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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by LDT » Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:38 am

LDT wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:23 am
Wick wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:27 pm
shuttle control has been updated to cargo4 firmware anyone has a test drive on this update?
Ooh, I just read the notes on the new firmware. Very interesting. Will test.
Except, I just read that installation procedure does not work from mac os Catalina. Bummer.
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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by klick » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:35 am

Being one of the developpers of the shuttle control, I can tell you the following :

1 - Half of the updates, are for standalone mode, for rythmic or random generation.

Expect to find most of the serge/buchla techniques for generating random gates, values, etc.

2 - another half, is for MPE generation, as I'm in love with touch controllers (sensel morph with thunder overlay, etc), and I was craving for a full mpe arpeggiator, able to do extremely expressive things, like changing enveloppes in real time (pulsers, buchla easel style), or dealing with wavefolders, etc for each of the notes.

About catalina, it's not that strict, let me details a little bit :

Even if our dev environment is based on windows, I'm using macs, and updates are tested with 10.11.6, which still allow a full control of what I can do on my machines.

On catalina, basicaly, there is many features, that prevent users to be in full control of their machines. This is quite problematic, as updates rely on external programmer softwares (ie, STMicro electronics flash tools), that still don't run on Catalina.

The best solution for catalina right now, is to use a VM, to flash from windows. This is what I'm doing on a daily basis, and it function perfectly.

I fully understand it's not the best for everyone, so I have the following in minds :

There a possibility to make things functionning with catalina, but I really don't want to updates my workstation right now, to not be stuck, as catalina really kills tools, that I need on a daily basis.

Anyway, I'm fully open, if one of you have time, to try things using teamviewer, or better : webex sessions, to try to upgrade your units, and create a technote for users that needs to upgrade on catalina.

This means the following :

- you are confortable to get one unknown man, quite young on MW :goo: , to take a remote control, with full privileges on your computer (you can get an email from endorphin.es domain to give some credibility to this )
- you have some time ahead.
- nothing being perfect, you accept that you may stay a few days without a fully functional shuttle control :bang: , if we need some extra code or backup solution. If it's your only unit, and you use it to work, :foul: you are not the proper candidate ;)

so, let's say it the harsh way, any guinea pig out there with time to kill, catalina, and curious to experiment ?

Please also keep in minds, that not being an english native speaker, your ears will likely bleed if we use a vocal chat, as I have a quite special pronunciation skills ;) (if you are a french speaker then all will be good )

Kind Regards.

Xavier.

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Umcorps » Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:26 pm

Useful post Xavier.

What's going on (if anything) with getting the Continuum Mini to work with SC?

I reported that its not recognised as a device by the SC ages ago. Went to a lot of trouble to grab the way it announces itself on USB (as a Mac user there aren't the tools for doing that as there are on a Windows platform) and sent the log in to tech support.

Then radio silence. For months.

I hoped this version would fix it, but it doesn't.

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by klick » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:45 am

Hi Umcorps,

Just double checked, I was in cc of the communication.

Anyway, as far as I can see, you never replied to last Andreas question about debug letters I added ;)
I'm sending you an email, we will continue via regular support channel.

Kind Regards.

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by red » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:41 am

A simple update via USB would be useful!
It would be independent from any operation system...


This should be possible in 2020 8-)
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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by klick » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:36 am

Hi Red,

no it's not ;)

There is only one thing about usb updates, dfu mode.

Mac os, does not offer any facility or api, with a good enough level to flash most of the micro controller out there.
Currently, each of the micro controllers family (avr, stm32, ...), ship with their own flash tools.

For the vast majority of them, due to apple choices, their are not compatible with Catalina.

So I'm with you, that updates are a pain, but they are much easier on windows, were all the tools are well supported.

With that said, to give you a bit of taste :

I'm a mac user, and for development purposes on STM32, there not really a way to do this from mac os x, at least not with a tons of contraints, so I need to use vmware for anything.

Even the vendors of those dev environment, don't have any volontee to get things done on a mac, were the vendor (apple), close every possible open door that would let them do this.

USB updates are much easier without catalina, that's a sure thing.

If any of you, have knowledge that prove me wrong, I would love to hear from you via PM, we are more than willing to have easier upgrades :)

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by red » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:46 am

thanks for reply...



Not knowing the technical strukture - I was only thinking that Shuttle Control is an USB device like others - for example Keystep is easily able to update via USB.
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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by monads » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:28 pm

Updated to v4 here. No issues. I always get confused to reload settings (thinking SC needs to be in special receive mode) but you just have to use SysEx Librarian, select Shuttle Control and send!!! Looking forward to playing around later this week. Thanks to endorphin.es for continued development!!!!

