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Post by Ivo Ivanov » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:34 pm

I've been around the forum for a while - registered nearly a year ago...

I used to have a Doepfer Monster base nearly filled with modules until things went down hill... but that's another story entirely;


I recently jumped back on track and purchased a Monorocket Mission 9 (which rocks - more on that later in another thread) and several modules.

I own about a third of these modules - some are not yet in production, and in that sense this is purely hypothetical.


My plan is to basically build a system that is focused on experimental sounds.

Think Euro Music Easel....

I am not interested in making traditional keyboard sounds.


I know that there are many things missing that I plan to implement in the next 9U case.

I'm very interested in the often discussed idea of creating an Instrument, rather than just a collection of modules. That's the reason for the symmetry...

What do you think?

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Post by jonkull » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:42 pm

I'd lose the Format Jumbler and add a Doepfer A156 Quantizer. It goes very well with the Noisering and Wogglebug.
If only someone would invent a synth that would allow the end user to determine the functionality. You could pick which functions were important to you in 'modules'. A 'modular', if you will. - Stretta

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Post by Ivo Ivanov » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:44 pm

I already have the Jumbler - but it's a customized version that is all 1/8" and 1/4" jacks. It's like a mega mult...


Good call on the quantizer though - am planning on one (hopefully the upcoming Tip Top one) for the next case...
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Post by dkcg » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:46 pm

The Hertz Donut may sound more Buchla than any of the oscillators in there now. Everything else looks great.

Did you see this thread?
viewtopic.php?t=9978

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Post by parasitk » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:47 pm

I would want a waveshaper/folder/multiplier. Maybe in place of one of the Wogglebugs or Noise Rings.

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Post by jonkull » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:49 pm

Well then I think you're set. Looks like an interesting setup.
If only someone would invent a synth that would allow the end user to determine the functionality. You could pick which functions were important to you in 'modules'. A 'modular', if you will. - Stretta

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Post by Ivo Ivanov » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:49 pm

dkcg wrote:The Hertz Donut may sound more Buchla than any of the oscillators in there now. Everything else looks great.

Did you see this thread?
viewtopic.php?t=9978
:goo: Yep did see that!

And I agree about the Hertz- it's in one of my alternate plans 8_)

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Post by DGTom » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:09 am

As great as the symettery is.. I think its two (Edit: typo... I'm leaving it) heavy on modulation sources & too light on timbral modification, I'd drop one each of the WoggleBugs / Noise Rings to make room.

With Woggle X Maths + Noisering X Maths + 2 X MARF to the power of matrix seq. thats still a tonne of squiggly voltages, give them something to do :D

Topp folder would go really well with a HD I bet (someone tell me I'm wrong so I can stop lusting :omg: )

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Post by blungo2 » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:22 am

Maybe i'm not getting your intent, but i don't see the need for the borg when you have two qmmgs.

edit. +1 on reccomending the HD, it's an absolute monster.

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Post by loudone » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:25 am

i have a borg and qmmg
the borg into the qmmg is fun to say the least, like prom night again if i remember.... :hmm:
edited for the fact i didn't comment on the setup.....
i like the idea and look, but with multis and mixer i would get a few differnt things, maybe lose one each woggle, noisering, and antiO, and get some other stuff liek a wavefolder, ulfo, pll, quanitiser,
just shooting from the hip here.
:bananaguitar: But, i must say it does look real fun as is.

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Post by Ivo Ivanov » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:02 am

Thank you all for your feedback!

You got me thinking that I will have to say goodbye to the whole symmetry idea in favor of a more diverse system.

I actually originally planned on many of the other modules you have suggested, and ended up narrowing it down in order to come up with this layout.

In the end, I guess I have to just come to terms with the fact that I will only benefit from having a wider range of modules.

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Post by itijik » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:14 am

How about a full row of Maths? :razz:

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Post by Cat-A-Tonic » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:19 am

You might want to consider a bipolar mixer for control voltages.
The QMMG might do the job, but you could find something else that probably does it better, and in less space.

Borg + Boogie + 2xQMMG = 10 LPGs!
Considering the number of *primary* sound sources this seems like over-kill in a 9U case.

I agree about a stand-alone wave folder being a good consideration.
...even though the Anti-Oscillators have them built in.

VC delay would be a nice addition.

The symmetry does *look* nice, but I think you would be better off balancing the functions to work better as a self-contained 'instrument.'

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Post by parasitk » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:32 am

Cat-A-Tonic wrote: I agree about a stand-alone wave folder being a good consideration.
...even though the Anti-Oscillators have them built in.
It's different though. I'd want an STG Folder too at least.

Also, agreed on the bipolar mixer!

