Bananalogue VCS vs maths

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Bananalogue VCS vs maths

Post by infradead » Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:12 am

i'm sure this has been covered but w/ the search not really working well i'm unable to find anything.

they look like they have a lot of overlap with maths giving a bit more bang for the buck.

but i'm not really sure, what i have found about the VCS seems pretty interesting.
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Post by ndkent » Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:31 am

Well, bang for the buck you get 2 VC slope generating circuits with maths vs one on a VCS, a module that isn't produced very often unless you are after a used one.

To me, Maths saw the VCS, probably saw the high prices (they were the QMMGs of it's day) and did a module with 2 inside and added a few things.

I'm sure there might be some slight differences in range but having both I've never turned to the VCS because Maths couldn't do something. But I've never sold my VCS because I can always use a couple and who knows, maybe one day I'll find something it does that I can't do on a maths.

I think Bananalogue should even the score with Make Noise and put out at least 4 if not 8 LPGs on a module.

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Post by infradead » Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:44 am

ndkent wrote:Well, bang for the buck you get 2 VC slope generating circuits with maths vs one on a VCS, a module that isn't produced very often unless you are after a used one.

To me, Maths saw the VCS, probably saw the high prices (they were the QMMGs of it's day) and did a module with 2 inside and added a few things.

I'm sure there might be some slight differences in range but having both I've never turned to the VCS because Maths couldn't do something. But I've never sold my VCS because I can always use a couple and who knows, maybe one day I'll find something it does that I can't do on a maths.

I think Bananalogue should even the score with Make Noise and put out at least 4 if not 8 LPGs on a module.
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Post by Navs » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:22 am

I have both. Extra functions aside, the key differences are the VCS' AC-coupled output and 1V/O input.

The most musically useful difference for me is the ability to set different curves for rise and fall out of the box, without the need for extra patching. I usually want an log rise and exp fall, not both the same.

A subtle difference is the fact that the VCS offers more control over shorter times i.e. in the first 50% of the pot's throw. Longer times are easier to control on Maths.

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Post by theglyph » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:49 pm

I'd like to add here that with two MATHS and a A143-1 I've kept my VCS and love it's additional nuttiness in my modular patches.

Comparing the VCS and the MATHS is difficult but I'll say that some of the features of the VCS give incredibly interesting functionality which can't be easily achieved, if at all, with the MATHS.

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Post by pixelmechanic » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:20 pm

Yep, I've got both... Like the 'whip' that the maths has, but love the brutishness of the VCS too... VCS also feels less fragile and floppy knobbed (ooh-er missus) so it tends to be my go to guy for gigging.

+1 on Navs comments above too...

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Post by falafelbiels » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:31 pm

Well, with people dishing out extra cash for alternative front panels for Mathsesses, 2 VCS isn't even that far off.
So VCS has the more conservative looks going for it...
I like the looks of both, but especially the VCS with the yellow in!

I have 1 and a half DIY VCS and I love it. Used a Maths once and I couldn't, how you say? "gel with it" and so dismissed it from then on

So I'd say they do work differently, but I can't tell you how or in what way, because obviously I didn't get it :sadbanana:

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Post by D/A A/D » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:34 pm

THIS:
[video][/video]

You CAN do this with the Maths, but it sounds way WAY better with the VCS.

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Post by dogoftears » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:50 pm

the VCS is a bit more high-res than the Maths. like Navs said above, there is an extremely wide fine-tuning range for the Rise parameter. this is quite essential when crafting precise percussive and bass elements.

in a general sense the VCS is the single nicest event generator i have heard in modular. there are many modules that offer similar functionality but do not sound as "perfect" to my ears. Envelator comes close but lacks envelope following (a feature i like to use a fair amount).
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Post by p3t0r » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:15 pm

Also have both. Well I have the CCS VCS. Agree to most of the above. The only thing my VCS doesn't handle as well as my Maths is retriggering.
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Post by monstrinho » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:48 pm

Does anyone know if there will be another run of the VCS made? Big City still has them listed on their site, but as a "pre-order" which is not indicative of anything, since half of the items on their site say "pre-order."

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Post by dogoftears » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:57 pm

monstrinho wrote:Does anyone know if there will be another run of the VCS made? Big City still has them listed on their site, but as a "pre-order" which is not indicative of anything, since half of the items on their site say "pre-order."
they've been coming up on BST fairly often as of late.
it is also a popular DIY build.
sorry to dodge your question, i don't know the hard facts but i doubt there will be another build.
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Post by Why Adapter » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:59 pm

"Available soon" from Elby Designs: http://www.elby-designs.com/contents/en ... e_VCS.html

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Post by dogoftears » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:08 pm

Why Adapter wrote:"Available soon" from Elby Designs: http://www.elby-designs.com/contents/en ... e_VCS.html
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Post by nonbot » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:09 pm

Isn't there a new VCS going to be released by some other company?

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Post by Bananalogue » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:18 am

Why Adapter wrote:"Available soon" from Elby Designs: http://www.elby-designs.com/contents/en ... e_VCS.html
...thats news to me. looks an AWFUL lot like MY front panel design...

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Post by Bananalogue » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:24 am

anyway, save your money guys - all will be rendered moot when i launch:
http://sergesynthesizers.com/ later this year...

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Post by PhineasFreak » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:33 am

Bananalogue wrote:...thats news to me. looks an AWFUL lot like MY front panel design...
that's frikken identical!

fwiw i love my bananalogue vcs and have stuck with it over maths for a long time now...:)

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Post by D/A A/D » Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:27 am

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Post by exper » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:05 am

Bananalogue wrote:anyway, save your money guys - all will be rendered moot when i launch:
http://sergesynthesizers.com/ later this year...

Hmm. Are you making euro format serge modules? Sweet! ASR and SSG please!
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Post by arnoux » Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:07 pm

Oh no! So sad to see that the bananalogue VCS (btw my favorite looking module) is out of production! Why?

:waah: :despair:

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Post by Bananalogue » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:21 pm

exper wrote: Hmm. Are you making euro format serge modules?
yes.
exper wrote:ASR and SSG please!
okay!

im not giving any time table, but you will see "serge" brand euro rack modules and instrument pedals from me in the coming months. they are fully endorsed by serge tcherepnin himself, with royalties paid to him for his designs. good karma all around.

i will update the sergesynthesizers.com website when modules become available.

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Post by exper » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:27 pm

Zoinks! Sounds wonderful, now if only we could get Buchla to do the same!
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Post by monstrinho » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:31 pm

Bananalogue wrote:
exper wrote: Hmm. Are you making euro format serge modules?
yes.
exper wrote:ASR and SSG please!
okay!

im not giving any time table, but you will see "serge" brand euro rack modules and instrument pedals from me in the coming months. they are fully endorsed by serge tcherepnin himself, with royalties paid to him for his designs. good karma all around.
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Very, very cool. This kind of came out of nowhere, but it's really good news. Time to start saving!! :moneyburn:

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Post by hank » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:16 pm

Bananalogue wrote:im not giving any time table, but you will see "serge" brand euro rack modules and instrument pedals from me in the coming months. they are fully endorsed by serge tcherepnin himself, with royalties paid to him for his designs. good karma all around.

i will update the sergesynthesizers.com website when modules become available.
Interesting! I'd love to hear more about this. Is skiff friendliness a consideration at this stage?

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