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Post by chamomileshark » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:24 am

thanks Dubonaire - that's a step on from what I've been doing so that's helpful.
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Post by dubonaire » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:58 pm

chamomileshark wrote:thanks Dubonaire - that's a step on from what I've been doing so that's helpful.
Hannes Bieger has a few tech tip videos up on you tube and they are all useful.

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Post by Funky40 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:36 pm

dubonaire wrote: This a good tutorial for that.

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This is basically what i meant and exactly what i do (again) since weeks with my modular.

listen the part from 8:54........but especially. -its quite subtle-, listen at 9:38 and the seconds afterwards.
at 9:38 kicks something more in.


a good thing is to create Ghost notes this way and to be aware that notes which are barely audible can be very important for the whole groove.
Its an art initself to work this way.
But the nice thing is: its doable just by feel !
you don´t need to know much.


The new Valhalla Delay is btw. a nice and multifunctional tool along this lines
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Post by Llouwelyn » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:34 pm

Do you have Try to use your modular system Wiard for that?,
Wiard is very nice for drum's with a complex structure?
I have a demo if you want!.

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Post by chamomileshark » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:16 am

Llouwelyn wrote:Do you have Try to use your modular system Wiard for that?,
Wiard is very nice for drum's with a complex structure?
I have a demo if you want!.
hi, do you want to put the demo up in the Wiard area - or on Facebook - I'd like to hear it
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Post by Llouwelyn » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:22 am

In the tracks BII-M, alls sound is wiard.Thanks for listening!
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Post by naos » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:54 am

chamomileshark wrote:thanks for the replies - I should have clarified (and I now have done in the OP) that I'm doing ambient, downtempo stuff and may add IDM to that.

So that's more electronic drums than acoustic. Maybe more minimal too.

Since posting I went through some loops I had from Computer Music / Future Music plus some in Groove Agent SE and some other things - found nothing that really appealed! I did try beat slicing and moving stuff around for the first time and that produced something of interest.

It looks as if I'll need to create my own stuff (which is my preference anyway). Hoping to get a Digitakt later this year.

Not really found any instruction stuff for ambient beats online - but maybe that's because it's such an open field.

Oh and I actually have the 200 Drum Machine patterns which looks as if it was more or less volume 1. Shockingly expensive on Amazon UK! Just got the 260 pdf.
I have a problem with drum machines in electronic music as well - too many pop music clichés implications and I really suck at it. What I would suggest is exploring percussion in general (low-pass gates?), instead of the old 808 kick/snare/clap stuff - there's a whole world of wonder there

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Post by naturligfunktion » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:44 am

Drums is the most important part in any beat driven music in my opinion, so it's crucial that they sound fat and funky. That is difficult and it is by far the part of music making that I work with the most.

I like to sample breaks from my vinyl collection. It sounds good to layer programmed drums with breaks, and I generally think that sampling from vinyl sounds really good. The problem is to find the right beat. I probably have used some records tens of times, which starting to become a bit dumb. And it is annoying when you have the beat in your mind, know how it should be programmed, but can't find the break. I have started to programme more, but it is really difficult to get the feel and the sound I think. It either becomes to sloppy or to stiff. And I it is so boring to scroll through the sample library, looking for the right kick drum.

And somehow, no matter how many samples you have, there is always the right one that is missing...

So I usually go back to my vinyl collection, digging for the right sound. I really, really need to just take a day to sample every single record and save it in my sample-folder, but somehow I never do.

What I want is to get a proper drum kit. Then I can start recording live drums, which really is the best thing (if done well). My neighbours will probably lynch me if I start playing drums, so there is a lot of logistical problems I need to fix before this is an option. Until then, I've been looking at Superior drummer. It seem to be a good option for programming drums, which is something that I like to do. It is a bit expensive tho.

Another option I've been pondering is to build a modular drum machine. I love to use a noise generator for a funky hihat sound. It probably would be cool to have a good kick module, some precussion and a beatstep, with some trigger delays for a "groovy" feel. I need to start saving money for this..

Anyways, my tips for the thread is this: sample vinyl beats. Layer that with other sounds. That tend to sound good. Getting the groove is difficult, and sometimes it is there, other it is not.

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Post by Technologear? » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:15 am

Some great suggestions that I use too, especially fx and embed subtle variations in your rhythm sequencing.

I'll add:
non drum loops has worked well as the basis for rhythm tracks for me. I record found sounds poorly with my phone, like rhythmic air conditioning systems or sprinklers. Moosh it through bold fx so it isn't recognisable, and let that loop inspire the layering of some sparse drums. Similar to the vinyl loop and layer method mentioned.

If I stick to 3-4 drum sounds only, live play the kick snare on my sampler pads, and do that through bold fx as I create, I come up with stuff I like, even years later when listening back to the track. Any other method and I'm :doh:

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