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toppobrillo

UPDATE: I'm pleased to announce Synthcube and Thonk UK will be distributing, so save those PMs' smile they'll keep you updated on when stock arrives (should be ~mid Feb)

Hello again-

my partner and I are no longer working together on this, so I won't be making the kits any longer, however I realize there is and has been a persistent demand for the boards, so I'm making (finally) another round available. I can't really gauge how many, so please PM me with your desired quantities and a firm commitment to buy. they should be ready within 2 weeks of closing the order, get the BOM here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/80lwyvx3l25x4ru/Buchla_2812.zip (also linked in the 281 page at my site)

they are 15$ ea and shipping is a flat-rate 5$ USA and 8$ O.S. thanks! I'll keep the order open for a week or so.


decaying.sine

You might want to contact synthcube. He might be interested in purchasing a bunch and then they can be available at his store. That'd be cool if you are cool with that.

I'll take 4 of these. Firmly.


J3RK

Agreed, Synthcube is great to work with on this sort of thing. Well, especially in my case. I'm a lot less organized though... oops Either way, good to see these come around again. w00t


toppobrillo

hm maybe I should just keep thesynthpatch alive and do it there... still it would be nice to get an idea. please PM me with your desired qtys for now. Ill count it up and order that many plus some for the store.


Synthsense

I am interested in 2 boards, please, straight from You or Synthcube if you come to an agreement for selling them in their shop, whatever you prefer is fine for me

Guinness ftw!


Pfurmel

I'd say monobass might be interested in a bunch for his shop, THONK, too.


Synesthesia

I want 4 please !


Monobass

yeah PMing now


harolddonnelly

Re read subject - sorry


drip.feed

Guys help me out. I'm having trouble finding what a 281 brings to the party. Obviously it is a looping envelope but it must be greater than the sum of its parts due to its popularity. Can you point me at audio/video that shows what the 281 can do?

My sdiy backlog contains a dual Teezer, dual 291J, quad LPG...do I want some 281s? seriously, i just don't get it


GrantB

drip.feed wrote:
Guys help me out. I'm having trouble finding what a 281 brings to the party. Obviously it is a looping envelope but it must be greater than the sum of its parts due to its popularity. Can you point me at audio/video that shows what the 281 can do?

My sdiy backlog contains a dual Teezer, dual 291J, quad LPG...do I want some 281s? seriously, i just don't get it


The 281 has rise and fall times which are separately and simultaneously voltage controllable. See Mr. Bartons excellent "Building the Krell Muzak Patch" for an example of why this is cool:



The CGS VCS can do this too, as well as both halves of a DUSG. 1/4 of a 281 is quite a bit more compact than these options though.


widdly

I would like 1 of the PCB's. Thanks!


drip.feed

Wow! I'm definitely getting some of these. SlayerBadger!

Has anyone offered panels for them?


Raytracer

Grayscale has panels . Not sure who else..


grilojoe

Say that's pretty spiffy! I'm seeing a couple of these in my future too.


lvoemachine

oooh, yeah these look great. ill be making some MU panels for this one, looks like.


kssm

PMed for three! w00t w00t w00t


keninverse

PM'd for 2... very firm, not just a supple commitment.


lamouette/rck

I'll get 2 of them !


Synesthesia

Are they the Dual version of the board ?


kssm

I believe they are: "new run Dual Buchla 281 boards"


Synesthesia

Quote:
kssm


feeling daft now wink thanks though!!!!


sammy123

I'd Like one. Thank you.


harolddonnelly

PM'd for 2 when do you need payment?


bernd.wender

PM'd you for two.


sempervirent

Euro panels just sold out but I'll take preorders for as long as the PCB order is open:
http://grayscale.info/panels/buchla-toppobrillo-281-dual-function-gene rator/


Razmataz

MP for Sempervirent Mr. Green


sempervirent

Responded. VCA/Mix panels will be here on Wednesday, check the thread for details.


kssm

Synesthesia wrote:
Quote:
kssm


feeling daft now wink thanks though!!!!


Ooops! Didn't mean to sound brash.


