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[Spares Available!] Euro panels +PCBs for the Living VCO!
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What kind of panel would you prefer?
White FR4 PCB material, black graphics
31%
 31%  [ 24 ]
Natural Aluminum, black graphics
51%
 51%  [ 39 ]
I don't care, just gimme a panel!
17%
 17%  [ 13 ]
Total Votes : 76

Author [Spares Available!] Euro panels +PCBs for the Living VCO!
LeftyLogic
*All preorders shipped! If you preordered but haven't paid yet, you have two weeks to do so! Any orders left unpaid by March 26th will be sold to someone else!*

Here's the final draft of the 34HP panel design:


As I said earlier, the final pricing for the panels depends on the number of orders I receive, but here are some estimates:

*Edit 11/5/14--Pricing update*
Good news! I've had enough orders for each option to be able to say that both runs are definitely going to be happening!

*Edit 11/25/14--Another pricing update*
Panel pricing is now solid at $15 apiece for the FR4 and $30 apiece for the Aluminum panels!

Additionally, Barcode and Logicgate have given me permission to do a run of PCBs to go along with the panels!

*Edit 11/16/14* PCBs are now ~$6 per set of 3 VCOs and 1 Driver! It's peanut butter jelly time!

To order, please send me a PM containing the quantity of panels and PCB sets you would like to order, as well as your paypal address, and mailing address. At the end of the ordering period, I will send you a paypal invoice for whatever the final pricing turns out to be, and I will ship your order as soon as it arrives from the manufacturer!

Thanks very much to everyone who's chimed in so far, and to Logicgate and Barcode for all the work they've done towards making this project available again!

Seth

*Edit 11/2/14--Shipping information*
Shipping looks as though it'll be a little less than $5 for US orders, and around $10 for International. I'll send everyone who orders a more specific quote once I've got everything ready to ship.


*Original post below*

Hello everyone!
Based on some recent discussion in the J. Haible's Living VCO For Euro thread, I would like to put a run together of these panels: (see above for final revision)

The current design is 34 HP, (With thanks due to Randy for convincing me to shrink it down from 38!) and I am considering two different options for what material to use:
The first is 2MM White FR4 PCB material. This is my preferred option because it's extremely inexpensive and I like how it looks, but I know there are quite a few people out there who prefer to have all aluminum systems, so I would also like to offer the option of getting them in that material as well.

Final pricing will depend on the number of panels ordered, but here are some estimates:
For the PCB panels it's looking like something like $25 apiece for 10-25 panels, but it goes down to around $10 to $12 for more than 25.
The Aluminum panels will be significantly more expensive; based on a quote I received for an earlier revision of the design it looks like they'll cost around $55 apiece for 10, or $35 apiece for more than 25.

Is anyone interested in these?

Seth


*Edit 10/26* Increased panel width to 34HP due to some spacing mistakes.
LeftyLogic
Key: [Ordered], [Paid], [Shipped].
[Number of FR4 panels ordered], [Number of Aluminum panels ordered], [Number of PCB sets ordered]

*Order List*

[LeftyLogic] [1] [0] [1]
[spneca] [0] [2] [2]
[Reality Checkpoint] [0] [1] [1]
[Rigo] [1] [1] [1]
[Stides] [1] [0] [1]
[qfactor] [2] [0] [1]
[Baloo] [3] [0] [2]
[blip] [0] [0] [2]
[Grumskiz] [1] [0] [0]
[TheDegenerateElite] [1] [0] [1]
[raisinbag] [8] [0] [3]
[Menocu] [0] [2] [2]
[bugfight] [0] [2] [2]
[lamouette/rck] [0] [2] [2]
[latigid on] [0] [1] [1]
[LektroiD] [1] [1] [1]
[patouuu] [2] [0] [2]
[Skaput] [0] [1] [0]
[davydka] [0] [0] [2]
[oldenjon] [0] [0] [2]
[spacedog] [2] [0] [2]
[nd595] [0] [1] [1]
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[Suf-fuD] [0] [2] [2]
[olga42] [0] [3] [3]
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[gianni] [1] [0] [1]
[idealer] [1] [0] [2]
[gbiz] [0] [1] [1]
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[ThecureForSin] [0] [1] [1]
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[the bad producer] [0] [0] [4]
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[bensaddiction] [1] [0] [1]
[theputney] [5] [0] [5]
[regenbot] [0] [1] [2]
[Jop] [0] [1] [1]
[spotta] [0] [1] [1]
[nigel] [0] [1] [1]
[hellpony] [0] [1] [1]
[Hkg_phooey] [2] [0] [2]
[frozenkore] [0] [2] [0]
[sonideros] [1] [0] [2]
[makers] [1] [0] [1]
[hi0b] [0] [1] [1]
[monno] [1] [0] [1]
[Rhea] [0] [0] [4]
[mothertongue] [2] [0] [2]
[CrysWiz] [0] [0] [4]
[thetwlo] [0] [5] [5]
[ppccdd] [1] [0] [1]
[ioannis taf] [1] [0] [2]
[notmiserlouagain] [0] [0] [2]
[STOJ] [0] [1] [2]
[jh0n] [0] [1] [1]
[Isaiah] [0] [0] [2]
[lessavyfav] [0] [1] [1]
[LED-man] [1] [0] [1]
[negativspace] [0] [0] [1]
[tekzon] [2] [0] [2]
[evengravy] [0] [2] [2]
[duff] [1] [0] [3]
[pantalones] [0] [1] [1]
[extinguish] [0] [1] [1]
[guitarfool] [0] [0] [5]
[MatMillion] [0] [1] [1]
[weedywhizz] [2] [1] [3]
[medbot] [2] [0] [2]
[hyperparallel] [0] [2] [2]
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[synchromesh] [3] [0] [0]
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[billsship] [0] [1] [2]
[Kunfuz] [1] [0] [1]
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[mindarp] [1] [1] [2]
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[pre55ure] [0] [0] [2]
[GrantB] [0] [0] [1]
[pulse_divider] [0] [3] [3]
[skorn] [1] [0] [1]
[DJBRUTAL] [1] [0] [3]
[livefreela] [0] [1] [1]
[ndkent] [3] [0] [3]
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[far gon] [2] [2] [4]
[jules] [0] [2] [2]
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[onlyHzwhenI...] [0] [3] [5]
[ringer] [0] [10] [10]
[ZibraZibraZibra] [0] [0] [2]
[FingerTappin] [0] [1] [1]
[ChrisR] [0] [0] [2]
[CV_Wonder] [2] [0] [2]
[horstronic] [0] [1] [1]
[jflower] [0] [2] [2]
[clusterchord] [0] [1] [0]
[keninverse] [0] [2] [1]
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[j9k] [1] [0] [1]
[josh1026] [1] [0] [2]
[jaidee] [0] [1] [1]
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*Current Totals*
[88] [106] [236]
thresholdpeople
I'm going to put mine into a custom enclosure, so I'll be making my own panel, but I voted for white PCB with black lettering. I think that'll look really nice.
Grumskiz
Definiatly interested! I love this panel layout.
But I was wondering:
This is a eurorack (3U) panel right? Not a Frac (4U) one. I'm asking because I got a little confused in the original thread as to which panel people where talking about...
LeftyLogic
thresholdpeople wrote:
I'm going to put mine into a custom enclosure, so I'll be making my own panel, but I voted for white PCB with black lettering. I think that'll look really nice.

Thank you! A custom enclosure sounds like a cool idea, I look forward to seeing it!

Grumskiz wrote:
Definiatly interested! I love this panel layout.
But I was wondering:
This is a eurorack (3U) panel right? Not a Frac (4U) one. I'm asking because I got a little confused in the original thread as to which panel people where talking about...

Thanks! And yup, this is a Eurorack panel. Both Euro and Frac are technically supposed to be the same height, (3 rack units) but most Eurorack enclosures have a small lip on each rail, which forces Euro panels to be slightly shorter than an equivalent Frac panel. This is one of the reasons why it's such a PITA to fit a Frac module into a Euro case. Dead Banana
Grumskiz
Thanks for the quick answer LeftyLogic.
I actually did not know, that Frac is just a full height eek!
Well I'm a eurorack only guy wink
LeftyLogic
Grumskiz wrote:
Thanks for the quick answer LeftyLogic.
I actually did not know, that Frac is just a full height eek!
Well I'm a eurorack only guy wink

No problem! I'm glad you're interested! This is fun!
Skaput
w00t my vote for aluminum, thats if your considering international orders.

Also does this design mean we can mount the pcb to the panel with the pots or will it be bracket and standoff job.

Thanks for taking this on by the way. thumbs up
raisinbag
Hey hey, so my vote is for white pcb with black writting! I try to keep my builds as cheap as possible, plus white looks sexy! My Koma filter is white with black and it looks killer. So ya if you get pcb price to $10 as I said I'll get 5. If we don't make the cheaper tier I'll probably just get one or two. Also curious if holes line up with pots on boards. I'm pretty sure they, looking at design.
LeftyLogic
Skaput wrote:
w00t my vote for aluminum, thats if your considering international orders.

Also does this design mean we can mount the pcb to the panel with the pots or will it be bracket and standoff job.

Thanks for taking this on by the way. thumbs up


raisinbag wrote:
Hey hey, so my vote is for white pcb with black writting! I try to keep my builds as cheap as possible, plus white looks sexy! My Koma filter is white with black and it looks killer. So ya if you get pcb price to $10 as I said I'll get 5. If we don't make the cheaper tier I'll probably just get one or two. Also curious if holes line up with pots on boards. I'm pretty sure they, looking at design.


Thanks guys! It's peanut butter jelly time! International orders are perfectly fine with me, but I'm pretty sure shipping will be somewhat more expensive. And yup, everything is lined up so that the PCBs can be mounted directly via the pots! thumbs up Although one thing to note is that you'll have to use 9mm pots instead of 16mm ones because the spacing's a little too tight for the larger ones to fit.
LeftyLogic
Well... I just had a total d'oh! moment. It turns out that with the way the Driver board is designed, on my current panel layout the PCB would end up smack dab in the middle of one of the "track/free" switches. So, it unfortunately looks as though I'm going to have to make a few changes to my layout to get that fixed. I've come up with a few different ideas that should hopefully get everything to fit:
The first option would be to remove the offending switch entirely; the second option would be to remove the +-OCT switch and put one of the Track/Free switches in its place; and the third option would be to leave everything as is, but increase the panel width to 32HP to allow for a little more room to spread everything out.
Personally, I favor the first option, as it would be easy for the builder to just normalize the 1V/OCT jack on whichever oscillator loses its switch to the Driver output, but I would like to hear everyone's opinion on which option you all would prefer.

Sorry about this!
Seth
mush
Check the width too. I believe that is the same width as mine. And I couldn't get 16mm pots to fit, so everything got wired on mine... A bit more work..
raisinbag
Personally on a board that big, I don't mind and extra 2hp and keeping options availible. But would bail if you did option #3 either. Just need to label so one would know what's going on.
Grumskiz
I wouldn't mind the board being wider...
9mm pots only kinda sucks tho :(
Maybe it's just me, but everytime I see them, they are almost 3x the price of 16mm ones cry

Still I love this panel design and want one for my rack grin
Jop
Nice panel Seth! I prefer aluminum and 32hp.
raisinbag
LeftyLogic wrote:
Skaput wrote:
w00t my vote for aluminum, thats if your considering international orders.

Also does this design mean we can mount the pcb to the panel with the pots or will it be bracket and standoff job.

Thanks for taking this on by the way. thumbs up


raisinbag wrote:
Hey hey, so my vote is for white pcb with black writting! I try to keep my builds as cheap as possible, plus white looks sexy! My Koma filter is white with black and it looks killer. So ya if you get pcb price to $10 as I said I'll get 5. If we don't make the cheaper tier I'll probably just get one or two. Also curious if holes line up with pots on boards. I'm pretty sure they, looking at design.


Hey what part of spacing is too tight for the 16mm pots? I just stuck 16mm alphas into a PCB to see what it looked like and they are really close, but still fit the footprint of the PCB, so confused why they wouldnt fit the panel?


Thanks guys! It's peanut butter jelly time! International orders are perfectly fine with me, but I'm pretty sure shipping will be somewhat more expensive. And yup, everything is lined up so that the PCBs can be mounted directly via the pots! thumbs up Although one thing to note is that you'll have to use 9mm pots instead of 16mm ones because the spacing's a little too tight for the larger ones to fit.
LeftyLogic
Well, ask and ye shall receive! This version's got room for both 16mm pots and all the switches! Unfortunately, the tradeoff is that I had to go up to 34 HP instead of just 32, but I would call that a small price to pay for a $30 savings in potentiometer costs. MY ASS IS BLEEDING

Grumskiz
I love it! This is fun!
raisinbag
I love it too!!!! MY ASS IS BLEEDING I really don't care about more hp, but being a case maker I'm kinda spoiled!!
LeftyLogic
Grumskiz wrote:
I love it! This is fun!


raisinbag wrote:
I love it too!!!! MY ASS IS BLEEDING I really don't care about more hp, but being a case maker I'm kinda spoiled!!


Thanks guys! I'm really glad you like it! This is fun!
raisinbag
We'll then Byotches!!!! Order a bunch so we can all get some at cheap ass prices!!!!!! I'm sure barcode sold to more than 12 peeps.
LektroiD
Count me in for an aluminium panel... 34HP is good for me if it accommodates 16mm pots wink
LeftyLogic
raisinbag wrote:
We'll then Byotches!!!! Order a bunch so we can all get some at cheap ass prices!!!!!! I'm sure barcode sold to more than 12 peeps.

lolspew

LektroiD wrote:
Count me in for an aluminium panel... 34HP is good for me if it accommodates 16mm pots wink

Alright, consider yourself counted! thumbs up And yup, 16mm pots should fit perfectly. In fact, you'll actually have to use them on the Driver board, because with 9mm ones there isn't enough distance between the board and the pot, so the PCB interferes with one of the switches. Either type should work fine with the VCOs though!
LeftyLogic
Okay, I've got another quick layout question for you guys. At the moment, the knob scales on this panel have a diameter of around a half an inch, because in my personal builds I've found that black Davies knobs look pretty damn gorgeous on a white panel. However, having the scales that small effectively restricts you to not being able to use anything other than Davies knobs (or maybe small MakeNoise knobs). Is that alright with everyone, or should I see if I can change the diameter to something a little larger?
qfactor
LeftyLogic wrote:
Okay, I've got another quick layout question for you guys. At the moment, the knob scales on this panel have a diameter of around a half an inch, because in my personal builds I've found that black Davies knobs look pretty damn gorgeous on a white panel. However, having the scales that small effectively restricts you to not being able to use anything other than Davies knobs (or maybe small MakeNoise knobs). Is that alright with everyone, or should I see if I can change the diameter to something a little larger?


My take on this is, I'll go along with Davies knobs. thumbs up applause applause
raisinbag
Well I often use the super cheapass knobs from tayda, they are rubbery and CHEAP! But I do have a whack of Make noise knobs so if you keep it lowprofile I'm fine with that as well. All I really want is pooploads of peeps to buy the white PCB panels so we can get them Bloody CHEAP. see the theme here thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up
qfactor
I'm interested in a panel too(Eurorack) if this goes thru!
On another note, is someone doing up the driver PCB that I can buy too?
And how about the main PCB? seriously, i just don't get it
Thanks! thumbs up
raisinbag
I'm pretty sure that Barcode and Logicgate have provided the files to have these made yourself from a PCB fab house. If you look at the main thread about this, I'm pretty certain that the files are all there, and someone could do another run. It looks like there would be enough people to do another group buy, and that would mean lots more panel buyers too!!! WOOT!
euromorcego
Quote:
It looks like there would be enough people to do another group buy, and that would mean lots more panel buyers too!

+1 ... i would certainly be interested in a panel if the pcbs are also available. Would make things a lot easier.

note added: the panel looks very good. Maybe the font of the "Living Memory ..." a bit smaller to make it more homogeneous. Great work.
LeftyLogic
qfactor wrote:
My take on this is, I'll go along with Davies knobs. thumbs up applause applause

raisinbag wrote:
Well I often use the super cheapass knobs from tayda, they are rubbery and CHEAP! But I do have a whack of Make noise knobs so if you keep it lowprofile I'm fine with that as well. All I really want is pooploads of peeps to buy the white PCB panels so we can get them Bloody CHEAP. see the theme here thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up

Alrighty, I'll keep the scales as they are then! thumbs up

qfactor wrote:
I'm interested in a panel too(Eurorack) if this goes thru!
On another note, is someone doing up the driver PCB that I can buy too?
And how about the main PCB? seriously, i just don't get it
Thanks! thumbs up

raisinbag wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Barcode and Logicgate have provided the files to have these made yourself from a PCB fab house. If you look at the main thread about this, I'm pretty certain that the files are all there, and someone could do another run. It looks like there would be enough people to do another group buy, and that would mean lots more panel buyers too!!! WOOT!

euromorcego wrote:
+1 ... i would certainly be interested in a panel if the pcbs are also available. Would make things a lot easier.

