essentials to add to a Behringer Neutron

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essentials to add to a Behringer Neutron

Post by keycat » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:37 am

what are the essentials to add to a system using a Behringer neutron? (I only have $300 to spend so I mean ESSENTIALS to add)

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Re: halp meh

Post by xcc » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:50 am

Tough one. Maybe look at the chromatic Dreadbox modules for some effects and modulation. https://www.dreadbox-fx.com/chromatic-modules/

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Re: halp meh

Post by ndkent » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:54 am

Use it on it's own a while, once you know it you will know what you most need to add

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Re: halp meh

Post by BlinkyLights » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:05 am

If you shop carefully you can score a used Disting and an Ornament & Crime for $300 and get a shitload of functionality in two modules.

Not particularly sexy, but very capable and value-laden.
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Re: halp meh

Post by BlinkyLights » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:07 am

Or a dual function generator like a used Befaco Rampage for around $200, sort of a budget alternative to a Maths, and then get something else with the remaining $100...

Or get an actual Maths, for $250 or so. Very very capable. Hard to go wrong with, frankly. If you only got a Maths at first it's fine.

You can add to it later, but "just" a Maths can do a lot.

Food for thought. There are many ways to go about this, and most of them are equally valid.

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Re: halp meh

Post by BlinkyLights » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:16 am

Do you also need a powered case? Even a small one will chew up some of your $300 budget.

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Re: halp meh

Post by Muff McMuff » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:21 am

All secondhand. A maths, Uzeus power and diy up a rack. You might have change from $300 for cables.

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Re: halp meh

Post by Rex Coil 7 » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:38 am

As was mentioned, power, power distribution, and a means of encasing or racking these neato modules being recommended. That ate up $300 bucks all by itself, unless a crappy sub-par setup is used. One of those 84HP unfinished/powered Doepfer boxes start at $269 plus tax. So there went the big of $300 bucks .... we've got us a cab and power, now what? OP is going to need more couch nickels.
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Re: halp meh

Post by keycat » Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:40 am

so if i were to sell it and therefore have $600, could I make an actual modular synth with it? (something like this (

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Re: halp meh

Post by keycat » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:02 am

BlinkyLights wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:07 am
Or a dual function generator like a used Befaco Rampage for around $200, sort of a budget alternative to a Maths, and then get something else with the remaining $100...

Or get an actual Maths, for $250 or so. Very very capable. Hard to go wrong with, frankly. If you only got a Maths at first it's fine.

You can add to it later, but "just" a Maths can do a lot.

Food for thought. There are many ways to go about this, and most of them are equally valid.
wait so I can just have a maths standalone?

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Re: halp meh

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Let me be the one to say that with that topic title you should get instant veteran wiggler status. Reshpeck!
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Re: halp meh

Post by keycat » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:07 am

strettara wrote:
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Let me be the one to say that with that topic title you should get instant veteran wiggler status. Reshpeck!
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Re: halp meh

Post by keycat » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:12 am

after reading what BlinkyLights said I have another question: sO cAn I uSe MaThS bY iT'S sElF ?

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Re: halp meh

Post by tehyar » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:18 am

Without knowing if you have a case or anything else, I’d say essential would be a keystep. A second Neutron would also be in budget.

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Post by dooj88 » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:20 am

keycat wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:12 am
after reading what BlinkyLights said I have another question: sO cAn I uSe MaThS bY iT'S sElF ?
what do you mean can you use it by itself? will it still function in a case with the correct power supply and patch cables? yes.

you might want to spend some time researching what it can do bY iT'S sElF

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Re: halp meh

Post by Agawell » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:40 am

you would need some sort of rack and power* - but other than that you would use Maths together with the Neutron you already own

a simple case/rack can be built with 2 pieces of wood (use wood screws to screw modules directly to the wood) and a relatively inexpensive power supply - frequency central ones are not too expensive - and available built on ebay - if you can buy a wall wart with it as they can be difficult to find

but that will still knock $100 off your budget - or a cardboard case (see MylarMelodies make one on youtube)

otherwise the nifty case is quite decent apparantly - see the review from Molten Modular on youtube

