Introducing ADDAC403 VC Time Signature Clock Sources

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Introducing ADDAC403 VC Time Signature Clock Sources

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Post by soundslikejoe » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:00 am

Compound meter or poly-meter sequences made easy with the bar output as a reset to everything else. Seems very musical. Very nice!

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Finally!!!! On-board with!!!

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Holy shit the phasing output. Steve Reich in a module!

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Post by OlivierWah » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:46 am

It will be a monster with selfpatching and the new Relabi addac module, cant wait to play with that !
Also If this one is finally out, I have a good hope for addac 505 Mille plateaux...

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damn, finally!!! congee on the release :)

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been waiting for this in ages!

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been waiting for this in ages!
Counting the days, right? :lol:
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Post by M78 » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:42 pm

The manual promises some really cool features. Could be a great partner/alternative to Pams, Trigger Riot, etc.

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Preordered... and patiently waiting like this....

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That december month is so long.

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Man this thing looks like such a beast!

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Post by Arneb » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:43 pm

Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but how do I get a normal 4ppqn clock for a 4/4 piece at 120bpm out of this thing? Do I work with time signature set to 4:4 or to 16:16? Can I use the Tuplets output to get a 3ppqn counterpart to the 4ppqn clock in this constellation? How do the Odds, Evens, Tuplets etc. outputs react when I use the x4 Multiply setting on tap tempo for this?

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Re: Introducing ADDAC403 VC Time Signature Clock Sources

Post by soundslikejoe » Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:17 pm

Arneb wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:43 pm
Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but how do I get a normal 4ppqn clock for a 4/4 piece at 120bpm out of this thing? Do I work with time signature set to 4:4 or to 16:16? Can I use the Tuplets output to get a 3ppqn counterpart to the 4ppqn clock in this constellation? How do the Odds, Evens, Tuplets etc. outputs react when I use the x4 Multiply setting on tap tempo for this?
FTM...
[BEATS P/BAR] sets how many Beats per BAR: 1 to 16

16 Beats P/Bar = 4 PPQN

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Re: Introducing ADDAC403 VC Time Signature Clock Sources

Post by Arneb » Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:55 pm

soundslikejoe wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:17 pm
Arneb wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:43 pm
Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but how do I get a normal 4ppqn clock for a 4/4 piece at 120bpm out of this thing? Do I work with time signature set to 4:4 or to 16:16? Can I use the Tuplets output to get a 3ppqn counterpart to the 4ppqn clock in this constellation? How do the Odds, Evens, Tuplets etc. outputs react when I use the x4 Multiply setting on tap tempo for this?
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[BEATS P/BAR] sets how many Beats per BAR: 1 to 16

16 Beats P/Bar = 4 PPQN
Right, but is the concept of "beats" in the Tempo section the same as in the time signature section? And if it is, how do I get a 4ppqn clock which is not awfully slow, given that a maximum of 250bpm would amount to 62.5 quarter notes per minute?

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Re: Introducing ADDAC403 VC Time Signature Clock Sources

Post by soundslikejoe » Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:04 pm

Arneb wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:55 pm
Right, but is the concept of "beats" in the Tempo section the same as in the time signature section? And if it is, how do I get a 4ppqn clock which is not awfully slow, given that a maximum of 250bpm would amount to 62.5 quarter notes per minute?
Nah... you're thinking in "sequencer clocks" but this is thinking in Meter. BPM is not the same as time signature. Ex... If you have 120BPM and a Time Signature of 4|4, then you generate 120 quarter notes in 60 seconds. If your PPQN is 4ppqn in this scenario, you would have 4X120 pulses in 60 seconds.

So... My assumption based on music theory and the layout of this module... If you set the BPM to 120 and the Time Signature to 4|4 and the BEATS/bar to 16... then you will have a super fast stream of 16th notes. (?)(Maybe, maybe not)

250BPM in 4|4 = 250 Quarter Notes per minute. At 4PPQN (aka 16 Beats/bar) you have 1000 clock triggers in 60 seconds.
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Re: Introducing ADDAC403 VC Time Signature Clock Sources

Post by Arneb » Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:02 am

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:04 pm
Nah... you're thinking in "sequencer clocks" but this is thinking in Meter. BPM is not the same as time signature. Ex... If you have 120BPM and a Time Signature of 4|4, then you generate 120 quarter notes in 60 seconds. If your PPQN is 4ppqn in this scenario, you would have 4X120 pulses in 60 seconds.