Well, if Logicgate and Barcode are okay with it, I'd be happy to run off a few PCB sets to go along with the panels! nanners They'll probably be a little bit more expensive than Barcode's run though, mostly because I doubt I'll hit as many price breaks as he did. lol

euromorcego wrote:
note added: the panel looks very good. Maybe the font of the "Living Memory ..." a bit smaller to make it more homogeneous. Great work.
Thanks! It's peanut butter jelly time! And good call on the font size. I changed it around and I like quite a bit better when it's a little smaller.

Does anyone else have any comments on the layout that they'd like to share? I'd like to get the design finalized by Saturday so I can get this opened up for orders, so speak now or forever hold your peace! thumbs up
Benjamin AM
I'm in for a panel
LeftyLogic
Well, I heard back from Barcode and Logicgate, and it looks as though I shall be doing a PCB run as well as a panel run! It's peanut butter jelly time!
Currently it looks like a set of 3 VCO PCBs and a Driver board will cost around $15, but--just like with the panels--that's liable to get lower if there's enough orders! thumbs up
jorsteinwiener
LeftyLogic wrote:
it looks as though I shall be doing a PCB run as well as a panel run! It's peanut butter jelly time!


Great news! I'm in for both.
qfactor
LeftyLogic wrote:
Well, I heard back from Barcode and Logicgate, and it looks as though I shall be doing a PCB run as well as a panel run! It's peanut butter jelly time!
Currently it looks like a set of 3 VCO PCBs and a Driver board will cost around $15, but--just like with the panels--that's liable to get lower if there's enough orders! thumbs up


Wonderful! Just say WHEN!! nanners
LeftyLogic
Alright, consider this thread open for orders! It's peanut butter jelly time!
I've updated the first post with details. thumbs up
euromorcego
great!

Quote:
Currently it looks like a set of 3 VCO PCBs and a Driver board will cost around $15, ...

$15 per pcb? $15 for a set of 3 VCO PCBs and a driver PCB sounds very little to me ...
spneca
PM'd.
LeftyLogic
euromorcego wrote:
great!

Quote:
Currently it looks like a set of 3 VCO PCBs and a Driver board will cost around $15, ...

$15 per pcb? $15 for a set of 3 VCO PCBs and a driver PCB sounds very little to me ...

Nope, $15 per set! Barcode and Logicgate shared the PCB files for anyone to use, just so long as nobody makes any profit off of selling them. So, since it looks like it'll cost me around $15 per set to have them made, that's precisely what I shall be charging! thumbs up
Stides
Count me in for 1 FR4 panel and 1 set of pcbs. I'll pm with paypal info.

This is fun!
spacedog
International orders: how much is the shipping?

P.S.: Sorry, but that font is ugly!
nd595
Aluminium FP and a set of PCB's please!
latigid on
PCB set + alu panel please!
TheDegenerateElite
Count me in for a white FR4 panel and one set of pcbs.
qfactor
PM'd thumbs up
baloo
PM'd applause
lamouette/rck
I'm in for 1 aluminuim panel, and 1 pcb set.

Add me to the list ! screaming goo yo
Monobass
spacedog wrote:
P.S.: Sorry, but that font is ugly!


Yeah I'd definitely be up for a panel if you'd consider also doing a run with a plainer font. I think you might get 5 times the amount of orders too.
Benjamin AM
I will buy a panel either way but I do agree that a more neutral font would be preferable.
baloo
Layout is the definitive one?
nickster
I in for a aluminium panel and set of PCB's please. nanners
LeftyLogic
nickster wrote:
I in for a aluminium panel and set of PCB's please. nanners

lamouette/rck wrote:
I'm in for 1 aluminuim panel, and 1 pcb set.

Add me to the list ! screaming goo yo

TheDegenerateElite wrote:
Count me in for a white FR4 panel and one set of pcbs.

latigid on wrote:
PCB set + alu panel please!

nd595 wrote:
Aluminium FP and a set of PCB's please!

Could you guys please send me a PM with your Paypal address and mailing address? I'd like to have everybody's information before I put them on the list, just to make sure I don't miss anyone. Thanks! It's peanut butter jelly time!

spacedog wrote:
International orders: how much is the shipping?

It looks like International shipping is going to be somewhere around $10 per order. thumbs up
I've gone ahead and updated the first post with shipping information.

And thanks everyone for the suggestions regarding the font! Would this version be any better?
patouuu
hi !!

1 fr4 panel + 1 pcbs set for me please.

many thx
patouuu
.
spacedog
Aluminium FP and a set of PCB's please!

The new font is better, but take a look at this:

http://www.baud-rate.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/livinig_vco01 .jpg
baloo
Guinness ftw!
euromorcego
i think the original font was fine. A bit unusual sure, but it gave the whole thing very a unique touch. I think the second version is worse, in particular the smaller sized heading ('Driver' and 'Oscillator').

And I would make the larger fonts still a bit smaller. In both versions. Unfortunately, it probably would have to be a very plain font to get approval of a majority. I go for panel and pcb set anyway (will send PM shortly).
LektroiD
Hi, I showed interest for an aluminium panel, but I'm not in the list. Do I need to pay now to be counted in?
Stides
I agree that the font is unique. If folks don't like they can start a new panel.. Choice is good Mr. Green
Randy
Stides wrote:
I agree that the font is unique. If folks don't like they can start a new panel.. Choice is good Mr. Green


That's what I'm doing, 9mm pots, 30hp panel, font is Calibri.

http://www.modulargrid.net/e/other-unknown-living-vco-prototype-panel-

Randy
bugfight
me2 post,
i also like the font on page one
LeftyLogic
spacedog wrote:
Aluminium FP and a set of PCB's please!

The new font is better, but take a look at this:

http://www.baud-rate.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/livinig_vco01 .jpg

euromorcego wrote:
i think the original font was fine. A bit unusual sure, but it gave the whole thing very a unique touch. I think the second version is worse, in particular the smaller sized heading ('Driver' and 'Oscillator').

And I would make the larger fonts still a bit smaller. In both versions. Unfortunately, it probably would have to be a very plain font to get approval of a majority. I go for panel and pcb set anyway (will send PM shortly).

Stides wrote:
I agree that the font is unique. If folks don't like they can start a new panel.. Choice is good Mr. Green

bugfight wrote:
me2 post,
i also like the font on page one

Thanks everyone for the additional opinions on the font! After thinking about it for a while, I've decided to follow the old guideline of "If you try to please everybody, you'll end up pleasing nobody" and go with the original layout as posted on page 1 of this thread. (With a few tweaks here and there, as I seem to have accidentally overwritten that version. d'oh! I'll try and get the picture updated sometime tomorrow) However, I'm going to go ahead and post my FPD file for the second, "plain(er)-font" version of the panel, so if anyone wants to order it from there, or use it to make a paperface panel, that's perfectly fine with me! I'll try and get that file up tomorrow as well.

LektroiD wrote:
Hi, I showed interest for an aluminium panel, but I'm not in the list. Do I need to pay now to be counted in?

Sorry about that! No need to pay just yet, but I would appreciate it if you'd send me your paypal address and your mailing address, as I would like to get all of that on file as soon as possible to avoid delays later on. Thanks very much for your interest! It's peanut butter jelly time!

Also, could everyone else who's expressed interest solely in this thread please send me a PM with your paypal and mailing information?

Thanks!
Seth
spacedog
FPD file = 8_) applause
patouuu
hey !!

1 panel + 1 pcb set

many thx !!
LektroiD
LeftyLogic wrote:

LektroiD wrote:
Hi, I showed interest for an aluminium panel, but I'm not in the list. Do I need to pay now to be counted in?

Sorry about that! No need to pay just yet, but I would appreciate it if you'd send me your paypal address and your mailing address, as I would like to get all of that on file as soon as possible to avoid delays later on. Thanks very much for your interest! It's peanut butter jelly time!


Hi, Paypal info sent, sorry I didn't realise I had to do that or I would have sent it sooner...

Many thanks wink
LeftyLogic
Great news everyone! Just got my 10th confirmed order for the aluminum panels, so it looks like both options are definitely going to happen! It's peanut butter jelly time!
Also, here's the FPD file for the alternate panel design. Feel free to do whatever you want with it for personal use, but I would rather people not use it commercially.

Thanks!
Seth
spacedog
Thank you! 8_)
synthcube
isn't this counter to the community efforts to protect and secure JH intellectual property in order to perhaps benefit his estate?

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1711526#1711526
LektroiD
synthcube wrote:
isn't this counter to the community efforts to protect and secure JH intellectual property in order to perhaps benefit his estate?

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1711526#1711526


JH didn't design a panel, and the legalities of the PCB has been discussed at length on the PCB thread
livefreela
hey lefty, id be in for an aluminum board and pcb set if youre still running the tally! thx kindly...
synthcube
Panels sit on top of pcbs and any pcbs produced without regard for the JH estate take away from the eventual sales of the pcbs that do benefit his children. Otherwise the value of your work as a pcb designer has no value, either before or after your death, IP laws not withstanding.

We could do full runs of all the JH designs and offer pcbs, kits and assembled modules at cost as group buys. But then not a penny goes to his legacy and his work is just public domain. We choose not to do so.
valis
LektroiD wrote:
synthcube wrote:
isn't this counter to the community efforts to protect and secure JH intellectual property in order to perhaps benefit his estate?

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1711526#1711526


JH didn't design a panel, and the legalities of the PCB has been discussed at length on the PCB thread


Legality or morality? When JH died there was a consensus within the DIY community to wait to produce JH's circuits until we could find a way for the sales to go to his estate and his children who were left without a father. I thought this would be a great legacy and a fantastic tribute from the community that he contributed so much to. This isn't some forty year old buchla clone that has long been out of production while the company trudged on, it's taking money from his estate and going against the noble sentiment and what was stated when he passed. This is selfish and shameful.

If that's all cool with you all then it's on you..
synthcube
In the related thread we have offered to set up at our expense a trust for his children and mechanism to capture some group buy proceeds... Win win the designs get out in quantity and his children gain some residual value from his work
sduck
Please keep all discussion about ethics and legality etc. in this thread - https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124880
gianni
Please put me on the list for 1 FR4 panel + 1 PCB set
thumbs up
ThecureForSin
I would be interested in a PCB set and Aluminum panel.
synthcube
been thinking a LOT about this and figure best way at least for now to honor the JH legacy is to support a cool DIY run like this one. We're in for two sets (natural aluminum panels) +PCBs

thanks for putting it together
ThecureForSin
synthcube wrote:
been thinking a LOT about this and figure best way at least for now to honor the JH legacy is to support a cool DIY run like this one. We're in for two sets (natural aluminum panels) +PCBs

thanks for putting it together


screaming goo yo

Dustin swayed any doubts I was having.
gwaidan
Looks great!
LeftyLogic
Hey everyone, in light of recent events in this thread and the ethics thread, there are a couple of things that I would like to say. When I first calculated pricing for the panels, I added a small amount on top of the material costs ($5 for the FR4 panels and $10 for the Aluminum) which was to serve as compensation for the time I put into designing the panels. However, after reading through the ethics thread and the threads linked to therein, I realized that that decision was in severely poor taste. So, I have decided to remove that extra cost entirely. From now on, the final price of the panels will be exactly equal to the cost of the materials. So, taking that and the current number of orders into account, the cost of the FR4 panels is now $15 per panel, and the cost of the Aluminum panels is now $45 per panel. (However, the price of the Aluminum version will likely fluctuate somewhat; I have yet to get a quote for the current revision of the panel.) The PCBs themselves have always been priced at the exact cost of having them manufactured, so for the moment they will remain at $15 per set. However, with the rate that new orders for these are coming in, I'm hoping that I will be able to get that down to something closer to $10 per set relatively soon.

In closing, I would like to thank everyone very very much for your continued interest and support, and would also like to apologize for not just pricing the panels at material cost in the first place.

Seth
LeftyLogic
gianni wrote:
Please put me on the list for 1 FR4 panel + 1 PCB set
thumbs up

ThecureForSin wrote:
I would be interested in a PCB set and Aluminum panel.

synthcube wrote:
been thinking a LOT about this and figure best way at least for now to honor the JH legacy is to support a cool DIY run like this one. We're in for two sets (natural aluminum panels) +PCBs

thanks for putting it together

Thanks for ordering, guys! I'll get you added to the list! Could each of you please send me a PM containing your Paypal and mailing addresses so I don't lose track of anyone?

Thanks!
Seth
latigid on
It's cool with me if you get a set or two for free as compensation for your efforts 8_)
olga42
Great work!

Ethics and such, while being important, I'd still like to see Jürgen's work still being out there and available.

I'm in with a PM for 3x alu panels and 3x PCB sets. Took me a whole New York minute to think about it. Thank you for your efforts! Guinness ftw!
c1t1zen
I'm in for one of each panel and two pcb sets.

After I build them I can decide which panel I like more. thumbs up
gianni
I PM'd you.

Thank you so much for your effort!
synthcube
LeftyLogic wrote:
Hey everyone, in light of recent events in this thread and the ethics thread, there are a couple of things that I would like to say. When I first calculated pricing for the panels, I added a small amount on top of the material costs ($5 for the FR4 panels and $10 for the Aluminum) which was to serve as compensation for the time I put into designing the panels. However, after reading through the ethics thread and the threads linked to therein, I realized that that decision was in severely poor taste. So, I have decided to remove that extra cost entirely. From now on, the final price of the panels will be exactly equal to the cost of the materials. So, taking that and the current number of orders into account, the cost of the FR4 panels is now $15 per panel, and the cost of the Aluminum panels is now $45 per panel. (However, the price of the Aluminum version will likely fluctuate somewhat; I have yet to get a quote for the current revision of the panel.) The PCBs themselves have always been priced at the exact cost of having them manufactured, so for the moment they will remain at $15 per set. However, with the rate that new orders for these are coming in, I'm hoping that I will be able to get that down to something closer to $10 per set relatively soon.

In closing, I would like to thank everyone very very much for your continued interest and support, and would also like to apologize for not just pricing the panels at material cost in the first place.

Seth


A) that is totally cool and totally consistent with the spirit of this community
B) having run group buys in the past, if we can offer some advice, be sure to account for the inbound shipping in your costs (can be quite high for heavy panels or overseas PCB producers) . Also account for the cost of your packaging materials ( tape, labels, envelopes, bubble wrap etc)
Good luck!
gbiz
Alu panel & PCB set for me please.
PM sent.
Guinness ftw!
Randy
latigid on wrote:
It's cool with me if you get a set or two for free as compensation for your efforts 8_)


Yup, +1 on this. The amount of effort required to put this together, get everything in, re-package it all and send it out will be substantial. Don't hesitate to reward yourself a little something for doing all of this.

Randy
LektroiD
Hi, I'm definitely in for an aluminium panel as already noted. I would also like to add a White PCB panel and full PCB set to the order please.

In other words, please change my order from:
[LektroiD] [0] [1] [0]
to
[LektroiD] [1] [1] [1]

Many thanks smile
sceledra
I'll take an aluminum panel.
sceledra
I'll take an aluminum panel.
daverj
If there is enough interest in aluminum panels you should consider using MetalPhoto of Cincinnati. Because of the setup charge they are not cost effective for a couple of panels, but by the time you go past 10 panels they are much cheaper than FPE and look nicer.
euromorcego
PM'd.

And thanks for the effort! looking forward to build one of these ... and i agree with others above: it is absolutely ok (and even recommended) to have a bit buffer in the calculations to cover unexpected expenses, packing materials and all that.
negativspace
daverj wrote:
If there is enough interest in aluminum panels you should consider using MetalPhoto of Cincinnati. Because of the setup charge they are not cost effective for a couple of panels, but by the time you go past 10 panels they are much cheaper than FPE and look nicer.


I bolded part of this statement which I believe is highly debatable... however the rest of it is spot-on. hihi

(To me Metalphoto cannot compete with FPE in aesthetics... the engraved, hand-painted panels on thicker stock with a better finish are superior in every way. Except price.)
finnurbjarna
PM'd for panel and board.
eelco
I'm definitely interested in one (aluminium) panel, and a PCB set. Will send PM.
daverj
negativspace wrote:
daverj wrote:
If there is enough interest in aluminum panels you should consider using MetalPhoto of Cincinnati. Because of the setup charge they are not cost effective for a couple of panels, but by the time you go past 10 panels they are much cheaper than FPE and look nicer.


I bolded part of this statement which I believe is highly debatable... however the rest of it is spot-on. hihi

(To me Metalphoto cannot compete with FPE in aesthetics... the engraved, hand-painted panels on thicker stock with a better finish are superior in every way. Except price.)


