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Dear god help me.. I have been bitten by the 500 Series bug!
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Author Dear god help me.. I have been bitten by the 500 Series bug!
Arturo00
bastille wrote:
Arturo00 wrote:
I got bit about 2.5 years ago. Got a stacked lunchbox with API including 2 original API 525 compressors from the 70s, and then bought a second lunchbox with an A-Design P-1 and an EM-Silver about a year later.

Fell out of pres shortly after the second purchase when I was bit by the synth bug. I haven't looked back since...



Sage amps, nice! I've got one of their mics, love the thing. What's the big blue thing near the bottom of the rack?


Woah, saw this a bit late.

Yeah, Sage is made locally. Haven't really spent much time with them cos they were always somehow not working.

The blue thing at the bottom is a "Pandora LM-402". A very obscure limiter that's sorta setup like and 1176.
bastille
01010110 wrote:

I've used a Mono GAMA for some time now and really like it a lot! But, a couple of months ago I bought an API 3124+ and noticed that the GAMA in Nickel-mode sounded VERY much like the API. Almost identical. Nickel is the setting I preferred in about 4 cases out of 5, so now I'm thinking about replacing the GAMA with something else. Leaning towards an Avedis MA5 or that big Great River preamp for some nice Neveish-flavour in 500-format.. but the gearslut in me want one of each.. including the GAMA. .. but some kind of trade could be interesting..


Yea, I'm usually in Nickel with mine as well. That Steel setting is nice to have, though, when something needs extra weight and dirt. I've got an MA5, had a Great River 2ch unit for a while. I prefer the GAMA to both, but all three are very good.
bastille
Arturo00 wrote:

The blue thing at the bottom is a "Pandora LM-402". A very obscure limiter that's sorta setup like and 1176.


Neat. Never seen one before. Shame about the Sage amps. They've sounded fantastic every time I've heard them.

I've never used a 525, but have always been curious. Recently tried the 527 and loved it; was farther away from my 2500 than I expected. What do you like the 525s for?
Arturo00
bastille wrote:
Arturo00 wrote:

The blue thing at the bottom is a "Pandora LM-402". A very obscure limiter that's sorta setup like and 1176.


Neat. Never seen one before. Shame about the Sage amps. They've sounded fantastic every time I've heard them.

I've never used a 525, but have always been curious. Recently tried the 527 and loved it; was farther away from my 2500 than I expected. What do you like the 525s for?


I like the 525s on bass and vocals mainly. I can't use them on guitars on account of their extremely fast (and set) attack time. I get wicked crackles when they're hit too hard. Though maybe it's something about my particular units. They are 30+ years old after all...
parasitk
Arturo00 wrote:
bastille wrote:
I've never used a 525, but have always been curious. Recently tried the 527 and loved it; was farther away from my 2500 than I expected. What do you like the 525s for?


I like the 525s on bass and vocals mainly. I can't use them on guitars on account of their extremely fast (and set) attack time. I get wicked crackles when they're hit too hard. Though maybe it's something about my particular units. They are 30+ years old after all...


The 525 is a great vocal compressor. I use it a lot on bass and mono-synth lines too (mostly again, bass type sounds).

It also works great on drum room mics, but you need to tread very carefully unless you want a big sucking sound (generally I don't).

Finally, toss it into "OFF" mode and enjoy the sound of the circuitry with no compression (very, very nice).
Arturo00
Hey Parasitk, do you experience the crackle with yours? do you have the classic vintage ones or do you have the reissues? I have the classics and I get really bad crackling when I hit it too hard with certain signals (with fast attack).

At first I thought it was a gain staging issue, but after running a few tests, i can't be certain anymore.

I know the 525's have two 2520 Opamps in them, so maybe it's one of those. Unfortunately they're soldered in, so I can't swap them like I did for my 550 when it's opamp died (API replaced it no questions asked).

I've had these things for years, but use them so rarely that I haven't bothered to get it checked out. seriously, i just don't get it
parasitk
I have a reissue. I've never had crackling, just the fast-attack sucking sound on a big transient. More on drums than anything. At some point I'd like a second one. I'm not sure how much different the reissue sounds, but I really love it.

I recently built (I mentioned this somewhere else in the forum) a pair of Eisen 312 clones (EAC312v) using clone input and output transformers and op amps. Sounds really great. They're based off the old 70's API 312 preamps. http://www.eisenaudio.com/products/eac312v/

I love that old API sound. love
Tweekhead
I got into the 500 series gear a while back myself. I love it, use it everyday, but you can build the stuff way cheaper than buying it. For example, the Neve 1073LB is retailing for $995. You could build a clone for half of that.
www.thedonclassics.com/nv73diy.html
http://www.soundskulptor.com/uk/mp573.html

Then there is the classic API 312 mic pres, API 512C, $760, and Brent Avrill clones sell for $760, but you could build one "with the DOA" for $260 a channel from http://classicapi.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22_47_55

The guys over at www.prodigy-pro.com/diy are really very, very cool, and the API pres are very easy to build. The only thing I highly recommend is a decent DMM, and a decent soldering station. I have a Hakko 936, "costs maybe $90.

Check out "The Lab" for great info, and then "The White Market" for fantastic DIY stuff.
JohnLRice
Welcome Tweekhead! w00t

I just noticed this new Neve 500 series pre has been announced:
http://www.vintageking.com/Neve-1073LB

essex sound lab
JohnLRice wrote:

I just noticed this new Neve 500 series pre has been announced:
http://www.vintageking.com/Neve-1073LB


Oh my.

And unrealistic as this shot may be, it makes for some nice porn...

Low-Gain
c'mon guys.. i'm not seeing enough talk about Great River 500 series! smile
har har..

