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The Roots of Trance
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Babaluma









rezzn8r wrote:
I've always been interested in the combination of dance with light and sound to achieve altered states. The references to ego destruction, and reprogramming with the rising of the sun hint at the magick contained.

(i know, go smoke another...)
Rasta-nana cool


hey dude i'm with you all the way!

hihi
 

Babaluma









suitandtieguy wrote:
the first track in that mix really reminds of Banco De Gaia for some reason.

btw, this is a great thread. nice to see some discussion about trance back before the great Trance Apocalypse.


haven't heard anyone mention banco de gaia for years, i really loved that ambient tibetan mountain spoken word lama thing he did.

trance vacuum=trance apocalypse

i think it killed itself! wink
 

suitandtieguy









that's what i mean.

epic/anthem trance basically destroyed dance music.

all that's left now are some scattered psytrance parties, and psytrance has kind of turned into a genre where every track sounds almost exactly the same.

but then the hippies started doing E and listening to Ableton Live calisthenics.

it's fucking weird.
 

Babaluma









yeah, i loved the very early releases on Dragonfly and TIP Records, but after a couple of years things really started to fester (in my opinion). 95-96 were the halcyon years for me.

i also hate how digital and samey it all sounds now, but like you say, it's the ableton generation. those early releases sound very analogue.

god i sound like an old man!

another thing that never ceases to amaze me is just HOW FEW people in the current psy trance scene seem to be into modulars/on this forum. i mean if you want an acid/lead line with infinite modulation possibilities then the modular is where it's at!
 

neandrewthal









I wanna kill myself every time I hear snare____snare____snare____snare ____snare_snare_snare_snare_snare snaresnaresnaresnaresnaresnaresnare _CRASH
 

plord









Criminally poor drum programming killed a lot of trance for me, even the Goa/Psy stuff (cough Pleiadians cough). and once it devolved into "progressive" style beats with crazy 3d noises and no melody/development whatsoever, I tuned out. But I've still got a metric assload of the mid-90's stuff from TIP, Dragonfly, Transient, Matsuri, Phantasm, and Phonokol, plus a couple different iPod playlists sorted out. I can still put on Cosmosis Synergy or Nervasystem's The Mama Matrix Most Mysterious and not feel motivated to take them out until they're over. Good shit, that.

Oh, also: The Green Nuns of the Revolution's Rock Bitch Mafia should have its own special 303 abuse trophy in the Roland Hall of Fame. Just sayin'. SlayerBadger!

I *adored* Banco de Gaia all the way through Big Men Cry, particularly the live band he toured with for that release, but after that his material has been really shark-jumpy. I bought the last few hoping for a resurgence (hey, the "final" Orbital album wasn't bad, and the Orb are riding a huge hot streak since _the Dream_), but in the end I sold them all. There's nothing compelling there. I still listen to Maya, Last Train and BMC quite often, though. Especially the "Duck! Asteroid!" remix of Kincajou.

Why yes, I am reading back through a month of posts, why do you ask? Y'all talk a lot, you know that? w00t
 

Babaluma









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i really like the early dragonfly records sound, lots of analogue and interesting/fresh programming going on there, but the later TIP compilations, where it was all just weird beats and weird noises with no melodies really turned me off.

TIP Blue and Yellow are awesome.

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green nuns were great, caught them live once, not sure if they are still rocking?

Two albums and done as far as I know. Matthew Coldrick, 1/3rd of the Nuns, has gone on to have a BRILLIANT ambient career.

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i think the banco de gaia album "last train to lhasa" was the one with the monk story, no? i would really like to hear that again.

The story about moving the mountain one rock at a time? That's on Last Train, yes.
 

suitandtieguy









plord wrote:
I *adored* Banco de Gaia all the way through Big Men Cry, particularly the live band he toured with for that release, but after that his material has been really shark-jumpy. I bought the last few hoping for a resurgence (hey, the "final" Orbital album wasn't bad, and the Orb are riding a huge hot streak since _the Dream_), but in the end I sold them all. There's nothing compelling there. I still listen to Maya, Last Train and BMC quite often, though. Especially the "Duck! Asteroid!" remix of Kincajou.


do you have LIve at Glastonbury?
 

plord









suitandtieguy wrote:
plord wrote:
I *adored* Banco de Gaia etc. etc.

Do you have Live at Glastonbury?


Oh, yes. Both the Banco AND Orbital "Live at Glastonbury" releases smile
 

plord









GAH! Babaluma I totally hit edit instead of quote. I am a dork.
My utter apologies.

Me <- dork. Also, tired from boxes. Sleeping now.

Gah.
 

computer controlled









AFAIC, Trance started with Age of Love. But i'll always like the Acid Trance of the early 90s.