I guess it depends on your aesthetic sense. The FPE engravings have a nice 3D kind of look, with colored paint filled engravings cut into the metal. On the other hand because of the tools used they can't have the same kind of sharp detail in graphics and small text that MetalPhoto can have (which can even have grayscale and photographs in the panel)
LeftyLogic
Alright. So since everyone seems to be okay with it, and since I had completely forgotten about ordering spares, I have decided to go back to my original plan of charging slightly more for the panels than the cost of having them manufactured. However, due to the number of orders I've been receiving over the past couple of days, I'm still going to be able to leave the prices at $15 for the FR4 panels and $45 for the Aluminum panels! Even better, for the PCB sets I was able to switch over to a different board house that offers better price breaks, so the PCB sets are now down to $10 apiece, and they're even gold plated!

daverj wrote:
If there is enough interest in aluminum panels you should consider using MetalPhoto of Cincinnati. Because of the setup charge they are not cost effective for a couple of panels, but by the time you go past 10 panels they are much cheaper than FPE and look nicer.

negativspace wrote:
daverj wrote:
If there is enough interest in aluminum panels you should consider using MetalPhoto of Cincinnati. Because of the setup charge they are not cost effective for a couple of panels, but by the time you go past 10 panels they are much cheaper than FPE and look nicer.


I bolded part of this statement which I believe is highly debatable... however the rest of it is spot-on. hihi

(To me Metalphoto cannot compete with FPE in aesthetics... the engraved, hand-painted panels on thicker stock with a better finish are superior in every way. Except price.)

Getting the aluminum panels from MPC has actually been the plan the whole time; with this design it would cost something on the order of $200 per panel to get them done by front panel express! Dead Banana By the way, since it sounds like you guys have dealt with MPC before, do you have any suggestions for what tolerances, file types, and things like that I should use? I sent them a DXF file I exported from FPD for a quote on an earlier version of the panel, but I wasn't sure if that was the best way to do it. Thanks!

c1t1zen wrote:
I'm in for one of each panel and two pcb sets.

After I build them I can decide which panel I like more. thumbs up

sceledra wrote:
I'll take an aluminum panel.

Thanks guys! Could each of you please send me a PM containing your PayPal address and your mailing address?

Oh, and just so everyone knows, I have quite a lot of schoolwork to do in the next couple of days, (Chem test. zombie ) so I won't be able to respond to PMs or update the order list on the first page until this weekend. If I've already responded to your PM but your name isn't on the list yet, don't worry, I have you written down on my computer. If I've responded to you and your name still isn't on the list by Monday, please send me a PM and I'll get you added!
(Also, remind me not to dick around with fancy colors for what people have ordered on future runs. That stuff is time consuming! MY ASS IS BLEEDING )

Seth
daverj
LeftyLogic wrote:
By the way, since it sounds like you guys have dealt with MPC before, do you have any suggestions for what tolerances, file types, and things like that I should use? I sent them a DXF file I exported from FPD for a quote on an earlier version of the panel, but I wasn't sure if that was the best way to do it. Thanks!


I usually send them a blueprint style drawing in DXF that shows the holes and all dimensions (specified relative to one corner of the panel), plus any tolerances and other specifications. I then send them an Adobe Illustrator file for the graphics if they are all line drawings and text, or a Photoshop file if the graphics are grayscale and photographic style. On those I include center marks for all holes on the graphics layer, and a non-print layer showing the hole sizes. That allows them to verify the alignment of the two drawings.

Since I don't use AutoCAD much anymore I am going to try my next panel purely using Illustrator, with the dimensions on a non-print layer. We'll see how that goes.
julian
daverj wrote:

I guess it depends on your aesthetic sense. The FPE engravings have a nice 3D kind of look, with colored paint filled engravings cut into the metal. On the other hand because of the tools used they can't have the same kind of sharp detail in graphics and small text that MetalPhoto can have (which can even have grayscale and photographs in the panel)


How fine do you want to go?



That panel was not cut by FPD, but its an example of the detail possible with CNC rotary engraving.

Indeed, there's another process, called "diamond drag" which can go much finer again (indeed, finer than print could achieve) but then you are not able to use infill colour, so are limited* to two colours (the anodising colour, and the silver cut).

*limited as in du-colour - same as metal photo.
daverj
julian wrote:
daverj wrote:

I guess it depends on your aesthetic sense. The FPE engravings have a nice 3D kind of look, with colored paint filled engravings cut into the metal. On the other hand because of the tools used they can't have the same kind of sharp detail in graphics and small text that MetalPhoto can have (which can even have grayscale and photographs in the panel)


How fine do you want to go?


When I asked them last week, they said MetalPhoto is done at 2400 dpi (about 1/100 mm). That's pretty sharp.
negativspace
daverj wrote:
I guess it depends on your aesthetic sense. The FPE engravings have a nice 3D kind of look, with colored paint filled engravings cut into the metal. On the other hand because of the tools used they can't have the same kind of sharp detail in graphics and small text that MetalPhoto can have (which can even have grayscale and photographs in the panel)


Well, of course... all aesthetic judgements are by their nature subjective. And you're right about the extra capabilities of the Metalphoto process vs. CNC engraving. You can do basically anything with MPC and you're limited to line work for the most part using FPE, although there are a few tricks you can use to get things like large black infill areas, etc.

I do all of my panel design in FPD, have prototypes cut, and then transfer the graphics to Illustrator for MPC when they're ready for production. So for every module I make I end up with a couple of FPE panels and a mess of MPC panels all with the same artwork. Like-for-like, the same design on both panels, the FPE versions are just plain better. (Subjectively!)

In any event it's not an issue for this product, if you go over 10 pieces FPE makes no sense. (Like you said.)

Lefty, I had a software glitch a couple of years ago with the FPD software and it would not export anything other than PDFs for me. I worked it out with MPC's graphic dept. such that I would send them my raw FPE files and they'd get them ported to their preferred format. I wouldn't suggest making them do that, of course, but my point is that they're familiar with FPD artwork and can handle whatever you send 'em.
DJBRUTAL
LeftyLogic, have you considered moving the FM knob above the Pulse Width and PWM knobs so as to be consistent with the inputs (FM above PWM)?
drip.feed
DJBRUTAL wrote:
LeftyLogic, have you considered moving the FM knob above the Pulse Width and PWM knobs so as to be consistent with the inputs (FM above PWM)?

It would actually be more practical to swap the PWM and FM jacks because the pots are board-mounted and are therefore in that order.
LektroiD
Any news on this yet?
LeftyLogic
LektroiD wrote:
Any news on this yet?

Yup! Sorry I disappeared for so long. In the process of getting caught up on Chemistry, I got a couple of lessons behind on Trig. It's been a long weekend. Dead Banana
Anyway, I'm going to get everyone's PMs responded to tonight, but I'm not going to be able to get the order list on page 1 updated until tomorrow. So as I said the other day, don't worry if you're not shown on the order list; if you've sent me a PM and I've responded to it, I've got you on a list on my computer. thumbs up
Also, (aside from a couple of people I haven't responded to yet) current totals are 23 FR4 panels, 23 Aluminum panels, and 51 PCB sets! It's peanut butter jelly time!
daverj wrote:
I usually send them a blueprint style drawing in DXF that shows the holes and all dimensions (specified relative to one corner of the panel), plus any tolerances and other specifications. I then send them an Adobe Illustrator file for the graphics if they are all line drawings and text, or a Photoshop file if the graphics are grayscale and photographic style. On those I include center marks for all holes on the graphics layer, and a non-print layer showing the hole sizes. That allows them to verify the alignment of the two drawings.

Since I don't use AutoCAD much anymore I am going to try my next panel purely using Illustrator, with the dimensions on a non-print layer. We'll see how that goes.

negativspace wrote:
Well, of course... all aesthetic judgements are by their nature subjective. And you're right about the extra capabilities of the Metalphoto process vs. CNC engraving. You can do basically anything with MPC and you're limited to line work for the most part using FPE, although there are a few tricks you can use to get things like large black infill areas, etc.

I do all of my panel design in FPD, have prototypes cut, and then transfer the graphics to Illustrator for MPC when they're ready for production. So for every module I make I end up with a couple of FPE panels and a mess of MPC panels all with the same artwork. Like-for-like, the same design on both panels, the FPE versions are just plain better. (Subjectively!)

In any event it's not an issue for this product, if you go over 10 pieces FPE makes no sense. (Like you said.)

Lefty, I had a software glitch a couple of years ago with the FPD software and it would not export anything other than PDFs for me. I worked it out with MPC's graphic dept. such that I would send them my raw FPE files and they'd get them ported to their preferred format. I wouldn't suggest making them do that, of course, but my point is that they're familiar with FPD artwork and can handle whatever you send 'em.

Thanks very much for the tips! I really appreciate them. It's peanut butter jelly time! I think what I'll end up doing is sending in a DXF file for the mechanical dimensions and a PDF or something for the graphics. I'd use an SVG, but unfortunately it looks like FPD's SVG exporter is borked in the current mac version. very frustrating
Oh by the way, it looks like MPC's default default tolerances are +-.015" for both the panel size/hole placement and graphics placement. Is this okay, or should I ask for something tighter?

DJBRUTAL wrote:
LeftyLogic, have you considered moving the FM knob above the Pulse Width and PWM knobs so as to be consistent with the inputs (FM above PWM)?

drip.feed wrote:
It would actually be more practical to swap the PWM and FM jacks because the pots are board-mounted and are therefore in that order.

Yeah, I would have loved to have been able to swap the knob positions around, but as drip.feed said, the pots are mounted straight to the PCB, so there's not much I can do. I did swap the inputs around though! I'll get the picture updated sometime tomorrow afternoon. w00t

Anyway, I'm really sorry for making everyone wait for the past couple of days. Fortunately it looks like I'm just about caught up on homework, so I should be able to be quite a bit speedier with responses in this coming week.

Thanks everyone!
Seth
latigid on
All good! Did we get to the $35 price break for Al panels yet?
LeftyLogic
latigid on wrote:
All good! Did we get to the $35 price break for Al panels yet?

I'm not entirely sure yet. The estimates on the first page are based off of a quote I got for an earlier revision of the panel, so I'm pretty sure we're either at the price break or pretty darn close, but I want to wait til I get a new quote before I can say for sure.
negativspace
LeftyLogic wrote:

Oh by the way, it looks like MPC's default default tolerances are +-.015" for both the panel size/hole placement and graphics placement. Is this okay, or should I ask for something tighter?


You know, for the first 2 years or so that I did business with them that seemed to be perfectly OK, but then their consistency took a bit of a nosedive to be honest. I ask them for a .005" tolerance (which is their upgraded option) and when I do the results are again very consistent.

It does cost a little extra, though. In my case I was experiencing up to a 20% reject rate on misaligned or miscut panels so the extra cost actually saves me money. The reject rate for the .005s is negligible and is usually random stuff like dings on the edges from shipping or a random ink blot here or there. (Which I accept as legitimate errors and not as major process-control problems like the 20% extreme-misalignment rate.)
drip.feed
negativspace wrote:
The reject rate for the .005s is negligible and is usually random stuff like dings on the edges from shipping or a random ink blot here or there. (Which I accept as legitimate errors and not as major process-control problems like the 20% extreme-misalignment rate.)

Out of interest, what do you do about rejects? Does MPC refund you?
drip.feed
Here is a slightly less elaborate panel in case anyone wants it. It is a lot cheaper to get engraved if that's the way you want to go.

the bad producer
I'm planning to panel mine in 4U to go with my others - here's hoping I can subtly tweak the design to take advantage of the PCB mounted pots! Thanks for sorting this out lefty logic!


drip.feed
the bad producer wrote:
I'm planning to panel mine in 4U to go with my others - here's hoping I can subtly tweak the design to take advantage of the PCB mounted pots! Thanks for sorting this out lefty logic!

As always, I'm dying to see how that turns out. we're not worthy
LeftyLogic
Okay, everything on the first page is updated and all outstanding PMs are responded to! At this point, if you're not on the list in the second post and think you should be, send me a PM and I'll get you added! thumbs up

negativspace wrote:
You know, for the first 2 years or so that I did business with them that seemed to be perfectly OK, but then their consistency took a bit of a nosedive to be honest. I ask them for a .005" tolerance (which is their upgraded option) and when I do the results are again very consistent.

It does cost a little extra, though. In my case I was experiencing up to a 20% reject rate on misaligned or miscut panels so the extra cost actually saves me money. The reject rate for the .005s is negligible and is usually random stuff like dings on the edges from shipping or a random ink blot here or there. (Which I accept as legitimate errors and not as major process-control problems like the 20% extreme-misalignment rate.)

Thanks very much! I do believe I'm going to ask for the .005" option. Having to charge enough to cover 20% more panels than I need really isn't something I want to do. Dead Banana (And then there's the question of what in the sam hill would I do with all the rejects!? dizzy)

the bad producer wrote:
I'm planning to panel mine in 4U to go with my others - here's hoping I can subtly tweak the design to take advantage of the PCB mounted pots! Thanks for sorting this out lefty logic!

That's a fantastic layout! I really like how you're using arrows instead of text in some places. Can't wait to see what you come up with for the new ones! It's peanut butter jelly time!

Seth
regenbot
d'oh! EDIT: read the instructions, I'll PM you thumbs up

Hi, I'd like to get a pcb set if possible?
frozenkore
Ooo, panels grin. Two aluminum please.
LeftyLogic
regenbot wrote:
d'oh! EDIT: read the instructions, I'll PM you thumbs up

Hi, I'd like to get a pcb set if possible?

Alright, got you on the list! thumbs up
frozenkore wrote:
Ooo, panels grin. Two aluminum please.

Could you please send me a PM with your Paypal and shipping information? Thanks!

Seth
Hkg_phooey
LeftyLogic
I'm sending pm for 2 FR4 panels and 2 sets pcbs. Thanks.
LeftyLogic
Alright, time for a quick bump and quantity update! Current totals are 34 FR4 panels, 29 Aluminum panels, and 69 PCB sets. As a result, the price on the PCB sets has gone down to $8 apiece! It's peanut butter jelly time!

Also, I'm going to send MPC a request for a new quote tomorrow, so I should have a good estimate on how much the aluminum panels are going to cost by the middle of next week. Thanks very much to daverj and negativspace for the tips on dealing with MPC!

Seth
DJBRUTAL
Would it be possible to move the oscillator track/free switches down just a bit so as to be inline with the sine output of oscillator 1?
raisinbag
Hey lefty that's great I'll mostlikely bump my order up then wink. I'm going to have to make a case just for my LVCO's
LeftyLogic
DJBRUTAL wrote:
Would it be possible to move the oscillator track/free switches down just a bit so as to be inline with the sine output of oscillator 1?

Theoretically, yes, but doing so causes some whitespace balancing issues that I don't really like the looks of. Thanks for the input though! w00t

raisinbag wrote:
Hey lefty that's great I'll mostlikely bump my order up then wink. I'm going to have to make a case just for my LVCO's

Alright, sweet! Just tell me what all you want and I'll get the list updated. thumbs up
And jeez, stuff a couple of Manhattan Analog SVVCFs in that case and you'll have the thickest bassline generator this side of a vintage moog! MY ASS IS BLEEDING
qfactor
So, will this be in time for Christmas, so I can tell the wife what I need for Chritmas present? Mr. Green
CrysWiz
i'm in for 4 pcb sets, thanx~
LeftyLogic
qfactor wrote:
So, will this be in time for Christmas, so I can tell the wife what I need for Chritmas present? Mr. Green

Well, I'm planning on getting everything ordered in the first week of December, so... Maybe. I have no idea how long it'll take for everything to get made though, so I'd more bet on it being early to mid January before I'm able to get everything sent out. But again, I have absolutely no idea how long manufacturing will take, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see. seriously, i just don't get it
CrysWiz wrote:
i'm in for 4 pcb sets, thanx~

Alright, got you on the list! Thanks for the PM. thumbs up
ppccdd
PM send for order (and to raise post count)
patouuu
hey Seth !!

can change

[patouuu] [1] [0] [1]

in

[patouuu] [2] [0] [2]

many thx
jh0n
I'm in for one PCB set and one aluminum panel - thanks!
LeftyLogic
patouuu wrote:
hey Seth !!

can change

[patouuu] [1] [0] [1]

in

[patouuu] [2] [0] [2]

many thx

Absolutely! Thank you for your interest! thumbs up
ppccdd wrote:
PM send for order (and to raise post count)

jh0n wrote:
I'm in for one PCB set and one aluminum panel - thanks!

Alrighty, I've got you guys added to the list! Thanks for the PMs!

Again, could anyone who's solely expressed their interest in this thread please send me a PM with your paypal address and your mailing (i.e. real world) address? I'd prefer to have everyone's information before adding them to the list. Thanks!

Also, here's an update on totals: Right now we're up to 42 FR4 panels, 35 Aluminum panels and 96 PCB sets! (So does anyone want to order 4 more? lol )

Seth
Randy
92 PCB sets! And this is for the second 'round!? Wow!