Spip

I would like 2. Thank you ! w00t w00t

PM'ed


tds

pm'd for 1. Thanks!!


patchdub

5u folks, i have a panel for this project that i'm not using...

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1361916#1361916


kssm

Please let us know when you are ready for payment, Toppobrillo! I have two $20 bills sitting on my dresser, it's my dedicated DFG account.


jjsynth

I'm interested in 2 boards.


robot909

Count me in for one board. thumbs up


lintfresh

I'm in for one board! thumbs up


memorygardens

pm'd for one.


synthcube

We PMed as well.


morelius21

hi,

one unit for me please.

Thanks


Smugrik

Hi, I would love two boards for the dual buchla 281 please, firm commitment.

thanks for making a new run of these!

edit: PM sent


cane creek

I would like a PCB hope I'm not too late thumbs up


sicpaul

I would love to take 2 pcbs. love


ju4n

PM'd for 2! hope im not late on this one.


norbwuertz

PMed for a couple of boards if its not oo late


delayed

2 PCBs please


kssm

I sure hope this happens in 2013!


JoeMatt

pm'd for 2 as well if open.


ttown23

PM'd for 4 boards if possible!


ashleym

I think I sent a PM on the 30th for two boards. The message is in my outbox and says it sent on 30/11/13??????? Does that mean it sent or does it need to appear in my sent box?


mumblinstevedubya

1 for me please if I am not too late?

thanks thumbs up


bernd.wender

ashleym wrote:
I think I sent a PM on the 30th for two boards. The message is in my outbox and says it sent on 30/11/13??????? Does that mean it sent or does it need to appear in my sent box?


I my case the message is in the sent box. Date says Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:13 am

I never really understood the difference between the boxes BTW.


cane creek

I PM'ed on 24th November regarding Buying a PCB but heard nothing since seriously, i just don't get it , I do hope these PCB's are still for sale.

The PM is in my outbox does that mean toppobrillo hasn't received my message ? I'm another member who doesn't understand what the outbox is for ?


memorygardens

outbox means the receiver hasnt open and or read the message. sentbox means that have.


cane creek

memorygardens wrote:
outbox means the receiver hasnt open and or read the message. sentbox means that have.


Thank you for clearing that up thumbs up


bernd.wender

cane creek wrote:

The PM is in my outbox does that mean toppobrillo hasn't received my message ?


Not necessarily. I have a couple of messages in my outbox which have been answered by mail. Since most users get an eMail notification whenever a private message is sent to them, they reply via eMail without actually opening the private message. So I wouldn't care too much if a message is in the outbox or in the sentbox.


bernd.wender

]double dip[


Low-Gain

I'm in for 4 !


Low-Gain

I'm in for 4 !


Synesthesia

Any news with this ? smile


grilojoe

Synesthesia wrote:
Any news with this ? smile


Been wondering the same thing myself. hmmm.....


memorygardens

grilojoe wrote:
Synesthesia wrote:
Any news with this ? smile


Been wondering the same thing myself. hmmm.....


i have just assumed this isnt happening. shit happens sometimes and life gets in the way of diy synth builders. It just part of it. doesnt bother me, just hope for the best.

happy holidays


Kakihara

help


Synesthesia

memorygardens wrote:
grilojoe wrote:
Synesthesia wrote:
Any news with this ? smile


Been wondering the same thing myself. hmmm.....


i have just assumed this isnt happening. shit happens sometimes and life gets in the way of diy synth builders. It just part of it. doesnt bother me, just hope for the best.

happy holidays


Ah no no no smile I need this to happen now smile got panels and stuff smile


aristote

Hello !
I'm in for 3 PCB if they're still available !


Edit : Just PM'd for the ordering smile
Thanks thumbs up


aristote

no news... any one received any PCB from this batch ? seriously, i just don't get it
i've been too fast on this... ordered Panels and electronics parts....


cane creek

Sent several PM's about wanting to buy PCB but no replys


Synesthesia

Same here .... ordered 4 Panels :((((((


bernd.wender

Synesthesia wrote:
Same here .... ordered 4 Panels :((((((


Has anyone heard from Toppobrillo w.r.t this new run? I sent him a PM immediately after he made the announcement but got no reply. This is almost 2 months ago now. So I wonder if this will happen...


