Hi,
Simple question, does the Make Noise CV Bus from the Shared System act as a passive multipler? I'm thinking of adding a Make Noise Multiple to my eurorack.
Regards,
Jostein
Make Noise CV Bus as multiple?
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Same here, you have to email and request one. Bear in mind a wait time of 5-8 weeks, as they prioritise those going to shared systems. If they have spare cases then they sell them. Hoping mine is here before Christmas as I'm planning on using it live in January!
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This is not true. It is not buffered - and any jack can be used as an input. AND if you accidentally patch two outputs to it the signal will 'mix' (as in the bad stackcable kind of mixing).sackley wrote:If you mean what I think you mean...
Yes, it's actually a buffered multiple. Four '1-in-4-outs'.
I'm not sure what else it could be...
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except that within the MakeNoise ecosystem (read: when using ONLY makenoise modules) this is totally allowed and will not cause any harm.reodjectz wrote:AND if you accidentally patch two outputs to it the signal will 'mix' (as in the bad stackcable kind of mixing).
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solaris wrote:except that within the MakeNoise ecosystem (read: when using ONLY makenoise modules) this is totally allowed and will not cause any harm.reodjectz wrote:AND if you accidentally patch two outputs to it the signal will 'mix' (as in the bad stackcable kind of mixing).
.... I hope that isn't their excuse for the maths famous "cycle is 'on' on your maths? We made your trigger-in an output for you!" issue.
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not sure that I get what do you mean, but if you use the search you will find a few posts by Tony stating that you can stack pulses because their inputs are OR'd.reodjectz wrote:solaris wrote:except that within the MakeNoise ecosystem (read: when using ONLY makenoise modules) this is totally allowed and will not cause any harm.reodjectz wrote:AND if you accidentally patch two outputs to it the signal will 'mix' (as in the bad stackcable kind of mixing).
.... I hope that isn't their excuse for the maths famous "cycle is 'on' on your maths? We made your trigger-in an output for you!" issue.
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I'm not sure what you're saying is true. As I understand it, you can't send audio into a passive multiple and feed out four other identical signals. Hence, the point of having a buffered multiple. I have, however, multiplied audio signals without problem using the Make Noise CV bus. I believe it is buffered. But perhaps Make Noise can clarify that.reodjectz wrote:This is not true. It is not buffered - and any jack can be used as an input. AND if you accidentally patch two outputs to it the signal will 'mix' (as in the bad stackcable kind of mixing).sackley wrote:If you mean what I think you mean...
Yes, it's actually a buffered multiple. Four '1-in-4-outs'.
I'm not sure what else it could be...
Kinda bugs me that there's no documentation for the CV Bus on their site.
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makenoise inputs (or ouputs?) are already "buffered" so you do not need a buffered mult.Reason101 wrote:I'm not sure what you're saying is true. As I understand it, you can't send audio into a passive multiple and feed out three other identical signals. Hence, the point of having a buffered multiple. I have, however, multiplied audio signals without problem using the Make Noise CV bus. I believe it is buffered. But perhaps Make Noise can clarify that.reodjectz wrote:This is not true. It is not buffered - and any jack can be used as an input. AND if you accidentally patch two outputs to it the signal will 'mix' (as in the bad stackcable kind of mixing).sackley wrote:If you mean what I think you mean...
Yes, it's actually a buffered multiple. Four '1-in-4-outs'.
I'm not sure what else it could be... :despair: :guinness:
EDIT:
http://www.makenoisemusic.com/mult.html
on that page they state
also on various manuals (maths, function, pressure points, etc)The Multiple is passive, because the Make Noise system does not require Buffered Multiples since all critical control signals are already buffered in such a way as to provide a large fan-out capability.
outputs capable of driving multiple destinations without loading effects (no buffered mult needed)
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ok, I don't know if the CV-bus is buffered or not BUT you don't need a buffered mult for MN modules (see my post above).Reason101 wrote:Right. So what you and I are saying is exactly the same thing. The CV bus is "buffered" -- the CV Bus acts as a buffered multiple. Potato / Potahtoesolaris wrote: makenoise inputs (or ouputs?) are already "buffered" so you do not need a buffered mult.
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Well then color me confused. In one message you said the Make Noise Inputs / Outputs are already "buffered" and then here you are saying the CV Bus is NOT buffered.solaris wrote:no :-)
the CV bus is passive (NOT buffered).
you could use any other non-buffered mult instead of the MN CV-bus and it will be the same.
All I'm saying is that I can split audio very successfully using the CV Bus. I was under the impression this could only be done with a buffered multiple, and NOT a passive one.
Maybe a little more clarification would help?