Here's a mix i did a long time ago of a lot of the better Acid Trance of the time.

http://tweakcollective.com/mp3/new/computercontrolled/Music/Frantik%20 -%20My%20Definition%20Of%20Trance.mp3
 

Babaluma









hey plord no worries, all the interesting content is still there wink

yeah tip blue and yellow were great, still love "angelic particles" by hallucinogen. i really loved the dragonfly "order odonata" series as well. the "project 2 trance" earliest release was still kinda proto goa.

thanks for the banco de gaia and green nuns info, i'll definitely check out matthew coldrick.

computer controlled, downloading now! thanks!

"the age of love" was a brilliant track, i have the oroginal 12", but that style seemed to evolve into the more cheesy handbag hands in the air alcohol trance a la platipus records. eye q were the same, some great tracks, but verging on the severe cheese in places!

p.s. i still don't know why more modern psy producers aren't on this forum/using modulars?
 

terrafractyl









Interesting thread + links!
thanks Babaluma

I'm well immersed in the psytrance scene, (although increasingly writing less and focusing on other stuff) and have been since the mid 90's

Personally for me it was the hypnotic sounds and beats that grabbed me, but when I heard Simon posford, Total Eclipse and Later Infected mushroom start to make electronic music that also grabbed me emotionally I was totally sold.

'Angelic particles' was probnably my favourtite track for a few years!

Nowaday's I'm almost ashamed more than proud to say I write psytrance, when someone asks, as yeah 99% of it today is complete bollocks but I still think the music I write and call psytrance is interesting to listen to, conjures emotions and can have a pretty decent effect on a dance floor, so i'ma going to stick at it.
actually the lack of decent psy trance is one of the only things that keeps me writing it... Theres still just somthing about it i love.

I had a feeling that no-one on this forum would be into it at all but its nice to see it still has a place in the hearts of many It's peanut butter jelly time!
 

Babaluma









wow, that's great to hear! can we listen to some of your music?

i think i mentioned it before, but i was really impressed with a son kite live set i heard a few months ago (the set was from 2001 i think). however, even when i listen to a lot of the old stuff, it doesn't grab me like it used to, i just think my tastes have changed.

but your stick to your guns dude, it's the only way you'll ever grow and improve as an artist. i'm kinda trying to do the same thing, but in more of an ambient/drone style.

i think it's sad that you feel ashamed to say you write psy trance, but i can also understand it. there seems to be a lot of unjustified hate for it out there.

i've always imagined modulars to be the ultimate tools for writing trance music. wink

any tips for insane lead/acid lines?

i'd be happy to have a go at mastering one of your tracks too, if you are up for it?
 

suitandtieguy









terrafractyl wrote:
I'm well immersed in the psytrance scene


cool. i feel the rest of what you were saying too, especially in light of this thread. it was nice to learn something about where it came from, and also obviously how it has completely changed into something it wasn't.

i played a psy party this weekend in a windfarm in Illinois USA this weekend, the thread about it is here:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18824

i don't play psytrance (for some reason i have this connection to the midwestern psytrance scene, and they are very nice to me even though obviously there's no money in it), but interestingly enough that Goa mix which was posted felt very close to me.

i've pulled up your myspace page and am listening now. thanks.
 

terrafractyl









Babaluma wrote:
wow, that's great to hear! can we listen to some of your music?

i think i mentioned it before, but i was really impressed with a son kite live set i heard a few months ago (the set was from 2001 i think). however, even when i listen to a lot of the old stuff, it doesn't grab me like it used to, i just think my tastes have changed.

but your stick to your guns dude, it's the only way you'll ever grow and improve as an artist. i'm kinda trying to do the same thing, but in more of an ambient/drone style.

i think it's sad that you feel ashamed to say you write psy trance, but i can also understand it. there seems to be a lot of unjustified hate for it out there.

i've always imagined modulars to be the ultimate tools for writing trance music. wink

any tips for insane lead/acid lines?

i'd be happy to have a go at mastering one of your tracks too, if you are up for it?