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Struggle » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:31 am

I was going to sell my SC, but after updating to 4.0 and playing with it a bit I’m not so sure. The standalone mode is a great addition!!

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Wubz » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:03 pm

Can anyone help me understand poly implementation on the SC? I'm not sure if what I'm trying to do is impossible or if I just can't figure it out.
I have the following set up for 3 voice poly.
I have one gate unipolar output going to an envelope then VCA.
I have each of the three 1v/oct pitch CV outs going to three seperate oscillators' 1v/oct input.
For some reason the gate output seems to get latched on sometimes, WHY? I've tried two different sequencers. Is this a fault or have i set it up wrong?
I have "keep voices" ticked so i can have the same oscillator play the same note in each chord which seems to work.

PLZ help, it's driving me nuts. Why is the gate out latching on randomly. Seems every 3-6 chords it will do it.
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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Struggle » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:10 pm

Wubz wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:03 pm
Can anyone help me understand poly implementation on the SC? I'm not sure if what I'm trying to do is impossible or if I just can't figure it out.
I have the following set up for 3 voice poly.
I have one gate unipolar output going to an envelope then VCA.
I have each of the three 1v/oct pitch CV outs going to three seperate oscillators' 1v/oct input.
For some reason the gate output seems to get latched on sometimes, WHY? I've tried two different sequencers. Is this a fault or have i set it up wrong?
I have "keep voices" ticked so i can have the same oscillator play the same note in each chord which seems to work.

PLZ help, it's driving me nuts. Why is the gate out latching on randomly. Seems every 3-6 chords it will do it.
Not sure if this is helpful or possible in your setup, but when I do something similar to this with SC I usually set up separate gates/envelopes/VCAs per voice.

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Wubz » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:30 pm

Hey Thanks for replying.
I used gate note instead of gate and this has fixed the issue. I RTFM and it says that right in there, if you're using one VCA/VCF you should use gate note.
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:10 pm
Wubz wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:03 pm
Can anyone help me understand poly implementation on the SC? I'm not sure if what I'm trying to do is impossible or if I just can't figure it out.
I have the following set up for 3 voice poly.
I have one gate unipolar output going to an envelope then VCA.
I have each of the three 1v/oct pitch CV outs going to three seperate oscillators' 1v/oct input.
For some reason the gate output seems to get latched on sometimes, WHY? I've tried two different sequencers. Is this a fault or have i set it up wrong?
I have "keep voices" ticked so i can have the same oscillator play the same note in each chord which seems to work.

PLZ help, it's driving me nuts. Why is the gate out latching on randomly. Seems every 3-6 chords it will do it.
Not sure if this is helpful or possible in your setup, but when I do something similar to this with SC I usually set up separate gates/envelopes/VCAs per voice.

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by LDT » Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:16 am

Is anybody her using Lemur on iPad to setup Shuttle Control?
I did, and it was friggin’ awesome. But after an iOS update it does not work anymore. The communication with Shuttle is broken. 😫
If you are in the same situation, please write Liine, and ask them to fix it. (I did.)
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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Struggle » Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:49 am

LDT wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:16 am
Is anybody her using Lemur on iPad to setup Shuttle Control?
I did, and it was friggin’ awesome. But after an iOS update it does not work anymore. The communication with Shuttle is broken. 😫
If you are in the same situation, please write Liine, and ask them to fix it. (I did.)
Bummer, I was wondering about that as my computer is packed away and I was planning on using iPad/Lemur with SC today. Wish I had the knowledge to build my own stuff.

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Umcorps » Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:52 am

Has the Lemur app been updated now to use the new features of Cargo 4?

Last time I looked it hadn't been updated for ages

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Struggle » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:51 am

Umcorps wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:52 am
Has the Lemur app been updated now to use the new features of Cargo 4?

Last time I looked it hadn't been updated for ages
It’s not been updated yet.

On the SC editor page it says you can use iOS with a midi web browser. Has anyone used this? I downloaded the app, but didn’t really understand how to use it.

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Umcorps » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:00 am

I use this https://apps.apple.com/us/app/web-midi- ... d953846217

Works fine. Just copy the URL for the Cargo editor into it. You need to use the Apple Camera Connection kit (https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/M ... r?fnode=37) so you can connect a USB cable to the iOS device.

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Post by Daisuk » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:35 pm

zynapse wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:18 am
Anyone using Shuttle Control with Live's CV tools? What do you assign the outputs to on the editor? Gate and pitch are clear but what about when using LFO, envelope follower etc.
Did you figure this out? Would be really cool to be able to use the SC as a multi channel envelope follower.

