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Post by Futuresound » Thu May 30, 2019 4:40 pm

I'll have to check the Waves Scheps out. I've been eying the Sonimus Satson channel strip, but the Waves does seem a bit more flexible.

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Post by xenosapien » Fri May 31, 2019 2:59 am

dubonaire wrote:I recently got the Waves Scheps Omni Channel and it's basically the only thing I use now, FX aside. How do I use it? Either direct on a channel or parallel processing and more often than not I just find an appropriate preset, and then maybe tweak that a bit. It's very cleverly designed for someone like me who is not an expert. It is easy to do mid/side processing and there is a focus button which highlights the key controls for particular presets. So the Omni Channel is helping me learn as well.

I find Klanghelm MJUC to be really good for me on the drum bus but at the moment I'm preferring using the Omni Channel.

Around the same time I picked up Echoboy and it does have the mojo everyone raves about.
good call - the Scheps OC is the last (and first in a while) VST I bought, and it immediately got used on every track.

it does a bit 'better' on traditional recorded material than synthetics I feel, but maybe it´s just more noticeable on that.

but maaaan those dual de-essers are a live saver for annoying cymbal ring etc. - and the saturation and comp are just easy to use and pretty much always sound good to me.
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Post by dubonaire » Fri May 31, 2019 3:31 am

xenosapien wrote:it does a bit 'better' on traditional recorded material than synthetics I feel, but maybe it´s just more noticeable on that.
Probably true and that's probably a lot to do with its designer, but I'm gradually finding good settings for synthetics, although I'm beginning to think synthetics need less treatment anyway. Another thing I'm going through at the moment is spending more time getting the source right and less focus on the processing. Actually I think the Omni Channel is helping me be a bit more subtle.

And yes I find the saturation actually works like saturation and not an exaggerated effect and the choice of harmonics is really useful.

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Post by BailyDread » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:57 am

lately i've been having a lot of success with putting saturation before reverb on aux sends. usually ill use the UAD culture vulture plugin and dial in a really nasty sounding distortion, but then put a plate emulation after. once you get the gain stages all set up nicely it really gives a more dynamic feel to the verb -- rather than spikes in volume feeding splashes of verb, the peaks correspond to increase in saturation that then feeds the verb with more high freq source material.

try it out, i almost never use plate or spring verbs without it now

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Post by Soy Sos » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:23 am

Yes to that! Saturation, EQ, high + low pass filtering (modulated), compression in different order before reverb is so good!

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Post by Johnisfaster » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:51 am

Jarvus wrote:Actually find running non modular sounds, like a polysynth or acoustic instruments etc, into the modular and using its filters env vcas to shape the sound really works for me. Subtle amounts of colour added here and there.
Lately my favorite thing to do is run anything through my euro rigs vca's. It's amazing how interesting simple things get when volume of synth sounds aren't tied to note on off.
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Post by rustedimac » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:02 am

Culture Vulture is sooooooo f-ing good. You can put any signal in, and it'll make it ten folds better. The range of what it can do is simply outrageous: from adding subtle tube warmth to gonna-destroy-them-all tube distortion. Similarly, Soundtoys Decapitator in the software realm.
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Post by BailyDread » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:50 am

Never heard the hardware version, but I love the Culture Vulture plugin from UAD :hihi:

its terrific for putting before a 100% wet plate/spring reverb plugin aux send, really helps to tame the signal and impart some excitement in the freq spectrum

the Black Box from PluginAlliance is also terrific, but sounds quite different from the Culture Vulture. I'd say it's more of a mastering type effect whereas the CV is more versatile.

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Post by 3hands » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:05 pm

Old Allen & Heath consoles have incredible preamps and EQs. I use that, combined with an old beat to shit Drawmer LX20, and man... it’s killer for bass, or set the LX20 to expander mode, and run an entire drum pattern through it for some serious sonic butchery. Sounds great sitting under the main mic.

