How to retrigger notes with the MS-812

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How to retrigger notes with the MS-812

Post by akrylik » Fri May 04, 2012 11:05 pm

I looked through the manual like 3 times and all the options in the CopperLan Manager (Editor section) but I don't see how to get the MS-812 to retrigger the gate when notes are overlapping?

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Re: How to retrigger notes with the MS-812

Post by AlyseumSupport » Wed May 09, 2012 3:18 am

akrylik wrote:I looked through the manual like 3 times and all the options in the CopperLan Manager (Editor section) but I don't see how to get the MS-812 to retrigger the gate when notes are overlapping?
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You can enjoy the retrigger feature as long as you have envelope generators with a trigger input (in addition to their gate input), such as the Doepfer A-140.
How to proceed in the MS-812:
assign up to 6 voices of polyphony (or 6 mono or anything in between)
- set the first 6 digital outs as gates
- set the next 6 digital outs as triggers
- connect to envelope generators with gate and trigger jacks.


When generating only gate signals, the retrigger vs non-retrigger behavior is implicit when the source sends CopperLan messages.
When the source is MIDI, this behavior is depending on the choice of implementation in the message receiver (the MS-812).
Currently the gate signal is non-retriggered.
In the next update, we will add a parameter in each section to select between these two behaviors.
This will allow playing with retrigger on envelope generators that lack a dedicated trigger input.

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Post by akrylik » Wed May 09, 2012 4:16 am

Thanks for the info, AlyseumSupport!

I think having the gate signal re-trigger is definitely the preferred solution because the current solution is quite wasteful with the digital outputs but I am glad there is at least a way to proceed in the current state.

Great module by the way.

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Post by akrylik » Sat May 12, 2012 5:40 am

So I tried what you suggested and it turns out that the MS-812 doesn't respond to a trigger while another note is being held.

1) I set up one mono pitch to CV 1 and mono trigger to digital 1 and mono gate to digital 2.
2) I press and hold one note and I see the trigger flash on digital 1 and the gate remains high on digital 2.
3) While keeping the previous note held, I press another note on my keyboard. CV 1 tracks the pitch but no trigger on digital 1.

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Post by AlyseumSupport » Mon May 14, 2012 7:00 am

akrylik wrote:So I tried what you suggested and it turns out that the MS-812 doesn't respond to a trigger while another note is being held.
It seems that you are the first one to have found a bug. Thank you. :tu:
As said previously. we planned an update anyway.
This correction will be included.

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Post by akrylik » Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:46 am

Hi Alyseum Support

I was just wondering when we can expect the above mentioned update?

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Post by AlyseumSupport » Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:27 pm

akrylik wrote: I was just wondering when we can expect the above mentioned update?
It will be available with a set of new features after the holidays.
All MS-812 can be upgraded via the network without disassembling.

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Post by AlyseumSupport » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:51 pm

The promised update is now available.
See in Alyseum's announcement section.

Thank you again for your kind patience :zen:

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Post by sylvainmoreau » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:03 am

Hi,

i just received my 812 today.
i'm also looking for the retrig but the only settings i see on the
manager / EDIT / MS-812 / Digi jacks / Jack control / Digi 1 role =
Mono 1 Comparator
Mono 1 Selector X
Mono 1 gate
Mono 1 trigger

am i looking at the right place ? i can't find the retrigger info in the manual.
also as it is a recent unit is the firmware updated or maybe i have to do that and that's why i don't see retriggers ? mine says"0127" is it 0,127 or 1,27 ? and i see it 1.1now in this post ? not clear.

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Post by sylvainmoreau » Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:42 am

oooh sorry i didn't understood the first answer to this post.
i've used a kenton where this feature only requires a gate..
they call it retrigger because on new coming note they do a short note off.
02 Multiple trigger (default: on)
Range on [on] / off [of]
- If set to on (multiple trigger mode), a new valid note will briefly turn off the gate to retrigger the envelope generators of the mono-synth. If turned off (normal trigger mode), the gate stays on when a new note is played.
this worked for me with my dotcom Q109.
now i realise i can't use this enveloppe because it doesn't have a retrigg input :p

any chance you add a similar feature in upcoming update ?

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