Synesthesia

I sent him a couple of PM\questions after he posted, and got replies\clarifications smile so there is no doubt this run was going to happen

it seems to me like something caught up with him - Delays are annoying but that happens smile - I really hope he is ok.


Synesthesia

I sent him a couple of PM\questions after he posted, and got replies\clarifications smile so there is no doubt this run was going to happen

it seems to me like something caught up with him - Delays are annoying but that happens smile - I really hope he is ok.


camelneck

I'd also like to know what is going on.
Is this just another teaser post?
I've been waiting for 5 years to purchase some of these wonderful PCBs and for various reasons I always miss the deadline to place a preorder.

In June 2013, Topps announced that he be was in the process of doing a new run of these PCBs and said he would be stocking them on his brand new "Synth Patch website" and told us to stay tuned.

After monitoring the website for a few weeks and seeing no update regarding these PCBs, I PM'd his girlfriend (synthpatch) and asked her what was going on. She told me to send her an email and she would put me on the list which I did. Well, it has been 6 months and I've yet to receive any updates. In the meantime, I have been checking the Synthpatch website once a week to see if any of these PCBs were available for sale.

When I discovered this thread today and read Topps post, I almost died!!! eek! Why hadn't I been notified? I suppose to be on a list that notifies me when these PCBs are available!

Lucky for me, it was just another teaser post and to the best of my knowledge no new run of PCBs has been made yet. Boy, am I relieved. I would have died if I had missed out another opportunity to purchase these wonderful PCBs.

IMHO, it would help if Topps extended the deadline for placing a pre-order from 1 week to 4 weeks. There are a lot of people like myself who only get a chance to log on to Muffs once every 1 or 2 weeks. So a 1 week window just doesn't cut it.


camelneck

I definitely want 2 of these PCBs and have sent Topps a PM for 2 of them.


oberkorn

2 boards please please make this happen help


Synesthesia

Bump .... please someone make this happen !!


Maco

2 pleaseee zombie


Kakihara

Hello!!! Is it me you're...

4 pcbs please wink


toppobrillo

Quote:
In June 2013, Topps announced that he be was in the process of doing a new run of these PCBs and said he would be stocking them on his brand new "Synth Patch website" and told us to stay tuned.

After monitoring the website for a few weeks and seeing no update regarding these PCBs, I PM'd his girlfriend (synthpatch) and asked her what was going on. She told me to send her an email and she would put me on the list which I did. Well, it has been 6 months and I've yet to receive any updates. In the meantime, I have been checking the Synthpatch website once a week to see if any of these PCBs were available for sale.

When I discovered this thread today and read Topps post, I almost died!!! eek! Why hadn't I been notified? I suppose to be on a list that notifies me when these PCBs are available!


because "synthpatch" was a pet project to get my now ex-girlfriend involved for both our sake- it is no longer and neither are we, I have no idea who she followed up with via the Zoho email or not..

so I've been on a mental vacation for a while, ignoring most all things synth and trying to get my head back on straight. It's been a rough few months, but I'm happy to say that I'm getting back in the groove, and checking some of the things I'd neglected off my list- so in the mean time, I've received a couple of offers for distribution, I've responded to these and see where they go. I'd like to get this sorted this week for sure, If nothing else I will handle the packing/ shipping vis a vis an employee of mine here. so- what'd I miss?
twisted

edit: I meant also to say I'm sorry for neglecting this, mean it


Synesthesia

What an excellent news wink

applause applause applause thumbs up w00t MY ASS IS BLEEDING


Littlem4tt

yes excellent!!

I would like to order 1, how do i pay?


cane creek

1 PCB please thumbs up


STØJ

PMed for 1 pcb.


gbiz

I'd be in for a PCB please smile


Synesthesia

in for like ... 8 smile


wotwot

cool. i thought i was too late already..
i'd be in for 4 boards please It's peanut butter jelly time!

thank you


drip.feed

Synesthesia wrote:
in for like ... 8 smile

LOL... lol


magneticstripper

2 please


craque

PM sent for 2!


harolddonnelly

Great to see this moving forward!

