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Expert sleepers latency

Post by SmokyClap » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:19 pm

I just started using an es-3 and I love it but I’m getting some pretty noticeable latency when I send audio out of the es-3 through my modules and then back into my interface.

It easy to fix once the audio is recorded but it’s still annoying and I’m wondering if anyone knows a way to fix this.

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Post by listentoaheartbeat » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:06 am

If you are using Ableton Live, you can use the External Audio Effect for automatic latency compensation. Instead of sending the track outputs to the ES-3, you insert an External Audio Effect. Audio To is set to the ES-3, sending the CV/gates/clock/audio to the modular. Audio From is set to the inputs from your modular, getting your modular output signal back. Live compensates for the round trip latency, and if you record the track output on another Audio Track, everything will nicely lock to the grid.

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Post by SmokyClap » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:17 pm

GuyaGuy wrote:Probably wanna check here
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=35

Thanks

I briefly looked through this after I posted in here and didn’t find anything. Normally I’d use the search function but it went kaputz after the site was down it seems.

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Post by nostalghia » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:40 pm

SmokyClap wrote:Normally I’d use the search function but it went kaputz after the site was down it seems.
Use Google and add site:(name of site) after your search terms, for example:
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Post by SmokyClap » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:53 pm

listentoaheartbeat wrote:If you are using Ableton Live, you can use the External Audio Effect for automatic latency compensation. Instead of sending the track outputs to the ES-3, you insert an External Audio Effect. Audio To is set to the ES-3, sending the CV/gates/clock/audio to the modular. Audio From is set to the inputs from your modular, getting your modular output signal back. Live compensates for the round trip latency, and if you record the track output on another Audio Track, everything will nicely lock to the grid.
Thanks a lot for your help. I’ve always been a little lost on the topic of latency as I never had to deal with it. I appreciate you’re help.

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Post by tross » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:40 pm

listentoaheartbeat wrote:If you are using Ableton Live, you can use the External Audio Effect for automatic latency compensation. Instead of sending the track outputs to the ES-3, you insert an External Audio Effect. Audio To is set to the ES-3, sending the CV/gates/clock/audio to the modular. Audio From is set to the inputs from your modular, getting your modular output signal back. Live compensates for the round trip latency, and if you record the track output on another Audio Track, everything will nicely lock to the grid.
Thats great, but doesn't it works only when you recording with monitor off, and when you monitoring in is on, signal still plays with latency?

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Post by listentoaheartbeat » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:04 am

tross wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:If you are using Ableton Live, you can use the External Audio Effect for automatic latency compensation. Instead of sending the track outputs to the ES-3, you insert an External Audio Effect. Audio To is set to the ES-3, sending the CV/gates/clock/audio to the modular. Audio From is set to the inputs from your modular, getting your modular output signal back. Live compensates for the round trip latency, and if you record the track output on another Audio Track, everything will nicely lock to the grid.
Thats great, but doesn't it works only when you recording with monitor off, and when you monitoring in is on, signal still plays with latency?
You need to insert the External Audio Effect after e.g. the Silent Way plug-ins and set the routing as explained above. The signal from the modular comes in via the External Audio Effect, which means it is now available as the output of the track hosting the Silent Way plug-ins, no track monitoring required. If you want to record the signal, just use another Audio Track and set the track hosting the Silent Way plug-ins as the input source.

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Post by tross » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:45 pm

listentoaheartbeat wrote:
tross wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:The signal from the modular comes in via the External Audio Effect, which means it is now available as the output of the track hosting the Silent Way plug-ins, no track monitoring required. If you want to record the signal, just use another Audio Track and set the track hosting the Silent Way plug-ins as the input source.
What do you mean by signal from modular, you are talking about audio signal i guess? The signal from modulat can come only from the one of audio ins of soundcard. If i put it in Audio From of External Audio device everything start blinking and behaving wierdly

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tross wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:Audio From is set to the inputs from your modular
What inputs are you talking about?

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Post by listentoaheartbeat » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:00 pm

tross wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:The signal from the modular comes in via the External Audio Effect, which means it is now available as the output of the track hosting the Silent Way plug-ins, no track monitoring required. If you want to record the signal, just use another Audio Track and set the track hosting the Silent Way plug-ins as the input source.
What do you mean by signal from modular, you are talking about audio signal i guess? The signal from modulat can come only from the one of audio ins of soundcard. If i put it in Audio From of External Audio device everything start blinking and behaving wierdly
Then you are probably still sending the track output to the modular, effectively routing the audio to the CV and gate inputs in a feedback loop. The track output should go to the master as it now carries the audio from the modular (via the External Audio Effect).
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listentoaheartbeat wrote:Audio From is set to the inputs from your modular
What inputs are you talking about?
The inputs of your audio interface that are receiving the audio from the modular.

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Post by tross » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:18 pm

listentoaheartbeat
Ok, thank you. I tried it and it worked. But still i can use only 2 channels right?

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Post by listentoaheartbeat » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:45 am

Two channels per track, but of course you can do this on multiple tracks, depending on how many outputs your ES hardware has.

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Post by robertsc » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:24 pm

listentoaheartbeat wrote:If you are using Ableton Live, you can use the External Audio Effect for automatic latency compensation. Instead of sending the track outputs to the ES-3, you insert an External Audio Effect. Audio To is set to the ES-3, sending the CV/gates/clock/audio to the modular. Audio From is set to the inputs from your modular, getting your modular output signal back. Live compensates for the round trip latency, and if you record the track output on another Audio Track, everything will nicely lock to the grid.
Thanks. This is why we need new videos, or just better step by step documentation on SW, the ES hardware, and DAW integration. The videos from 2010 really don't help.

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Post by SEDur89 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:04 am

Sorry to awaken the dead, but I am too much if a lurker to have enough posts to make a new topic.

I am interested in getting an ES-8 as it is DC coupled, good for euro etc. It would also be really useful to use this interface for DC coupled measurements and other less-musical work.

Has anyone measured the consistency of the latency?
Having previously used cards such as RME which have a very consistent latency, it would be good to know that this thing doesn't suffer too much from changing latency.

Cheers

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Post by criticalmonkey » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:25 am

latency is not an issue with the es-8 for me
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pretty much on par with all newer usb interfaces i've used

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Post by ultraherb » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:31 am

I know this is an old thread, but it's been very helpful. I do have a question:

I have my ES-3 (Live 10.1) set up with an external effect the way listentoaheartbeat suggested. Everything works perfectly until I go to record the audio.

Nothing gets recorded.

The workaround I've been using is to record the audio through re-sampling the master out. It works, but it doesn't seem like the most elegant solution. I'd be very grateful for any help!

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Post by Oldstench » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:17 am

ultraherb wrote:I know this is an old thread, but it's been very helpful. I do have a question:

I have my ES-3 (Live 10.1) set up with an external effect the way listentoaheartbeat suggested. Everything works perfectly until I go to record the audio.

Nothing gets recorded.

The workaround I've been using is to record the audio through re-sampling the master out. It works, but it doesn't seem like the most elegant solution. I'd be very grateful for any help!
Create another audio track with the input set to whatever channel your modular is plugged into. Set monitor to off since you're likely monitoring on the external instrument channel. Record arm the new channel and start recording. You'll have audio recorded on the new channel.
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