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What kind of panel would you prefer?

White FR4 PCB material, black graphics
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27%
Natural Aluminum, black graphics
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44%
I don't care, just gimme a panel!
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14%
I don't care, just gimme a panel!
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14%
 
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[Spares Available!] Euro panels +PCBs for the Living VCO!

Post by LeftyLogic » Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:57 pm

*All preorders shipped! If you preordered but haven't paid yet, you have two weeks to do so! Any orders left unpaid by March 26th will be sold to someone else!*

Here's the final draft of the 34HP panel design:
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As I said earlier, the final pricing for the panels depends on the number of orders I receive, but here are some estimates:

*Edit 11/5/14--Pricing update*
Good news! I've had enough orders for each option to be able to say that both runs are definitely going to be happening!

*Edit 11/25/14--Another pricing update*
Panel pricing is now solid at $15 apiece for the FR4 and $30 apiece for the Aluminum panels!

Additionally, Barcode and Logicgate have given me permission to do a run of PCBs to go along with the panels!

*Edit 11/16/14* PCBs are now ~$6 per set of 3 VCOs and 1 Driver! :banana:

To order, please send me a PM containing the quantity of panels and PCB sets you would like to order, as well as your paypal address, and mailing address. At the end of the ordering period, I will send you a paypal invoice for whatever the final pricing turns out to be, and I will ship your order as soon as it arrives from the manufacturer!

Thanks very much to everyone who's chimed in so far, and to Logicgate and Barcode for all the work they've done towards making this project available again!

Seth

*Edit 11/2/14--Shipping information*
Shipping looks as though it'll be a little less than $5 for US orders, and around $10 for International. I'll send everyone who orders a more specific quote once I've got everything ready to ship.


*Original post below*

Hello everyone!
Based on some recent discussion in the J. Haible's Living VCO For Euro thread, I would like to put a run together of these panels: (see above for final revision)

The current design is 34 HP, (With thanks due to Randy for convincing me to shrink it down from 38!) and I am considering two different options for what material to use:
The first is 2MM White FR4 PCB material. This is my preferred option because it's extremely inexpensive and I like how it looks, but I know there are quite a few people out there who prefer to have all aluminum systems, so I would also like to offer the option of getting them in that material as well.

Final pricing will depend on the number of panels ordered, but here are some estimates:
For the PCB panels it's looking like something like $25 apiece for 10-25 panels, but it goes down to around $10 to $12 for more than 25.
The Aluminum panels will be significantly more expensive; based on a quote I received for an earlier revision of the design it looks like they'll cost around $55 apiece for 10, or $35 apiece for more than 25.

Is anyone interested in these?

Seth


*Edit 10/26* Increased panel width to 34HP due to some spacing mistakes.
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Post by LeftyLogic » Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:58 pm

Key: [Ordered], [Paid], [Shipped].
[Number of FR4 panels ordered], [Number of Aluminum panels ordered], [Number of PCB sets ordered]

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Post by thresholdpeople » Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:03 pm

I'm going to put mine into a custom enclosure, so I'll be making my own panel, but I voted for white PCB with black lettering. I think that'll look really nice.

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Post by Grumskiz » Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:13 pm

Definiatly interested! I love this panel layout.
But I was wondering:
This is a eurorack (3U) panel right? Not a Frac (4U) one. I'm asking because I got a little confused in the original thread as to which panel people where talking about...

