Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by klick » Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:16 am

droningspaghettimonster wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:14 am
lordymosh wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:37 am
droningspaghettimonster wrote:
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new firmware 1.7 is up, along with kermit mk3 update. now we can cv modulate fm amount. :hyper:
Sorry for the silly question. So essentially, instead of say running say OSC B into a VCA (modulated by cv) and then into the FM input of OSC A, you can now use one OSC to modulate the amount of FM of the other OSC without the use of an external VCA?
that's how I understand it, yes. :tu:
updated a couple of hours ago, and made plenty of patches using it.

Yes, it's acting like a vca over the FM input. (called FM index on many complex oscillators).
It's already great by itself, but what is even bigger, is that it also function for the normalization between oscillators !
It means that just with an external lfo, you can have B modulating A, with the modulation depth controlled by the lfo ;)

Small extra, the FM know is then acting like an offset !!!

this opens a full variety of tricks in small cases, and still a very nice addition in bigger ones, as I believe this setting is saved in the preset manager ;)

Amazing !

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by Leverkusen » Fri May 01, 2020 6:58 am

I just updated and CV over FM amount is a great feature - though it seems to me as that the PH now has a noticeable slew on the pitch v/oct, wich is a bit of a trade off.

Does anyone still have the 1.6 firmware on their hard drive?

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by klick » Fri May 01, 2020 7:54 am

attached here.

It's not the original zip which I did not kept, but it's the 1.6 original firmware and readme.

good tests ;)
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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by Leverkusen » Fri May 01, 2020 8:19 am

Thank you!

After downgrading to 1.6 the v/oct is stable again. So no 1.7 for me right now - what a pity... :sadbanana:

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by droningspaghettimonster » Fri May 01, 2020 8:27 am

ouch! thanks for letting us know. I guess I'll wait with 1.7. hopefully Scott will iron this out quickly, since its a fresh firmware.

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by jwise » Fri May 01, 2020 3:34 pm

Guys, Scott has been made aware of the slew issue that Leverkusen identified and will be working on it this weekend. There might be a similar issue on Hertz Donut that this helps him with. Thanks are sent to Leverkusen.

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by droningspaghettimonster » Fri May 01, 2020 3:46 pm

thanks for the report. getting slew-fixes for both vcos sooner than later would be amazing.

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by Flamusic » Sat May 02, 2020 6:38 am

My Piston Honda know is loading preset 2 on startup ?
Anyone else ?

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by klick » Sat May 02, 2020 7:16 am

Flamusic wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 6:38 am
My Piston Honda know is loading preset 2 on startup ?
Anyone else ?
yes, it's fully expected.

To change it : press the black encoder + the link button

you'll see the option "startup preset", change it from 2 to "no preset", will do the job ;)

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by Flamusic » Sat May 02, 2020 11:53 am

klick wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 7:16 am
Flamusic wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 6:38 am
My Piston Honda know is loading preset 2 on startup ?
Anyone else ?
yes, it's fully expected.

To change it : press the black encoder + the link button

you'll see the option "startup preset", change it from 2 to "no preset", will do the job ;)
No matter if i change it to preset 1 or no preset, its loading preset 2 on start up

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by Leverkusen » Sat May 02, 2020 12:34 pm

Flamusic wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 11:53 am
klick wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 7:16 am
Flamusic wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 6:38 am
My Piston Honda know is loading preset 2 on startup ?
Anyone else ?
yes, it's fully expected.

To change it : press the black encoder + the link button

you'll see the option "startup preset", change it from 2 to "no preset", will do the job ;)
No matter if i change it to preset 1 or no preset, its loading preset 2 on start up
Then you have set the preset CV input to CV+offset and the attenuator is set to a small offset. Just turn it full CCW and you start with the preset you have specified in the menu. :tu:

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by Flamusic » Sun May 03, 2020 4:39 am

Leverkusen wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 12:34 pm
Flamusic wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 11:53 am
klick wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 7:16 am
Flamusic wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 6:38 am
My Piston Honda know is loading preset 2 on startup ?
Anyone else ?
yes, it's fully expected.

To change it : press the black encoder + the link button

you'll see the option "startup preset", change it from 2 to "no preset", will do the job ;)
No matter if i change it to preset 1 or no preset, its loading preset 2 on start up
Then you have set the preset CV input to CV+offset and the attenuator is set to a small offset. Just turn it full CCW and you start with the preset you have specified in the menu. :tu:
Thats it :tu:

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by lordymosh » Wed May 06, 2020 6:44 pm

I'm not sure if there is an issue with my x, y and z wave bank attenuverters.

Say I'm on wave 1 for x, y and z banks. I add a square wave lfo from my batumi to the CV input for x bank and I turn the attenuverter clockwise. I would expect the wave to go between wave bank 1 and 2 but when I turn it up, it starts to go between bank 1 and bank 8. I wouldn't think I'd have to attenuate the lfo signal before going into the x bank CV input as it has a dedicated CV attenuverter?

Is there a problem with my module? Still on firmware 1.1.