Thanks Mate cool

for tunes check my sig or if you prefer better quality try
http://soundcloud.com/terrafractyl
I only just got around to the soundcloud thing recently oops

and yep Modulars are awesome for trance sounds!!
personally, I'm still quite new to this marvelous world of analoge synths(been building my euro rig for the past year and a half) and in my experience I find it ridiculously easy to get amazing psychedelic squelches and fm sounds, but I still find it easier to program leads and melodies with the synths I know best like zebra and reaktor.... yeah i know horrible!
I think I'll get better at it with time though..... maybe a few more modules 2! hehe
and yeah I may well hit you up for some mastering at some point, another take on mastering is always interesting!
 

terrafractyl









suitandtieguy wrote:
terrafractyl wrote:
I'm well immersed in the psytrance scene


cool. i feel the rest of what you were saying too, especially in light of this thread. it was nice to learn something about where it came from, and also obviously how it has completely changed into something it wasn't.

i played a psy party this weekend in a windfarm in Illinois USA this weekend, the thread about it is here:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18824

i don't play psytrance (for some reason i have this connection to the midwestern psytrance scene, and they are very nice to me even though obviously there's no money in it), but interestingly enough that Goa mix which was posted felt very close to me.

i've pulled up your myspace page and am listening now. thanks.


Thank You!

I was playing with a STG wave folder at a friends place a few days, and decided then and there which module to put on the top of the 'to buy' list
great to hear some synth makers out there are into psy/goa SlayerBadger!

I'm listening to your Lessons of Darkness on Soundcloud now... wow... great sounds! thumbs up

:edit: ambient hoover hardbag ftw
 

Babaluma









coolio! i got an stg wavefolder quite recently and it is amazing!

listening to your track "The Mind's I" on soundcloud now. good stuff!
 

suitandtieguy









terrafractyl wrote:
:edit: ambient hoover hardbag ftw


dude, thanks for listening but i must stress, in case it wasn't obvious by that "genre" for my upload: i don't identify with _any_ genre of dance music, except _possibly_ ambient house, and i violate that routinely.

it's all "house music" to me. reference the sermon edit of "can you feel it."
 

terrafractyl









suitandtieguy wrote:
i don't identify with _any_ genre of dance music, except _possibly_ ambient house, and i violate that routinely.

it's all "house music" to me. reference the sermon edit of "can you feel it."


haha yeah I got that and totally agree with you, violating genres is one of my most loved hobbys.... loved the name tho hihi
 

digidennis









Nice post / info.

This is perfect place to air my old (1997) goa stuff without feeling ashamed oops

I found these youtube vids of the tracks..





lots of juno 106 ( god bless the noisy chorus ) and JD-990
 

plord









Babaluma wrote:
yeah tip blue and yellow were great, still love "angelic particles" by hallucinogen. i really loved the dragonfly "order odonata" series as well. the "project 2 trance" earliest release was still kinda proto goa.

The "Concept in Dance" comps that had a lot of Man With No Name tracks on them were also superb, for the early stuff. Angelic Particles...hell the whole Twisted album is exhibit A in what was good about that sound.

I have never stopped listening to Posford in any of his guises. My last show before leaving SF was the Shpongle DJ set/Hallucinogen live show, the room and sound were so-so but the show blew my sober mind. I even like the pop-vocal-smooth-psy sound of the Younger Brother stuff. Plus he has the stones to play it with a live band. and perhaps it goes without saying but the Ott remixed "In Dub" versions of the Hallucinogen material are all in high rotation.
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thanks for the banco de gaia and green nuns info, i'll definitely check out matthew coldrick.

I suggest the releases on Absolute Ambient. Music for a Busy Head is just Coldrick, and then Elemental Journey is Coldrick and Matt Hiller of ISHQ. There might be a third release by now but I don't have it yet?

Short Shameful Confession: I can totally handle a track of pure cheese or two if it's dropped at the tail end of a dawn set after a night of seriously hard trancing.

Terrafractyl: Welcome! I'm off to listen to yer soundcloud.
 

mateo









Babaluma wrote:
i'll occasionally spin some older tunes for nostalgia, but i hadn't heard anything new that really moved me in that genre for many many years, until late last year, when i heard the free download of a live show from "son kite" in tokyo, december 2003, which is available on their website here:


If you like son kite, you might be interested in their other project, minilogue; not at all what you'd call psy trance, but you can definitely see the influence. To me it's like they kept the best parts (the actual psychedlic and trance inducing parts) and threw away the rest.
 

Babaluma









digidennis wrote:
Nice post / info.

This is perfect place to air my old (1997) goa stuff without feeling ashamed oops

I found these youtube vids of the tracks..





lots of juno 106 ( god bless the noisy chorus ) and JD-990


nice, i think i remember you from back in the day, and maybe have a track or two of yours on some compilations! what type of music do you make now?
 

Babaluma









plord wrote:
I suggest the releases on Absolute Ambient. Music for a Busy Head is just Coldrick, and then Elemental Journey is Coldrick and Matt Hiller of ISHQ. There might be a third release by now but I don't have it yet?


cheers for the recommendation! had no idea about coldrick, or that he worked with ishq, ishq being one of my favourite new ambient discoveries of the last few years. "orchid" always on heavy rotation here!
 
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