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Post by tdutz » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:30 am

I was at an impressionable age when I first heard Puppy and became a fan. They were very original for the time. Yes I agree that Ogre's vocals can be challenging to listen to . . . but listening to many of the Skinny Puppy imitators over the years since has convinced me how unique his voice really is. No other singer can match it. Apparently he has polyps growing on his vocal chords that contribute to his vocal character.

Another thing I realized after years of listening is that musically speaking Skinny Puppy's sound is almost entirely made up of rhythm and sound design. There are very few elements of melody and harmony. Not a criticism, just an observation.

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Post by noobyscooby » Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:36 am

It was very interesting at the time and I liked the first few records but I was kinda done after Rabies. I was kinda done with EBM/"Industrial" period, by then. It was getting too rock and roll-y for me by then and I kinda just kept my old TG, Coil, Cab Volt, NWW records around after that as far as what I enjoy as Industrial music.

Listening to those early Puppy albums is a bit hard now though. Just processed with a lot of what would be now termed to be bad outboard gear that was new at the time. But thats mostly anything for me that was overprocessed and compressed in the mid80s to mid90s. Like a lot of old idm and ambient that i liked in the early 90s and revisited is very hard to listen to now even though i loved them when they were brand new. It just sounds dated.

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Post by dogoftears » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:52 pm

i decided to compile a list of skuppy tracks from various eras that I think sound "modern" still:

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Post by cyclopeatron » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:39 am

First of all, I echo sentiments that the OP is pretty corny negative stuff that doesn't belong here... "I'm not trying to flame fans of this band... but the band you like sucks and I don't know why anyone likes them." Totally pretentious and posing. LOL.

On topic... I've actually been surprised SP doesn't get more love in discussions of important electronic music. Although I don't necessarily like all of their stuff, they've always struck me as clear trailblazers.

Think about it... Remission came out in 1984. That's really early for this kind of music. I can't think of anything similar from that time. That's a pretty novel combo of reverb and delay drench Roland drum machine sound, growling effected vocals, samples, dark bass sequences covered by ethereal synth lines. Even some FM sounds. Very cool, new stuff. Remission is still one of my favorite records.

Other bands people are comparing SP to, like NIN and Ministry, were more like late 80s and 90s. And IMO didn't show the same degree of innovation. Front 242 was around in the early 80s, but were more like dance music at that point.

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Post by Johnisfaster » Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:07 pm

Every single time I listen to them I end up wondering what Kevins voice actually sounds like without effects on it. I have trouble picturing exactly what it would sound like to hear him recording tracks. I imagine it kinda sounds funny.
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Post by mt3 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:35 pm

Johnisfaster wrote:Every single time I listen to them I end up wondering what Kevins voice actually sounds like without effects on it. I have trouble picturing exactly what it would sound like to hear him recording tracks. I imagine it kinda sounds funny.
I believe Cevin said Ogre's vocals are pretty much untreated. You can see/hear it in live vids. This is a great one.

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Post by dogoftears » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:03 pm

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Johnisfaster wrote:Every single time I listen to them I end up wondering what Kevins voice actually sounds like without effects on it. I have trouble picturing exactly what it would sound like to hear him recording tracks. I imagine it kinda sounds funny.
I believe Cevin said Ogre's vocals are pretty much untreated. You can see/hear it in live vids. This is a great one.

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edit: sorry, that's a dif vid then i said below.
but i still think he's using the distortion.

no, he's using the distortion in the AIDY set for sure... (and yes that video rules. my fave is DDTH tho)... he's also using a digital delay, which he tweeks himself at a couple different points in the set.
but a lot of the recent reboot SP albums have dry ogre, as well as the "Ohgr" records.
he can easily imitate his distorted vocal it seems.
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Post by proteus-ix » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:02 pm

richardm123uk wrote:I love music but at the end of the day it's all just a bunch a people perpetuating an image through singing, dancing and trying to look good on stage.
"just perpetuating an image"... says the guy who shitposts about a band who did a lot more than that.

This is why you don't like Skinny Puppy. It doesn't fit the image you have of yourself. It's not Boyd Rice enough for you.

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Post by proteus-ix » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:11 pm

rico loverde wrote:does anyone know what they used gear wise for Too Dark Park? That album still blows me away and Ive listened to it thousands of times. I still have a hard time figuring out what was done.
In so many cases all these guys, including Reznor who gets treated like he's just a pop diva, were processing things through other things, so often the resulting sound was something even they might (probably) won't remember how it was done. There are gear lists out there, but what's more important is that they wrote good songs, then pushed their sound design beyond just making cool patches, and had enough studio skills to make it all work.