Randy
latigid on
And this is 96*(3+1) boards!
qfactor
eek!
LED-man
1 pcb set please
negativspace
Lefty, dunno why I never mentioned this but I do want a set of the PCBs.
spacedog
LeftyLogic wrote:


Also, here's an update on totals: Right now we're up to 42 FR4 panels, 35 Aluminum panels and 96 PCB sets! (So does anyone want to order 4 more? lol )

Seth


hihi
change my order from 1 FR4 panel 1 PCB set to 2 FR4 panel 2 PCB sets please!
lamouette/rck
Same here !

change my order from 1 aluminuim panel 1 PCB set to 2 aluminium panel 2 PCB sets please! applause
Isaiah
Sent a PM ordering 2 sets of PCBs.

Can you publish the schematics for the PCBs, please?
I know JH's schematics are available, but there are extra wave shapers on the VCO PCBs.
Also, could you publish a diagram displaying the PCB dimensions and where the mounting holes are located (metric or imperial), please?
I guess the mounting holes are 3mm diameter, right?
Thanks to all involved for making this set available, not least Herr Haible (RIP.)
raisinbag
Here is original thread, it should all be in here:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93892&highlight=livi ng+vco
Isaiah
raisinbag
Thanks, I had clicked [All] and searched for a few terms, but couldn't find the information I was after.
Maybe I missed it...
tekzon
Hey!
could someone point me on the right bom and the build thread or the build manual if there's one?

Thanks a lot
LeftyLogic
Isaiah wrote:
Sent a PM ordering 2 sets of PCBs.

Can you publish the schematics for the PCBs, please?
I know JH's schematics are available, but there are extra wave shapers on the VCO PCBs.
Also, could you publish a diagram displaying the PCB dimensions and where the mounting holes are located (metric or imperial), please?
I guess the mounting holes are 3mm diameter, right?
Thanks to all involved for making this set available, not least Herr Haible (RIP.)

Alright, got your PM, thanks! I actually don't have the schematics for these PCBs; I'm using the GERBER files that Barcode posted on page 42 of the original thread. You might send him or Logicgate a pm to see if they have the schematic. thumbs up It looks as though the PCBs are around 99 by 62mm, but that's just me eyeballing it with a ruler. They're meant to be mounted perpendicular to the panel via the pots, which are 20mm apart and are compatible with either 9mm or 16mm variants, but there are also two 3mm mounting holes on the other end of the board. The mounting holes seem to be 1.75 mm from the top/bottom of the board and 1.5mm from the side, but that's just an estimate.

tekzon wrote:
Hey!
could someone point me on the right bom and the build thread or the build manual if there's one?

Thanks a lot

As far as I can tell, the correct BOMs are on page 41 of the original thread, and the build thread's here. thumbs up

spacedog wrote:
hihi
change my order from 1 FR4 panel 1 PCB set to 2 FR4 panel 2 PCB sets please!

lamouette/rck wrote:
Same here !

change my order from 1 aluminuim panel 1 PCB set to 2 aluminium panel 2 PCB sets please! applause

Okay, got your orders updated! It's motherfucking bacon yo
negativspace wrote:
Lefty, dunno why I never mentioned this but I do want a set of the PCBs.

LED-man wrote:
1 pcb set please

I just sent each of you a PM. Thanks for your interest!
evengravy
Can I order 2 pcb sets, don't need the panels.

I didn't see any details of payment method, paypal?

Thanks

Edit. Hell, put me down for two alu panels too, why not
2 pcb sets 2 panels alu
LeftyLogic
evengravy wrote:
Can I order 2 pcb sets, don't need the panels.

I didn't see any details of payment method, paypal?

Thanks

Edit. Hell, put me down for two alu panels too, why not
2 pcb sets 2 panels alu

Ok, got you on the list! Thanks for the PM.
Payment is gonna be over paypal; I'll send you an invoice at the end of the ordering period. thumbs up

We're now up to 49 FR4 panels, 40 Aluminum panels, and 113 PCB sets! w00t
Just checked pricing again, and the PCB sets are now going to be $7 apiece! hyper

Seth
qfactor
The Chewbacca Defense
extinguish
PM'd!
fracinfrucer
Can these be built in +-15? For $7, maybe I should just buy and worry about that later? hihi
LeftyLogic
fracinfrucer wrote:
Can these be built in +-15? For $7, maybe I should just buy and worry about that later? hihi

The original circuit was actually designed for 15V operation, so I'm pretty sure it'll work. However, I know a few things got changed from the original BOM to get it to work on +-12V, so you might ask Barcode or logicgate what all that was.
Either way, they had darn well better work on +-15, cause that's how I'm planning on building mine! hihi
greeensmaaan
Thanks so much for this! Going to be my first module and I can't wait to figure out what to compliment it with SlayerBadger!
synchromesh
Hi, I'd like 3 of the FR4 panels please! thumbs up

Thanks very much for doing this for us! It's peanut butter jelly time!

Any news on the pricing of the aluminium panels?
LeftyLogic
greeensmaaan wrote:
Thanks so much for this! Going to be my first module and I can't wait to figure out what to compliment it with SlayerBadger!

Well, even though I don't have one myself, (yet!) I'm willing to bet a Manhattan Analog SVVCF would sound pretty well amazing with these VCOs. Good luck with the build!
synchromesh wrote:
Hi, I'd like 3 of the FR4 panels please! thumbs up

Thanks very much for doing this for us! It's peanut butter jelly time!

Any news on the pricing of the aluminium panels?

Alrighty! I sent you a PM. w00t
I sent a quote request in to MPC last monday, but they haven't gotten back to me yet. very frustrating I'm going to send them an email about it tonight.

Current totals are: 58 FR4 panels, 45 Aluminum panels, and 131 PCB sets! Also, there is one week left in the ordering period, so if you want in, now's the time! screaming goo yo

Seth
jdkee
One PCB and one aluminum panel. PM sent.
billsship
Sent you a PM.
2 sets of pcbs, 1 aluminum panel
evengravy
SlayerBadger!
Kunfuz
PM'd for a pcb set and a FR4 panel!
Mindarp
Pm'ed for 2 complete sets of pcb's and 2 white panels
LeftyLogic
Hey everyone! I don't have a lot of time to be on here tonight so I'm not going to be able to get any PMs responded to until tomorrow morning, but I'd like to announce that I got a new quote from MPC and the Aluminum panels are now down to $30 apiece! It's peanut butter jelly time!

Seth
Jop
Quote:
panels are now down to $30 apiece!


That's great news Seth!
kalda341
Looks amazing! How is it so cheap?
kalda341
Where can I find a parts list for this?
gwaidan
1 Aluminium panel and Board set for me, thanks!
magneticstripper
2 Al panels.
1 FR4 panel.
Please.
Randy
kalda341 wrote:
Where can I find a parts list for this?


https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=117137&postdays=0&po storder=asc&start=30

Randy
LeftyLogic
kalda341 wrote:
Looks amazing! How is it so cheap?

Thanks! The cost is almost entirely down to the quantity ordered. So you guys only have yourselves to thank for how cheap everything's gotten! applause
gwaidan wrote:
1 Aluminium panel and Board set for me, thanks!

Alrighty, got you on the list! Thanks for the PM. thumbs up
magneticstripper wrote:
2 Al panels.
1 FR4 panel.
Please.

Sent you a PM!

Current totals are: 63 FR4 panels, 52 Aluminum panels, and 145 PCB sets; and the PCB sets are now ~$6 apiece! eek!
pre55ure
Sent a PM, but maybe it didn't make it there.

Im in for 1 set of PCB's please!

Thanks.
Skorn
LeftyLogic
I'm in for 1 PCB set and 1 FR4 Panel. Thanks.
pulse_divider
Pm sent, I'd like 3 each of the pcb sets and aluminum panels
ndkent
[3][0][3]
PMed
LeftyLogic
Hey everyone! I am extremely sorry that I haven't been able to reply to PMs or update the list for the past few days. My grandparents came over for Thanksgiving, and I haven't even had time to turn on my computer all weekend.
But, my grandparents left this morning, so I am officially back! I'll get everyone responded to shortly!

Again, sorry for my absence.
Seth
finnurbjarna
Sounds blissful - hope you've had a good one.

I can't speak for anyone else but my fledgling modular seems to be always hungry, no matter how much I feed it, so I think the wait will not harm it... hihi
euromorcego
Quote:
and the PCB sets are now ~$6 apiece

that is not much indeed. Make sure you add some buffer to cover any unforeseen expenses (also packing material, etc ...). If there is something left at the end you can still always donate it to some worthy cause (along the lines of the original idea).
thetwlo
Bump!
looks like last call!
just changed my order from [0] [2] [2] to [0] [5] [5] !!

THANKS FOR DOING THIS!!!!
LeftyLogic
finnurbjarna wrote:
Sounds blissful - hope you've had a good one.

I can't speak for anyone else but my fledgling modular seems to be always hungry, no matter how much I feed it, so I think the wait will not harm it... hihi

Thank you! It certainly was a good holiday.
And I know exactly what you mean. I can't even begin to imagine what mine's gonna be like 10 years from now. MY ASS IS BLEEDING
euromorcego wrote:

that is not much indeed. Make sure you add some buffer to cover any unforeseen expenses (also packing material, etc ...). If there is something left at the end you can still always donate it to some worthy cause (along the lines of the original idea).

Yup, I've got that taken care of! Instead of charging more than cost on the PCB sets, I'm charging a little extra on the panels, which should be plenty to cover whatever extra costs come my way. thumbs up
thetwlo wrote:
Bump!
looks like last call!
just changed my order from [0] [2] [2] to [0] [5] [5] !!

THANKS FOR DOING THIS!!!!

Brb, Imma steal that "last call" quip. hihi
And as I said earlier; thank YOU for ordering! It's motherfucking bacon yo

Alright, current totals time! Right now we're at 73 FR4 panels, 67 Aluminum panels, and 173 PCB sets!
And even though it is *technically* December first in my timezone, (by about 5 minutes... meh ) I'm going to leave the thread open until I get home tomorrow evening. (This evening? Idk. Somewhere around 6:00 CST December 1st. lol ) So anyway, if anyone's still holding off on ordering, now is the time to do it! It's peanut butter jelly time!

Seth
FingerTappin
One FR4 panel and one PCB set for me please. Thanks!
Isaiah
Can I bump my order up to 3 PCB sets, please?
onlyHzwhenI...
PM'd for 3x PCBs and 3x Aluminum Panels.

Thanks!
~JT

Edit: 5x PCB + 3X Alum please
LeftyLogic
Hey everyone, I realized something this afternoon. It turns out that when I originally set the date that I'd stop taking orders I overlooked the fact that I have finals next week. My professors are assigning a huge amount of homework this week in preparation, so would it be alright if I extended the ordering period to December 10th?
I'm really sorry to have to delay this, but I just don't think I can deal with almost 110 paypal invoices and get my studying done at the same time without having a nervous breakdown. sad banana

And to everyone who PM'd me with orders today, thank you very much! I'll get you added to the list and your PMs responded to sometime either tomorrow morning or tomorrow afternoon. Right now however I think I need to go lie down. It's been a long day.

Seth
FingerTappin
Totally cool by me. Priorities! Study on SlayerBadger!

Figured I should PM my order also so it doesn't get lost in the thread. Will send now. Thanks again, LeftyLogic
horstronic
36$ for a set of PCBs and an aluminium panel?!
Well in that case, count me in for a set hihi
Monobass
Any chance of getting a plain metal panel without the print?
jflower
I know it's the 2nd, but up until this point I have been able to resist this. I'll take [0][2][2]. If I've missed the cutoff, no big deal.

Cheers!
jf
qfactor
jflower wrote:
I know it's the 2nd, but up until this point I have been able to resist this. I'll take [0][2][2]. If I've missed the cutoff, no big deal.

Cheers!
jf


Order's going on till the 10th!! thumbs up
clusterchord
hooray that you prolonged it, one aluminium panel for me please.


i already have the PCB set from board runs a few months ago..


thanks
LeftyLogic
onlyHzwhenI... wrote:
PM'd for 3x PCBs and 3x Aluminum Panels.

Thanks!
~JT

Edit: 5x PCB + 3X Alum please

FingerTappin wrote:
Totally cool by me. Priorities! Study on SlayerBadger!

Figured I should PM my order also so it doesn't get lost in the thread. Will send now. Thanks again, LeftyLogic

Alright, got you guys' PMs; Thanks! It's peanut butter jelly time!
Isaiah wrote:
Can I bump my order up to 3 PCB sets, please?

Sure, no problem! thumbs up
horstronic wrote:
36$ for a set of PCBs and an aluminium panel?!
Well in that case, count me in for a set hihi

Alrighty, I've added you to the list! Sent you a PM.
Monobass wrote:
Any chance of getting a plain metal panel without the print?

I have absolutely no idea. I'll look into that! Might be a little more expensive though. seriously, i just don't get it And if all else fails, I'd be happy to send you my FPD file if you want to make your own version or just have them drill the holes for you.
jflower wrote:
I know it's the 2nd, but up until this point I have been able to resist this. I'll take [0][2][2]. If I've missed the cutoff, no big deal.

Cheers!
jf

Alright! As qfactor said, I've decided to keep this open for orders til the 10th, so you're in luck! Sent you a PM! w00t
clusterchord wrote:
hooray that you prolonged it, one aluminium panel for me please.


i already have the PCB set from board runs a few months ago..


thanks

Alright! Sent you a PM as well!

Okay, current totals! We're now at 78 FR4 panels, 86 aluminum panels and 205 PCB sets!! It looks as though I'm gonna be swimming in circuit boards once all this shows up. hihi help

Seth
idealer
I could take one more pcb as a backup if it is still possible?
Thanks
seepaxton
hi there, i hope its not too late - i would love to order a front panel. preferbly aluminim but plastic is fine if not available! (really hoping its not too late!!)
j9k
I would like a set of pcb's and an fr4 panel
LeftyLogic
idealer wrote:
I could take one more pcb as a backup if it is still possible?
Thanks

Okay, I've updated your order! thumbs up
seepaxton wrote:
hi there, i hope its not too late - i would love to order a front panel. preferbly aluminim but plastic is fine if not available! (really hoping its not too late!!)

Nope, not too late at all! Thanks for the PM. Oh and also, the white panels are actually 2mm thick PCB material, which should hopefully be quite a bit more durable than plastic. w00t
j9k wrote:
I would like a set of pcb's and an fr4 panel

Alrighty, sent you a PM! Thanks! It's peanut butter jelly time!

Seth
Isaiah
LeftyLogic
Actually, could I reduce my order down to 2 PCB sets again if it's not too late, please?
Sorry! d'oh!
Bad habit of mine to order more than I need.
jaidee
One aluminium panel and PCB set with postage to the UK - thanks!
josh1026
I would like to order one fr4 panel and two pcb sets.
FingerTappin
Just PM'ed about switching to an aluminum panel if it is not too much trouble.

Thanks
LeftyLogic
Isaiah wrote:
LeftyLogic
Actually, could I reduce my order down to 2 PCB sets again if it's not too late, please?
Sorry! d'oh!
Bad habit of mine to order more than I need.

Sure, no problem! I tend to do the same sort of thing. Dead Banana
jaidee wrote:
One aluminium panel and PCB set with postage to the UK - thanks!

Alrighty, I sent you a PM! w00t
josh1026 wrote:
I would like to order one fr4 panel and two pcb sets.

Alright, got you on the list! Thanks for the PM! thumbs up

Current totals are: 79 FR4 panels, 92 Aluminum panels and 212 PCB sets!

Seth
potpourri
Can I get a 1 pcb set with an aluminum panel.
qp
What the hell. No time to build it but I'm in for a couple sets. PM sent!
admviolin
I would like to order two pcb sets and one FR4 panel please.
admviolin
pm sent
simfonik
If possible, I'd like to order just an aluminum panel.
LeftyLogic
potpourri wrote:
Can I get a 1 pcb set with an aluminum panel.

qp wrote:
What the hell. No time to build it but I'm in for a couple sets. PM sent!

admviolin wrote:
I would like to order two pcb sets and one FR4 panel please.

Thanks for the PMs! Got you all on the list. w00t
simfonik wrote:
If possible, I'd like to order just an aluminum panel.

Sure, no problem! I've sent you a PM.

Alright, time for current totals! We're now at 83 FR4 panels, 96 Aluminum panels, and 223 PCB sets!

Seth
LeftyLogic
Two days left! hyper
gbiz
I really shouldn't do this, my backlog is big enough as it is hihi

Could you bump my order to 2 x pcb sets & 2 x alu panels please LeftyLogic ?.
LeftyLogic
gbiz wrote:
I really shouldn't do this, my backlog is big enough as it is hihi

Could you bump my order to 2 x pcb sets & 2 x alu panels please LeftyLogic ?.

Sure, no problem! thumbs up

Seth
spoor
Have got caught up in all the excitement... couldn't resist any longer... pm sent...