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by uniquepersonno2 » Wed May 06, 2020 7:07 pm

lordymosh wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 6:44 pm
I'm not sure if there is an issue with my x, y and z wave bank attenuverters.

Say I'm on wave 1 for x, y and z banks. I add a square wave lfo from my batumi to the CV input for x bank and I turn the attenuverter clockwise. I would expect the wave to go between wave bank 1 and 2 but when I turn it up, it starts to go between bank 1 and bank 8. I wouldn't think I'd have to attenuate the lfo signal before going into the x bank CV input as it has a dedicated CV attenuverter?

Is there a problem with my module? Still on firmware 1.1.
What happens when the attenuverter is closer to the 12 o'clock position?

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by autopoiesis » Wed May 06, 2020 7:16 pm

also, your batumi LFO is bipolar. so when it goes below 0V the honda wraps around back to bank 8 (I believe this is documented behavior). if you want a bipolar LFO to shift the table between 1 & 4, you would want to offset the axis control slider to sit at 3 in addition to using the CV input attenuator.

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by lordymosh » Thu May 07, 2020 6:02 am

autopoiesis wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 7:16 pm
also, your batumi LFO is bipolar. so when it goes below 0V the honda wraps around back to bank 8 (I believe this is documented behavior). if you want a bipolar LFO to shift the table between 1 & 4, you would want to offset the axis control slider to sit at 3 in addition to using the CV input attenuator.
Ah yes that would be the case. I'll try this out later. Thanks for the tip. Looks like I may need another attenuverter module. Currently only have 3xmia.

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by joskery » Thu May 07, 2020 6:50 am

lordymosh wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 6:02 am
autopoiesis wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 7:16 pm
also, your batumi LFO is bipolar. so when it goes below 0V the honda wraps around back to bank 8 (I believe this is documented behavior). if you want a bipolar LFO to shift the table between 1 & 4, you would want to offset the axis control slider to sit at 3 in addition to using the CV input attenuator.
Ah yes that would be the case. I'll try this out later. Thanks for the tip. Looks like I may need another attenuverter module. Currently only have 3xmia.
You could just set, say, slider X to ~2.5, connect the Batumi LFO to X axis CV in, and set the attenuverter of axis X to a level where you get swinging between values 1 and 4. No additional module needed :guinness:

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by lordymosh » Fri May 08, 2020 10:45 am

joskery wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 6:50 am
lordymosh wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 6:02 am
autopoiesis wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 7:16 pm
also, your batumi LFO is bipolar. so when it goes below 0V the honda wraps around back to bank 8 (I believe this is documented behavior). if you want a bipolar LFO to shift the table between 1 & 4, you would want to offset the axis control slider to sit at 3 in addition to using the CV input attenuator.
Ah yes that would be the case. I'll try this out later. Thanks for the tip. Looks like I may need another attenuverter module. Currently only have 3xmia.
You could just set, say, slider X to ~2.5, connect the Batumi LFO to X axis CV in, and set the attenuverter of axis X to a level where you get swinging between values 1 and 4. No additional module needed :guinness:
Setting the slider in-between wave values worked a treat. Thanks!

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by studioutopia » Fri May 08, 2020 11:59 pm

I just uploaded 8 wavetables from the Buchla 259e Twisted Waveform Generator into my Piston Honda MkIII.
Here is a demo of what came out.
modulation from Pamelas NEW! Workout and some additional motion from the human CV generator.
Envelopes from Quadrax driving two channels of the LXd low pass gate for each OSC on the Piston.
I am also manually adding some of the internally routed FM to OSC A.

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by klick » Sat May 09, 2020 2:42 am

studioutopia wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 11:59 pm
I just uploaded 8 wavetables from the Buchla 259e Twisted Waveform Generator into my Piston Honda MkIII.
Here is a demo of what came out.
modulation from Pamelas NEW! Workout and some additional motion from the human CV generator.
Envelopes from Quadrax driving two channels of the LXd low pass gate for each OSC on the Piston.
I am also manually adding some of the internally routed FM to OSC A.
great work !!!!! thanks for sharing

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by joey » Sat May 09, 2020 2:14 pm

studioutopia wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 11:59 pm
I just uploaded 8 wavetables from the Buchla 259e Twisted Waveform Generator into my Piston Honda MkIII.
Here is a demo of what came out.
modulation from Pamelas NEW! Workout and some additional motion from the human CV generator.
Envelopes from Quadrax driving two channels of the LXd low pass gate for each OSC on the Piston.
I am also manually adding some of the internally routed FM to OSC A.
do you mind sharing those wavetables?

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by Mabuse » Sun May 10, 2020 1:51 pm

+1

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by messiah_ward » Sat May 16, 2020 5:40 am

Any news on a fix for the V/octave slew in 1.7?

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by droningspaghettimonster » Sat May 16, 2020 6:44 am

Hopefully its taking longer because HD slew will also be fixed. :hihi:

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by pmarchitect » Sat May 16, 2020 12:53 pm

Mine is arriving tomorrow.

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