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Post by Soy Sos » Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:58 am

INSANE!!
I grabbed it, not sure what I'll do with it,
but just wanted to thanks you!

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Post by Tooths » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:58 am

THANKS :tu: :tu:

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Post by Fastus » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:39 am

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Post by Just me » Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:14 pm

Can you just pm the file as an attachment? I can't dl from that link. Looks like a great resource!
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Post by Refund » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:33 pm

Just me wrote:Can you just pm the file as an attachment? I can't dl from that link. Looks like a great resource!
done!

the link is still working just fine for me, but if anyone else is having troubles I can PM the file to you.

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Post by CJ Miller » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:50 pm

I appreciate the effort, but it's just confusing for me. How do the Roman numerals explain what frequencies they are? What are the patterns of 24 blocks on the bottom 2/3 of each page? I feel like I have been handed a cypher to which it is expected I already know the key to decode it.

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Post by Refund » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:59 am

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the bottom of the page is a repeating octave of the keyboard, think of the top row as the black keys, the bottom row as the white keys, then look at a keyboard and it should make sense.

The roman numerals are the 'scale degree' that each note takes up within the scale.

So if you you wanted to play the diatonic scale, in DORIAN mode (II/2nd degree of the diatonic scale) you could pick any diatonic scale key (so you know which notes to play) and then make all the phrases resolve/end on the II/2nd degree note within that scale.

also, the chords that are written for each scale degree are using the jazz standard system of chord notation, that's why there are triangles/degrees/pluses/minuses in the chord listings, it saves a lot of space.

Indian scales have a traditional drone chord, and also a few different notes that they emphasize or resolve on, called the Vadi (main resting notes) and Samvadi (secondary resting notes) they also have notes that are only played while ascending in pitch (arohana) and descending in pitch (avarohana) but there is rarely any instances where this is actually used.

I also included all the scale degrees for the pentatonic pelog scale since they're all derived from the same master scale anyway (obviously the listed version is a bastardised equal tempered version of pelog and not the legit microtonal traditional variations)

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Post by CJ Miller » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:39 am

Ok... That gives me some concepts to read about, although it does strike me as being all rather obscure.

Playing in different scales, wouldn't any given key for a note in "equal temperament" be expected to yield a different note, at a different frequency? It feels like this is very non-native, like only understanding a relationship by supposing that it is something else.

Anyway, don't take my perplexity as criticism, these are only observations. Thank you for your explanation.

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Post by Just me » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:10 am

Thanks! That is an amazing job of work. Will print it out and give some new modes a try.
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Post by Yeggman » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:42 pm

thanks Refund! Very cool and useful.

here's a table I've been referencing while working on some scale-based Max patches. This is theoretically all the prime forms of all available unique pitch class sets. Scales which are the inverse or retrograde of another scale are subsumed under the related scale, but they've made distinctions where musically appropriate (traditional serialism collapses some harmonies together, ie major and minor are actually treated as the same formula).

I haven't cross-referenced yet it with what you've done or anything, but you may find it interesting. The approach they take is from serialism, so it might be different from how you were looking at things.

http://solomonsmusic.net/pcsets.htm

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Post by Riggar » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:28 am

Ah! and broken link here too - walking my way thru the muffwigs articles!

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Post by Refund » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:19 am

I've reuploaded it here, and updated the original post:

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ltf38c

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Post by J KAY » Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:52 am

Thanks for this

very kind of you :hail:

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Post by razzmtazz266 » Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:26 am

great!

sort of on topic you should check this out just for fun


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Post by travis_blitzen » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:43 pm

This is great! Thank you for your effort and generosity.

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Post by thx2112 » Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:20 am

Wow. Thanks!

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Post by pannikel » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:25 am

Hey Refund - thanks for such a useful compact assemblage. This reference with a table of talas on the end for the elements of beat + you'd be set for the desert island :tu:

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Post by Paul Aner » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:29 pm

This is great stuff, thanks a lot for your effort!

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Post by Refund » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:34 pm

thanks again everyone, it's nice to know that this old thing is still proving useful to a lot of people.

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Post by rakshas » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:54 pm

Thanks! You may add other basic Thaats/Raags of Indian Classical Music.

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Post by Subtenant » Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:47 am

Thank u very much. Love this.

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Post by gimber » Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:58 pm

Any chance for a re-upload of this? Looks great!

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Post by m03 » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:47 am

gimber wrote:Any chance for a re-upload of this? Looks great!
Alternately, if anyone who downloaded it sees this and has the time/inclination, please upload it somewhere and put a link in the thread.

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Post by Refund » Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:44 pm

reuploaded and edited the original post

https://www.sendspace.com/file/47cft3

if anyone knows of a more permanent solution to sendspace, I'm all ears

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Post by gimber » Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:19 pm

Thanks! :bananaguitar:

This site looks promising, though I've never used it before. Uploads are temporarily disabled though.

https://pdf.yt

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