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Post by Zentek » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:37 pm

matcsat wrote:Why into the LFO section the multiplication and division ratios the 5X, 7X, /5, /7 values are missing ? Not really a problem, just curiosity.

It seems a great module.

Marco.
Code-wise it is indeed not a problem to make the list longer. However, on a pot it becomes difficult to easily select a value if there are too many. So we had to make choices.
Initially, that setting was on the selector. Since it made good fun being able to change it with a CV, we put it on the pot to also get instant tweaking to any div/mult ratio.

Thanks for the compliment, by the way.
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Post by matcsat » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:22 pm

Zentek wrote: Code-wise it is indeed not a problem to make the list longer. However, on a pot it becomes difficult to easily select a value if there are too many.
It would be nice to have a "quantize like" section for the LFO's subdivision/multiplication, maybe with choices like the three into the doepfer A-160-2 (power of two, prime numbers, integer).

Just a thought for future upgrade.
Zentek wrote: Thanks for the compliment, by the way.
My system is almost entirely analog, i waited for one digital source that give me this flavour on the table.
The search is ended.
When i saw this module something clicked in the best way.
Ordered today.

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Post by Zentek » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:41 am

Pighood wrote:How to obtain in the USA? Website says available through Amazon only....no listing.
After some delay, our modules are available in the US and Europe :banana:
http://www.klavis.com/index.php/buy
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Post by Cortega » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:07 am

is it possible to cv switching through the Modes ? , like Metamode in Braids ?

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Post by Zentek » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:30 am

Cortega wrote:is it possible to cv switching through the Modes ? , like Metamode in Braids ?
Currently not. We didn't think about it and it has not been asked by our testers contrarily to some other advanced features.
But given that the Twin waves' firmware can be user-updated, this is a feature we could implement if there is enough interest.
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Post by Cortega » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:45 am

Zentek wrote:
Cortega wrote:is it possible to cv switching through the Modes ? , like Metamode in Braids ?
Currently not. We didn't think about it and it has not been asked by our testers contrarily to some other advanced features.
But given that the Twin waves' firmware can be user-updated, this is a feature we could implement if there is enough interest.

that would be awesome, highly interested, and at least a reason to buy it for me.

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Post by Pighood » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:41 am

Zentek wrote:
Pighood wrote:How to obtain in the USA? Website says available through Amazon only....no listing.
After some delay, our modules are available in the US and Europe :banana:
http://www.klavis.com/index.php/buy
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Post by Zentek » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:26 pm

matcsat wrote: My system is almost entirely analog, i waited for one digital source that give me this flavour on the table.
The search is ended.
When i saw this module something clicked in the best way.
Ordered today.
Marco.
Thank you very much.

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Post by matcsat » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:41 pm

Hi,

Twin Waves arrived today.

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Great feeling, no trouble with pots sharing function.
I have no previously experience with digital oscillators, so i cant compare, but i enjoied it very much.
Both sections, osc and LFO, delivers what promised.
And now i have some sound and timbre that were out of reach for me before in regard of tuning stability and general consistency.

I'm looking forward for its future grow.

Marco.

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Post by Pighood » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:36 pm

:fap: :fap: :fap:

Mine's on order from Amazon....due end next week.
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Post by starthief » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:29 pm

For those who have it, what do you think about using it as an LFO? Can you achieve some fun shapes with it?

(Looking for a flimsy excuse to add it to my list. :hihi:)
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Post by Pighood » Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:15 pm

When mine arrives, imma self-patch it liek a bawssss :fap: :fap: :fap:
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Post by matcsat » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:59 pm

starthief wrote:For those who have it, what do you think about using it as an LFO? Can you achieve some fun shapes with it?
Sure you can, the two LFOs are independent or not at your choice.
They share the sync/clock input but they are independent at various degree of subdivision/multiplication or they can run free.

There's not intermodulation under the wood, but you are free to patch the module into itself.
The only thing you need are some attenuator and/or VCA, since its inputs are unattenuated.

For me the key thing is the sync/clock capability, unpredictable shapes can be incapsulated into specific timing and its declination.
Best thing: you are also free to not to.

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Post by Pighood » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:31 pm

Seems like the ideal patient for the VCAM :fap:
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Post by Zentek » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:08 am

matcsat wrote:...
The only thing you need are some attenuator and/or VCA, since its inputs are unattenuated.
Marco.
yes that's right; however, in LFO mode, the Fine pot works as output level and the FM/AM jack becomes AM. They jointly control the output level of the LFO.
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Post by matcsat » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:00 am

Zentek wrote: yes that's right; however, in LFO mode, the Fine pot works as output level and the FM/AM jack becomes AM. They jointly control the output level of the LFO.
Ops ! I forgot to mention that part.

