post by skreetis » Sun May 24, 2020 4:24 pm

missingtwin wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 10:24 am
just as the inevitable defense "who cares what other people do?" is going to
pepper the thread - why does it bother you that the OP is bemoaning the creation of this type
of modular music? Does everyone get an award for participation?
It doesn’t actually bother me - people complaining about minutiae is practically the basis of the internet - but it does remind me of the “true metal vs false metal” argument which is oh so prevalent in the metal community. Those arguments never amount to anything but an elitist circlejerk that makes the whole thing look rather unappealing to outsiders. Though, maybe that’s the point. :hmm:

Anyway, it doesn’t really make any difference in the end. There’s plenty of room for Rings into Clouds to exist alongside brvtal tvbe distortion. Different strokes and all that. I’m just bitching about bitching. Seems to be quite in the spirit of the thread. Who cares? ;)

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Post by dragulasbruder » Sun May 24, 2020 6:49 pm

I think OP's beef comes from this feeling that the modular Joan-and-Johnny-come-latelys are getting shunted to the social media spotlight for doing some rather unimaginative patching (which, tbh, has been the backbone of most synthesizer music since the Minimoog) and working in a well-trodden and well-groomed style of proximally abstract music, backed up by an a e s t h e t i c home studio setup, some succulents, mood lights, and a GoPro. OP probably feels like sweaty, unkempt, solder-burned builders toiling away in dingy fluorescent-lit garages and wood-paneled basements, buried neck-deep in wire clippings are more "deserving" of this attention, but knows they're mostly too old and ugly to be youtube stars even if they did a little tidying up.

I admit I find the phenomenon of (CW: opinions) mediocrity reaping rewards a little bit annoying--but the system in which this phenomenon exists (one of data aggregation, auto-playlist guessing games, and attention farming) rewards, if not by design, then certainly by default, things that are intentionally similar to one another in content and look good in a thumbnail.

I bet OP would be way more annoyed if the data lords suggested he "Get Lost in the Sounds of YouTube's Growing DIY Acousmatic Harsh Tube Wall Modular Synth Community"--it would suggest that a buy-these-three-modules-and-make-music-just-like-mine formula (lol you know which three) could crack what is perceived to be a "challenging" style of composition and patching. It would suggest that music for difficult listening was in fact easy to make--I know that I, at least, would find this notion aggravating, because I find this to be very much untrue.

I bet OP would be a lot happier if he just wiped his youtube search history every once in a while. Works for me. If I want to see Hainbach, I know where to find him.
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Post by zerodivide » Mon May 25, 2020 2:16 am

everything in life is cyclical. Was modular better when it was only like 4 manufacturers and it was something nobody was doing basically? More people into modular = more money for the companies = more innovation and products. Yes its becoming trendy but that also means more modules are being purchased and look how many new products we're getting. It's definitely feeling like the golden age of Modular right now. That has some negatives perhaps but mostly positive imo. Look at the big picture, this is the cycle of life, you can't control it. Relax and go make some music :)

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