Also I use a couple old delays that I sometimes run things through even with effects turned off. They add a nice colour to the sound. Ensoniq DP4 as well.
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Post by Soy Sos » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:31 am

What era and model A&H consoles?
I see older ones popping up from time to time, usually pretty beat and in need of servicing or overhaul.

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Post by MindMachine » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:03 am

Now mounting a Copperphone mic. using a plastic water bottle as megaphone ear for an even more restricted/greater range.

Paper tubes on microphones work great too.
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Post by Faru » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:48 am

Granulator II for max 4 live with any field recording and of course the controls mapped to a controler
so much fun! :)

also not really a secret weapon, but I love the sherman filterbank and Knas Moisturizer, run most of my stuff through it.

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Post by The Grump » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:06 am

Faru wrote:Granulator II for max 4 live with any field recording and of course the controls mapped to a controler
so much fun! :)
Non-field recordings also often qualify in the "Totally does NOT suck" department. Granulator II is even cooler with the Slave, and grabbing stuff live from others, if collaborating. Super sick tool. Good call!

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Post by PhineasFreak » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:03 pm

ive only just discovered abletons eq8 has mid side mode

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Post by naturligfunktion » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:11 am

PhineasFreak wrote:ive only just discovered abletons eq8 has mid side mode

:O
Seriously?? I need to check this out ASAP

:eek:
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Re: Secret weapon processing (plugins/hardware)

Post by Soy Sos » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:45 am

What happened to this thread!?
One of the only areas I'm interested in this forum any more.
Come on people, keep it coming.

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Re: Secret weapon processing (plugins/hardware)

Post by wuff_miggler » Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:12 pm

i feel like using anything in the Soundtoys 5 bundle is like cheating.
What an incredible arsenal of software imo.

Have not been inspired to create using software like i have using ST stuff.

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Re: Secret weapon processing (plugins/hardware)

Post by naturligfunktion » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:26 am

I like Waves stuff. Something I use on every track is the CLA-76 Compressor.

It doesn't add that much, but it do make drums sound pretty good! Also great on acoustic guitars
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Re: Secret weapon processing (plugins/hardware)

Post by Michael O. » Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:49 pm

naturligfunktion wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:26 am
I like Waves stuff. Something I use on every track is the CLA-76 Compressor.

It doesn't add that much, but it do make drums sound pretty good! Also great on acoustic guitars
That’s a weirdly underrated/out of fashion plugin these days. I’ve got a few (hardware) 1176’s of different revisions in the studio, and I still use that plug for lighter-duty utility stuff occasionally and generally enjoy the sound. Not a replacement for an 1176 (obviously you can’t track through it), but a totally usable tool.

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Re: Secret weapon processing (plugins/hardware)

Post by PhineasFreak » Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:26 pm

Michael O. wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:49 pm
naturligfunktion wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:26 am
I like Waves stuff. Something I use on every track is the CLA-76 Compressor.

It doesn't add that much, but it do make drums sound pretty good! Also great on acoustic guitars
That’s a weirdly underrated/out of fashion plugin these days. I’ve got a few (hardware) 1176’s of different revisions in the studio, and I still use that plug for lighter-duty utility stuff occasionally and generally enjoy the sound. Not a replacement for an 1176 (obviously you can’t track through it), but a totally usable tool.
ok, i give in... why cant you track through it?

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Re: Secret weapon processing (plugins/hardware)

Post by Michael O. » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:10 pm

PhineasFreak wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:26 pm
Michael O. wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:49 pm
naturligfunktion wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:26 am
I like Waves stuff. Something I use on every track is the CLA-76 Compressor.

