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sample creation for samplers: what level to go ? normalised?

Post by Funky40 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:59 pm

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i see discussions that the pros do work in the DAW with -12db or even with -18db.

other point: i had the feel that samplers do sound and react different and there might be no golden rule ?
i´d like to make drum- and modular percussion sample sets etc. that suit any sampler:
Octatrack, Digitakt, Battery 4, Drumrack in Live, plus some modular Samplers like the bitbox and Erica drumsampler.


What would be your recommendation, asking folks who work much more professional with samplers then me, ....and much more coordinated than I ;),
.......to what gain should i go with my samples ??
-3db ?



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Post by Funky40 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:42 am

Thanks mt3.
I´d say i´m aware of this aspects, well somehow.......
In my case its NOT about instruments/multisamples, ONLY about percussive things. Only one shots !
Drums, Percussion, percussive synth hits. All from the modular


My point is another one:
My point is how the samplers ( hardware) are dealing with files and levels.
With what db level are they the best conftable ?
i want to avoid sound degradiation while having max level on the other side.




i went for a 0db loudness in the past and think thats wrong.
personally i think that tough low freq content gives some samplers more problem than others. More prone for sound degradiation.
the point is to find a db setting that i can use my sample packs nicely with any kind of hardware samplers i have ( OT, DT, MPC1K, now also some modules )

whats the -db setting you guys use for your samples ( one shots)
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Post by authorless » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:23 pm

Funky40 wrote:Thanks mt3.
I´d say i´m aware of this aspects, well somehow.......
In my case its NOT about instruments/multisamples, ONLY about percussive things. Only one shots !
Drums, Percussion, percussive synth hits. All from the modular


My point is another one:
My point is how the samplers ( hardware) are dealing with files and levels.
With what db level are they the best conftable ?
i want to avoid sound degradiation while having max level on the other side.




i went for a 0db loudness in the past and think thats wrong.
personally i think that tough low freq content gives some samplers more problem than others. More prone for sound degradiation.
the point is to find a db setting that i can use my sample packs nicely with any kind of hardware samplers i have ( OT, DT, MPC1K, now also some modules )

whats the -db setting you guys use for your samples ( one shots)
Go for as loud as you can without clipping. You can lower the volume in the sampler if you need, but you can't increase the volume without raising the noise floor.
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Post by Funky40 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:55 pm

authorless wrote:
Go for as loud as you can without clipping.
yes, thats what i´ve donne so far.
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Post by The Grump » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:50 pm

Yes normalized, and it's best if you can do two versions, one uncompressed, and one individually compressed as they would be before hitting a drum group compressor. Also, leave a few ms of silence before each single hit. You can move the start point in the sampler, but you want to make sure you have the sounds of things like a VCA ramping up, or the swing of the kick pedal, etc.. Those little bits of tone matter.

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Post by calaveras » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:19 pm

I always normalize samples. Before I did that the sampler was never loud enough until it was clipping parts of the signal chain.

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Post by Funky40 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:50 pm

ok. so i will continue to normalize my samples.

Thanks for all the feedback !

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Post by mt3 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:00 pm

Funky40 wrote:ok. so i will continue to normalize my samples.

Thanks for all the feedback !

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Were you making the samplepacks for yourself or intended for public consumption as well?

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Post by mt3 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:47 pm

mt3 wrote:https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/view ... 040&hilit=

Some good comments in there.
Finally have some time to reply... then muffs wiggles out.

So my guess to this (touched upon in the link above) is:
* including raw normalized WAV samples
* drumkit pack for each target platform composed of the above raw WAV samples that have been gain adjusted relative to each other. This means high frequency content samples (hats, snares) aren't significantly louder than the mid and low frequency samples (toms, kicks)

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Post by Funky40 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:25 pm

mt3 wrote: Were you making the samplepacks for yourself or intended for public consumption as well?
no, just for myself


yeah, gain adjustment of one sound vs, the other,
also in relation to its frequenzy content would then be the next thing.
.....i never came so far.

i need to shake forth and back thru my samples to just make 2-3 perfect sample packs.
honestly, i don´t think i need anything more than 2 or 3 packs of 32 samples !


over the years, i also just found out what type of Drums and percussion sounds inspire me the most.
Yes, if i ever end up with a sample pack that i consider to be "finished" might i share it.
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Post by mt3 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:59 pm

From an article on Splice (online sample store):
"Splice recommends normalizing all samples to -1dB, so I used Izotope Rx6 to batch all the samples – normalize them, remove DC offset, and dither from 32bit to 24bit WAVs."

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Post by Funky40 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:49 am

thanks for you input mt3 and everybody else.
-1db seems a good solution me thinks.
never thought about DC offset :hmm:

i have the izotope RX6, ...ned to figure out how to do batch processing.
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Post by Blingley » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:52 pm

As long as it's just for yourself, you might as well do whatever.

For my personal samples for instance, I always have hats at a lower volume than other things. I will lower the volume anyway to make the sound tolerable, so why not just save that when making samples?

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Post by joeTron » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:52 pm

Keep in mind if you normalize a sample that was recorded low then you might get a noisy sample because you're raising the noise floor. (Maybe that's okay for some people ) Make sure you record a strong signal without clipping which means consequently you'll require minimal normalizing.

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