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Post by dogoftears » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:17 pm

rico loverde wrote:does anyone know what they used gear wise for Too Dark Park? That album still blows me away and Ive listened to it thousands of times. I still have a hard time figuring out what was done.
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Post by kisielk » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:45 pm

There was a recent episode of local music TV show "The Creators TV" that interviewed Bill Leeb and had a few interesting tidbits about the origins of Skinny Puppy and industrial music in Vancouver:

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Post by brianobush » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:23 pm

ack! Blocked in my country ... because we have a silly president?

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Post by MindMachine » Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:52 am

^ No doubt why!

I was always partial to this one (although not Skinny Puppy):

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Post by mt3 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:54 pm

Download and Cevin Key were gateways to Skinny Puppy.

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Post by jinzae » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:01 pm

that is some dark sh--, the underlying sounds and structure are interesting.
But, damn! A knife onstage?

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Post by mt3 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:04 pm

jinzae wrote:But, damn! A knife onstage?
Don't worry. It's CGI.

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Post by brianobush » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:03 pm

mt3 wrote:
jinzae wrote:But, damn! A knife onstage?
Don't worry. It's CGI.
Don't worry. It's a prop.

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Post by mt3 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:34 am

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jinzae wrote:But, damn! A knife onstage?
Don't worry. It's CGI.
Don't worry. It's a prop.
Shhhhh!!! Avoid mentioning GG Allin. Lines of reality get blurry quick around these parts...

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Post by gruebleengourd » Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:52 pm

I think they're a pretty interesting band due to their unusual combination of extreme silliness and tragedy.

Taking them too seriously is a pretty immature/ 'adolescent' perspective - but it seems likely one that they themselves assumed at least some of them some of the time. Just consider their name. Or watch any of the videos of them jamming in their studio. Plain goofy. And that's fine.

Kinda like 'industrial music' in general, particularly the disco styles that SP innovated and the pseudo political stuff. Very few 'industrial' bands escape those traps, coil, zoviet france, and maybe nurse with wound are perhaps the most famous examples.

but for punky electro noisy annoy/scare your parents music for teenagers and the teenaged at heart, SP is pretty great.

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Post by proteus-ix » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:13 am

kisielk wrote:There was a recent episode of local music TV show "The Creators TV" that interviewed Bill Leeb and had a few interesting tidbits about the origins of Skinny Puppy and industrial music in Vancouver:

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Blocked in the US. :bang:

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Post by proteus-ix » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:20 am

gruebleengourd wrote: Kinda like 'industrial music' in general, particularly the disco styles that SP innovated and the pseudo political stuff. Very few 'industrial' bands escape those traps, coil, ZOVIET france, and maybe nurse with wound are perhaps the most famous examples.
Uh... that might be political...

But for that matter, being any kind of artist is inherently political in a society that says artists don't matter.

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Post by brianobush » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:10 pm

proteus-ix wrote:
Blocked in the US. :bang:
View through a Youtube proxy. I used https://www.proxysite.com/youtube/

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Post by gruebleengourd » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:30 pm

proteus-ix wrote:
gruebleengourd wrote: Kinda like 'industrial music' in general, particularly the disco styles that SP innovated and the pseudo political stuff. Very few 'industrial' bands escape those traps, coil, ZOVIET france, and maybe nurse with wound are perhaps the most famous examples.
Uh... that might be political...
You mean the name zoviet france might be political? maybe the name, but not so much posturing in the music.

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Post by proteus-ix » Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:39 pm

gruebleengourd wrote:
proteus-ix wrote:
gruebleengourd wrote: Kinda like 'industrial music' in general, particularly the disco styles that SP innovated and the pseudo political stuff. Very few 'industrial' bands escape those traps, coil, ZOVIET france, and maybe nurse with wound are perhaps the most famous examples.
Uh... that might be political...
You mean the name zoviet france might be political? maybe the name, but not so much posturing in the music.
Might be? Yeah ok.

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Post by gruebleengourd » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:02 am

proteus-ix wrote: Might be? Yeah ok.
To continue droning on about Zoviet France.
Yeah maybe. Especially if you consider the entire trajectory of their career. The initial naming and early releases certainly had an element of cynical humor regarding politics and the industrial scene, but even then there was not overt sloganeering or ideological behavior, especially if you compared them with say test department and psychic tv, for example, or even skinny puppy and cabaret voltaire.

Later work not even so much. Maybe a joke at the expense of those in the scene that bicker on about such things.

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