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Post by Panason » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:48 pm

i'm working for a small dance label, i can put ep out there, which is a huge priveledge to me.
Yep, that's a lot more than what most people have...

You don't have to work like a machine pumping out music!

Finishing tracks is technical, not fun, boring, too much like work... Having to listen to your own tune over and over can really kill it!

I'm not often motivated to get a track to the point where it can be sent off for mastering because I know that the chance of it getting anywhere are near zero, regardless of how good it is. I have connections with producers, promoters and labels but I just can't be bothered to play the networking/ ass kissing game .

When I decided to get back into music making, the plan was to create a live act, ideally using only hardware. But, to get to play out I have to be able to show people examples of my work, so the need to finish tracks and put them out there isn't going away.
Then I remembered what it was like to do live sets: underpaid for the amount of effort required, and the risk to the equipment, having to deal with jealous DJs (who get paid just as much or more) and asshole promoters on coke, etc etc. Yeah I love doing this but I don't love it SO much... especially knowing that 90% of the audience doesn't care about how live a "live set" is!

So I just decided to stop worrying about any of that shit and just make the tunes that I want to make, and think about exposure later when I have more than a handful of nearly finished tracks.

I don't care for the modern-day disposable nature of dance music, the push for quantity over quality, the supposed need to be constantly posting on social media because the audience has very short attention span. They can fuck off!

Not being driven by ego needs is important for the soul and spirit, IMO, but probably won't make you famous!

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Post by slumberjack » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:05 pm

anybody know this feeling: when you're at the studio putting together a few tracks, building the foundation of a new composition/song and you got this overwhelming feeling like 'now after years of work, finally i wrote the hit?

i mean the energy that comes with this is good, it helps finish stuff to a point where the mixdown and minor changes are the only thing to do. then you listen to the tune for a couple of weeks until it starts to fade and you feel embarassed about yourself fallen again in the hit-trap?

you know there's this modern deep (minimal) house label called 'delusions of grandeur'. so i cannot be the only one... ;)

btw. the small label i'm on is really small, there are not more than 250 plays on sc for the title track of my ep, released two years ago. but no problem i feel comfortable with the guy who's running it, he's a friend to share not only music and stuff but time.
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Post by mousegarden » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:40 am

slumberjack wrote:anybody know this feeling: when you're at the studio putting together a few tracks, building the foundation of a new composition/song and you got this overwhelming feeling like 'now after years of work, finally i wrote the hit?

i mean the energy that comes with this is good, it helps finish stuff to a point where the mixdown and minor changes are the only thing to do pretty good. then you listen to the tune for a couple of weeks until it starts to fade and you feel embarassed about yourself fallen again in the hit-trap?

you know there's this modern deep (minimal) house label called 'delusions of grandeur'. i cannot be the only one... ;)

btw. the small label i'm on is really small, there are not more than 250 plays on sc for the title track of my ep, released two years ago. but no problem i feel comfortable with the guy who's running it, he's a friend to share not only music and stuff but time.
This feeling you talk about? I think, I've had it twice in my entire life.
The thing is, when I'm in the studio doing this supposedly brilliant track, I'm never aware that anything extraordinary is happening. It's only after the event, weeks probably, that it stands out as being a bit special.
I'm also on a very small label, and like you, just enjoy being with a like minded friend making music and spending time.

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Post by felixer » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:07 pm

well, i just make things. sometimes alone sometimes with others. whatever is good (to my subjective mind) gets released. not thru a label but it is made public. then it is out of my hands. some like it, some don't ... that is about all there is to it. the fun comes years later when i hear something i did. 'how the hell did i do that?' and thoughts like that come up ... most of it i still like, although my taste has moved quite a bit ...
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Post by RhythmDroid » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:40 pm

Panason wrote:
When I decided to get back into music making, the plan was to create a live act, ideally using only hardware. But, to get to play out I have to be able to show people examples of my work, so the need to finish tracks and put them out there isn't going away.
I am in the same boat, friend.

I use to ignore this fact of life. I used to believe that IF my live set was good enough, people would talk and I'd get the gigs. A successful DJ/producer friend and mentor said that releases are like your business card, they indicate a seriousness, a professionalism, and are, in a way, a form of quality control.

I mean let's face it...unless you're in a small town and everyone including the event organizer's got extra disposable income, then renting a venue, paying a soundguy, paying DJs, hiring a soundsystem, etc...all those things cost money and involve risk of not getting your money back in the form of a paying audience. If you're an event organizer/club owner, you don't want to book someone who is going to kill your dancefloor and send people to another venue. Makes sense to me, brutal as it is. I think if a club owner/event organizer sees a reputable label next to your name, they can safely assume you aren't going to blow it during your time slot.

I'm all ears, though, I'd actually like to be proven wrong!
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Post by slumberjack » Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:08 pm

felixer wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:07 pm
well, i just make things. sometimes alone sometimes with others. whatever is good (to my subjective mind) gets released. not thru a label but it is made public. then it is out of my hands. some like it, some don't ... that is about all there is to it. the fun comes years later when i hear something i did. 'how the hell did i do that?' and thoughts like that come up ... most of it i still like, although my taste has moved quite a bit ...
it all settled down in meanwhile for me as i got somehow more to a state where i can focus on the essence: being creative is a meditation and a wormhole to other parts of reality for me (and ever was - but my ego and shadows like to take over things - especially if they laid out as bare and honest as inner processes turned into artwork). i could even transform into that state of mind on stage often during this year. for me it has a lot to do with acceptance and a 'shake it all of and embrace at the same moment' attitude.

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Re: to compose vs. to release

Post by Jfalconcrest » Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:49 am

FWIW, I have been publishing albums in a small but dedidcated indie rap circle for 15 years and have some thoughts on creating vs. publishing. First off, creating is something most people can do, with joy, in any way they choose. 4 am beat sessions, long freestyle jams on stages, lunchbox jams on the train, picking the acoustic on the porch. Even writing songs can be theraputic and not too difficult to start doing.

PUBLISHING on the other hand, is technical, somewhat costly, in either time or money (ive gone both ways) and often a PAITA to get even close to right. If you are lucky enough to have a label supporting what you do, that is truly fortunate and can eliminate up to 75% of the hassle. Without a label, going 100% DIY is going to be the opposite of theraputic at times. There are a TON of considerations, from art resizing to google metrics that are likely not something you know already, and might not have a passion for learning the way you do with music. Publishing, unlike music making will almost always carry frustrations, and if you want it done right, some amount of $ spent on “invisible” things, things that dont help you MAKE music, like a website of distrokid expenses.

HOWEVER. Publishing has an entirely different, and I would argue, More Tangible set of rewards, even if you never make any money. Today was the 10 year anniversary of my first “real” published work. The small community I am a part of was celebrating and reminiscing on the effect of that album on the community, people that met because of it, summers in which it played a part of the soundtrack to falling in love, folks who were inspired by the style, even a few people who got tattoos related to the work I put out. Seeing how that small stone rippled the surface of the water was something that will make my heart glad for a long time. This is something that can happen from the effort of Publishing. It isn’t for everyone, and requires a tenaciousness and dedication that some cant make time for. The Rewards (even when no $$$ is made) can be incredible.

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