LeftyLogic - thanks for organising this.
webb
PM sent for 1 pcb and FR4 panel. Thanks!
LeftyLogic
spoor wrote:
Have got caught up in all the excitement... couldn't resist any longer... pm sent...

LeftyLogic - thanks for organising this.

webb wrote:
PM sent for 1 pcb and FR4 panel. Thanks!

Alright, got you guys added! Thanks for the PM's. w00t

Tomorrow is the last day to order! screaming goo yo
Fwestivus
Wow. These look brilliant. Hopefully I can squeeze in!
latigid on
Looking good! What's the price break for 100 panels?
yan6
Am I too late to order one panel and one full set of pcb's, I will take the panel in whatever is available but prefer aluminum
LeftyLogic
Fwestivus wrote:
Wow. These look brilliant. Hopefully I can squeeze in!

yan6 wrote:
Am I too late to order one panel and one full set of pcb's, I will take the panel in whatever is available but prefer aluminum

Cutting it a bit close, but I've got you guys on the list! It's motherfucking bacon yo
latigid on wrote:
Looking good! What's the price break for 100 panels?

Thanks! Unfortunately I'm not going to be able to get the price any lower on the Aluminum panels. You'd think that MPC would offer a bigger discount on 100+ orders, but unfortunately there really isn't much of a difference. And considering the fact that it's gonna cost me around $400 on shipping for the PCBs and FR4 panels, I think I'm going to have to leave the price where it is. Sorry! seriously, i just don't get it

Alrighty, this thread is officially closed! Minus a couple of stragglers that I have sent PMs to, the final totals are: 88 FR4 panels, 106 Aluminum panels, and 236 PCB sets! I'm going to start sending out paypal invoices shortly.

Thank you very, VERY much to everyone who's ordered!
Seth

*Edit* Oh, by the way, just did another calculation, and the final price for the PCBs is $5 per set! hyper
Stides
Got my invoice and it's paid. Shocked at the low costs. I hope you got your calculations right. thumbs up

Can't wait for this thing, truth be told.
qfactor
If only our expenses for the basic necessities are like that!! The more people buy, the lower it costs!! d'oh!
onlyHzwhenI...
LeftyLogic wrote:

*Current Totals*
[88] [106] [236]

applause applause applause

I'm sure you did just fine on your finals!

~JT
nd595
Invoice received and paid, with Many Thanks!!!!!
LeftyLogic
Stides wrote:
Got my invoice and it's paid. Shocked at the low costs. I hope you got your calculations right. thumbs up

Can't wait for this thing, truth be told.

Thank you very much! As far as I can tell, the only thing that might turn out to be miscalculated is shipping; because I don't actually have the panels and PCBs on hand to weigh, I had to do some educated guessing. meh However, if it turns out that I overcharged you (or anyone else) I'll send you a refund, and if I didn't charge enough, I'll cover the difference myself.
qfactor wrote:
If only our expenses for the basic necessities are like that!! The more people buy, the lower it costs!! d'oh!

Ha, that would be the day! MY ASS IS BLEEDING
onlyHzwhenI... wrote:

applause applause applause

I'm sure you did just fine on your finals!

~JT

Thank you! This is fun! As far as I can tell, they went really well!
nd595 wrote:
Invoice received and paid, with Many Thanks!!!!!

Thank you very much! It's peanut butter jelly time!

Alright, I've gotten 25 invoices sent out so far, but I am nearing the point of falling asleep at my keyboard so the rest are gonna have to wait til tomorrow. Thanks everyone!

Seth
latigid on
I've sent mine, hopefully it didn't go twice as I got two receipt emails.

Thanks again, strange that there's no break for 100 units, but as others said you have a great price on this.
lamouette/rck
Paid ! Now start heating the iron !
LektroiD
LeftyLogic wrote:
As far as I can tell, the only thing that might turn out to be miscalculated is shipping; because I don't actually have the panels and PCBs on hand to weigh, I had to do some educated guessing. meh However, if it turns out that I overcharged you (or anyone else) I'll send you a refund, and if I didn't charge enough, I'll cover the difference myself.


If you didn't charge enough, send me an invoice for the difference. I won't have you pay out of your own pocket after all the hard work you have put into this.
spacedog
Paid... thumbs up

Guinness ftw!
evengravy
Hey, didn't get an invoice, just to let you know, itching to get the cash off to you. Let me know if you need more details. Thanks
evengravy
Edit . Removing details meant to pm. very frustrating
webb
Probably hasn't gone through the whole list considering I was one of the last to send a PM and I haven't received an invoice yet.
evengravy
Thanks, thumbs up
FingerTappin
Personally, I know I would need to stop for a pint in the middle of sending out 100+ invoices! Guinness ftw! <- Guinness isn't my "cup of tea" though
gianni
paid! thanks thumbs up
LeftyLogic
lamouette/rck wrote:
Paid ! Now start heating the iron !

spacedog wrote:
Paid... thumbs up

Guinness ftw!

gianni wrote:
paid! thanks thumbs up

Thanks guys! It's peanut butter jelly time!
latigid on wrote:
I've sent mine, hopefully it didn't go twice as I got two receipt emails.

Thanks again, strange that there's no break for 100 units, but as others said you have a great price on this.

Yeah, paypal seems to be kinda weird on emails lately, last night I kept getting emails that people had paid before I got the email that their invoice had been sent. hihi Anyway, it looks like your payment came through fine, so you're in good shape! Thanks!
LektroiD wrote:
If you didn't charge enough, send me an invoice for the difference. I won't have you pay out of your own pocket after all the hard work you have put into this.

Well, it isn't really out of my own pocket per se, it's still part of the buffer I tacked on to the panel pricing. But I appreciate the offer! Fortunately, if anything I will have overcharged you slightly because I'm trying to err on the side of caution with the weight calculations, so you very well might be getting a small refund. thumbs up
evengravy wrote:
Hey, didn't get an invoice, just to let you know, itching to get the cash off to you. Let me know if you need more details. Thanks

Hi, sorry I haven't sent you an invoice yet, I'm effectively going through my list in chronological order so it might be a couple of days until I can get yours out.

And just so everyone knows, I'm going to K-State tomorrow for a campus visit, so I'm going to be out of town all day. I'll try to get as many invoices sent out tonight as I can, but I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be able to make it through all of them, so I'll get the rest sent out over the weekend.

Thanks everyone!
Seth
hi0b
payment sent
thank you thumbs up
olga42
Payment sent with thanks!

I hope the finals went well and that the holidays will be relaxing SlayerBadger! thumbs up
evengravy
No sweat at all, just didn't want to miss out. Thanks
hellpony
Payment sent thumbs up
STOJ
Payment sent!
evengravy
Payment sent It's motherfucking bacon yo
Mindarp
Payment sent. Thanks so much for putting this project together.
Isaiah
Payment sent.
Thanks! thumbs up
jh0n
Payment sent - thanks!
weedywhizz
Paid thumbs up
FingerTappin
Payment sent. Thanks!
Kunfuz
Paid too, thanks Seth! w00t
albmoya
Payment sent. Thank you!!
synchromesh
Paid, thanks again Seth! thumbs up
ChrisR
Payment sent smile
spacedog
Error ?:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=117137&start=90

hmmm..... cry
FingerTappin
spacedog wrote:
Error ?:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=117137&start=90

hmmm..... cry




I saw this also and was curious. In his post directly before that one, he had also changed some of the values of the resistors in the new BOMs. I was going to wait to see what someone says in the build thread.

Since you mentioned it here, I figured I would bring that up also.
seepaxton
payment sent SlayerBadger!
yan6
Are you still working on sending out invoices, I dont think I was sent one yet
Altitude909
Maybe a branch for a fresh build thread?
LeftyLogic
Alrighty, just sent out the last of the invoices! It's peanut butter jelly time!
Thanks very much to everyone who's already paid!
Unfortunately, Paypal has decided to make it so that I have to wait for some three weeks before they release 2/3s of my funds, so it might be a while before I can get everything ordered. very frustrating At this point I've got enough available that I'll be able to order the Aluminum panels, (which have a 3 week lead time anyway...) but the PCB sets and FR4 panels are going to have to wait until the rest of my funds are released. sad banana
spacedog wrote:
Error ?:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=117137&start=90

hmmm..... cry

Hmm, thanks for pointing that out. I took a look at the PCB set I bought from that run and yeah, I can confirm that there is an error. However, even though it is an error, I'm pretty sure that everything should still work as expected. I'm planning getting that set built up this week, so I'll make sure and report anything weird.
FingerTappin wrote:
I saw this also and was curious. In his post directly before that one, he had also changed some of the values of the resistors in the new BOMs. I was going to wait to see what someone says in the build thread.

Since you mentioned it here, I figured I would bring that up also.

It seems to me that those resistors are a bit of a "Your milage may vary" type of thing. Some people have reported good luck with the original values and some have only gotten it to work with the updated values. I suppose what I would suggest is to just socket those particular resistors and swap them out until you find one that works. seriously, i just don't get it

Seth
sceledra
Payment sent! Thanks again!
lessavyfav
I paid a few days ago.... Hoping you just haven't updated the "paid" post. I no welcher... Is that a word?
LeftyLogic
lessavyfav wrote:
I paid a few days ago.... Hoping you just haven't updated the "paid" post. I no welcher... Is that a word?

Yeah, I was waiting to update the list again until I'd finished sending out invoices. Hooray for procrastination! MY ASS IS BLEEDING Anyway, I just finished updating it and you're marked down as "paid". thumbs up
spoor
Paid! thumbs up
ppccdd
Payment send
admviolin
Payment Sent a couple of days ago
qp
Paid up now gimmie! hihi
LeftyLogic
Thanks guys! It's peanut butter jelly time!

I got a new quote from MPC this afternoon, so I'm going to go ahead and get the Aluminum panels ordered. w00t They've got an estimated 3 week lead time, so hopefully they'll show up in the first part of next month. Unfortunately, it looks like paypal isn't gonna release the rest of my funds until around January 1st, so I'm not going to be able to order PCBs and FR4 panels until then. very frustrating
So, a tip to anyone who's thinking about running a group buy: make sure that the first thing you do is get your identity confirmed with paypal! d'oh!

Also, just so everyone knows, I'm going to get my wisdom teeth taken out tomorrow, so if I'm not around for a few days, that would be why. Dead Banana help
simfonik
Paid 8_)
Stides
Good luck with the teeth. Wisdom teeth have been on my backlog Dead Banana
webb
Payment sent! Can't wait.
ZibraZibraZibra
can't wait to get 6 more oscillators. gunna be awesome.

thinking of extending the panel mind to add a built in mixer circuit, 3 volumes and an external in. probably the CGS... http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs23_cv_mega_mixer.html

or any better suggestions? I've built one or two of these, and they seem noisy,, is this down to my dodgy builds?
CrysWiz
the LM358 is not a particularly quiet op amp, try using a TL072 instead or if you really want to get fanc, use a OPA2604. Also use metal film resistors instead of carbon.
LeftyLogic
Hello everyone! Sorry for the long period of radio silence; the last couple of weeks were effectively a writeoff on my part. Dead Banana

Anyway, I'm now 100% back! Paypal finally released the rest of my funds, so I just got the FR4 panels and PCB sets ordered! I also placed an order with MPC the other day, but I'm still waiting on confirmation of that one.

Happy New Year! It's motherfucking bacon yo

Seth
spacedog
8_) applause

Happy New Year! Rockin' Banana!
LektroiD
CrysWiz wrote:
the LM358 is not a particularly quiet op amp, try using a TL072 instead or if you really want to get fanc, use a OPA2604. Also use metal film resistors instead of carbon.


I don't see a LM358 on these boards, or has the BOM been changed again?
onlyHzwhenI...
LektroiD wrote:
CrysWiz wrote:
the LM358 is not a particularly quiet op amp, try using a TL072 instead or if you really want to get fanc, use a OPA2604. Also use metal film resistors instead of carbon.


I don't see a LM358 on these boards, or has the BOM been changed again?
Right above the part you quoted ZibraZibraZibra asked about possibly using a CGS mixer circuit to help the LivingVCO. I think the reference was to the CGS Mega Mixer BOM which does use a LM358.
Dirty_Bill
And the thread made it back! I'm in! Thank Seth!
nd595
Welcome back!!! It's peanut butter jelly time!
BTW, at what stage are we at the moment? Is there a vague date when the PCBs and panels start shipping? Just for an info...
nd595
sorry, unwanted double-posting...
medbot
Not sure if you saw the other thread that was made while this one was gone, but LeftyLogic just got two gigantic packages full of PCBs and PCB panels today or yesterday.
nd595
nope, haven't seen the other thread - but the news are encouraging. Thank you!
ZibraZibraZibra
pritty damn excited to get going on these ! applause
onlyHzwhenI...
Don't see myself as paid on the this thread, but know I did on 12/18. I'm guessing it's just the reset effect, but wanted to make sure you had me as paid. Not worried, just concerned. Saw the other thread a few days ago, will look for it now.
~JT
spoor
onlyHzwhenI... wrote:
Don't see myself as paid on the this thread, but know I did on 12/18.

Me too, paid on the 17th. I'm sure it's fine though.
simfonik
Same here– paid on December 19.
LeftyLogic
onlyHzwhenI... wrote:
Don't see myself as paid on the this thread, but know I did on 12/18. I'm guessing it's just the reset effect, but wanted to make sure you had me as paid. Not worried, just concerned. Saw the other thread a few days ago, will look for it now.
~JT

spoor wrote:

Me too, paid on the 17th. I'm sure it's fine though.

simfonik wrote:
Same here– paid on December 19.

Hey guys! I do have you all down as paid on the list I have on my computer, I just haven't had time to update the list in the thread since the forum's come back online. Sorry about that, I'll try to get it updated tomorrow!

Anyway, as medbot said, the PCBs and FR4 panels showed up the other day, so if you ordered any combination of either of those, I'm going to try and get your order shipped this week. If you ordered an Aluminum panel, hang tight, I'm still waiting on those, but it shouldn't be too much longer until they show up. thumbs up

Here are the pics I posted in the other thread: Picture file
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And here is a scan of one of the FR4 panels:


Please note that the silkscreen is very slightly misaligned, and this seems to be present on all of the FR4 panels. However, once knobs/jacks etc have been attached to the panel it becomes very difficult to notice the misalignment. (And regardless of silkscreen weirdness, they look pretty darn nice in real life! It's peanut butter jelly time! )

Also, I'm just about finished with my paperface prototype, and once I get it done I'm going to post a few tips RE assembly and calibration. After that I'm going to put together one of the FR4 panel versions and write up a step-by-step photographic build guide.

I absolutely can not wait to get these sent out and hear what you all create with them! hyper

Seth
duff
LeftyLogic wrote:
the PCBs and FR4 panels showed up the other day, so if you ordered any combination of either of those, I'm going to try and get your order shipped this week

It's peanut butter jelly time!

Anyone know where to get LM13600 at a decent price in the UK/Europe or know if you can use an LM13700 instead?
qfactor
duff wrote:
LeftyLogic wrote:
the PCBs and FR4 panels showed up the other day, so if you ordered any combination of either of those, I'm going to try and get your order shipped this week

It's peanut butter jelly time!

Anyone know where to get LM13600 at a decent price in the UK/Europe or know if you can use an LM13700 instead?


I believe it has been mentioned here (or the other Build Thread) that you can use LM13700 in replacement of 13600 thumbs up
duff
qfactor wrote:
I believe it has been mentioned here (or the other Build Thread) that you can use LM13700 in replacement of 13600 thumbs up


Thanks.
latigid on
In any case, I ordered some 13600s from futurlec with the CA3046s. Let's hope they're for real! Mouser and Tayda both stock LM13700N in through-hole.
Grumskiz
duff wrote:
LeftyLogic wrote:
the PCBs and FR4 panels showed up the other day, so if you ordered any combination of either of those, I'm going to try and get your order shipped this week

It's peanut butter jelly time!

Anyone know where to get LM13600 at a decent price in the UK/Europe or know if you can use an LM13700 instead?


Das Musikding (located in Germany, but I think they ship worldwide) has both LM13600 and LM13700 in stock.
I have bought these from them in the past and they are good quality smile
duff
Grumskiz wrote:
Das Musikding (located in Germany, but I think they ship worldwide) has both LM13600 and LM13700 in stock.
I have bought these from them in the past and they are good quality smile


Thanks, I'd forgotten about das musikding. Although I ended up waiting about 2 1/2 months for my order to arrive last time I ordered from them, but I think that was down to some alpha pots that they were having difficulty getting hold of. Looks like they have 3046s as well.
FingerTappin
LeftyLogic

A build document would be great! Thanks in advance. I do have a few questions on the build I have been waiting on and didn't realize certain transistors in the build had to be the C variant until you mentioned it in a now lost post.
FingerTappin
latigid on

You may want to follow up with Futurlec. I ordered CA3046s and LM13600s from them a few weeks ago. I got no notification from them about shipping and no charge. I then sent an e-mail to them to check on the status and they told me both were out of stock and they weren't sure when they were restocking. A reply to an e-mail sent less than a week ago was the same story.