Already PM'd for 2 boards long ago, when do you need payment?


spauldingjeffrey

I would like one if they are still available.


ctrl+z

I am in for 1 pcb.


aristote

Still in for 3 PCB smile applause thumbs up


toppobrillo

update- see title and first post!


broon_777

Pm'd for 2

Cheers!


Monobass

Rockin' Banana! It's motherfucking bacon yo

no need to PM me either wink They'll be on Thonk for sale in the usual way, no pre-orders and a large batch so no need for rush buying.


synthcube

ditto for synthcube- we have plenty coming in, excited to be carrying the pcbs, and plans for pcb/panel bundles and full kits smile


Synesthesia

Glad to see that guys smile

I hope the price will be similar as announced by Toppobrillo though.


aristote

excellent news !! thumbs up


bernd.wender

Monobass wrote:
Rockin' Banana! It's motherfucking bacon yo

no need to PM me either wink They'll be on Thonk for sale in the usual way, no pre-orders and a large batch so no need for rush buying.


Good news indeed! Is it possible to combine with the IC sockets group buy to save shipping costs?


oberkorn

WØW this just went from ??? to !!!


Monobass

bernd.wender wrote:
Monobass wrote:
Rockin' Banana! It's motherfucking bacon yo

no need to PM me either wink They'll be on Thonk for sale in the usual way, no pre-orders and a large batch so no need for rush buying.


Good news indeed! Is it possible to combine with the IC sockets group buy to save shipping costs?


If they were already in stock it would be fine, but sadly the timelines on the group buy and the PCBs won't overlap, by at least a few weeks.


Ginko

Monobass wrote:
Rockin' Banana! It's motherfucking bacon yo

no need to PM me either wink They'll be on Thonk for sale in the usual way, no pre-orders and a large batch so no need for rush buying.


as always: yessssssssssssssssssssssss


bernd.wender

Monobass wrote:

If they were already in stock it would be fine, but sadly the timelines on the group buy and the PCBs won't overlap, by at least a few weeks.


OK, no problem. I'm glad that you take care of this run, Monobass. it's nice that it's possible to get these things in Europe. Much easier than ordering everything from the States.


Spip

bernd.wender wrote:
it's nice that it's possible to get these things in Europe. Much easier than ordering everything from the States.


Just curious... May I ask why ?

In this case, the PCBs go from US to UK and next from UK to the rest of Europe instead of going directly to you. Shipping from UK is not cheap at all and take often more time than from US. UK doesn't use euro, so you have to pay bank fees. And last but not least VAT which you usually don't pay for PCBs. Without speaking, of course, of paying a second handling time on top.

No offence but I'm not sure to see a bargain here seriously, i just don't get it


memorygardens

will the kits work for V.2 and V.3 pcbs?


bernd.wender

Spip wrote:

Just curious... May I ask why ?


It is all about customs. If I order components from the States they normally get stuck at the customs office (luckily not always). The worst case is if they send you a letter asking to describe exactly what it is and to provide an invoice. Then you either fetch it from the customs office or pay an additional fee to the post office to get it for you. This takes time, money, and nerves. wink
You are right, UK is not part of the Euro zone, but it is part of the European union. So there is no toll. Bank fees are moderate, especially if you pay prr credit card or PayPal.

What I like most is the model Mouser uses. You can order at Mouser Germany, but the package comes right from the States. It normally doesn't take more than a couple of days. I pay in Euro and all the customs stuff is handled by Mouser Germany. It looks just like an intra EU transaction.


Spip

Thanks for the details. I have never encountered these sort of problems with customs here. eek!


Ginko

I am just getting together the BOM - really struggling with the 49.9k 1% metal film resistors, am I missing something here?

I worked with a technician once who said you could file down resistors to get lower values - is this true? hihi

edit: also, what am I looking for with the polypropylene capacitor? I have seen a few with a wide variety of voltage ratings


bernd.wender

Ginko wrote:
I am just getting together the BOM - really struggling with the 49.9k 1% metal film resistors


What about this one?

