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Phasing (Unwanted)

Post by HIMA » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:31 am

Hi All, I'm getting into trying to get a deeper understand of phasing.

First, pretty basic question: are there substantially more phasing issues ITB vs OTB? Due to latency and what not...

Second, I've been trying a few plugins to get a sense of what kind of phasing I'm encountering. PAZ Analyzer and SPL Hawkeye. Both show phasing the scone i move anything out of mono. Every single thing I do produces phasing. It seems impossible to make a Rhodes like sound with chorus for example without inducing massive phasing issues. So the question, is there a level of phasing that can be ignored? SPL Hawkeye, in roll over tips says anything below 4K is an issue. Is that really the case?

Sorry if these are noob questions, but there's very little info on this that I can find. Most say cut the mid in EQ, or try find offending frequencies, but honestly, that is not near enough to solving my problems. If i have a reverb on a return channel it seems impossible to avoid phasing. :bang:

This is making me so sad...
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Re: Phasing (Unwanted)

Post by PhineasFreak » Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:13 pm

HIMA wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:31 am
Hi All, I'm getting into trying to get a deeper understand of phasing.

First, pretty basic question: are there substantially more phasing issues ITB vs OTB? Due to latency and what not...
this one i'm curious about myself since i find the issue is slightly more complex but def something there - i'm fine on real time itb monitoring but once ive recorded and am doing playback there's phase issues and even worse it compounds when i start adding some processing - i suspect its not latency since my realtime monitoring sounds [and looks] fine...
HIMA wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:31 am
Second, I've been trying a few plugins to get a sense of what kind of phasing I'm encountering. PAZ Analyzer and SPL Hawkeye. Both show phasing the scone i move anything out of mono. Every single thing I do produces phasing. It seems impossible to make a Rhodes like sound with chorus for example without inducing massive phasing issues. So the question, is there a level of phasing that can be ignored? SPL Hawkeye, in roll over tips says anything below 4K is an issue. Is that really the case?
i should remind ya, chorus by its very nature is an effect based on making out of phase copies youre always going to see soemething that looks like phase issues there.
HIMA wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:31 am
Sorry if these are noob questions, but there's very little info on this that I can find. Most say cut the mid in EQ, or try find offending frequencies, but honestly, that is not near enough to solving my problems. If i have a reverb on a return channel it seems impossible to avoid phasing. :bang:

This is making me so sad...
reverb and delay and stuff on send return channels, especially whe its a master reverb/whtever with dif levels from dif channels and even sub send/returns involved further is. notorious in daws for taxing the computer as far as processing goes - it might be worth bo9uncing individuaal channels and then doing the following:

[this applies to near any phasing issues or even just good advice for daw production:]

try to start all edits with a zero crossing and when zoomed in keep them as in phase as possible simply by lining up the waveforms - it can make a huge difference [tho ofc thats clearly gonna have limited success depending on what your working with]
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