Maybe they restocked, but I would e-mail them to be sure. Just wanted to give you the heads up.
FingerTappin
sorry, double post
latigid on
FingerTappin wrote:
latigid on

You may want to follow up with Futurlec. I ordered CA3046s and LM13600s from them a few weeks ago. I got no notification from them about shipping and no charge. I then sent an e-mail to them to check on the status and they told me both were out of stock and they weren't sure when they were restocking. A reply to an e-mail sent less than a week ago was the same story.

Maybe they restocked, but I would e-mail them to be sure. Just wanted to give you the heads up.


Okay, many thanks! I ordered a few days ago, both were showing stock online, but perhaps that's not too meaningful.
onlyHzwhenI...
LeftyLogic wrote:
...I just haven't had time to update the list....

No worries here. Just excited to see the project come together. w00t!!
~JT
evengravy
wishing I had ordered fr4 panels now, they look lovely, but I bet the alu panels will be worth the wait.

Can't wait to shoehorn these into a suitcase screaming goo yo
ZibraZibraZibra
aaah got everything sitting here waiting for the pcb's.

can't waitttt
latigid on
ZibraZibraZibra wrote:
aaah got everything sitting here waiting for the pcb's.

can't waitttt


Where are your CA3046s from?
ZibraZibraZibra
latigid on wrote:
ZibraZibraZibra wrote:
aaah got everything sitting here waiting for the pcb's.

can't waitttt


Where are your CA3046s from?



had to resort to ebay! £3.50 for 2.
Altitude909
ouch. futurlec has them for a buck
latigid on
This from futurlec yesterday:

Quote:

The LM13600N will be available in 1-2 weeks. For the CA3046, these are becoming quite difficult to locate, we received some of these around 1 month ago and we are still check for more stocks of this part from other sources.
ZibraZibraZibra
Altitude909 wrote:
ouch. futurlec has them for a buck


YeahH not so lucky in the UK!
Altitude909
the 13700 is the current rev of the 13600, its a drop in replacement. LM3046=CA3046, ti actually still makes the 3046 but only in smd. pdip parts are still around though

id be surprised if delbani didnt stock those in the uk
latigid on
CA3046 is showing in stock at futurlec, LM3046 out of stock. Das musikding has them for 2.50 € each, Bridechamber $2.50.

If everything fails it's always a possibility to OSHpark some SOIC/PDIP adapters and get the SMD from Mouser.
Altitude909
latigid on wrote:
CA3046 is showing in stock at futurlec, LM3046 out of stock. Das musikding has them for 2.50 € each, Bridechamber $2.50.

If everything fails it's always a possibility to OSHpark some SOIC/PDIP adapters and get the SMD from Mouser.


That's actually a good idea, even with the adapter, you would pay less than the going rate for pdip parts..
josh1026
Has anyone tried this http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-SOIC-to-DIP-Chip-Adaptors/

Seems like a better way to go than risking a counterfeit from ebay.
Altitude909
josh1026 wrote:
Has anyone tried this http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-SOIC-to-DIP-Chip-Adaptors/

Seems like a better way to go than risking a counterfeit from ebay.


That's what we are talking about.

Something like this but not crazy priced

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/14-350000-10/A725-ND/261926

Time to fire up eagle
Altitude909
....
negativspace
I got a crapton of those little adapter boards with a Futurlec order. I've used them a couple of times, great little trick to keep in the arsenal for sure.
Altitude909
Which ones did you get? I've seen SOIC14 ones which are off center but those could be problematic for some boards. The board isnt an issue in this case, finding SMD pins that are not $5 for a 7 pin row is

*edit

Here we go
latigid on
I haven't checked the geometries, but is it really necessary to use SMD headers?

EDIT: yep, at least with DIP/SOIC. And probably a smaller surface mount package is more trouble than it's worth!
Altitude909
yeah, the pins overlap otherwise. the futurlec ones are for a breadboard, not as in IC replacement. i found the headers for $0.57 but even then you are looking at $2ish for the adapter so it wont be cheaper than the pdip part. might be useful for other things though
spacedog
http://www.musikding.de/CA3046_1 has them for 2.50 € each,
or 2.25 € if you buy 3,
or 2.10 € if you buy 5 or more.
LeftyLogic
Hey everyone! I'd like to let you all know that I got the first few packages shipped yesterday! So far I've gotten 7 orders shipped, and another 13 packed up that I should be able to ship on Saturday. I've also gotten the list updated, so everyone who has paid is now marked as such. thumbs up

I was about to say I hadn't received the Aluminum panels yet... But my mom just came in and said "Oh by the way, the UPS guy dropped something off for you while you were at class. I carried it in for you and it was really heavy!" hihi (So in other words, the Aluminum panels are here!!! hyper )



Great idea with SOIC/DIP adaptors! I'd offer to do a run of them, but I think I've got enough on my plate at them moment. help hihi
I did do some looking around though and I've found you some cheaper headers: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/NREC040SABC-M30RC/S1013EC-40- ND/2775094
(Cheaper as in cost-per-pin; they're 40-pin breakaways, so buy 2 or 3 of them and you'll be set for a while!)

Seth
latigid on
Looks really nice, great job!
adnauseam
I've apparently missed out on this one.

Are there extra PCBs and Panels available here or other online sources?

I'd like to buy a set!
4floorsofwhores
Can't wait for this
evengravy
applause
TheDegenerateElite
Got my boards and the pcb panel today.

The panel is amazing. Very glad I went PCB over AL.


What sucks is that I just placed an order with Mouser an hour before I got the mail.
evengravy
I remember reading jurgen saying that only a couple of the transistors from the ca3086 are actually used in the circuit and could be replaced with matched pairs. Is this stil the case with the new pcb?

Whilst we're talking adapters maybe one for an smd matched npn pair (bcm847bs) might be a good idea? I can knock something up in eagle (have a couple of hundred of these parts kicking about somewhere. If it's worth the effort...
4floorsofwhores
Awesome. Oh and cheers for the add on fb Leftylogic
4floorsofwhores
Awesome. Oh and cheers for the add on fb Leftylogic
Altitude909
I'll order those SMD pins and make up the foot print for eagle, once that is done everything will be simple and I'll share the adapters at OSH park
DomMorley
If there are any PCBs left for this I'd really like to get in on it (late to the party as usual!).
evengravy
Hey lefty, can you possibly tell me which pins are used in the ca3086 chips? Might have a go at a breakout board tomorrow and chuck it up on osc park for folks whilst I'm at it.

Nice one on the lm13700 breakout too altitude, good thinking, got some pdip versions on ebay but who's knows if they're legit

Mark verbos used the bc847bs smd npn in his buchla 258 osc and seemed to be great, they're only a 50 p part
billsship
Just to share, I purchased these CA3046's from a US seller and received them pretty quickly. They have yet to be tested, but hundreds have been sold from this seller with positive feedback sent.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160079287946?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPa geName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
LeftyLogic
latigid on wrote:
Looks really nice, great job!

Thanks! It's peanut butter jelly time!
TheDegenerateElite wrote:
Got my boards and the pcb panel today.

The panel is amazing. Very glad I went PCB over AL.


What sucks is that I just placed an order with Mouser an hour before I got the mail.

Awesome!! I'm really glad you like it! hyper (And thanks for posting that you received it, I'm pretty paranoid about one of these getting lost in the mail) Dead Banana
4floorsofwhores wrote:
Awesome. Oh and cheers for the add on fb Leftylogic

Thanks! And no problem! thumbs up
evengravy wrote:
Hey lefty, can you possibly tell me which pins are used in the ca3086 chips? Might have a go at a breakout board tomorrow and chuck it up on osc park for folks whilst I'm at it.

Nice one on the lm13700 breakout too altitude, good thinking, got some pdip versions on ebay but who's knows if they're legit

Mark verbos used the bc847bs smd npn in his buchla 258 osc and seemed to be great, they're only a 50 p part

It looks like pins 1-5 and 13 are connected on the 3046. Looking at the datasheet, it looks like pins 1-5 are the differential pair, and pin 13 is the emitter of a third transistor. Why pin 13 is connected while the base and collector of that transistor aren't is utterly beyond me. hmmm.....
Oh, and here's an idea: why not make a multipurpose adapter board that you could use the LM3046, LM13700, or the BC847 on? That way you wouldn't have to order several different kinds of adapter if you wanted to go SMT for all that.

Seth
LeftyLogic
adnauseam wrote:
I've apparently missed out on this one.

Are there extra PCBs and Panels available here or other online sources?

I'd like to buy a set!

DomMorley wrote:
If there are any PCBs left for this I'd really like to get in on it (late to the party as usual!).

Yes, there are extras available! However, I'm not going to sell them off until I get all the existing orders shipped, because if something gets lost or damaged I'd like to have a replacement available. Assuming though that I don't end up needing to replace anything, I'd be happy to send you guys a message when I'm ready to offload the extras!

Seth
DomMorley
Thanks Seth thumbs up
evengravy
Quote:

It looks like pins 1-5 and 13 are connected on the 3046. Looking at the datasheet, it looks like pins 1-5 are the differential pair, and pin 13 is the emitter of a third transistor. Why pin 13 is connected while the base and collector of that transistor aren't is utterly beyond me. hmmm.....
Oh, and here's an idea: why not make a multipurpose adapter board that you could use the LM3046, LM13700, or the BC847 on? That way you wouldn't have to order several different kinds of adapter if you wanted to go SMT for all that.


Strange alright... Maybe grounded to prevent noise of some form? Not sure without looking at the board, but good call on the multipurpose pcb breakout, when my board arrives il have a look and test it out. Cheers
evengravy
Found some info on the ca3046: "Observe that you MUST connect Pin 13, the IC substrate, to the most negative point in the circuit or bad things happen to the IC."

From here: http://www.d.umn.edu/~sburns/EE2212Spring2013/Experiment7CurrentSouces AndEmitterCoupledPair.htm

Thanks logic! Pins 1 to 5 should be fine.
Jack Gull
hey.. am i late to the party?
one of next projects i wanted to do was trying to clone the ems vco (studied the schematic a lot)
probably still going to do it for science purposes but i wouldn't ming building this one
modintx
PCB's showed up this weekend - thank you Seth great job!!
TheDegenerateElite
How are you wigglers planning on mounting the boards so that the trimming pots are usable? I guess you could build them and tune them, then mount each to the panel in turn - and leave room in the wires so you can dismount them in the future if needed.


However, I noticed that the VCO driver board cannot be mounted directly to the face plate using the panel pots because it hangs down over the Osc 2 jack on the bottom row.


Looks like a two board side by side x 2 stack with flying wires to the panel controls will have to be it.

Any ideas?
evengravy
heres a quick knockup of the BCM847bs to CA3046 for this VCO, I tried to put the LM13700 on the top side also to make it dual purpose but it seems there isn't enough width to fit the SOIC between the headers? maybe I have the wrong SOIC in eagle.

Note: the BC847 gets soldered to the bottom side in this, design is unchecked and routing maybe not the most efficient, might be of use.

EDIT: sorry it wont allow me to attache the eagle file, due to recent attacks, if anyone wants it send me a pm
Altitude909
evengravy wrote:
heres a quick knockup of the BCM847bs to CA3046 for this VCO, I tried to put the LM13700 on the top side also to make it dual purpose but it seems there isn't enough width to fit the SOIC between the headers? maybe I have the wrong SOIC in eagle.

Note: the BC847 gets soldered to the bottom side in this, design is unchecked and routing maybe not the most efficient, might be of use.

EDIT: sorry it wont allow me to attache the eagle file, due to recent attacks, if anyone wants it send me a pm


Post a pic of it
evengravy
here's a link to the file on a sharing site, I'll post a pic now.

By the way it needs a board outline, left it out since ppl will probably like to panelize

http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=g73ca85e3c9f468de999618476b51a4ad 5d481cf11
evengravy
Altitude909
Ah, I got it. I ordered the SMD pin headers and will work on the footprints shortly which will allow proper headers for SOIC size parts. I am not sure why you want to do the 13700, those are still made in PDIP by several companies. Your spacing of those traces will set off alarm bells btw..

The idea is something like this but doesnt cost $9

FingerTappin
TheDegenerateElite wrote:
How are you wigglers planning on mounting the boards so that the trimming pots are usable? I guess you could build them and tune them, then mount each to the panel in turn - and leave room in the wires so you can dismount them in the future if needed.


However, I noticed that the VCO driver board cannot be mounted directly to the face plate using the panel pots because it hangs down over the Osc 2 jack on the bottom row.


Looks like a two board side by side x 2 stack with flying wires to the panel controls will have to be it.

Any ideas?


Disclaimer: I dont have my boards or panel yet

Pretty sure Osc 2 on the driver side of the panel is for a switch (spdt I believe), not a jack. Maybe that will give it enough room. I assume 9mm pots would give it more breathing room also.

This issue was actually brought up on the first page and was supposedly remedied.
TheDegenerateElite
The switch is not board mount.

The corresponding spot on the board is the drive out jacks wire points.

Could be wrong but normal 9mms put the pcb directly across the hole.
LeftyLogic
evengravy wrote:
Found some info on the ca3046: "Observe that you MUST connect Pin 13, the IC substrate, to the most negative point in the circuit or bad things happen to the IC."

Well no wonder. eek! Thanks for looking that up; I'd hate to design something with a 3046 and have it blow up in my face without knowing why! hihi
Jack Gull wrote:
hey.. am i late to the party?
one of next projects i wanted to do was trying to clone the ems vco (studied the schematic a lot)
probably still going to do it for science purposes but i wouldn't ming building this one

Hello! I do have a few spare PCB/Panel sets, but I'm not going to accept any more new orders until I get the ones that are currently spoken for shipped. I'd be happy to send you a PM once I do that though!
modintx wrote:
PCB's showed up this weekend - thank you Seth great job!!

Awesome, thanks! Can't wait to see (and hear) your build! hyper

TheDegenerateElite wrote:
How are you wigglers planning on mounting the boards so that the trimming pots are usable? I guess you could build them and tune them, then mount each to the panel in turn - and leave room in the wires so you can dismount them in the future if needed.

That's effectively what I did for my prototype. Although one thing that I would recommend is to put the trimmers for the Driver on the back of the PCB, so that they're facing away from the other boards and are actually accessible. This should make trimming the sine waves quite a bit easier. But either way, I'm hoping and praying that mine doesn't drift out of cal. Dead Banana

TheDegenerateElite wrote:
The switch is not board mount.

The corresponding spot on the board is the drive out jacks wire points.

Could be wrong but normal 9mms put the pcb directly across the hole.

Unfortunately, 9mm pots aren't compatible with the Driver board, due to that exact spacing issue. sad banana When I was laying out the panel I noticed that either 16mm or 9mm pots would conflict with that switch, so I opted to use 16mm because of the cost difference. I'm really sorry for not making this more clear! sad

Seth

(P.S. 9mm pots will work fine with the VCO boards though, so if you already have all your pots in 9mm, the only ones you'll need to swap out are the ones on the driver board.)
evengravy
Quote:
I am not sure why you want to do the 13700, those are still made in PDIP by several companies.


I think ppl were looking to minimize the chances of fakes re: the LM13700. This is currently for the CA3046, they are available in PDIP too but the bcm847bs is much more closely matched and I can bypass the fakes around, I actually have a bunch of CA3046 already but thought it might be nice to have some options.

Quote:
Your spacing of those traces will set off alarm bells btw..


I know, they're are pretty tight but within spec for the DRC at laen/OSHpark. I could eliminate that using both sides and some via's but refrained as the intention was to make room for the LM13700 on the top side. Definitely tricky for the home etcher however. If the lm13700 isn't to be squeezed on the top side I'll re-trace to eliminate the "spaghetti"

Quote:
Well no wonder. eek! Thanks for looking that up; I'd hate to design something with a 3046 and have it blow up in my face without knowing why! hihi


No sweat, never knew that either glad it was brought up
Altitude909
yeah, it passes my bad. Really tight though.. Routing traces on the inside of a part that's the size of a 0805 resistor but with 6 pins is probably not in any manual smile
evengravy
True, curious to see what the story is with the headers on the soic breakout you posted the image of, must be some type of surface mount version attached from below, haven't come across those before
Altitude909
There are a couple of different ones out there but this is what I am going with, $0.57 for a 7 pin

josh1026
Would this work for the lm3046?
http://www.futurlec.com/SMD_Adapters.shtml#14PINSOIC
Altitude909
josh1026 wrote:
Would this work for the lm3046?
http://www.futurlec.com/SMD_Adapters.shtml#14PINSOIC


Too wide, wont fit the footprint of the PDIP part. If someone designed a board for that than it would be fine but if you're going to that trouble, just use the SMD part to start with..
evengravy
Nice!
Siri
for those interested :


LM3046
http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/LM3046MX%2FNOPB/LM3046MX%2FNOP BCT-ND/3526941



Adapter, all in one, cut where you want, 30cts each :
http://www.dipmicro.com/store/PCB-SOIC-SSOP16
(coupon : http://www.dipmicro.com/coupon?A9Y2)
LeftyLogic
Hey guys! I got my Frac prototype finished the other day, so here's a couple of minutes worth of my first patch with it! This is fun!

