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Best way to enhance my electronic drums

Post by acidbob » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:05 pm

Hi guys, I have been looking for some pedals to enhance my Acidlab Drumatix, Miami and my Nord drum 2.
Any pedals that you would recommend that are good for drums.
Might be the Elektron Analog heat will suit my needs?
Also been looking at the new OTO machine, seems cool too.

Does it even make any sense to use an expensive pedal, can overdrive, saturation or distortion be just as good as a plugin if I am multi tracking everything already?

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Re: Best way to enhance my electronic drums

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:14 pm

you can try overdriving an analog mixer to effect.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YMnHiUnJ0Mc

The Boss BX series of mixers are usually super cheap and and provide classic techno distortion.
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Post by col » Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:34 pm

If you don't have the analogue mixer channels to spare, just plug into the mic-pre via the XLR and overdrive it on the gain knob. :mrgreen:

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Post by JayEm » Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:35 pm

MetalZone everything.
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Re: Best way to enhance my electronic drums

Post by acidbob » Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:20 am

I have a soundcraft EFX and tbh it doesnt sound that good.
I have mic pres on my RME UFX, but they dont do much.

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Post by naturligfunktion » Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:25 am

I had success running my drum machine through the filter of my Moog. It gave it a bit more character. I also tried with various pedals. Tubescreamer not so nice, but the MetalZone, ah yeeeeaaaah.

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Re: Best way to enhance my electronic drums

Post by col » Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:39 am

acidbob wrote:
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I have a soundcraft EFX and tbh it doesnt sound that good.
I have mic pres on my RME UFX, but they dont do much.
TC Electronic Dark Matter is a nice pedal for distorting drums, it has separate bass and treble controls so you don't lose the bottom end. There is a demo on youtube with a TR-8 if you can find it.

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Re: Best way to enhance my electronic drums

Post by The Goob » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:46 am

It's not a pedal but an MS20 is one of the more fun drum processors to me. DRM2 is another one I have liked - really any synth with an external input is worth trying. I agree with you that the RME preamps, while good for recording audio, aren't really the type you want to be overloading for character.

You can do lots in the box so you certainly don't need a piece of dedicated hardware for the studio. I like Ableton's Drum Bus sometimes, and the analog filter effect in Reaktor has clipping capabilities. Running something through a tape delay plugin with the mix fully wet w/ zero feedback can get good results - Valhalla delay is particularly good for this since it has a drive control and a bunch of different character modes you can quickly flip through. Sansamps are cool for a Tchad Blake kind of thing. If you want something that can be a little more hi-fi, an 1176 - HW or plugin - is a good option. API 2500 too - I think the Waves one has a free demo. If you're looking for a single plugin that's dedicated to saturation, Decapitator is good for adding some texture. It's easy to go subtle if you just mix a bit in. It is definitely available for demo.

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Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:09 pm

ive never been happy with the results i’ve gotten using distortion pedals with line level gear so I’ve really avoided using them.
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Post by Blairio » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:25 pm

The OP doesn't specifically say whether they need fx for live or recording, and if it is recording, is it to tape, or hard drive?

Another poster noted that you can do a lot of signal processing In The Box (ITB), and it is also cheaper that way too. Absolutely. Tape saturation plus harmonic distortion are easily achieved ITB. Also bit crushing, conventional compression and EQ.

So what is the scenario? Live or recording, tape or hard drive?

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Post by StillNotWorking » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:00 pm

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:09 pm
ive never been happy with the results i’ve gotten using distortion pedals with line level gear so I’ve really avoided using them.
What separate most of them are simply how tone shaping before or/and after the clipper are optimized or scooped for frequenze register typical where guitars has its most interesting output.

I find the best way to implement them are in parallel to the signal, not through the device as they rarely have a mix knob to blend original input with the saturated sound. Also try put EQ before or after the dirt box, — a parametric type are a great tool.

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Re: Best way to enhance my electronic drums

Post by chiasticon » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:41 pm

have the Elektron Analog Drive and love running the Drumatix through it. cheaper than the Heat, and more fun to use. but obviously a lot less full-featured.

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Post by acidbob » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:49 pm

Thank you everyone.

So what is the scenario? Live or recording, tape or hard drive?
Well, the situation is this, I mostly record my music while I make it, meaning not much editing is going on afterwards. But I would really like to be able to hear whatever FX i apply directly while making it.

