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Jasuto MIDI/ Modular sequencing via iPad

Post by horstronic » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:10 am

Hey guys,

I had the idea to use the Jasuto App for iPad to control my modular via MIDI/CV (Sequencer, LFO etc.). Does anybody know if that works? I don't have a MIDI Interface so I can't try it by myself but I am thinking about getting one for that.

Also I'd like to know if you guys have experiences with other iPad Apps like genome or stepPolyArp for use with a modular?

Does it even make sense to have just the 128 steps of MIDI or can you hear that when using LFOs and stuff?

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Post by _seph » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:53 am

I don't have a hardware modular (yet...), but if you're interested in using your iPad in conjunction with your modular, you may like this~ the RC1radiostar by Soundmachines ..it takes up a lot of hp but looks to have much potential

otherwise anything that outputs MIDI would work just fine along with a MIDI/CV converter. i've seen many examples of people using various apps alongside their modulars.

I don't have the apps that you've mentioned, but I have used Phaedra quite a bit and its a nice classic step sequencer and somewhat related to your inquiry, I have used it to sequence my old Moog Taurus II by using the MIDI out of my iO Dock to a Philip Rees Little MCV

ultimately it will probably be the Silent Way plugin that finally does me in.. I've seen several videos of people using it along with the Lemur app (which is worth every penny) and that level of hardware/software integration is very tempting, especially now that it also works within Reason

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Post by trabouliste » Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:57 am

it is very simple with iRig Midi, Jasuto MIDI connection isn't very stable, therefore I recommend the app "MidiBridge" in between.
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Post by GovernorSilver » Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:11 am

Zombie'd but.. now that it's been resurrected, check out zMors Modular. That's the one iPad modular app that was designed to interact with physical ones.

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Post by trabouliste » Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:20 am

zMors modular is iPad only, Jasuto is universal and very flexible!
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Post by GovernorSilver » Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:40 pm

trabouliste wrote:zMors modular is iPad only, Jasuto is universal and very flexible!
Can Jasuto send control voltage to hardware modular? zMors Modular can.

Also, can Jasuto load Pure Data patches? zMors Modular can.

When was the last time Jasuto was updated? zMors was updated just a few weeks ago.

Every app has pros and cons.

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Post by trabouliste » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:55 am

Unfortuntely the updates are very rare and the developer never reacts to emails. This is a big minus of Jasuto. The PD integration is an argument too, but not for me in the moment, because I cannot handle PD. For CV messages out of Jasuto I can use the MidiCC node and convert it via my Midi interface to cv. There are some more interseting features in zMors, maybe I will give it a try, but Jasuto I guess Jasuto is still the best for experimental electronics.
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Post by GovernorSilver » Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:52 am

trabouliste wrote:Unfortuntely the updates are very rare and the developer never reacts to emails. This is a big minus of Jasuto. The PD integration is an argument too, but not for me in the moment, because I cannot handle PD. For CV messages out of Jasuto I can use the MidiCC node and convert it via my Midi interface to cv. There are some more interseting features in zMors, maybe I will give it a try, but Jasuto I guess Jasuto is still the best for experimental electronics.
Jasuto probably needs to be updated for IOS 9.

It also needs to be updated to work with Audiobus. A lot of apps, including zMors, had to be updated to work with the latest Audiobus. The Audulus dev opted to remake the app instead as Audulus 3.

For these reasons, modular app users have abandoned Jasuto for zMors, Audulus 3, AnalogKit, etc.

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Post by trabouliste » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:20 pm

It is incredible: Jasuto works better with iOS9 than with iOS 7 or 8 - nearly without any crashes and I had never a crash while saving - as before! The same with the latest Audiobus - all problems are gone since iOS9, but as you can guess there is no state saving in Audiobus for Jasuto.
I gave Adulus3 a try and it is a big mess. For every step you need minimum 3 steps more than necessary and the module connection is very tricky. I better would have invested in zMors instead, but hey: Jasuto is still great.
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Post by GovernorSilver » Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:21 pm

trabouliste wrote:It is incredible: Jasuto works better with iOS9 than with iOS 7 or 8 - nearly without any crashes and I had never a crash while saving - as before! The same with the latest Audiobus - all problems are gone since iOS9, but as you can guess there is no state saving in Audiobus for Jasuto.
Wow! That is truly amazing for an app that hasn't been updated for a while, though to be fair, Sep. 2015 isn't as long ago as I'd thought. ;)

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Post by trabouliste » Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:45 am

GovernorSilver wrote:Wow! That is truly amazing for an app that hasn't been updated for a while, though to be fair, Sep. 2015 isn't as long ago as I'd thought. ;)
The last Jasuto update was in Dec. 2014, not in Sep. 2015.
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Post by GovernorSilver » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:58 pm

trabouliste wrote:
GovernorSilver wrote:Wow! That is truly amazing for an app that hasn't been updated for a while, though to be fair, Sep. 2015 isn't as long ago as I'd thought. ;)
The last Jasuto update was in Dec. 2014, not in Sep. 2015.
Ok, that IS a long, long time ago.

You're right, Sep. 2015 was the date of last price change.

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Post by rec.Koner » Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:19 am

After all these years i still love jasuto as it has perfect workflow/interface for me. Audulus is great but not my cup of tea etc.
The last Jasuto update was in Dec. 2014
btw that update added one new scene that's interesting. it's about smth binaurial.
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Post by trabouliste » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:31 am

btw that update added one new scene that's interesting. it's about smth binaurial.
which scene do you mean? There is one new node for binaural, the PanNode for panning, but no scene. And therefore I needed some time to figure out, how it works. Or do you mean the convolution node, it is interesting too but unfortunately a little bit buggy.
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Post by rec.Koner » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:35 am

Where do you find those nodes you mention?