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Seth
ppccdd
Any news on the shipping department? can´t wait to get my hands on this.
Altitude909
Siri wrote:
for those interested :
..

Adapter, all in one, cut where you want, 30cts each :
http://www.dipmicro.com/store/PCB-SOIC-SSOP16
(coupon : http://www.dipmicro.com/coupon?A9Y2)


Wow, that is some close spacing to get that to fit. Cant beat 0.30CA either
4floorsofwhores
ppccdd wrote:
Any news on the shipping department? can´t wait to get my hands on this.


100000% this smile
LeftyLogic
I actually got a whole bunch more shipped out on Tuesday, I just haven't had a chance to get the list updated. I'll get that done this afternoon, and also get as many more as I can packed up and ready to go. thumbs up
I should be able to get the next several shipped next Monday.

Seth
Altitude909
Ha. I figured someone would get the same idea as me (and even use the same parts):



http://www.chipquik.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=2200004

in fact, they have adapters for everything:

http://www.chipquik.com/store/index.php?cPath=900_1200
LeftyLogic
Check this out! It looks like Jameco has DIP CA3046's in stock for $1.49! It's peanut butter jelly time! They're on closeout though, so who knows how long they'll last. w00t
qp
LeftyLogic wrote:
Check this out! It looks like Jameco has DIP CA3046's in stock for $1.49! It's peanut butter jelly time! They're on closeout though, so who knows how long they'll last. w00t


Stockpile time! Order placed.
Altitude909
Damn, you found my secret stash. CA3086s, 3080s and a bunch of other out of production stuff there as well
spacedog
LeftyLogic wrote:
I actually got a whole bunch more shipped out on Tuesday, I just haven't had a chance to get the list updated. I'll get that done this afternoon, and also get as many more as I can packed up and ready to go. thumbs up
I should be able to get the next several shipped next Monday.

Seth


Thanks! It's peanut butter jelly time!

I hope it will pass the customs fast...

Already got my CA3046s from http://www.musikding.de/

spneca
I got mine yesterday. Thanks!
the bad producer
I just found these which look good, may as well keep my thru-hole 3046's for something else!

http://www.artekit.eu/products/bbadapters/soic-14-to-dip-adapter/
yan6
Any update on shipping hyper
4floorsofwhores
i'm so near the bottom of the list. The wait is killing me
:p
ppccdd
4floorsofwhores wrote:
i'm so near the bottom of the list. The wait is killing me


This
Stides
Just stopping in to say the White Panel is stunning. Really looks great. Might be a while before I can get it all built up, though.
j9k
I'm glad these are shipping now. I was beginning to wonder what happened.
Reality Checkpoint
Received mine in the UK today.

I must say that the aluminium panel looks even better in the flesh.

Thank you Seth for doing this. I will be proud to have this module in my system.
bugfight
mine came in this weekend, very nice and thanks mucho.
nao i must hasten them to the Queue to wait for nyears
idealer
Got my package today
Very nice panel and pcbs!!!
Thanks alot Seth!!
LeftyLogic
Hey all! Just wanted to let you all know that I got another 15 orders shipped out today! I'll try to get the list updated tomorrow.

Unfortunately, my class schedule this semester has me going pretty well insane, so I'm not sure when I'll be able to get my second set of VCOs built. I did however manage to grab some 10-turn pots, and I think I've come up with a kludge that should allow them to work with the PCBs. I'm pretty sure that if you take the TL072 that's near the FREQ pot off the PCB and put it on a breakout board (i.e. a piece of perfboard) connected by flying wires, it ought to leave enough clearance for the 10-turn pot. The only other modification required is it turns out that 10-turn pots require a larger mounting hole than standard 1-turns, so you'll need to bore out the hole for the FREQ pot a ways to get it to fit. This shouldn't be too hard with a drill press or a hand-borer, but if you have an FR4 panel BE CAREFUL. FR4 dust is EXTREMELY unpleasant and can be toxic.

Major thanks to everyone who's posted that they've received their panels/PCBs! I'm very very glad that you're happy with them, and can't wait to see you get them built! hyper

Seth
finnurbjarna
I received mine today. Thanks again for doing this - can't wait to get building.
nigel
LeftyLogic wrote:
Check this out! It looks like Jameco has DIP CA3046's in stock for $1.49!

Yeah, I noticed those and ordered some in January. I checked my tracking number today to discover that they had arrived safely in Austria. nanners

Unfortunately, I live in Australia. sad banana
qfactor
Hey Seth!

Just to let you know that the LVCO set you sent has landed in the Far East today!! It's peanut butter jelly time! It's peanut butter jelly time!

Now where did you say I can get that 10-turn pot again? seriously, i just don't get it

Thanks man!! thumbs up
Grumskiz
Got my FR4 panel today (in Germany). Looks great! Can't wait to build this thing grin

Thanks Seth!
evengravy
Would these 10turn pots be any use

http://sakae-tsushin.co.jp/img_item/10HP-10_l.jpg

They're pretty slimline so might work ok, havent tried them myself

These look possible http://www.potentiometers.com/MW10.cfm
Not sure of cost
Edit. 145 dollars each on mouser hehe
freestylemovement
please contact me, i can't believe i just found out about this thread. anyway, if anyone has leads to a spare set of PCB / Panel or another upcoming group buy, please let me know. thanks !
spacedog
Got it!!! w00t It's peanut butter jelly time! It's peanut butter jelly time! thumbs up

Thanks Seth! we're not worthy
lamouette/rck
Wainting mine... it so long.... cry
LektroiD
lamouette/rck wrote:
Wainting mine... it so long.... cry


Likewise. Nothing here in the UK yet...
gbiz
Mine showed up this morning in a mufftastic delivery that also had my chips from the THAT2180B group buy & a couple of Music Radio PCB/Panel sets screaming goo yo

These look great. Can't wait to build them.

Again, many thanks to Seth for organising this. Guinness ftw!
woodster
I hope these come around again at some point.
I missed the boat, as funds were tight at the time.
Only ever hear good things about the Living VCO's
Jop
Received today, looking great !

Big thanks to you Seth thumbs up
FingerTappin
LeftyLogic

Any updates on shipping? I am sure classes are keeping you busy.
olga42
Mine showed up near Stockholm a couple of days ago looking scrumptious w00t

Many thanks to Seth for organizing this bonanza thumbs up Guinness ftw! Best of luck with classes, midterms and all of that school-related work!
LektroiD
Reality Checkpoint wrote:
Received mine in the UK today.

I must say that the aluminium panel looks even better in the flesh.

Thank you Seth for doing this. I will be proud to have this module in my system.


Over a week after these started to show in the UK, and still nothing. I'm starting to get concerned now. I was one of the first on the list too.

Are there tracking numbers for these?

I've built the boards already from the original batch, but looks like I'll have no panel to put them on if my delivery doesn't arrive soon. If they don't show soon, is it possible to re-order?
synchromesh
LektroiD wrote:
Over a week after these started to show in the UK, and still nothing.


FWIW mine haven't arrived yet either, but I have too many other things to worry about ATM... MY ASS IS BLEEDING

They're bound to turn up eventually. (Fingers crossed)
Skaput
LektroiD wrote:
Reality Checkpoint wrote:
Received mine in the UK today.

I must say that the aluminium panel looks even better in the flesh.

Thank you Seth for doing this. I will be proud to have this module in my system.


Over a week after these started to show in the UK, and still nothing. I'm starting to get concerned now. I was one of the first on the list too.

Are there tracking numbers for these?

I've built the boards already from the original batch, but looks like I'll have no panel to put them on if my delivery doesn't arrive soon. If they don't show soon, is it possible to re-order?


I wouldnt panic yet, mine arrived in Lancashire just yesterday, customs or post office will have them, probably trying to work out how to extricate some cash from your good self.

Many thanks Seth, for undertaking to do this, and for all the hard work you have put in. It's peanut butter jelly time! It's peanut butter jelly time!
LeftyLogic
Hey guys! Glad to hear that more packages are starting to arrive! It's peanut butter jelly time!

LektroiD--I checked my records and it looks like I shipped your order on the 11th, so I figure it ought to be showing up in the next couple of days or so. If it still hasn't shown up by this time next week though I'll be happy to go talk to the guys at the post office to see what the holdup is! thumbs up

synchromesh--I hate to say it, but the reason you haven't gotten your order yet is because I haven't gotten it shipped yet. oops So far I'm up to number 67 on my list and you're number 83, so I should probably be able to get your order out next week sometime.

Anyway, I got another 19 orders shipped out yesterday, so it looks like I'm about halfway done!

And as far as 10-turns go, the ones I bought were the cheap ones from Jameco, but I can't yet vouch for their quality. (And they also seem to have gone up in price by $2 since I bought them. hmmm..... )

Seth
LektroiD
They've arrived. Looking great!
qfactor
LeftyLogic wrote:

And as far as 10-turns go, the ones I bought were the cheap ones from Jameco, but I can't yet vouch for their quality. (And they also seem to have gone up in price by $2 since I bought them. hmmm..... )


I thought I also read somewhere in the other LVCO build thread that instead of using the 10k 10-turn pot, you could also substitute it with a "normal" 100k pot instead?
Or did I dream that I read that??!! sad banana hmmm.....
synchromesh
LeftyLogic wrote:
synchromesh--I hate to say it, but the reason you haven't gotten your order yet is because I haven't gotten it shipped yet. oops So far I'm up to number 67 on my list and you're number 83, so I should probably be able to get your order out next week sometime.


No problem whatsoever, thanks for the update! thumbs up
nd595
Many Thanks Seth, PCBs and panel arrived in perfect state, quality is top, and I am turning my soldering iron on!
lamouette/rck
Same here, they are beautiful !

Thanks for doing this ! we're not worthy
4floorsofwhores
Everyone. Please stop putting up messages of how wonderful it all is. The wait is killing me smile
thetwlo
Just received mine. THANKS!!!!

However, 3(of 5) panels had bent corners from shipping.

For orders not yet shipped, you may want to look into shipping using the free Small Flat Rate Box from USPS. Shipping will often be cheaper ($5 cheaper for my order) and you don't have to pay for a mailer. + it includes $50 insurance.

They look great. Many thanks for doing this!!!
Isaiah
LeftyLogic
PCBs arrived a moment ago.
Thanks for organising this!
ppccdd
Nice mail lady just brought these to me. Looking super good! Thank you, thank you, thank you! You did super job with these!
latigid on
I have my set too, many thanks. Some light scratches on the front face.
notmiserlouagain
Guinness ftw!
Thanks, Seth
4floorsofwhores
Can't wait to start hearing everyone's demos and really can't wait to get my hands on my boards smile
CrysWiz
got the pcbs, thanks Seth.
greeensmaaan
SO. CLOSE.

MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING

I am going out of town next week so hopefully it gets here before/after (hides)
nigel
Arrived safely in Australia, thanks! Now waiting for parts.
LeftyLogic
Hey all! Sorry I haven't been posting much lately, February is typically a pretty crappy month for me and I was feeling a bit overwhelmed to be honest. eek! Fortunately, I'm feeling a whole lot better now that it's March, so I should be able to keep up with things much better now thumbs up

Anyway, I'm super glad to hear that more orders have been showing up! I can't wait to see you guys start building these! It's peanut butter jelly time!

thetwlo-- I am really sorry about the damaged panels! I'd be happy to swap them out with some new ones if you would like. And thanks for the suggestion RE flat rate boxes! I hadn't looked too hard at those because they're extremely uneconomical for small international orders, but I think I'll definitely start using those for the larger orders.

latigid on-- You ordered an aluminum panel, right? If so, they ship with a protective plastic coating on them which tends to get pretty darn scraped up, but once you peel that off, the actual aluminum should be okay. Although if it is the panel itself that's scraped up, I'd be happy to replace it for you!

Seth
pantalones
Got em! Some light scratching on the front panel but otherwise everything looks great. Now I'm trying to track down the BOM and build instructions...
adnauseam
I'm seriously interested if there's another run of these.

Thanks

applause
thetwlo
thetwlo-- I am really sorry about the damaged panels! I'd be happy to swap them out with some new ones if you would like. And thanks for the suggestion... [/quote]

It's all good, not planning on reselling them, so no big deal.
Thanks again!!!!
LeftyLogic
pantalones wrote:
Got em! Some light scratching on the front panel but otherwise everything looks great. Now I'm trying to track down the BOM and build instructions...

Hey, I checked my list and it looks like I sent you an aluminum panel, so as I said earlier, the alu panels ship with a protective plastic covering which should keep the panel itself from getting scratched up. Take the plastic off and it should take the scratches with it! thumbs up

I see from your post on the build thread that you've already found the BOMs, but unfortunately there isn't a build guide quite yet. I've been meaning to put one together, but I haven't had time to build anything since the semester started. Spring break's coming up though, so I'm hoping I'll be able to do it then! It's peanut butter jelly time!
adnauseam wrote:
I'm seriously interested if there's another run of these.

Thanks

applause

I'm pretty sure that I'm going to have several spare sets left over once I get all the preorders shipped, so I'd happy to send you a message once I know for sure!
thetwlo wrote:
It's all good, not planning on reselling them, so no big deal.
Thanks again!!!!

You're very welcome! I'm glad that they're still going to work for you. This is fun!

Anyway, I got another 19 orders shipped yesterday, and I'm going to try and get as many as I can packed up over the weekend so I should be getting some more shipped at the start of next week. w00t

Seth
loydb
Have I mentioned I'm in for 2 on the next run?

I'm in for two on the next run.
glacial23
I would definitely be interested in a panel or two from the leftovers or another run.
simfonik
LeftyLogic – Do you know if mine will make it out in the next batch? Not trying to jump ahead in the order, but I'm trying to gauge when I might expect the panel.

Thanks!
tekzon
An other
"I just receive mines and they are awesome! Yeahhhh!"

Thanks
SlayerBadger!
sixty_n
missed this but I'd definitely be up for one if there's another run or spares
latigid on
LeftyLogic wrote:
latigid on-- You ordered an aluminum panel, right? If so, they ship with a protective plastic coating on them which tends to get pretty darn scraped up, but once you peel that off, the actual aluminum should be okay. Although if it is the panel itself that's scraped up, I'd be happy to replace it for you!


Indeed, I just had a quick once over when the package came, but it certainly looks to be limited to the protective coating. I doff my hat to thee Sir!

Now, the BOMs you posted a little way back, these are current and good? And do some of the pots really need rerouting/kludging, seeing as the Eurorack style builds need PCB-mounted pots to fix the front panel?

Thanks again!
Silicium
sixty_n wrote:
missed this but I'd definitely be up for one if there's another run or spares


me 2!
monno
Panel and pcb set arrived safely a while back. I´ve been preoccupied with other things to start my build, but looking forward to start it as soon as I get the last parts i need sorted.

I am really happy with the way the FR4 panel turned out. A white panel is a welcome distraction from the otherwise utilitarian look my system has.
billsship
Got mine today, thanks! thumbs up
duff
My boards and panel have arrived thumbs up

The FR4 panel really looks fantastic love

Great job thanks for making this happen.
LeftyLogic
simfonik wrote:
LeftyLogic – Do you know if mine will make it out in the next batch? Not trying to jump ahead in the order, but I'm trying to gauge when I might expect the panel.

Thanks!

Well, so far I've got everything packed up to number 118 on my list, and you're number 125. So assuming I get some more packed up tomorrow, your order should be shipping out with the next batch on thursday! thumbs up
tekzon wrote:
An other
"I just receive mines and they are awesome! Yeahhhh!"

Thanks
SlayerBadger!

Sweet, great to hear! It's peanut butter jelly time! Thank you!
latigid on wrote:
Indeed, I just had a quick once over when the package came, but it certainly looks to be limited to the protective coating. I doff my hat to thee Sir!

Now, the BOMs you posted a little way back, these are current and good? And do some of the pots really need rerouting/kludging, seeing as the Eurorack style builds need PCB-mounted pots to fix the front panel?

Thanks again!

Cool, I'm glad the panel itself is okay. applause All of the BOMs I've posted are the current ones, so you should be good there. I built my prototype without any kludges whatsoever and it seems to work fine, although the response of the FM and PWM attenuators could probably be improved somewhat by using the kludge that's detailed on the build thread. Good luck with the build! It's peanut butter jelly time!
monno wrote:
Panel and pcb set arrived safely a while back. I´ve been preoccupied with other things to start my build, but looking forward to start it as soon as I get the last parts i need sorted.