If I were you I'd try and save up a bit more so you can sort out a case and a very worthwhile 1st module such as Maths (as in addition to the Neutron it will be interesting enough to keep you busy for a few months)

check out the Maths Illustrated manual for patching suggestions - working your way through it slowly a couple of times is really worthwhile
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Re: halp meh

Post by ATW » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:49 am

+1 Maths — I did pretty much exactly that w/ my neutron, with a small skiff case, and went from there.
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Re: halp meh

Post by sduck » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:01 pm

So - is this 300$ all you're going to have for this endeavor - for the rest of your life? Or what time period are we talking about? Maybe it's 300$ this month, and then maybe 250$ next month, or 3 months from now? You should realize that you don't need to get everything at once. Quite a lot of us have 10K-20K$ sized systems that we built up maybe 300$ at a time. Patience, young keycat dude!
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Re: halp meh

Post by keycat » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:21 pm

sduck wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:01 pm
So - is this 300$ all you're going to have for this endeavor - for the rest of your life? Or what time period are we talking about? Maybe it's 300$ this month, and then maybe 250$ next month, or 3 months from now? You should realize that you don't need to get everything at once. Quite a lot of us have 10K-20K$ sized systems that we built up maybe 300$ at a time. Patience, young keycat dude!
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Re: halp meh

Post by keycat » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:28 pm

Muff McMuff wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:21 am
All secondhand. A maths, Uzeus power and diy up a rack. You might have change from $300 for cables.
a second hand maths is already $300 in its self

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Re: halp meh

Post by Voltcontrol » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:39 pm

I'd get an overlay that also has the shift functions printed on it next to one of the great modules already mentioned here.
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Re: halp meh

Post by Ffffffreddy » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:31 pm

Another VCA and filter is the first thing I would add, get two voices going.

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Re: halp meh

Post by ATW » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:53 pm

Ffffffreddy wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:31 pm
Another VCA and filter is the first thing I would add, get two voices going.
Yeah, going more int the timbral route, vs. pure functionality—another filter could add a lot of character to the pair of Curtis-style chips. Take the VCO signals out of the patch bay (before they hit the Neutron's filter) and then into an external VCA / VCF (or LPG) of your choice, and you've got a whole range of timbral stuff to explore.

A Filter8 for example could bring a whole range of things to the table, including pingable drum/perc sounds, LFOs, an additional voice when in self-oscillation, etc.

And in the low-hanging-fruit realm, stackables and/or mults could be good, too, just to bring more self-patching possibilities. Twice the sample and holds, twice the noise signals, multiple clocks if you're using a square LFO to clock stuff, etc.

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Re: halp meh

Post by diggida » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:57 pm

Honestly, for $300 you might be best off getting another semi-modular. They are WAY more bang for the buck. 2 Neutrons is way more functionality than 1. Or a Crave or any of the other Behringer semi-modular offerings would give you a lot of functionality. As everyone has said, the cost of startup isn't cheap in Eurorack.

Personally, I started with a Moog Grandmother and then bought a TipTop HEK and started putting some modules in it...hit like $800 in pretty quick on the modular. Then grabbed a second hand Neutron for $220 and it added SO much flexibility to my setup for so little money its almost dumb NOT to get one, haha. Having the GM and the Neutron covers a lot of the normal stuff you I'd need and then my modular rack can focus on different types of functions.

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Re: halp meh

Post by Muff McMuff » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:01 am

keycat wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:28 pm
Muff McMuff wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:21 am
All secondhand. A maths, Uzeus power and diy up a rack. You might have change from $300 for cables.
a second hand maths is already $300 in its self
The thing with secondhand is its not all available all of the time. Depends where you are in the world also. A brand new Maths in the USA is $290 and you should be able to get 10% discount off that. Secondhand Maths will be $200 or less. Obviously on a tight budget you ignore the $300 secondhand Maths and wait for the decently priced one to show up. It wont take long. Same with a Uzeus power supply. Do some googling on DIY racks. Its possible a month from now you may be sat in front of it all and under budget.

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