Anybody using a Lorre-Mill Double Knot with their CL?

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Anybody using a Lorre-Mill Double Knot with their CL?

Post by deltaphoenix » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:30 pm

I was thinking about picking up a Double Knot to go with my Coco. Seems like all should be good patching these 2 because they both use Positive CV only.

Also the manual states "Aspects of this instrument are inspired by techniques used in the designs of Rob Hordijk, Ciat-Lonbarde, and Serge synthesizers."

Should be good fun.

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Post by chrisdermo » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:45 pm

Ive one incoming I plan to use with my tetrax. Smog is getting one too.
Will definitely report back when I have it but will be a couple of weeks.

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Post by deltaphoenix » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:10 pm

Hey Chris,

Good to see you here. I already ordered one too. Mine should be here by this weekend.

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Post by smog » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:59 am

eyyy, ilf'ers :cloud:

my Double Knot arrived yesterday, its so good! got around to patching it with a Tetrax. They play perfectly together. Using a format jumbler to go from nana to 3.5mm the RED, BLUE, and ORANGE can all be used as clock for the Double Knot! Recorded a little demo, first barre RED out is clock. The other's are cross modulating, R2R and Envelopers into the main pitch/chaos. Sequencer Bits into the Glitch's of the other three oscillators that are patched together lows to high. I kept the clocking oscillator unpatched with the others because it was harder to show what was going on.

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Post by deltaphoenix » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:45 pm

RAD. I look forward to having mine on Friday and having some fun this weekend. i will post some vids too.

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Post by horaflora » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:57 pm

smog wrote:eyyy, ilf'ers :cloud:

my Double Knot arrived yesterday, its so good! got around to patching it with a Tetrax. They play perfectly together. Using a format jumbler to go from nana to 3.5mm the RED, BLUE, and ORANGE can all be used as clock for the Double Knot! Recorded a little demo, first barre RED out is clock. The other's are cross modulating, R2R and Envelopers into the main pitch/chaos. Sequencer Bits into the Glitch's of the other three oscillators that are patched together lows to high. I kept the clocking oscillator unpatched with the others because it was harder to show what was going on.

[video][/video]

Aren't there individual clock inputs for each shift register that you could patch directly into? Or does the master clock get normal led to those anyway?

Just got one myself and was having a bit of trouble syncing to PB, but my life is topsy turvy right now, so may have missed a trick in attempting this..

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Post by smog » Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:30 am

deltaphoenix wrote:RAD. I look forward to having mine on Friday and having some fun this weekend. i will post some vids too.
Nice! Looking forward your vids :banana:
horaflora wrote:
Aren't there individual clock inputs for each shift register that you could patch directly into? Or does the master clock get normal led to those anyway?

Just got one myself and was having a bit of trouble syncing to PB, but my life is topsy turvy right now, so may have missed a trick in attempting this..
Yeah, that was how I first patched it up. I grounded the Tetrax and DK together, then patched a RED output from the Tetrax into the Clock In. And it worked once I dialed in that oscillator just right. But when I started messing with the knobs/slider on the Tetrax, the Double Knot would just lose the clock and I would have to start over again pressing its buttons. Was kinda frustrating. Then thought to try patching through a jumbler into the 3.5mm clock input and no problems at all.

I tried patching an Orange from a rollz on my PB into the Double Knot individual clock inputs, also into the Data inputs with no problems. Maybe the Double Knot banana clock inputs are looking for a more square wave? I havn't tried it out with any other sources, yet.

I made another demo of using the Tetrax to clock the Double Knot. This time I patched all four Tetrax oscillators together with their glitch inputs, then patched all the press/release into various glitch inputs.
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Post by smog » Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:18 am

Was playing around some more patching straight from the Tetrax Red to a Clock In and found it WILL work this way too.

Seems I was having trouble because initially I only tried patching from the outs of that shift register back to the Data In to get a loop going. Patched that way pressing the Lo-bit or Hi-bit buttons wasn't doing much of anything...just having all the bits Hi or stopping altogether.

Today I was able to get good results when I used a different source as the Data In. Triangle or Square outs from the "other half" of the Double Knot for instance. Pressing the lo/hi buttons is kinda interesting this way. Fun chaotic beats. When running through the jumbler/3.5mm clock input I can use any of the related step register outputs as Data In with no problem, and pressing the lo/hi buttons respond as expected.