So... My assumption based on music theory and the layout of this module... If you set the BPM to 120 and the Time Signature to 4|4 and the BEATS/bar to 16... then you will have a super fast stream of 16th notes.

250BPM in 4|4 = 250 Quarter Notes per minute. At 4PPQN (aka 16 Beats/bar) you have 1000 clock triggers in 60 seconds.
The problem is that, as far as I can tell from the manual, those two bolded notions aren't distinct in the ADDAC403 - a time signature of 4/4 means Beats/Bar=4 and Beat Unit=4, and thus a 1ppqn Beats output. This is also reflected in the 5/4 time signature example on page 3.

From a music theory vantage point, I'd guess that the idea is to use ADDAC403 with an external clock multiplier. However, clock multipliers don't work all that well in the real world. They glitch when the input tempo changes, which I'm afraid would take the fun out of ADDAC403's metric modulation CV inputs (pun intended).

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Re: Introducing ADDAC403 VC Time Signature Clock Sources

Post by soundslikejoe » Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:32 am

Arneb wrote:
Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:02 am

The problem is that, as far as I can tell from the manual, those two bolded notions aren't distinct in the ADDAC403 - a time signature of 4/4 means Beats/Bar=4 and Beat Unit=4, and thus a 1ppqn Beats output. This is also reflected in the 5/4 time signature example on page 3.

From a music theory vantage point, I'd guess that the idea is to use ADDAC403 with an external clock multiplier. However, clock multipliers don't work all that well in the real world. They glitch when the input tempo changes, which I'm afraid would take the fun out of ADDAC403's metric modulation CV inputs (pun intended).
I can see that pov... could be. If so, Digital Clocks would definitely suffer (Tempi and Pams) but QCD would work well. It doesn't suffer the same glitching in calculation of Mutl/Div that I've experienced with digital clocks. My plan was always to use this with QCD, and keeping the 403 to handle the barline resets for odd meter work. So....
:omg:

The question I've had is does the unit treat 6/8 (or other compound meter) as having 6 beats, or two beats (as is traditional feel in classical music). Seems that the unit would program all Simple meters, and the use the Tuplet outputs to create Compound meters (6|8, 9|8, 12|8)

Guess we'll just have to see.

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Re: Introducing ADDAC403 VC Time Signature Clock Sources

Post by Arneb » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:52 am

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Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:32 am
I can see that pov... could be. If so, Digital Clocks would definitely suffer (Tempi and Pams) but QCD would work well. It doesn't suffer the same glitching in calculation of Mutl/Div that I've experienced with digital clocks. My plan was always to use this with QCD, and keeping the 403 to handle the barline resets for odd meter work. So....
:omg:
I wonder how SCM holds up in that regard, since they're both from the same maker. (I don't own neither yet, just a Temps Utile which I'm seeking to replace.)

Re the bolded, it should be pointed out that clock division is much easier than clock multiplication.
The question I've had is does the unit treat 6/8 (or other compound meter) as having 6 beats, or two beats (as is traditional feel in classical music). Seems that the unit would program all Simple meters, and the use the Tuplet outputs to create Compound meters (6|8, 9|8, 12|8)
From what it looks like to me in the manual, it's all a bit weirdly named. You have:
- The Beat output, which is feel-agnostic: "6:8" is 6 beats per bar
- The Even and Odd outputs, which at "6:8" give you the beats and offbeats of a 3|4 simple meter
- The Divider output, which does polymetric stuff; in particular, it would give you the beat of a 6|8 compound meter when set to /3
- The Tuplets output, which does polyrhythmic stuff
- The Swing output, which does delayed backbeat stuff

Well, and then I'm also a bit confused about what the difference between the "6:8" and "6:4" settings is, in terms of actual output patterns...

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Re: Introducing ADDAC403 VC Time Signature Clock Sources

Post by soundslikejoe » Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:06 am

Another idea... Use a different master clock, and use the 403 for just Meter based resets, divisions, and manipulations? This would put the multiplied clocks into the other clock source (in my case QCD) and use the 403 for creating Beat:Bar based resets.

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Re: Introducing ADDAC403 VC Time Signature Clock Sources

Post by soundslikejoe » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:35 am

OlivierWah wrote:
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Re: Introducing ADDAC403 VC Time Signature Clock Sources

Post by Alexander Kuznetsov » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:13 am

It's already mid-January and there is still no information.

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Re: Introducing ADDAC403 VC Time Signature Clock Sources

Post by OlivierWah » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:41 pm

I receive the Relabi one week ago so they have some weeks of delay (1 - 2 weeks).

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