No, i mean "dreamers" scene which wasn't in 1.6.0. but appears in last update in [Updated v1.7] folder (which has same tracks as [Advanced] folder + this one) with following description: "Binaural beat-based, sleepytime composition". Pretty beautiful, btw.
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Post by trabouliste » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:57 am

Where do you find those nodes you mention?
"Pan" under "Device". It does not work with "speaker". You have to use it instead of the speaker and amount is for left/right panning. "Conv" under "Spectral", the sample-input is for the captured/sampled room reverberation.
The scene "dreamers" is well crated but too much chorus/reverberation for my liking.
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Post by rec.Koner » Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:00 pm

i see, thanks.

yeah, "dreamers" sound like shoegaze :hmm:
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Post by syrupcore » Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:38 am

I wonder what Chris Wolfe (Jasuto dev) is actually up to. I know he also built Filtatron and at least parts of the original Animoog. Hope we haven't lost him to better paying development jobs!

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Post by GovernorSilver » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:12 am

syrupcore wrote:I wonder what Chris Wolfe (Jasuto dev) is actually up to. I know he also built Filtatron and at least parts of the original Animoog. Hope we haven't lost him to better paying development jobs!
Me too!

I respect trabouliste's devotion to Jasuto but I'm reluctant to invest more time on what looks like an abandoned app.

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Post by trabouliste » Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:23 pm

GovernorSilver wrote:
syrupcore wrote:I wonder what Chris Wolfe (Jasuto dev) is actually up to. I know he also built Filtatron and at least parts of the original Animoog. Hope we haven't lost him to better paying development jobs!
Me too!

I respect trabouliste's devotion to Jasuto but I'm reluctant to invest more time on what looks like an abandoned app.
I understand your doubts very well, but Jasuto seemed to be abandoned before and got finally an update. At that time I began to collect hardware and I own now a Buchla Easel and some more 200e modules, really good system - very bad service and documentation from BEMI and unfortunately not suitable for mobile music. I hope for a real substitute app before Jasuto will come to pieces, but if not I have to create soundsamples with my Buchla and to process them with other great apps like Borderlands, Samplr or iDensity. And there are so much more really good apps for mobile music with iPhone and iPad, only the modulars are limited, but the iVCS3 is a good modular too.
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Post by rec.Koner » Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:55 pm

I use Jasuto since 2009 and can't say i learned even 30% of it's possibilities, and as i'm not updating ios too frequently (i own ipod touch 2g and ipad 3), i'm not in a hurry.

Though thats me

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And yeah thats what i hate about smartphones/tablets - that everything changes every year.

While you can study your Buchla or Kyma for 3,5,10, 20 years...
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Post by GovernorSilver » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:47 am

trabouliste wrote:
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syrupcore wrote:I wonder what Chris Wolfe (Jasuto dev) is actually up to. I know he also built Filtatron and at least parts of the original Animoog. Hope we haven't lost him to better paying development jobs!
Me too!

I respect trabouliste's devotion to Jasuto but I'm reluctant to invest more time on what looks like an abandoned app.
I understand your doubts very well, but Jasuto seemed to be abandoned before and got finally an update. At that time I began to collect hardware and I own now a Buchla Easel and some more 200e modules, really good system - very bad service and documentation from BEMI and unfortunately not suitable for mobile music. I hope for a real substitute app before Jasuto will come to pieces, but if not I have to create soundsamples with my Buchla and to process them with other great apps like Borderlands, Samplr or iDensity. And there are so much more really good apps for mobile music with iPhone and iPad, only the modulars are limited, but the iVCS3 is a good modular too.
iVCS3 is great indeed. I have yet to try the 1.6 update though.

I just got Modal Pro and will have a play with that. Said to be more limited than Jasuto but might be better suited for learning. I have zMors Modular, AnalogKit and iVCS3 waiting for me after i've outgrown Modal Pro.

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Post by digidandy » Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:42 am

One of the biggest YES points of Jasuto is that it supports sample playback. I can't think of another modular-ish iOS app that does this (for some reason).

I love me some sample manipulation. I'm long since bored of plain oscillators.
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Post by rec.Koner » Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:53 am

Sure, especially when you go "granular" in it.
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Post by trabouliste » Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:08 pm

digidandy wrote:One of the biggest YES points of Jasuto is that it supports sample playback. I can't think of another modular-ish iOS app that does this (for some reason).

I love me some sample manipulation. I'm long since bored of plain oscillators.
There are so many things you can do with Jasuto, you cannot do with other iOS modulars, for example:
1. Tuning the sequencer to audio rates and using the sequencer as oscillator in three ways: pulse, pitch and modulation and if you like you can crossfade between. Pitch and modulation are only allowing "low-bit staircase waves", but all these waves are playable via tempo-node.
2. Retriggering the envelopes and using them with low rates as LFOs or with higher rates as oscillator.
3.Drawing a sample in the sample node.
4. Using the sample node as a control signal source.
5. Feedback oscillation is possible with so many nodes and pitch playable with the LPF via cutoff frequency (+high Q) and the delay (via time/ doppler effect)
6. There are the fold and shaper nodes (as well as analog and dirty) as wave multipliers for adding timbre and this is a big part of Buchla- or Serge-like additive synthesis and you can modulate the parameters of these wave multipliers with sub audio and audio rates.
7. Phase modulation
8. The distance between the nodes defines the influence and you can record the motion between the nodes.
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