*the burn-in rack*
bastille
I wonder about that Neve. Seems like it would have no more I'm common with a proper 1073 as many of the clones. I'm sure it's cool though.

Re: those GR Harrisin modules... Just bought a Harrison board! Cool EQs. Wonder how the GRs differ.
panda30y
bastille wrote:
I wonder about that Neve. Seems like it would have no more I'm common with a proper 1073 as many of the clones. I'm sure it's cool though.


THe 1073LB sounds very close to the Avedis MA5 and is comparable to that. I A/B'd those two preamps and they were very similar and hard to distinguish. Compared to a vintage 1073 it was pretty close, but regardless it gets you in that area and is a great preamp.
parasitk
Tweekhead wrote:
Then there is the classic API 312 mic pres, API 512C, $760, and Brent Avrill clones sell for $760, but you could build one "with the DOA" for $260 a channel from http://classicapi.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22_47_55


This is almost what I did, except I used the Eisen kit. I did source the I/O transformers and knobs from the Classic API site. I sold my SH Mono Gama and turned it into two channels of API - total win for me! thumbs up

I just wish there were more EQ or compressor kits for the 500 series...

//Chris
bastille
panda30y wrote:
bastille wrote:
I wonder about that Neve. Seems like it would have no more I'm common with a proper 1073 as many of the clones. I'm sure it's cool though.


THe 1073LB sounds very close to the Avedis MA5 and is comparable to that. I A/B'd those two preamps and they were very similar and hard to distinguish. Compared to a vintage 1073 it was pretty close, but regardless it gets you in that area and is a great preamp.


Interesting. I like the MA5 a lot, but didn't really think of it as being that similar to the old Neves I've used. Obviously we're talking subtle differences. I thought the Great River actually did that big, saturated low end thing more like the Neve stuff, where the Avedis was still powerful in the lows but a little more hollow and clear. I'm sure they'll sell a boatload just so people can say they've got a 1073 on their webpage.
Tweekhead
I just wish there were more EQ or compressor kits for the 500 series...

//Chris[/quote]

I agree for the need of more EQ, compressor kits. There are a few out there, but for most you have to source all your own parts, and there always seems to be a back ordered part at Mouser that you won't see for 3 months...

Check out http://www.prodigy-pro.com/diy/index.php?topic=40009.80
Igor's 1176 in 500 series
Entrainer



This comes today!

Got a Atlas Pro Revolver coming on Wed to house it.
Trying to avoid a 500 collection, prefer rack mount
or console myself.

SOMEDAY....
someday...

I will have a "modular" Tonelux mini console.
Tweekhead
Nice! I'm addicted to the 500 series. No need to find a case, toroidal, PSU, etc... I'm all about the DIY modules myself, as most of the modules are way to pricey to really get everything I want, so I'm always on the prodigy-pro.com/diy site.

There are some very cool new projects coming out for the 51x, and 500 series, but alas, not fast enough for me.)
Entrainer
Tweekhead wrote:
so I'm always on the prodigy-pro.com/diy site.


I checked that out about a year ago. I need to revisit, brush up.
I'd love to build a GSSL + 1176 clone someday.

Plus there are a ton of modules I'd like to DIY.

I just "built" my first project, the level 1 (easy) difficulty MOTM power supply.
The PCB was already populated... minimal soldering. But it works!
Tweekhead
cool! I've done quite a bit of diy recently, and very soon I'll be working on the latest GSSL incarnation. The SB4000

http://www.prodigy-pro.com/diy/index.php?topic=40755.0

I've already received the boards, and faceplate, but I'm waiting on the "whole enchilada" parts order from Ptownkid

http://www.prodigy-pro.com/diy/index.php?topic=36609.0

I'm very much a nub to schematics and troubleshooting, but peeps on the forum are very cool about helping you out.

Bo Hansen DI is a great place to start, and the unit sounds fantastic with the Lundahl LL1538 transformer.

Check out: http://www.prodigy-pro.com/diy/index.php?topic=36569.0

and: http://www.hansenaudio.se/techpage#active%20DI-box,%20my%20work%20hors e%20from%201975

Compared to my Countryman it's very colored and sound fat and round on bass.
Arturo00
btw, the new Radial entrance into the 500 series game looks very very promising. Especially their case/PSU! It's got internal routing, aux sends, built in mixer with headphone outs,
huge amount of power, etc. Looks perfect for location recording! And they've got about 6 or 7 modules ranging from $300 to $750!

If this stuff is anything like their DI boxes, I think this will bring Radial to another level entirely! I'm certain of it...

http://www.vintageking.com/Radial-Engineering-Workhorse



Tweekhead
The downside on the Radial Workhorse 5000 is that no one really knows when this is going to be released. I was waiting so long for the Radial I canceled my order and picked up a 2nd iunchbox, and this was about 10 months ago.
Babaluma
yeah, was gonna say the same thing, they were talking about it and advertising it on the back of tape op all last year, still no sign... i'd go with a purple of BAE if i was gonna go the 500 series route.
zerosum
Even though I still don't have a 500 rack to put anything in,
I keep looking at this these things and forgetting I don't have a house for them:
http://www.fivefishstudios.com/500-series-modules/peq-503-equalizer

I have some nice pre's and compressors on the way, what I would be missing is more EQ, so starting out with a 500 series rack dedicated to EQ would be nanners

I think next year might actually be the year of the 500 for me, we will see.
applause MY ASS IS BLEEDING
bkbirge
This is my favorite 500 series pre by a large margin, I've got 4 of 'em, soon to be 6...



I've used 'em all and the next one I can't wait to try is the Flickenger that just came out...



The Classic API stuff (VPN25/26/etc) are also great pres for the DIY'er. I'm building one of Igor's mixbuzz's GSSL 500 series comps also...

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