Ideas and Opinions

Cwejman, Livewire, TipTop Audio, Doepfer etc... Get your euro on!

Moderators: Kent, Joe., analogdigital, infradead, lisa, parasitk, plord

User avatar
anselmi
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 3922
Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:08 pm

Post by anselmi » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:03 pm

Subtraqt wrote:Thanks again for all of your thoughtful feedback.

I will follow your advice and give up the dream of building a symmetrical system ... after giving it further thought, I must admit that the primary reason behind it is ultimately just my special brand of OCD :lol:

booooo!
the mesiah is dead!...I believed that we was at the dawn of a new era of symetry-driven systems!!! :deadbanana:

User avatar
DGTom
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 2615
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:42 am
Location: Pt.Adelaide, Sth.Aust.

Post by DGTom » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:41 pm

That 9U would be awesome if you had another 6U of utility & timbral modification in front of it.

My 9U Blacet Suitcase is symetrical as fook, but doesn't sacrifice function, it uses the same kind circular logic as Subtraqts layout as well & I can vouch for the awesomeness of that approach.

Don't totally ditch the symetry but don't be a slave to it either :tu:

User avatar
wetterberg
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 7673
Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:31 pm
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark.

Post by wetterberg » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:51 pm

DGTom wrote:My 9U Blacet Suitcase is symetrical as fook, but doesn't sacrifice function, it uses the same kind circular logic as Subtraqts layout as well
here I go thinking circular logic is a bad thing!?
oh, unless we're talking about one of these:
viewtopic.php?t=10132












hehe.

User avatar
tIB
Stainer!
Posts: 9019
Joined: Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:28 am
Location: UK

Post by tIB » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:56 pm

DGTom wrote:That 9U would be awesome if you had another 6U of utility & timbral modification in front of it.
Pretty much what I was thinking... change the 9U to one symmetrical 6U and another more 'chaotic' 6U...

User avatar
DGTom
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 2615
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:42 am
Location: Pt.Adelaide, Sth.Aust.

Post by DGTom » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:13 pm

wetterberg wrote:here I go thinking circular logic is a bad thing!?
circular logic A.K.A Parlimentary Question Time... zing!!! :deadbanana:

Dad jokes aside... all music is kind of circular logic isn't it? So makes sense to me to build an instrument that way;

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/252415/Blacet_Suitcase_FULL.jpg

the way I patch is kinda like making a cake, take the stuff from the edges & fold it into the middle & twist :mrgreen:

User avatar
anselmi
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 3922
Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:08 pm

Post by anselmi » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:59 am

DGTom wrote:
wetterberg wrote: the way I patch is kinda like making a cake, take the stuff from the edges & fold it into the middle & twist :mrgreen:
interesting...my layouts ussually go more in a mini way at the audio level (left to right) and modulators under the audio ones...but being a modular is hard to pre-define things

Babaluma

Post by Babaluma » Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:05 am

symmetry was one of the main design elements when i was building my modular. it may be ocd, but it really helps me find my way around the beastie and makes her a joy to ride. ;)

Sound
Common Wiggler
Posts: 248
Joined: Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:50 pm

Re: Ideas and Opinions

Post by Sound » Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:14 am

Subtraqt wrote: I'm very interested in the often discussed idea of creating an Instrument, rather than just a collection of modules. That's the reason for the symmetry...

What do you think?
I think that is a good concept.

You don't loose anything trying it.
To sell modules than you don't use and buy other ones according your interests in that moment, is a think that you always can do and in my opinion is a thing that you (and all) will do whatever way you choose.

So I would say: Go ahead with your concept instrument symmetry.

Regards.

User avatar
REwire
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 1959
Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:30 pm
Location: Los Angeles

Post by REwire » Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:29 am

The one thing I see missing in any combo of modulators and sound sources you choose is audio mixers. You could run into the QMMG's and use the mix outs but you can use those for more than that. I think a few utility mixers to combine audio signals and also maybe a good output mixer like the Cwejman MX-4S to create a pannable mixing system (like Buchla 227) is needed to make a self contained Music Easel type system.

Dan

Babaluma

Post by Babaluma » Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:50 am

agreed. you need more multiples, mixers and passive attenuators if you really want to bring out the full power of the system. either add another rack, or pair down from what you have to allow more room for essential bread and butter items.

User avatar
wetterberg
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 7673
Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:31 pm
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark.