It doesn't add that much, but it do make drums sound pretty good! Also great on acoustic guitars
That’s a weirdly underrated/out of fashion plugin these days. I’ve got a few (hardware) 1176’s of different revisions in the studio, and I still use that plug for lighter-duty utility stuff occasionally and generally enjoy the sound. Not a replacement for an 1176 (obviously you can’t track through it), but a totally usable tool.
ok, i give in... why cant you track through it?
Good question, and the answer is simply because it’s software. In other words, once a signal is recorded (more specifically, converted from an analog signal to a digital one) the tracking process is complete, and any signal processing applied thereafter (either via software or via another conversion loop with hardware patched in) is applied in a separate stage, but not the tracking/recording stage.

The practical upshot of that is simply that one can’t process a signal, in this case compressing it to minimize dynamic range/alter envelope and/or to add coloration, with a plug-in during the tracking stage; it must be applied after the fact. That isn’t to say one couldn’t monitor through the plug-in and then apply it in the same way during the mixing stage, but it would of course not alter the pre-ADC analog signal. I hope that all makes sense, and it may really just come down to a semantic distinction.

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Re: Secret weapon processing (plugins/hardware)

Post by PhineasFreak » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:25 am

Michael O. wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:10 pm
PhineasFreak wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:26 pm
ok, i give in... why cant you track through it?
Good question, and the answer is simply because it’s software. In other words, once a signal is recorded (more specifically, converted from an analog signal to a digital one) the tracking process is complete, and any signal processing applied thereafter (either via software or via another conversion loop with hardware patched in) is applied in a separate stage, but not the tracking/recording stage.

The practical upshot of that is simply that one can’t process a signal, in this case compressing it to minimize dynamic range/alter envelope and/or to add coloration, with a plug-in during the tracking stage; it must be applied after the fact. That isn’t to say one couldn’t monitor through the plug-in and then apply it in the same way during the mixing stage, but it would of course not alter the pre-ADC analog signal. I hope that all makes sense, and it may really just come down to a semantic distinction.
well i'll be damned - i think although i havent quite been using the term 'tracking' wrongly all these years it wasnt because i understood the technical reasons behind the semantic distinction - it just so happened my studio setup meant i was using it right - comedically lucky that i never made a complete fool of myself!

thankyou for helping me do a learn!

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Re: Secret weapon processing (plugins/hardware)

Post by Toowoombaus » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:50 am

Fractal Axe Fx ii. I’m a guitarist who loves effects however many of those effects currently sound cheesy on a guitar. But the Fractal, not just the modeling but especially the effects take synthesizers to a whole other level.

Pitch shifting, delays reverb Chorus flanging phasing all the delay effects, make pads take on a whole new life.
Synth Bass:
the amp modeling adds an intensity that I haven’t found in any plug-in. Also the 25 overdrive and fuzz pedal models work well too.

It’s permanently patched into my system for recording and it does high quality Studio FX that I can’t imagine living without. For plug-ins my favorites are the Soundstoys bundle and recently this week the FX collection from Arturia.

But my secret weapon is definitely the Fractal Axe Fx ii.

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Re: Secret weapon processing (plugins/hardware)

Post by naturligfunktion » Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:19 am

Michael O. wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:49 pm
naturligfunktion wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:26 am
I like Waves stuff. Something I use on every track is the CLA-76 Compressor.

It doesn't add that much, but it do make drums sound pretty good! Also great on acoustic guitars
That’s a weirdly underrated/out of fashion plugin these days. I’ve got a few (hardware) 1176’s of different revisions in the studio, and I still use that plug for lighter-duty utility stuff occasionally and generally enjoy the sound. Not a replacement for an 1176 (obviously you can’t track through it), but a totally usable tool.
I would love to have a hardware version of it, but until that time, I do enjoy the plugin.

Speaking of plugins, any tips for similar compressors that in particular works well with vocals, I am very interested :)
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Re: Secret weapon processing (plugins/hardware)

Post by Soy Sos » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:50 am

My usual fav for vocals, especially lead vocals
is some form of the Teletronix LA2A
I use the Universal Audio stuff, but I wouldn't start in
with that platform just for the plugin, everyone makes one.
Smooth, transparent and solid compression.
It's hard to go wrong with it.

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