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Post by LeftyLogic » Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:35 pm

thresholdpeople wrote:I'm going to put mine into a custom enclosure, so I'll be making my own panel, but I voted for white PCB with black lettering. I think that'll look really nice.
Thank you! A custom enclosure sounds like a cool idea, I look forward to seeing it!
Grumskiz wrote:Definiatly interested! I love this panel layout.
But I was wondering:
This is a eurorack (3U) panel right? Not a Frac (4U) one. I'm asking because I got a little confused in the original thread as to which panel people where talking about...
Thanks! And yup, this is a Eurorack panel. Both Euro and Frac are technically supposed to be the same height, (3 rack units) but most Eurorack enclosures have a small lip on each rail, which forces Euro panels to be slightly shorter than an equivalent Frac panel. This is one of the reasons why it's such a PITA to fit a Frac module into a Euro case. :deadbanana:
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Post by Grumskiz » Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:43 pm

Thanks for the quick answer LeftyLogic.
I actually did not know, that Frac is just a full height :o
Well I'm a eurorack only guy ;)

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Post by LeftyLogic » Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:58 pm

Grumskiz wrote:Thanks for the quick answer LeftyLogic.
I actually did not know, that Frac is just a full height :o
Well I'm a eurorack only guy ;)
No problem! I'm glad you're interested! :cloud:
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Post by Skaput » Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:02 pm

:party: my vote for aluminum, thats if your considering international orders.

Also does this design mean we can mount the pcb to the panel with the pots or will it be bracket and standoff job.

Thanks for taking this on by the way. :tu:

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Post by raisinbag » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:17 pm

Hey hey, so my vote is for white pcb with black writting! I try to keep my builds as cheap as possible, plus white looks sexy! My Koma filter is white with black and it looks killer. So ya if you get pcb price to $10 as I said I'll get 5. If we don't make the cheaper tier I'll probably just get one or two. Also curious if holes line up with pots on boards. I'm pretty sure they, looking at design.

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Post by LeftyLogic » Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:17 am

Skaput wrote::party: my vote for aluminum, thats if your considering international orders.

Also does this design mean we can mount the pcb to the panel with the pots or will it be bracket and standoff job.

Thanks for taking this on by the way. :tu:
raisinbag wrote: Hey hey, so my vote is for white pcb with black writting! I try to keep my builds as cheap as possible, plus white looks sexy! My Koma filter is white with black and it looks killer. So ya if you get pcb price to $10 as I said I'll get 5. If we don't make the cheaper tier I'll probably just get one or two. Also curious if holes line up with pots on boards. I'm pretty sure they, looking at design.
Thanks guys! :banana: International orders are perfectly fine with me, but I'm pretty sure shipping will be somewhat more expensive. And yup, everything is lined up so that the PCBs can be mounted directly via the pots! :tu: Although one thing to note is that you'll have to use 9mm pots instead of 16mm ones because the spacing's a little too tight for the larger ones to fit.
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Post by LeftyLogic » Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:44 am

Well... I just had a total :doh: moment. It turns out that with the way the Driver board is designed, on my current panel layout the PCB would end up smack dab in the middle of one of the "track/free" switches. So, it unfortunately looks as though I'm going to have to make a few changes to my layout to get that fixed. I've come up with a few different ideas that should hopefully get everything to fit:
The first option would be to remove the offending switch entirely; the second option would be to remove the +-OCT switch and put one of the Track/Free switches in its place; and the third option would be to leave everything as is, but increase the panel width to 32HP to allow for a little more room to spread everything out.
Personally, I favor the first option, as it would be easy for the builder to just normalize the 1V/OCT jack on whichever oscillator loses its switch to the Driver output, but I would like to hear everyone's opinion on which option you all would prefer.

Sorry about this!
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Post by mush » Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:18 am

Check the width too. I believe that is the same width as mine. And I couldn't get 16mm pots to fit, so everything got wired on mine... A bit more work..

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Post by raisinbag » Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:51 am

Personally on a board that big, I don't mind and extra 2hp and keeping options availible. But would bail if you did option #3 either. Just need to label so one would know what's going on.

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Post by Grumskiz » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:44 am

I wouldn't mind the board being wider...
9mm pots only kinda sucks tho :(
Maybe it's just me, but everytime I see them, they are almost 3x the price of 16mm ones :cry:

Still I love this panel design and want one for my rack :D

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Post by Jop » Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:33 am

Nice panel Seth! I prefer aluminum and 32hp.