Mouser Part No:
271-49.9K-RC
Manufacturer Part No:
271-49.9K-RC
Manufacturer:
Xicon
Description: Metal Film Resistors - Through Hole 49.9Kohms 1% 50PPM


Reality Checkpoint

Ginko wrote:
I am just getting together the BOM - really struggling with the 49.9k 1% metal film resistors, am I missing something here?


I think these may be the ones you want:

http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/KOA-Speer/MF1-4DCT52R4992F/?qs=%2fh a2pyFadujx107AAlVRuugplMnSWEeePL%2f1caF6FiyJsu5Q%2fpoxhXTFSbUs1kRj

thumbs up


Ginko

Any advice on the polypropylene capacitor? I don't really know what I am looking for

edit: found resistors on cpc by the way, worked out a little cheaper than mouser thumbs up


synthcube

if you would like to receive an automatic email when the pcbs and the pcb/grayscale panel bundles are in stock, you can click on the links here:

http://synthcube.com/cart/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=3 25

http://synthcube.com/cart/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=3 26

expected date depends on toppobrillo and grayscale but will hopefully be around 1 march 2014


sempervirent

Ordering panels today, just FYI.


Monobass

You can join the wishlist to be informed of when the 281 PCBS (and TWF too!) come in stock at Thonk here -

http://www.thonk.co.uk/product-category/toppobrillo/


Spip

Monobass wrote:
You can join the wishlist to be informed of when the 281 PCBS (and TWF too!) come in stock at Thonk here -

http://www.thonk.co.uk/product-category/toppobrillo/


Done w00t

Any idea of the delay ?


Monobass

They hopefully ship from the states this week.


Spip

Nice !


kssm

Driving Great news!


synthcube

we've had the same news-- pcbs shipping to us this week, panels in stock awaiting the PCBs smile


synthcube

happy to report that the Toppobrillo 281 PCBs and Grayscale panels are now IN STOCK:

http://synthcube.com/cart/index.php?route=product/search&filter_name=t oppobrillo

smile


sammy123

Bought. Thank you synthcube.


Monobass

Well I'm pleased to say the Thonk stock... appears from the tracking... to have currently got as far as.... Miami smile

Trying to work out how international USPS parcels take so long to actually leave the US... Well that path leads to madness smile


makers

Sorry if this has been answered before...

How deep is this dual build behind the the Grayscale panel?


thresholdpeople

Hey all,

I've put together a mouser project for all of the components except the panel mount pots, and jacks.

I ordered jacks on erthenvar.. mouser stocks kubiconn, but they're a lot more expensive than erthenvar's grab bags.

http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=ea765 901df

The project is for 1 make of the 281-2.

There are a few different colors of LEDs, if you're getting multiple panels and PCBs, you may not need those LEDs to keep adding.. up to you. I mostly added a bunch to see which one's I like, and to be able to have different LEDs for different sides of the panel.

I also went with 3 SPDT switches, as opposed to 2 SPDT, and 1 SPST to avoid the pulldown resistor, and specing a different switch.

All the resistors are 1%, Xicon mostly, as that was the cheapest, and most available for the values.. tried to go Vishay at first, but many values were unavailable.

The 2.7K Xicon resistors are backordered. I ordered these instead: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/KOA-Speer/MF1-4DCT52R2701F/?qs=%2f ha2pyFadujx107AAlVRuoXNEsnjEbVXh2SGr8tyCraA666kDZdWVFyzfU14CnL2

I was gonna get hex standoffs too, but not sure how long, etc they need to be, so I saved that for another time.

Also, here: http://www.sdiy.org/toppobrillo/DOWNLOADS/2812_DUAL/Dual%20281%20PDF.p df lower value resistors are suggested -- "PERHAPS
USE SMALLER VALUE HERE FOR "SMOOTHER" LED ACTION; 22K ORSO LOOKS GOOD ON MINE"
So, I ordered some of those as well, they did not make it into the project -- http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=271-22K-RC

I'm fairly sure everything is correct... if anyone catches any errors in this, let me know!