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The CV Bus is a passive multiple. You can use it to mult any type of signal: audio, CV or gates.Reason101 wrote:I'm not sure what you're saying is true. As I understand it, you can't send audio into a passive multiple and feed out three other identical signals. Hence, the point of having a buffered multiple. I have, however, multiplied audio signals without problem using the Make Noise CV bus. I believe it is buffered. But perhaps Make Noise can clarify that.reodjectz wrote:This is not true. It is not buffered - and any jack can be used as an input. AND if you accidentally patch two outputs to it the signal will 'mix' (as in the bad stackcable kind of mixing).sackley wrote:If you mean what I think you mean...
Yes, it's actually a buffered multiple. Four '1-in-4-outs'.
I'm not sure what else it could be...
The only time a buffered multiple is needed is when control voltage is sent from an unbuffered output to multiple destinations that require unity at the input: typically 1v/oct inputs. Because all critical CV outputs in the Make Noise System are buffered, a passive multiple is all that is needed.
Additionally, the CV Bus can be used for OR-combination of gates within the Make Noise System.
Combination of non-gate signals in the CV Bus is not supported, but will not damage anything.
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ok sorry :-)
I wanted to say that MN *modules* outs are buffered.
maths, function, pressure points, etc have buffered outs.
you don't need a buffered mult.
*maybe* the CV-bus is buffered, but I would be surprised.
I don't have one.
but I do have several MN modules and I never needed a buffered mult AND Tony & the users manuals state that you do not need one.
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I wanted to say that MN *modules* outs are buffered.
maths, function, pressure points, etc have buffered outs.
you don't need a buffered mult.
*maybe* the CV-bus is buffered, but I would be surprised.
I don't have one.
but I do have several MN modules and I never needed a buffered mult AND Tony & the users manuals state that you do not need one.
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Thanks for clarifying. I stand corrected.VortexRanger wrote: The CV Bus is a passive multiple. You can use it to mult any type of signal: audio, CV or gates.
The only time a buffered multiple is needed is when control voltage is sent from an unbuffered output to multiple destinations that require unity at the input: typically 1v/oct inputs. Because all critical CV outputs in the Make Noise System are buffered, a passive multiple is all that is needed.
Additionally, the CV Bus can be used for OR-combination of gates within the Make Noise System.
Combination of non-gate signals in the CV Bus is not supported, but will not damage anything.
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And I now understand the CV bus (and other modules) a little better.
A manual for that CV bus would be really handy.
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Very curious how this works as passive gate combining usually uses diode logic (diodes + pull down resistor_. Clearly there can't be any diodes for combining in the passive mult as this would screw up any other signals.VortexRanger wrote: Additionally, the CV Bus can be used for OR-combination of gates within the Make Noise System.
Combination of non-gate signals in the CV Bus is not supported, but will not damage anything.
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I'm not buying a maths though, not my idea of fun...
within the Make Noise System. That is the important part.flashheart wrote:Very curious how this works as passive gate combining usually uses diode logic (diodes + pull down resistor_. Clearly there can't be any diodes for combining in the passive mult as this would screw up any other signals.VortexRanger wrote: Additionally, the CV Bus can be used for OR-combination of gates within the Make Noise System.
Combination of non-gate signals in the CV Bus is not supported, but will not damage anything.
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I was misinformed then. As I said, I stand corrected. I had always thought you needed a buffered mult to split audio. Walker corrected things and shed light on their CV bus as well. Now I have the correct answer. Thanks again!reodjectz wrote:Who told you you need a buffered multiple to split audio? That is simply not true.
and I reiterate: the CV bus is a essentially a passive multiple with fancy LEDs; that's it.
While what solars is saying is true about regular MN modules, but not relevant to the CV bus.
Incidentally, I didn't know that you could use the bus as a combined or for gates. That little tidbit was also enlightening. And points once again to the need for documentation.
Rob
Forgive me for hijacking this thread a bit, but I have a question about the regular MN multiple. On the MN site, it says that you can create three 3-way, one 5-way & one 3-way, or one 7-way multiples. However, this is a bit confusing. If I am understanding this correctly, you're including the "input" as part of the "way," if that makes sense. And it leads me to question how the "break" points (jacks with white circles) are handled.
Can I assume that if I input into the top-most jack, that splits occur all the way down the line (except for the jacks with white circles)? In this case, you can input at the top jack, and have 6 splits that are output from that single input. So it's not a one 7-way split exactly. It's a 1 input to 6 output. Similarly, that would mean it can be a 3x (1 input to 2 output) module.
Can I also assume that jacks with the white circles are input only?
Do I have this right?
Thanks in advance for some answers. I only have the cv bus, and not an actual passive multiple.
Rob
Can I assume that if I input into the top-most jack, that splits occur all the way down the line (except for the jacks with white circles)? In this case, you can input at the top jack, and have 6 splits that are output from that single input. So it's not a one 7-way split exactly. It's a 1 input to 6 output. Similarly, that would mean it can be a 3x (1 input to 2 output) module.
Can I also assume that jacks with the white circles are input only?
Do I have this right?
Thanks in advance for some answers. I only have the cv bus, and not an actual passive multiple.
Rob