My Revox caught fire some time ago, so basically I have a RME UFX+Octamic and a Soundcraft EFX mixer.

Seems pretty cool.
https://www.otomachines.com/product/boum/

Maybe the best way would be to use a hardware FX as send either though the mixer or the UFX or otherwise just keep it all itb
Would be nice to run the drumatix and miami though the same process, if I get one box just for one machine, this kind of limits me.

Thanks for all the advice so far. Much appreciated

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Re: Best way to enhance my electronic drums

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:42 pm

StillNotWorking wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:00 pm
Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:09 pm
ive never been happy with the results i’ve gotten using distortion pedals with line level gear so I’ve really avoided using them.
What separate most of them are simply how tone shaping before or/and after the clipper are optimized or scooped for frequenze register typical where guitars has its most interesting output.

I find the best way to implement them are in parallel to the signal, not through the device as they rarely have a mix knob to blend original input with the saturated sound. Also try put EQ before or after the dirt box, — a parametric type are a great tool.

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Re: Best way to enhance my electronic drums

Post by col » Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:00 pm

The Soundcraft EFX has a send/return bus which is the same thing as running in parallel with a wet/dry pot.

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Post by tito_tunes » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:37 pm

I run my 606 into my mackie mixer with a bit of clipping/saturation from the gain knob and the bass and mids turned way up. Sounds much much better that way.
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Post by heckadecimal69 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:41 pm

The Goob wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:46 am
It's not a pedal but an MS20 is one of the more fun drum processors to me.
Beat me to it. The ESP circuit on there is super fun, envelope following for HPF and LPF can get some wild stuff. It's gonna be dirty as hell though.

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Re: Best way to enhance my electronic drums

Post by JayEm » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:58 pm

naturligfunktion wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:25 am
but the MetalZone, ah yeeeeaaaah.
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See, not just me!
MetalZone is cheap, has some built in eq/tone control for sweeping.
Also, as others have pointed out, the MS20, or I imagine any synth with an audio in will help add some grit.
Effect sends on a mixer can help so you can layer both dry and effected live while you're recording.

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Re: Best way to enhance my electronic drums

Post by bedhed3000 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:29 pm

Try EHX Platform. A few different types of compression, subtle to insane overdrive, and it's stereo which might be important for you.




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Post by kwaidan » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:40 pm

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:09 pm
ive never been happy with the results i’ve gotten using distortion pedals with line level gear so I’ve really avoided using them.
I’ve found that a reamp box is typically needed when using modular or line level equipment with guitar distortion pedals.

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Post by tito_tunes » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:51 am

Was messing around with a DS-1 and TR-606 yesterday and I really like what it does. Makes the drums a lot more sustained sounding and the snare really smacks instead of being this little blip. Only thing is it loses a lot of the bass so I'm gonna mess around with parallel processing today to see if I can get the best of both worlds
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Post by Richard deHove » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:32 pm

Three pedals that are quite unusual: Particle V2 by Red Panda, and Ottobit and Hedra by Meris. The Chase Bliss range is also interesting (but expensive), such as Mood or Thermae. For total destruction I like the look of the Industrialectric Generator 7446.

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Post by rowsbywoof » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:10 pm

I kind of want to steer you toward a small 500 series case, like a Radial workhorse cube, and away from the typical pedals. That way you can try some cool 500 series compressors or EQs on your drums. Like a 500 series mPressor or something that does negative compression ratios so you can do some weird dynamics and drastic sound shaping. I think you’d get a lot more going that route than with boutique pedals and would be spending nearly the same money, especially on the used market. I’ve seen used mPressors for $400. Have things like Standard Audio Stretch, or the Level-Or, or Valley People Dynamite in 500 series is killer too. They’d be amazing on your machines.

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Re: Best way to enhance my electronic drums

Post by BugBrand » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:26 pm

I make a few things that might be of use - always played a lot with drums/rhythmics myself.
OTO are nice for sure - Eventides spring to mind too.
Parallel processing is good.

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Re: Best way to enhance my electronic drums

Post by Voltcontrol » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:47 pm

You'll ideally want a combination of distortion processor, envelope generator, filter, EQ and LFO. The Analog Heat is just that. It's really a stupendously good device.

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