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Re: Anybody using a Lorre-Mill Double Knot with their CL?

Post by placebo92 » Thu May 07, 2020 1:41 am

Would really appreciate if any of you more knowledgeable ciat patchers could help me out by answering a couple questions.

1 - Is it completely safe to patch both ways between a Cocoquantus and a double knot? I'm wary of patching my Plumbutter with my DK as I've read of some people frying something in their DK from doing this, but it says further up this thread that the coco deals in only + voltages so I guess should be safe..?

1.5 - As an addition to that question - if you run the 3.5mm audio out from the DK into the coco does that mean you don't have to connect their banana ground jacks together? I guess the ground should already be shared through the sleeve of the TRS cable correct?

2 - sorta unrelated, but I read somewhere that you should be careful of what you patch into the brown rolls jacks on Plumbutter, does that mean there are connections that shouldn't be made within Plumbutter itself or with Coco? I'm sort of assuming that any connections should be safe between coco and pb, but that's more wishful thinking than any sort of informed opinion..

Just got my coco and am super excited to start exploring!(but also wary of making any hazardous connections with these tools that I really have no business affording :hihi: ). Also apologies if all of this has been covered already, my search skills are failing me.

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Re: Anybody using a Lorre-Mill Double Knot with their CL?

Post by ecotech » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:12 pm

placebo92 wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 1:41 am
Would really appreciate if any of you more knowledgeable ciat patchers could help me out by answering a couple questions.

1 - Is it completely safe to patch both ways between a Cocoquantus and a double knot? I'm wary of patching my Plumbutter with my DK as I've read of some people frying something in their DK from doing this, but it says further up this thread that the coco deals in only + voltages so I guess should be safe..?

1.5 - As an addition to that question - if you run the 3.5mm audio out from the DK into the coco does that mean you don't have to connect their banana ground jacks together? I guess the ground should already be shared through the sleeve of the TRS cable correct?

2 - sorta unrelated, but I read somewhere that you should be careful of what you patch into the brown rolls jacks on Plumbutter, does that mean there are connections that shouldn't be made within Plumbutter itself or with Coco? I'm sort of assuming that any connections should be safe between coco and pb, but that's more wishful thinking than any sort of informed opinion..

Just got my coco and am super excited to start exploring!(but also wary of making any hazardous connections with these tools that I really have no business affording :hihi: ). Also apologies if all of this has been covered already, my search skills are failing me.
You ever break your stuff? I'm about to get the double knot v2 for my coco! Lol

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Re: Anybody using a Lorre-Mill Double Knot with their CL?

Post by Lapis_Elle » Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:29 pm

The only connections you should worry about are the brown outs on Plumbutter, other than that patch to your little hearts content. Also while grounding with the audio out works, you may still have some weird responses so its best to just use the ground connections anyway.

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Re: Anybody using a Lorre-Mill Double Knot with their CL?

Post by placebo92 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:22 pm

ecotech wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:12 pm
You ever break your stuff? I'm about to get the double knot v2 for my coco! Lol
Luckily not! Though I did end up selling both of them not too long ago sadly.. They make a great pair though. I took all the outputs from the coco through a scope before patching them together, and from what I can remember the only outputs that had negative voltage from the coco were the actual delay/loop outputs(grey bananas at the top). I can't quiite remember if the digital noise outs had any negative voltage(I think they were safe but just can't say for certain), but other than those everything should be safe for patching :)

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Re: Anybody using a Lorre-Mill Double Knot with their CL?

Post by ecotech » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:34 pm

placebo92 wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:22 pm
ecotech wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:12 pm
You ever break your stuff? I'm about to get the double knot v2 for my coco! Lol
Luckily not! Though I did end up selling both of them not too long ago sadly.. They make a great pair though. I took all the outputs from the coco through a scope before patching them together, and from what I can remember the only outputs that had negative voltage from the coco were the actual delay/loop outputs(grey bananas at the top). I can't quiite remember if the digital noise outs had any negative voltage(I think they were safe but just can't say for certain), but other than those everything should be safe for patching :)
Sweet, thanks -- it's working out well!

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