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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by SlagRalden » Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:27 am

virtualpt wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:01 pm

Would need to debug the file. Sorry don't have the time to do that. You could install Python2.
HEY thanks so much for the help!!! just installed Python2 and it worked perfect!!! so Psyched for the new sounds! :hail: :yay:

Now hopefully OS or someone else can suss out some of the glitch problems.... one of the things I've noticed is that some file sets seem to glitch way more than others (LABS Lo Strings Long [MS] is really bad on my system).... WHY this is I have no idea but maybe this info will help someone figure it out

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by virtualpt » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:40 pm

SlagRalden wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:27 am
virtualpt wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:01 pm

Would need to debug the file. Sorry don't have the time to do that. You could install Python2.
HEY thanks so much for the help!!! just installed Python2 and it worked perfect!!! so Psyched for the new sounds! :hail: :yay:
Glad you got it working. Have fun 8-)

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by os » Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:17 am

Hi all. The forum stopped notifying me of new posts after page 15 or so, hence my absence from this thread recently. With any luck I'll be re-subscribed now.

Firmware 1.4 is shaping up nicely and will drop shortly after the next disting mk4 firmware.

Re. the SD cards - it seems some of the SD cards shipped with the module had format issues. Reformatting them yourself may help. Future shipments will have a different card:

and will be pre-loaded by a different company.

Specific bug reports are best posted on the Expert Sleepers sub-forum: viewforum.php?f=35

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by dbeats » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:54 am

I am a new owner, and I can confirm what others already said: Out of the box, I wasn't able to select the SD 6 Trigger single algo, module rebooted immediately. I even saw an SRAM failure result several times with the internal test routine. After switching from 1.3 to 1.3.1 and back and forth I eventually managed to load the algo, but with more than one sample voice triggered I had this really annoying digital noise every 5 seconds or so, sounded like a latency/buffer underrun issue but much worse. I reformatted the eFox SD card, and all problems are gone now. The SD card performance measures also improved a bit (2.85/3.00/2.97).

Different question: I measure a constant latency of about 12ms with the SD 6 Trigger algo, with 5v gates coming from Trigger Riot into the 6 inputs. Is that what I should expect, or should it be lower?
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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by os » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:00 am

It should be much lower. How are you measuring that exactly?

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by dbeats » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:13 am

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It should be much lower. How are you measuring that exactly?
I use a 2-ch oscilloscope and measure the trigger/gate input vs the audio out of the module. I made sure the sample file has no initial silence.
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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by dbeats » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:20 am

Here is a better image:
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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by os » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:24 am

Not seeing the images.

You can just drag images into the message composition window - no need for fancy links or off-site hosting.

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by dbeats » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:28 am

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by dbeats » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:29 am

Sorry, I should get this right, dunno why not.

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by dbeats » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:45 am

Finally got it right - sorry for the inconvenience and all the posts. Please see image above.

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by os » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:29 am

Just tried it, and got the expected <1ms:
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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by dbeats » Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:31 am

os wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:29 am
Just tried it, and got the expected <1ms:
As expected, hmm, thanks a lot. Could it be the sample file? I sent mine to you as PM, a 200kB closed hihat wav. May I get the sample file that you used for comparison?

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by os » Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:37 am

I was using the 12VoltPunch set from the stock SD card.

Your WAV is 32 bit, which the disting doesn't support.

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by dbeats » Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:53 am

os wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:37 am
I was using the 12VoltPunch set from the stock SD card.

Your WAV is 32 bit, which the disting doesn't support.
Hm, with the 12VoltPunch set I get a constant 6ms latency for all files:
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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by os » Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:59 am

Just to confirm, we're looking at the output straight from the module, and the input right before the module (presumably split with a passive mult or something)?

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by dbeats » Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:16 am

Yes:
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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by os » Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:48 am

It appears to depend on the env time setting. I was testing with an env time of 0, but I can see that the latency goes up when you increase the env time, which is not what I would expect. I'll investigate.

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by dbeats » Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:14 am

os wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:48 am
It appears to depend on the env time setting. I was testing with an env time of 0, but I can see that the latency goes up when you increase the env time, which is not what I would expect. I'll investigate.
Confirmed. Slowly lowering the env time from 100 to 0 brings down the latency step by step, with a minimum of <1ms at env time = 0. My other unsupported sample with 96kHz rate and 32bit gets as low as ~6.5ms with this btw.


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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by dbeats » Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:32 am

os wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:23 am
Please try the beta here: https://github.com/expertsleepersltd/issues/issues/107
Yes, confirmed. With this beta the default latency of the SD 6 Triggers algo is ~1.3ms and can be reduced down to ~0.8ms with env time ->0. That is with the .wav sample files included on the SD card (24bit, 44.1kHz).

Thanks for the ultra fast response and fix! :)

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by os » Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:59 pm

Thanks for confirming.

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by Nejben77 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:15 pm

Hi - trying to figure how to set the disting ex so that it remembers the algorithm that was used upon switching off when booting up - so I don't have reprogram it each time I turn on my rack. Scanned the menu and was able save an algorithm but not simply the last used. Takes quite a bit of time to go through when trying to recall 2 in dual mode. Thanks.

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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by casciato » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:31 pm

Nejben77 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:15 pm
Hi - trying to figure how to set the disting ex so that it remembers the algorithm that was used upon switching off when booting up - so I don't have reprogram it each time I turn on my rack. Scanned the menu and was able save an algorithm but not simply the last used. Takes quite a bit of time to go through when trying to recall 2 in dual mode. Thanks.
It's my understanding there's no option to store the entire state of the device on power down. You can make things a little easier by saving each side as a preset while you're in dual mode, so instead selecting dual mode, then two algorithms, then all the settings, you just choose dual mode, then the preset for each side and you're good to go.
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Re: Expert Sleepers disting EX

Post by virtualpt » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:57 pm

Nejben77 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:15 pm
Hi - trying to figure how to set the disting ex so that it remembers the algorithm that was used upon switching off when booting up - so I don't have reprogram it each time I turn on my rack. Scanned the menu and was able save an algorithm but not simply the last used. Takes quite a bit of time to go through when trying to recall 2 in dual mode. Thanks.
From the manual:

The Settings->General menu contains these settings:

Auto save (when) change alg(orithm)

If enabled, whenever you change algorithm (in single or dual mode), the preset will be saved to preset slot 1. If you also set the startup preset to 1, this means the module will power up with the most recently chosen algorithm(s).

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