Boris


makers

Awesome, thanks!


bernd.wender

Monobass wrote:
Well I'm pleased to say the Thonk stock... appears from the tracking... to have currently got as [...] smile


What's the current location? Heathrow? wink


Monobass

I want to throw this concept for a 12hp TWF panel out there... This module would likely be 90mm deep, the board would be mounted at a right angle to the panel in similar fashion to the Thomas White LPG.

I'm also considering quite a different 12hp layout to the original with all the jacks at the bottom instead.




Monobass

bernd.wender wrote:
Monobass wrote:
Well I'm pleased to say the Thonk stock... appears from the tracking... to have currently got as [...] smile


What's the current location? Heathrow? wink


the mysterious 'International Hub'.....


Monobass

another option




cane creek

thresholdpeople, thank you for the mouser project thumbs up

Steve/Thonk some nice panels there thumbs up


xahdrez

Yeah, I have some other synth stuff sitting at that same 'International Hub' - starting to think some guy who works there is building himself a wall of synth on the sly.

Panelwise both look good - depth is not likely to be too much of a problem for me, but I'm more into option two as I prefer sockets at the bottom.


Monobass

thanks! layout criticism welcome on the panels


Monobass

perhaps this one is best of both worlds




xahdrez

Works for me! thumbs up


synthcube

What about the grayscale panel?


Ginko

Well monobass' panel is only 12hp - that's the tipping point for me!


gbiz

The jacks at the bottom layout looks good to me.


synthcube

Ginko wrote:
Well monobass' panel is only 12hp - that's the tipping point for me!

Excellent point! Great to have options


Ginko

synthcube wrote:
Ginko wrote:
Well monobass' panel is only 12hp - that's the tipping point for me!

Excellent point! Great to have options


Yeah I am one of those guys... hihi


Monobass

revisions, revisions smile




Monobass

281 and TWF boards finally in stock at Thonk thumbs up

http://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/


Ginko

I dropped my order as soon as I got the Think e-mail hihi


4285407da1d2a63820a3007c1

Couldn't resist the deal, got 4 281 PCBs. You can never have too many EGs etc etc.


bernd.wender

Monobass wrote:
281 and TWF boards finally in stock at Thonk thumbs up

http://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/


Cool! Placed an order.


Ginko

I am still looking for .1uf polypropylene capacitors, the only ones I have found are high voltage, I imagine that they would be too large for the board - does anyone have any suggestions?


bernd.wender

Ginko wrote:
I am still looking for .1uf polypropylene capacitors, the only ones I have found are high voltage, I imagine that they would be too large for the board - does anyone have any suggestions?


What about this, for example?
Mouser Part No: 505-MKP20.1/100/5


mrbloor

bitsbox are good

http://www.bitsbox.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_81& products_id=405

or

http://www.bitsbox.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_76_ 79&products_id=383


Ginko

mrbloor wrote:
bitsbox are good

http://www.bitsbox.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_81& products_id=405

or

http://www.bitsbox.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_76_ 79&products_id=383


That's more like it! thanks both! we're not worthy


milkyjoe

The mouser BOM in this thread doesn't seem to work.

Someone willing to share a tested/working BOM for this?

Surely someone has one!

thanks!


cane creek

Just got my Mouser BOM order for 281 and for the 10 X 49.9k resistors they have sent these Brown Military resistors, I've put a normal resistor in the photo so you can gauge the size, so i assume this is a mistake or do i use them ? can i use them ?

These brown things can be found on mouser Here




Monobass

Yeah they will work fine if you can fit them vertically perhaps

Depending on how many you are buying, these are the best value 1/4w 1% metal film resistor ranges at Mouser

XICON - http://uk.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?FS=TRUE&N=4294759688+429476210 8+4291965373+4294010798+1323043

KOA SPEER - http://uk.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?FS=TRUE&N=4294759671+429476220 7+4291965373+4294619412+1323043


cane creek

Monobass wrote:
Yeah they will work fine if you can fit them vertically perhaps


Thank you for the Reply, Vertically sounds like a plan thumbs up


NS4W

Does the different PCBs differ in any way?
(I think I have two from an early run)

EDIT: Here's the build thread btw: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70020&start=all&post days=0&postorder=asc

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