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Post by Zentek » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:11 am

starthief wrote:For those who have it, what do you think about using it as an LFO? Can you achieve some fun shapes with it?

(Looking for a flimsy excuse to add it to my list. :hihi:)
Since it's still early to have answers from users, here i go:
There are 7 algos in the LFO mode, but this gives you far more than 7 frozen shapes.
These can be simultaneously and independently CV + manually changed in frequency, amplitude, and shape (or some other relevant parameter).
Thus without any patching you can already have variations such as saw to triangle to inverted saw with every nuance in between.
But there are also less obvious tweaks such as phase distortion of a sine wave.
Once you start patching of these, the wave will act on itself to distort into something less usual. (e.g. double peaks along a ramp).
So, still cyclic but weirdly shaped.

Then you have the non-standard waves: Brownian S/H and vectors.
Vectors are not widely known. They are segments moving from random level to random level.
We have two variations: regularly timed but with a Brownian randomness limit setting (from stay in place to full random span allowed), the other controlling the time irregularity. From purely cyclic to widely variable. Again these setting are manual + CV.

Now remember that you have two LFOs in a single Twin waves, and that you can clock-sync one to the other at various mult and div ratios. (with ratio CV controlled)
Imagine how the shape of one can act on the rendering of the other thanks to the various CV inputs available.

Another approach is to use the sync instead of the clock to have one LFO acting on the other, eventually adding some CV modulation from the master to the slaved LFO.

I'm even not entering the domain of cross modulating each other :-)

This should make one busy for a while
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Post by Bishop Dust » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:11 am

LFO section is really cool ! And the very nice feature is they got both VC amplitude !

Brownian vectors is indeed a very nice random source :)

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Post by starthief » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:43 am

Hmm, I do see possibilities here. 8-)
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Post by Dogma » Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:09 am

Pighood wrote:Seems like the ideal patient for the VCAM :fap:
Your gonna go blind one day - big forearm? :)

Goons grab this - love everything about it :tu:

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Post by vibralux » Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:23 pm

As for LFO's - I am really enjoying the Vector algos here - unique and fun.
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Post by Mercutio » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:50 pm

starthief wrote:For those who have it, what do you think about using it as an LFO? Can you achieve some fun shapes with it?

(Looking for a flimsy excuse to add it to my list. :hihi:)
It can be a dual LFO with sync or not (you choose for both sides what you individually want even if there is only one sync input), Free/ mult/div (you choose individually for both), standard waves/vector/random (you choose individually for both), modulate waveshaping/ pulse width (depends of the algoruihm) for both (individually)...so i assume the answer is YES ! :bananaguitar:

and the FM (VCO mode) become AM in LFO mode...modulate with FM/AM in or jus use the fine pot to attenuate... :hail:

It's a monster (a dual monster)

- No menu diving (it's really well thinked) :hmm:

- Led screen to help you (very usefull) :tu:

- "AM in" in LFO mode / "FM in" in VCO mode :sb:

- Several waves, standard and odds (individual) :party:

- Quantizer (individual) :yay:

- tempo Multiplication OR tempo Division in LFO mode (individual) :yay:

- A square out (clock out or even sub) (only on the first section) :tu:

- Act as a

-Real Dual VCO
-Real Dual LFO
-Real VCO/LFO OR Real LFO/VCO

- restore your last setting when power down/up :yay:

- Really well builded

- price target is :hail:

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Post by lohacker » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:35 am

more demos please! :bananaguitar:

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Post by Mercutio » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:02 pm

Here a demo in the OFFSET mode

Main sources = Twin waves (oscillo 1+Oscillo 2 + SUB mixed and going thru a Korgasmatron (filter modulate with a LFO sync of a second twin aves (browian vectors)

FIrst oscillo : Unisson SAW (note = C)
Quantizer = minor

Second oscillo :AO (Note = F) , harmonics modulate via a second twin waves (LFO mode : Brownian vectors )
Quantizer = minor

+ FX = Black hole DSP + Z-DSP

https://soundcloud.com/supercrysalis/tw-x1-twin-waves-demo-offset-mode/s-tQzOK

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Post by lohacker » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:46 pm

sounds lush! Thanks for this very musical demo Mercutio :tu:
I'd like to hear something more dry if possible

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