I am really happy with the way the FR4 panel turned out. A white panel is a welcome distraction from the otherwise utilitarian look my system has.

duff wrote:
My boards and panel have arrived thumbs up

The FR4 panel really looks fantastic love

Great job thanks for making this happen.

I'm really glad you guys like the FR4 panels! I'm really proud of how those turned out. It's motherfucking bacon yo
billsship wrote:
Got mine today, thanks! thumbs up

You're very welcome!
loydb wrote:
Have I mentioned I'm in for 2 on the next run?

I'm in for two on the next run.

glacial23 wrote:
I would definitely be interested in a panel or two from the leftovers or another run.

sixty_n wrote:
missed this but I'd definitely be up for one if there's another run or spares

Silicium wrote:

me 2!

My goodness! Something tells me my spares aren't gonna last too long. hihi
I'll make sure to send you guys PMs when I make them available!

Seth
klanglicht
hi
has someone made a mouser project from the bom?
cheers sascha
synchromesh
Hi Seth,

My panels arrived here in sunny Norfolk today. They look great! SlayerBadger! Thanks again for doing all this for us! screaming goo yo

I'm even able to put banana jacks in them with a minimum of fuss and no panel drilling. Phew! thumbs up
LeftyLogic
Welp, I just got the last of the paid preorders shipped! It's peanut butter jelly time!
However, there are still a few people who ordered but haven't paid yet, so I'm going to give them two weeks to pay, and then start selling off the remaining stock.

If you preordered but haven't paid yet, you have two weeks to do so! Any orders left unpaid by March 26th will be sold to someone else!

synchromesh wrote:
Hi Seth,

My panels arrived here in sunny Norfolk today. They look great! SlayerBadger! Thanks again for doing all this for us! screaming goo yo

I'm even able to put banana jacks in them with a minimum of fuss and no panel drilling. Phew! thumbs up

Great to hear! applause And I'm glad that bananas will work with them! I actually designed the layout specifically to be compatible with banana jacks, but I thought that I had accidentally made the mounting holes too small. What kind of jacks are you using?
klanglicht wrote:
hi
has someone made a mouser project from the bom?
cheers sascha

As far as I know nobody's made a mouser project for this yet, but I'd be happy to put one together over the weekend! thumbs up

Seth
Mindarp
Got mine in the mail today!!!! Thank you so much. Not a scratch on anything.
Btw the white panel is way sexier than I thought it would be. But the aluminum one will look great in my case too.
Non-Digital Tom
Silicium wrote:
sixty_n wrote:
missed this but I'd definitely be up for one if there's another run or spares


me 2!


me 3!
appliancide
You can put me down for a leftover set or a second run if either happen.
Altitude909
arrived safely in Mi. Thanks Seth! Love the duel style pot footprints
synchromesh
LeftyLogic wrote:
synchromesh wrote:
I'm even able to put banana jacks in them with a minimum of fuss and no panel drilling. Phew! thumbs up

Great to hear! applause And I'm glad that bananas will work with them! I actually designed the layout specifically to be compatible with banana jacks, but I thought that I had accidentally made the mounting holes too small. What kind of jacks are you using?


I'm using the TruConnect ones from Thonk. The Emerson jacks are too big and don't fit. I've put a few photos on Flickr:







Fairly self-explanatory... I'm happy to have the "high-profile" jacks on the front in order to not have to drill out all those through-hole plated holes in the fibreglass. I haven't checked them against the PCBs but it should help there too.
Kunfuz
Seth, just wanted you to know that I got my stuff last monday, thanks man! thumbs up
extinguish
Thanks Seth, panel and boards arrived yesterday! Now added to my backlog w00t
qp
forgot to mention. PCB's and panels arrived last week! Everything looks top notch!
FingerTappin
Everything arrived safe and sound. Looks great! Thanks
Fwestivus
They just arrived! Absolutely perfect - You've done an amazing job putting this all together!
Can't wait to get started on them!
puzo
mine came the other day, great looking pcbs and panel, many thanks
jflower
The corners on my panels got a little messed up, enough to make them not lie flat on a surface, but not enough to get me down. I'll just "reform" them before building. Stoked this is in the backlog.
jazzmonster
Sent PM.

If there are any PCB sets leftover I'd like to order 1.

Thanks
weedywhizz
Got my panels/pcbs yesterday. Thank you Seth.
onlyHzwhenI...
Got mine! Should have mentioned it before, got distracted by life.

Thanks Seth, these look great.

The corners on my aluminum panels got a bit dinged up in shipping. Totally usable, just not as nice as when they left Kansas. If you ever do other runs you might wanna find a better way to pack the shipment, or at least figure in some wastage in the batch. Or not.

Thanks a bunch to LeftyLogic for making this run happen. Also much appreciation to logicgate & Barcode and everyone else who had a hand in developing and testing this run.
The legend of JH will be a noisy one!

~JT
admviolin
Got mine the other day. Everything in great shape. Thanks so much.
pantalones
Lefty - any chance of that updated BOM / mouser cart you mentioned?
evengravy
Still no sign yet, should I be concerned?
evengravy
Turned up today, they look great, thanks a lot!

May I ask what company made the boards? The matte silk screen is lovely!
LeftyLogic
Hello everyone! I'm glad to hear that so many of you have been receiving your orders without issue!

jflower and onlyHzwhenI..., I'm really sorry about the damage to your panels. I'd be happy to swap them out with new ones if you would like!

pantalones, I haven't been able to put together a mouser project, but Alititude909 posted one in the build thread a few days ago. It's only one oscillator's worth though, so you'd have to order three of that and then put a separate one together for the driver. Also, some people are having trouble with mouser resistors not fitting into the PCBs, so I'd recommend buying those from Tayda. (Actually, you can get effectively the entire project from Tayda, except for the 3046, the tempco, and the polystyrene capacitor, so you might look into that as well.)

evengravy, I got the PCBs from a chinese company called Project PCB. If I remember right, RYO recommended them in a thread asking about who to use for PCB material front panels. They aren't too cost-effective for 1-offs, but once you order 10 or more boards it gets pretty inexpensive. They've also got a fantastic online quote generator!

Okay, so I know I said that I was going to start selling off my spares today, but unfortunately I was diagnosed with influenza B this afternoon, and I just don't feel up to it right now. As such, I think I'm going to keep orders closed for a few more days until I can get over this crud. zombie

Sorry for the delay!
Seth
Altitude909
LeftyLogic wrote:
Hello everyone! I'm glad to hear that so many of you have been receiving your orders without issue!

jflower and onlyHzwhenI..., I'm really sorry about the damage to your panels. I'd be happy to swap them out with new ones if you would like!

pantalones, I haven't been able to put together a mouser project, but Alititude909 posted one in the build thread a few days ago. It's only one oscillator's worth though, so you'd have to order three of that and then put a separate one together for the driver. Also, some people are having trouble with mouser resistors not fitting into the PCBs, so I'd recommend buying those from Tayda. (Actually, you can get effectively the entire project from Tayda, except for the 3046, the tempco, and the polystyrene capacitor, so you might look into that as well.)

evengravy, I got the PCBs from a chinese company called Project PCB. If I remember right, RYO recommended them in a thread asking about who to use for PCB material front panels. They aren't too cost-effective for 1-offs, but once you order 10 or more boards it gets pretty inexpensive. They've also got a fantastic online quote generator!

Okay, so I know I said that I was going to start selling off my spares today, but unfortunately I was diagnosed with influenza B this afternoon, and I just don't feel up to it right now. As such, I think I'm going to keep orders closed for a few more days until I can get over this crud. zombie

Sorry for the delay!
Seth


Do NOT use that BOM, I deleted my link but someone quoted me and the link is in the quote That has standard size 1/4 watt resistors based on the assumption that this board takes standard size 1/4 resistors which is NOT the case. They dont fit the holes and do not fit the board vertically
onlyHzwhenI...
LeftyLogic wrote:
...onlyHzwhenI..., I'm really sorry about the damage to your panels. I'd be happy to swap them out with new ones if you would like!
No worries here! thumbs up Again, thanks for all your effort.

Hope you feel better soon, Seth. Just pretend this Guinness ftw! is OJ. And that OJ isn't a killer. Never mind. Just get well, ok!

~JT
simfonik
Got my panel. Looks great!

Does anyone have a Mouser BOM for this they can share?
ThecureForSin
Has anyone wired it up yet? I don't full understand how the drive pad plays into things.
klanglicht
Hi Altitude909
Do mean that mouser project which is faulty?
http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=4f8d2 2ba71
Unfortunetaly i tried to build a mouser project but my knowledge is to weak very frustrating
Is it possible that you adjust it with the right components? Im eager to pay you something for the project of the 12v core and driver.
Cheers Sascha
pantalones
For anyone who has built this successfully and has it working, in lieu of making a BOM, could you

- just go lazy and paste your order receipt or cart?
- take a picture of your boards?

thanks so much
Altitude909
klanglicht wrote:
Hi Altitude909
Do mean that mouser project which is faulty?
http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=4f8d2 2ba71
Unfortunetaly i tried to build a mouser project but my knowledge is to weak very frustrating
Is it possible that you adjust it with the right components? Im eager to pay you something for the project of the 12v core and driver.
Cheers Sascha


dont use it. The resistors dont fit and the pots are on the huge side as well. The footprints are OK bu the threaded section is 8mm which is too big for the panel (you could drill it i suppose) I've shelved this project for now, parts are on back order at digikey till May so I'll pick it back up then and do a bom for there.
LeftyLogic
Hello everyone! I'm sorry to have been gone for so long, that whole influenza thing really screwed me up.

Anyway, I just tallied up the PCB sets and panels that I have left over, and it comes to: 14 aluminum panels, 17 FR4 panels (four of which have somewhat large blemishes), and 28 PCB sets.

I'm going to be out of town for most of the weekend, so I'm going to reopen orders at 12:00 AM CST next Tuesday (the 14th). So, if you're interested in ordering a set, please send me a PM after that time. If you've already sent me a PM or posted in the thread about wanting a set, I will be sending out reminders on Monday, but please note that orders received before 12:00 AM CST next Tuesday will not be fulfilled. Orders received after that will be fulfilled on a first-come first-served basis.

Additionally, due to the number of panels vs PCB sets I have remaining, I'm not going to be able to sell individual PCB sets without a panel. (I don't particularly want to have any loose panels laying around without PCB sets to go with them) However, I will be able to sell panels without a PCB set, so if enough people buy loose panels, I might have enough PCB sets left to sell a couple of them individually as well.

The blemished FR4 panels I'm going to discount to $10 apiece, so if you want one of those, please make note of that in your order.

And due to the number of people interested in these leftovers, I would like to ask that you limit yourselves to a maximum of 2 sets per customer.

Thank you!
Seth
pantalones
Altitude909 wrote:
I'll pick it back up then and do a bom for there.


Thanks so much...really appreciate that.
LeftyLogic
Alright, orders are open again!

I realize that I'm a bit late on the draw in updating the thread, but to everyone who pm'd me an order last night, don't worry; it looks like everything came through after midnight, so your orders are all valid. However, I'm not going to be able to get everyone responded to tonight, so don't panic if I haven't responded yet.

Thanks everyone!
Seth
weedywhizz
I have 3 sets to sell in the EU if anyone is interested.
I thought about it but won't buy smaller sized resistors only for this project.
So if have a good stock of Tayda resistors go for it.

Cheers
Steffen

EDIT: All 3 sets gone.
orlog24
im very interested if there are any extras
loydb
I'll take a pcb/panel set if available.
mattfearsatan
I'm also interested in a panel / pcb set combo if any available
Thanks
Matt
3M-10
I'm interested in one (or two if available), panel / pcb sets,

thanks,
3M-10
nordlead
Don't want to spam this thread, just in case you missed it:

There will soon be "official" Jürgen Haible pcbs available (again) - also for the Living VCOs in an extended version with the Haible VCA / distortion on board - with routing and layout very close to the original boards. Pcb format was chosen so that it works for Euro, too. More info in this thread.
w00t
weedywhizz
nordlead wrote:
Don't want to spam this thread, just in case you missed it:

There will soon be "official" Jürgen Haible pcbs available (again) - also for the Living VCOs in an extended version with the Haible VCA / distortion on board - with routing and layout very close to the original boards. Pcb format was chosen so that it works for Euro, too. More info in this thread.
w00t


Definitely the way to go for me. With proper part spacing as always I guess applause
FingerTappin
Edit: gone
synchromesh
nordlead wrote:
the Living VCOs in an extended version with the Haible VCA / distortion on board


Is that the "VCA/inverter/overdrive" from http://www.jhaible.com/additional_schemos.html? I might have to look at retrofitting it to my Living VCOs PCBs - although I don't know what to do about the front panel... and I should really avoid feature-creep until I've built at least one of them up. This is fun!
Jack Gull
topic title has been saying
>spares available

is it true? how many?
colorbars
Messaged for PCBs and an aluminum panel but got no response waah
LeftyLogic
Hi! Sorry I haven't gotten back to you, I'm a little bogged down with homework at the moment. Dead Banana I'm going to try and get everyone replied to tomorrow night!

Seth
colorbars
Thanks! applause
pantalones
hi all, i'm ultimately deciding this build isn't for me, too little time & more advanced than i can deal with right now. I already have 15+ cv-able oscs from ARP to cwej to roland, so 3 more isn't that critical. offering it up for trade before offering it back up for sale. everything is brand new as LeftyLogic sent it.

FOR SALE: $40 shipped in CONUS
Living VCO Aluminum Panel & PCBs from LeftyLogic
oberkorn
late to the game I know, but if there are any spare panels, I'm up for one. I have PCBs already.
Padrat
Count me in for a set of left over PCBs as well!
hammyhams
I'm in for a set of PCBs as well if they are still available!
colorbars
Can't wait to build this w00t
SMonk
Got my two sets+panels today. Looks fine. Thanks!
leterell
would be interested in one aluminium panel.

tried to pm you, but ran into problems which are over my head. some technical stuff was shown.

will try later, but you can also pm me if you find the time.
jasonh23
Got my PCBs in the mail today... super quick shipping and they look great. Thanks again!
mattfearsatan
Hey Seth,
Got my set through the post today and looks great. Really nice job with the panel and my stock of resistors just about go through the holes! smile
Thanks again
Matt
sammy123
PM sent.
sixty_n
Thanks very much Seth, got my boards and panel through today
MarcMooga
Oh I am late!
very frustrating
Great stuff!

I think I will Go for upcoming random Source pcb!
sy_arp
Will you be doing another run of these?

thanks Guinness ftw!
STOJ
I have one set of PCB's and aluminium panel for sale! PM me if interested.

I have bought 2 sets and I'm still building 1st one. I don't have enough space in my case or time to build another one!
Grumskiz
I'm not trying to start another legal debate, I just felt like pointing out that nordlead of RandomSource is now the owner of Mr. Haibles Intellectual Property and is working on recreating, improving and re-releasing his designs. AFAIK there will be an improved LVCO PCB in the near future smile
samuraipizzacat29
I get the feeling this was done with his blessing because it was provided as not for profit.
nordlead
Grumskiz wrote:
I'm not trying to start another legal debate, I just felt like pointing out that nordlead of RandomSource is now the owner of Mr. Haibles Intellectual Property and is working on recreating, improving and re-releasing his designs. AFAIK there will be an improved LVCO PCB in the near future smile


Grumskiz is right, many thanks thumbs up - actually an (official) extended version of the Living VCOs (including waveshapers, SYNC, matched transistors, Haible's VCA/Inverter/Overdrive) is already available. A (parallel) component pcb fur Euro is currently being tested so front panel and component pcb for Euro will be available soon on jhaible.com.

samuraipizzacat29 wrote:
I get the feeling this was done with his blessing because it was provided as not for profit.


Any previous Euro runs (including the one of this thread) were done without Jürgen's (AFAIK or my) consent or approval. They were started in the time after Jürgen's tragic death when his work and intellectual property had fallen into that legal abeyance and before I managed to get his electronic heritage out of there.

I'd like to let the past be the past and would appreciate your support of Jürgen's work and the "bringing it back to life" project on jhaible.com. thumbs up

And here's a post worth reading:

Muffwiggler wrote:
Please take a moment to review the forum's policy on copyright and IP infringement here:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=630578#630578


Thanks for your understanding and assistance
sy_arp
STOJ

Hi, I'm interested in your Living Memory PCB & Panel, if they're still available.
How much u asking?

Thanks!
STOJ
sy_arp wrote:
STOJ

Hi, I'm interested in your Living Memory PCB & Panel, if they're still available.
How much u asking?

Thanks!


sy_arp

I sent you PM

EDIT:
Panel and pcbs are still for sale!
thetwlo
I have 3 sets for sale with alum panel.
I have three some(two) have a small dent on the lower left of the panel, no big deal or I would've returned them.
$45 per set, 4 pcbs with aluminum panel! shipped in the US. First come, best panel, but, not a big deal.
These sound amazing!!!
if you need CA3046 $2 each, you need 3 or 4 for this. not sure.
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