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Post by raisinbag » Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:48 am

LeftyLogic wrote:
Skaput wrote::party: my vote for aluminum, thats if your considering international orders.

Also does this design mean we can mount the pcb to the panel with the pots or will it be bracket and standoff job.

Thanks for taking this on by the way. :tu:
raisinbag wrote: Hey hey, so my vote is for white pcb with black writting! I try to keep my builds as cheap as possible, plus white looks sexy! My Koma filter is white with black and it looks killer. So ya if you get pcb price to $10 as I said I'll get 5. If we don't make the cheaper tier I'll probably just get one or two. Also curious if holes line up with pots on boards. I'm pretty sure they, looking at design.
Hey what part of spacing is too tight for the 16mm pots? I just stuck 16mm alphas into a PCB to see what it looked like and they are really close, but still fit the footprint of the PCB, so confused why they wouldnt fit the panel?


Thanks guys! :banana: International orders are perfectly fine with me, but I'm pretty sure shipping will be somewhat more expensive. And yup, everything is lined up so that the PCBs can be mounted directly via the pots! :tu: Although one thing to note is that you'll have to use 9mm pots instead of 16mm ones because the spacing's a little too tight for the larger ones to fit.

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Post by LeftyLogic » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:43 am

Well, ask and ye shall receive! This version's got room for both 16mm pots and all the switches! Unfortunately, the tradeoff is that I had to go up to 34 HP instead of just 32, but I would call that a small price to pay for a $30 savings in potentiometer costs. :omg:

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Post by Grumskiz » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:54 am

I love it! :cloud:

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Post by raisinbag » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:11 am

I love it too!!!! :omg: I really don't care about more hp, but being a case maker I'm kinda spoiled!!

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Post by LeftyLogic » Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:06 pm

Grumskiz wrote:I love it! :cloud:
raisinbag wrote:I love it too!!!! :omg: I really don't care about more hp, but being a case maker I'm kinda spoiled!!
Thanks guys! I'm really glad you like it! :cloud:
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Post by raisinbag » Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:02 pm

We'll then Byotches!!!! Order a bunch so we can all get some at cheap ass prices!!!!!! I'm sure barcode sold to more than 12 peeps.

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Post by LektroiD » Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:54 pm

Count me in for an aluminium panel... 34HP is good for me if it accommodates 16mm pots ;)

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Post by LeftyLogic » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:09 pm

raisinbag wrote:We'll then Byotches!!!! Order a bunch so we can all get some at cheap ass prices!!!!!! I'm sure barcode sold to more than 12 peeps.
:lolspew:
LektroiD wrote:Count me in for an aluminium panel... 34HP is good for me if it accommodates 16mm pots ;)
Alright, consider yourself counted! :tu: And yup, 16mm pots should fit perfectly. In fact, you'll actually have to use them on the Driver board, because with 9mm ones there isn't enough distance between the board and the pot, so the PCB interferes with one of the switches. Either type should work fine with the VCOs though!
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Post by LeftyLogic » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:38 am

Okay, I've got another quick layout question for you guys. At the moment, the knob scales on this panel have a diameter of around a half an inch, because in my personal builds I've found that black Davies knobs look pretty damn gorgeous on a white panel. However, having the scales that small effectively restricts you to not being able to use anything other than Davies knobs (or maybe small MakeNoise knobs). Is that alright with everyone, or should I see if I can change the diameter to something a little larger?
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Post by qfactor » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:37 am

LeftyLogic wrote:Okay, I've got another quick layout question for you guys. At the moment, the knob scales on this panel have a diameter of around a half an inch, because in my personal builds I've found that black Davies knobs look pretty damn gorgeous on a white panel. However, having the scales that small effectively restricts you to not being able to use anything other than Davies knobs (or maybe small MakeNoise knobs). Is that alright with everyone, or should I see if I can change the diameter to something a little larger?
My take on this is, I'll go along with Davies knobs. :tu: :yay: :yay:

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