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Post by NV » Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:15 am

I would definitely drop the symmetry idea. As Cat-A-Tonic said, it certainly looks nice, but approaching a system with a rigid symmetrical framework severely limits your capabilities. The Wogglebug and Noisering are certainly great, but I can't imagine recommending two of each in a 9U system. You may very well find that you get all the random you need out of just one Wogglebug or one Noisering while the other three gather dust. If you're really into the random approach of those two, I'd say get one of each and call it a day in that department. People will always swoon over the radical idea of having ten Wogglebugs in one system or four QMMGs, but the amount of things you could do with a variety of other modules in that space or for that money is far more swoon worthy in my opinion.

Also along the symmetry line, I think it's a good idea to get different types of oscillators in a smaller system like 9U. The Anti-Osc is certainly a unique and capable sound source, but I think you would find more variety out of combining an Anti-Osc with something like an AFG or Hertz Donut rather than two AOs. The AO is an admittedly limited oscillator and you may find those limitations frustrating rather than charming when you don't have any other options to choose from.

Bipolar mixers are fantastic. Get a Doepfer A-138c for cheap and enjoy the huge amount of potential it adds to your CV signals. I'd say at least one bipolar mixer would be a huge benefit to any system, and arguably an absolute must in a system that is designed for more experimental uses.

QMMGs are incredible, but you may want to consider sticking to just one and filling the space of the second with different modules - perhaps some VCAs with a different flavor like the upcoming V'Amp or the tried and true Doepfer A-132-3 for a more standard approach, then use the remaining space for another couple modules. Maybe an interesting CV manipulation module like the Doepfer A-166 Dual Logic coupled with a more extreme effect like the FoH Plague Bearer so you can tap into some madness when you want to.

As far as some extra additions, quantizers can add a huge deal to a system with random sources - an easy way to meld chaos into structure if you so choose. Also you may want to consider Flight of Harmony's upcoming Sound of Shadows delay - just one delay can add a whole new dimension to a system, particularly one with the modulation capabilities of the SoS.

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Post by incekt » Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:35 am

don't listen to them, it's perfect...,.

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Post by richard » Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:26 am

it looks mindblowing, but I too would change it and lose the beauty factor, I would lose a woggle, an anti osc, a noisering and try to get a an HD and STG waveshaper, and probably a morphing terranium in there too. I love the borg but you don't really need it there!

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Post by Illiac » Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:42 am

I love it. It looks like a wedding cake made of evil...

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Post by nomass » Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:40 am

Wow, it's a gorgeous looking system.

Keeping both Wogglebugs would allow you to make the child tones of the original 300 bug.

I might also recommend a different second oscillator, although I love the AO. You might want something like the afg or ZO.

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Post by Reptil » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:20 am

Very nice, very interesting.
here are FWIW my thoughts:
-the reason for symmetry is that you are going to operate both sides simultanuously? using your left and right hand? or do you want a stereo setup? Just for the symmetry in your mind when working on it? Does a symmetrical approach mean a balance in your thoughts when composing, or playing?
no, if I understand correctly, your goal is different, and result oriënted, go for a "flow" with clusters of modules, so you won't be "tied" mentally to a "chain" of modules. Give a random module an accessable place (in the middle)
"controlled chaos" I have a simular idea (flexible platform for experimental instruments), and will post a screenshot later (that is, if you don't mind)

-Definitively include a different oscillator, keep the two Anti-Osc. (it works better as a pair so it seems) Lose one QMMG. Add a clean VCA. Add a few utility modules (add a different sequencer perhaps), some way of playing it, and it's perfect.
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Post by anselmi » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:18 am

buy what you want man, it´s your money!

build that system with the symmetry concept and then another more widely functional one

limitations on that system will direct you to another territories than a system with more "sense" in the stupid sense of the word...so maybe you reach other sonic territories that many other musicians with more functinal systems can´t...exagerated LPG action for example

and if you like the look this will inspire you to play the synth more than if you don´t like your instrument, so keep it that way...it looks fantastic

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Post by tIB » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:33 am

My OCD wants you to turn the wogglebug on the right upside down...

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Post by anselmi » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:52 am

tIB wrote:My OCD wants you to turn the wogglebug on the right upside down...
genius! :sb:

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Post by blungo2 » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:59 am

loudone wrote:i have a borg and qmmg
the borg into the qmmg is fun to say the least, like prom night again if i remember.... :hmm:
edited for the fact i didn't comment on the setup.....
i like the idea and look, but with multis and mixer i would get a few differnt things, maybe lose one each woggle, noisering, and antiO, and get some other stuff liek a wavefolder, ulfo, pll, quanitiser,
just shooting from the hip here.
:bananaguitar: But, i must say it does look real fun as is.
I guess it's just my perspective. I'm not much of a filter guy, i only used the borg as an lpg. When i got the qmmg i had plenty of lpg so i sold the borg.
I can see how it would be very cool to use the combo though.

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Post by Ivo Ivanov » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:11 pm

Thanks again for all of your thoughtful feedback.

I will follow your advice and give up the dream of building a symmetrical system ... after giving it further thought, I must admit that the primary reason behind it is ultimately just my special brand of OCD :lol:

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