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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:11 am

DAW inputs 15/16 are set to SPDIF L/R in your config, which will actually be the first two submix outputs of mixer 2 in your case (so mix 9/10).

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by virtualpt » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:52 am

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DAW inputs 15/16 are set to SPDIF L/R in your config, which will actually be the first two submix outputs of mixer 2 in your case (so mix 9/10).
Thanks Os. So does this mean that I can't get the whole stereo mix into one pair of inputs? e.g. I can set inputs 15/16 to MIX1/2 which, in my case, gives me inputs 1-8 or I can set it to SPDIF L/R giving me 9-14. In effect, I need two sets of stereo inputs for the whole mix, so I would need to sacrifice inputs 13/14 & assign these to MIX 1/2 with 15/16 set to SPDIF L/R? Is there a way around this that I am missing?

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:57 am

If you're using the ES-9 with a computer it would be more usual to do the mixing in the DAW, not in the ES-9.

Maybe you could send the mix outputs to a bus, and route the bus to the USB channels?

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

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If you're using the ES-9 with a computer it would be more usual to do the mixing in the DAW, not in the ES-9.

Maybe you could send the mix outputs to a bus, and route the bus to the USB channels?
Thanks Os. I do the final mixing in the DAW, but I like to play & get an improvised live mix/track structure, then reference this in the DAW when I put the final track together. I will investigate routing the mix to a bus.

Is there a hardware limitation that forces the 14/16 channels to be split across 2 virtual mixers? It would simplify a lot of things if all 14/16 channels could be assigned to 1 virtual mixer.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:43 am

Yes, it's constrained by the hardware.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by escargot » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:23 pm

OS, could I suggest having a double click on the sliders on the interface does off/0db and back to centre for pans? I really like that in my RME virtual mixer. thanks

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by behndy » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:43 am

neaaaaat! i was hoping there was a way to send the ins to the LR mains without a DAW open, and booooof. so much MORE.

excited to dive through settings tomorrow.
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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by MedicineMan » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:16 am

"This version is for ES-9 firmware v1.2.0 and above."

Where can I find v.1.2.0? The download page on the webpage offers v.1.1.1 as the newest..

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:07 am

1.2 is a beta version, posted earlier in this thread.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by behndy » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:42 pm

just checking - one would need the MIDI Breakout module to control the ES-9 levels with a MIDI controller directly?
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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:44 pm

Yes, or something that hosts USB devices e.g. something by iConnectivity.

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Post by behndy » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:45 pm

gotcha. i'm still getting my head around putting the computer midway through MIDI controlled devices, will look at that. thanks!
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Post by behndy » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:48 pm

ah. i see what you're saying. and if it was a MIDI over USB controller, one would need a USB MIDI host?

i was thinking about using a StudioLogic MixFace, which has a USB out and a Host input. lol. silly to ask because i can just go try it, but could i connect the ES-9 directly to that over a USB cable and have the ES-9 get data from the MixFace?
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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:16 pm

In theory yes. I've never tried though connecting the ES-9 to something that hosts MIDI but not audio.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by MedicineMan » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:36 pm

os wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:07 am
1.2 is a beta version, posted earlier in this thread.
I'm sorry for being this helpless, but I can't seem to locate it. Clicked through this thread four or five times, and searched this thread with "beta","firmware", "1.2" and "DFU" terms - to no avail. I only see new versions of the configuration tool as attachments.. Halp pls!

Also, a quick question: Is the Expert Sleepers ASIO Driver supposed to work out of the box? I can only use the ES-9 via ASIO4ALL which is very suboptimal, not least because of the crazy latency it brings with it.. Trying to select the Expert Sleepers driver results in a "Failed to open the audio device "Expert Sleepers ASIO Driver". I've tried reinstalling it, and the installation seems to go fine.. would really like to ditch ASIO4ALL now that I finally have no need of it thanks to the I/O of the ES-9.

Thanks in advance, and great job!! Keep on rocking! <3

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by escargot » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:09 pm

MedicineMan wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:36 pm
os wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:07 am
1.2 is a beta version, posted earlier in this thread.
I'm sorry for being this helpless, but I can't seem to locate it. Clicked through this thread four or five times, and searched this thread with "beta","firmware", "1.2" and "DFU" terms - to no avail. I only see new versions of the configuration tool as attachments.. Halp pls!
Beta is the new versions of config tool. That is what we are testing.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by behndy » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:30 pm

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In theory yes. I've never tried though connecting the ES-9 to something that hosts MIDI but not audio.
i'm stuck in Errand Land for a bit, but will report back on results?
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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by virtualpt » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:34 pm

behndy wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:42 pm
just checking - one would need the MIDI Breakout module to control the ES-9 levels with a MIDI controller directly?
I'm using one of these only 2hp & works perfectly https://www.xoxomodular.com/midixo.html

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Post by behndy » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:08 pm

huh. verrrrrrry cool. i'm still not sure if i needing direct MIDI in is the way i need to go, but that is a very cool option. thanks!
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Post by behndy » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:21 pm

also, the layout of the Tool Config confuses the butts out of me. i see Mixer and Mixer 2, and i see how to select the inputs for each (i have 1-8 on Mixer and 9 -14 on Mixer 2), but the outs go either Main L or Main R. how do i get them to send each mixer to Main L AND Main R?

durp. didna do the update for the ES9. trying to do that, it never gets past Searching Device in the DreamDFU Utiility.
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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by virtualpt » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:34 pm

Hi Os,

One thing that I have noticed, which I'm not sure if it is a bug or just my not understanding something, is that when I plug into my Mac via USB & have Logic up ready to record, I lose midi control via my Faderfox unless I have the Virtual Mixer open.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by behndy » Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:32 pm

oop. ignore me on the updating. didn't notice i needed to unistall the driver first. durp. RTFM.

this is what i have in the Config Tool, i'm kinda just bashing through options. i can get all 14 inputs to send audio in standalone to the MAIN L out, but can't figure out how to turn on MAIN R for stereo outs?
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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by virtualpt » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:29 am

behndy wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:32 pm
oop. ignore me on the updating. didn't notice i needed to unistall the driver first. durp. RTFM.

this is what i have in the Config Tool, i'm kinda just bashing through options. i can get all 14 inputs to send audio in standalone to the MAIN L out, but can't figure out how to turn on MAIN R for stereo outs?
Mixer section, where you have Main Out L & then bus 1 multiple times, change the bus 1 next to Main Out L to Main Out R, same for Mixer 2 section.

My previous post Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:03 am, has good example screenshots which should help if you get stuck.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:55 am

MedicineMan wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:36 pm
os wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:07 am
1.2 is a beta version, posted earlier in this thread.
I'm sorry for being this helpless, but I can't seem to locate it. Clicked through this thread four or five times, and searched this thread with "beta","firmware", "1.2" and "DFU" terms - to no avail. I only see new versions of the configuration tool as attachments.. Halp pls!
Last firmware posted was here: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=226245&start=50#p3343797
Also, a quick question: Is the Expert Sleepers ASIO Driver supposed to work out of the box?
Yes. You shouldn't need asio4all.

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Re: ES-9 standalone summing?

Post by os » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:11 am

Here's a new beta.

This is quite a big deal. I've ripped out all the library code I was using for the mixer, and replaced it with my own from-scratch code - which means I'm much more in control and can do unconventional stuff.

Like for instance - adding controls for DC offsets. There's a new set of faders at the bottom of the config tool that let you adjust the DC offset of your 3.5mm outputs, which is useful so that, for example, a zero coming out of VCV Rack actually gives you zero Volts in hardware.

So - big changes. Please test with caution!
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