Post by wetterberg » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:32 am

REwire wrote:The one thing I see missing in any combo of modulators and sound sources you choose is audio mixers. You could run into the QMMG's and use the mix outs but you can use those for more than that. I think a few utility mixers to combine audio signals and also maybe a good output mixer like the Cwejman MX-4S to create a pannable mixing system (like Buchla 227) is needed to make a self contained Music Easel type system.

Dan
+1.

User avatar
NV
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 2496
Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:40 pm

Re: Ideas and Opinions

Post by NV » Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:24 pm

Sound wrote: You don't loose anything trying it.
Well, aside from hundreds in burned turnover cash from buying new modules and selling them when you realize you don't use them.

Buying a system should take careful and deliberate planning. I think it's important that we encourage people to consider and reconsider their systems before taking the plunge - doing it that way takes longer but you end up with a system that truly fits right off the bat rather than something you end up selling/swapping/replacing for months at considerable expense before you finally get to where you could have initially started if you had taken more time.

Measure twice cut once and all that. Ours are expensive endeavors and certainly worth critical thought.

User avatar
wetterberg
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 7673
Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:31 pm
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark.

Re: Ideas and Opinions

Post by wetterberg » Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:42 pm

NV wrote:
Sound wrote: You don't loose anything trying it.
Well, aside from hundreds in burned turnover cash from buying new modules and selling them when you realize you don't use them.

Buying a system should take careful and deliberate planning. I think it's important that we encourage people to consider and reconsider their systems before taking the plunge - doing it that way takes longer but you end up with a system that truly fits right off the bat rather than something you end up selling/swapping/replacing for months at considerable expense before you finally get to where you could have initially started if you had taken more time.

Measure twice cut once and all that. Ours are expensive endeavors and certainly worth critical thought.
I agree completely. In fact, we should do more to encourage incremental creation of these rigs - I truly believe that getting 3U of kit at a time or less is the way to go - you get into the groove with the modules at your disposal.

Sound
Common Wiggler
Posts: 248
Joined: Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:50 pm

Post by Sound » Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:16 pm

NV wrote: Measure twice cut once and all that.
This is true.

Just like the idea of his concept. Maybe he should measure twice, change something but go ahead with his concept.

Regards.

User avatar
newgreyarea
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 1496
Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:44 pm
Location: Downtown Los Angeles

Post by newgreyarea » Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:57 pm

I have a 9u that is about half full and I'm loving it. I'm quite surprised that I'm not going gear crazy trying to fill it up!
I'm probably learning more by not buying too much and it affords me the opportunity to figure out what I'm truly missing by maxing out the capabilities of what I have thus far.

I know you love the way your synth looks, Ivo, but I think you're going overboard with the symmetry thing. Get one of each and see what it's lacking from that point.

Or buy 2 of each and sell me them at a considerable savings once you've come to your senses!

AND QUIT PLAYING WITH THE MODULAR PLANNER!!!!
It's only making it worse. I'm so glad that thing wont work on my internet computer.
-brad

User avatar
Ivo Ivanov
Sausage Wiggler
Posts: 1025
Joined: Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:35 am
Contact:

Post by Ivo Ivanov » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:03 am

newgreyarea wrote:I have a 9u that is about half full and I'm loving it. I'm quite surprised that I'm not going gear crazy trying to fill it up!
I'm probably learning more by not buying too much and it affords me the opportunity to figure out what I'm truly missing by maxing out the capabilities of what I have thus far.

I know you love the way your synth looks, Ivo, but I think you're going overboard with the symmetry thing. Get one of each and see what it's lacking from that point.

Or buy 2 of each and sell me them at a considerable savings once you've come to your senses!

AND QUIT PLAYING WITH THE MODULAR PLANNER!!!!
It's only making it worse. I'm so glad that thing wont work on my internet computer.
-brad
The Planner, as you all know, if both a blessing and a curse. I spend WAAAAY to much time obsessing - at the same time, it has been an invaluable tool.

I've talked myself out of the symmetry in favor of a more versatile system.

Once my OCD settles down, I know I will be glad I did.

Thanks again to all for your help.

User avatar
tIB
Stainer!
Posts: 9019
Joined: Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:28 am
Location: UK

Post by tIB » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:07 pm

^ and thanks for yours... though im settled on the modules in it you got me thinking much more about the layout of mine; may have come up with something a little more organised and ocd friendly. :tu:

Post Reply

Return to “Eurorack Modules”