Verbos CO vs. Furthrrrr Generator

Portabella · Post by **Portabella** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:42 am

Am I the only one who thinks the Furthrrrr sounds so much better?
Well I had an FG a while back.. sold it, missed a complex oscillator and thought I'd give the Verbos a try.
Now after 3 months with the Verbos I came to the conclusion that I like the FG much better.
It offers a wider sound palette, the wavefolder is richer, the CV inputs are better responsive and lastly it just offers more features like the FM + AM at the same time, which I really miss.
Speaking in terms of timbres the Verbos might me a bit more edgy, woody and that sort of..
Whereas the FG is warmer, more overtones but also softer..

What are you observations and expiriences on this?

The Junglechrist · Post by **The Junglechrist** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:37 am

I never owned a furtrrr but I have tried one for a few days that a friend left at my studio. It seems to me that it is way more precise and « modern » sounding than the Verbos. The CO sound warmer and more « vintage » to me. They are clearly different, it is a matter of taste as most of the time.

Skilling · Post by **Skilling** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:00 pm

They are different. If there ever was a modern East coast sounding complex oscillator Furthrrr is the one. I kind of like it in a way but clearly prefer Verbos or DPO. I really don’t think Furthrrr sounds better but that may be about taste.

mritenburg · Post by **mritenburg** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:44 pm

Skilling wrote:They are different. If there ever was a modern East coast sounding complex oscillator Furthrrr is the one. I kind of like it in a way but clearly prefer Verbos or DPO. I really don’t think Furthrrr sounds better but that may be about taste.

It is all a matter of taste. The Furthrrrr does not have vactrols in the modulation path so modulation is going to be more aggressive,

Illwiggle · Post by **Illwiggle** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:54 pm

I think the Furthrrrr sounds way bettrrrrr, but not having Linear & Exp FM on the faceplate is a fail.....setting a setting like that via jumper on the back is a significant design flaw IMO, has me looking elsewhere for a CO.

Portabella · Post by **Portabella** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:25 pm

mritenburg wrote: It is all a matter of taste. The Furthrrrr does not have vactrols in the modulation path so modulation is going to be more aggressive,

ahh -- that explains why I like the Furthrrrr modulation better.
I think it's inputs response faster and deeper. I prefer that

j259 · Post by **j259** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:03 pm

Well I have both and prefer the bipolar modulation oscillator on the Furthrrrr, as well as linear bus by default anyway, and the tuning for that matter. But really as a matter of convenience for melodic music.

I do not think it sounds "modern" per se; it is more stable and the waveshaper is more crystalline (I don't mean brittle) and definitely has a wide range, as noted above.

In fact the top end of the Furthrrrr is rather rolled off and gently saturated in comparison to the demos I've heard of the CS-L, and the mids are less forward than that and I think prob DPO and on FG there is an emphasis on a tight low end but not really rubbery like the DPO. I consider the CS-L to have the fastest and most hifi open yet meaty sound.

Whereas the Verbos is unipolar mod oscillator, exponential bus, and to my ears the most bandlimited and emphasized in the low mids. Which combined with sweet spot and raw waveshaper gives it the woody and dusty sounds. Also deep exponential FM and aggressive shaping still to me always sounds pleasant and not brittle.

Generally speaking the Furthrrrr is more flexible (I particularly like the built in noise/ext input and cross mod), but the Verbos has a nice hue to it, and is overall more obviously "vintage."

shredsickgnar · Post by **shredsickgnar** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:10 pm

I don't have much to add other than I had the Furthrrrr for a short period of time and I thought it was fantastic. It is a really well balanced sounding VCO with a ton of different modulation options.

It hasn't been mentioned yet but I'm sure most know that you can get the Thru Zero Core for it too and that opens up a whole new set of sounds.

I haven't had the pleasure if playing a DPO or Verbos CO yet, but given that chance to snag a Furthrrrr is something I wouldn't think twice about.

amnesia · Post by **amnesia** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:54 pm

Furthurrrrrr sounds closest to the Easels vco. I love it.

mritenburg · Post by **mritenburg** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:02 am

amnesia wrote:Furthurrrrrr sounds closest to the Easels vco. I love it.

As an owner of an Easel, Verbos Complex Osc, and former Furthrrrr owner, I can tell you that the Verbos is much closer in sound and function to the Easel complex osc. The Furthrrrr generator is actually closer to the Buchla 259 Complex Osc. As far as Eurorack complex oscillators that are based on the Buchla 259 go, the Furthrrrr is the most complete implementation.

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Verbos CO vs. Furthrrrr Generator

Verbos CO vs. Furthrrrr Generator