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Struggle » Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:36 pm

Umcorps wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:00 am
I use this https://apps.apple.com/us/app/web-midi- ... d953846217

Works fine. Just copy the URL for the Cargo editor into it. You need to use the Apple Camera Connection kit (https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/M ... r?fnode=37) so you can connect a USB cable to the iOS device.
Thanks! That was super easy.

Unfortunately now that I‘m able to configure the SC it’s been difficult to get it to work correctly. First I set up a simple 4 voice poly patch and and connected my Pro 2 via usb and seemed to play 2 of the notes/gates at a time. Then busted out the trusty Pyramid and couldn’t even get it to communicate with SC.

These are ways in which I’ve used SC many times before..can’t figure out if it’s user error or a issue with the new firmware. My brain hurts now.

Edit: Turned my system on this evening and everything worked perfectly. Love it when that happens!

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by LDT » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:48 am

Update: I stated that the Lemur thing does not work anymore, but that was just me not being smart. It does still work, but now it is outdated anyway, due to Cargo 4. Good thing that we have the Web-Midi browser for iPad, - that works just fine.

The documentation for how to use all the different cv features of SC is sketchy at best, but with a little patience (or a lot) one can setup really useful things.
Yesterday, I set up four of the outputs as four LFOs. Two triangle and two fluctuating (a really cool slewed random), and then I made use of my Beatstep Pro as midi controller: I assigned 8 of the rotary encoders as four pairs of LFO rate and Amplitude. The LFOs just have to be on separate midi channels, and then you assign them all to CC15. The controllers are then assigned to CC14 and CC15, and then you have hands on control for four LFOs.
A bit of work to set up, but you only have to do it once.
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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Wubz » Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:14 pm

ImageCan anyone out there help me understand how the hell polyphony works on the SC? It's doing my nut!! I mean, has anyone actually succeded in getting it to work? No matter what I have set up; keep voices on or off, gate notes, gates, different pitch outputs on different oscillators/pitch inputs, I get inconsistent chords. Sometimes they're the same, sometimes not. I've only been trying withn 3 note chords so far, what if i want to play different chords, 4 or 5 notes at a time? I've no idea how to set that up if I can't even get it to work with triads.
I've got a digitone hooked up to the shuttle control. I have a Launchpad pro mk3 controlling the Digitone. Whether I use the keys on the digitone or the pads on the Launchpad, the same incvonsistency is there. I have the below setting on my SC. I love this thing but it's rteally not easy to set up and the manual is pretty poor. Or maybe I'm just an idiot.
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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Switchzik » Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:24 am

I'm planing on having the shuttle and the es-9 with my ipad., One for midi and the other one for audio.
What would be the best way to make them work together ?
Can they be both set up as device ?
Anyone using this set up ?
Thanks !

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Nelson1978 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:27 pm

Hey guys, thinking to buy a Shuttle Control as i have a Octatrack and can sequence my modular with it. Now 2 questions

1- I read that Octatrack doesn t send midi over usb cable, so any cheap Thomann cable USB to MIDI will do it ? (To connect to the Shuttle Control)

2- Users that have Elektron Octatrack, is it a step foward to sequence modular to lets say , a Beatstep pro ?

Thinking to add a Shuttle control to my litlle system but have afraid that it takes much time to configure stuff.

What are your thoughts ?
Cheers stay safe

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by ratchet » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:08 am

1. You're going to need some way to convert the din midi to USB MIDI. You can do it through the computer (if you have an interface) or use the Endorphin.es Shuttle Mate. Which is designed for this task - https://www.endorphin.es/assets/endorph ... l_1.02.pdf

I can't answer regarding Thomman USB to MIDI stuff.

2. It will be different. That may or may not be good for you. How do you find the Octatrack MIDI sequencer?

The Shuttle Control is easy to configure with the web app and will store 16 preset configurations. Just set up your favourites in a matter of minutes, save and you're good to go

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by jox2000 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:41 am

Nelson1978 wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:27 pm
Hey guys, thinking to buy a Shuttle Control as i have a Octatrack and can sequence my modular with it. Now 2 questions

1- I read that Octatrack doesn t send midi over usb cable, so any cheap Thomann cable USB to MIDI will do it ? (To connect to the Shuttle Control)

2- Users that have Elektron Octatrack, is it a step foward to sequence modular to lets say , a Beatstep pro ?

Thinking to add a Shuttle control to my litlle system but have afraid that it takes much time to configure stuff.

What are your thoughts ?
Cheers stay safe
to 1) if the midi usb converter class compliant it should work (I used a noname converter in cable form without problems)

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