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Post by modul8tr » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:37 pm

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Haha! Sounds like my last few weeks. Need more hooky time. I’d love to hear your demo as well. The cv processor is the only Verbos module NOT on my list and I’m about to buy them all this week. My research left me with the impression that I could buy another Maths (and slap red Rogan knobs on it).

Any longtime Verbos System users have thoughts on which power supply has worked best for them? My dealer is trying to contact Verbos to see if I can get one of their new cases, but they’re on holiday. I believe Mark mentioned they would start selling them separately at Superbooth but I could be wrong.

If I can’t get his case/power I believe Doepfer was mentioned as a solid supply for Verbos. Can’t really search the thread at the moment so any info is appreciated.

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Post by Tumulishroomaroom » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:48 pm

I've put Verbos modules in Intellijel 7u/4u and in MDLR Case with the MDLR power supply and never had any problem.
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Post by mritenburg » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:37 pm

I've always used Doepfer PSU2 supplies with my Verbos modules. No issues at all.
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Post by modul8tr » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:09 pm

Excellent to hear!! I will look into both. Thank you both!

And Monsieur Marchal I was JUST liking a bunch of your Instagram vids last night. You have a very good ear :yay:

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Post by Tumulishroomaroom » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:28 pm

Thank you modul8tr :)
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Post by scuto » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:00 am

modul8tr wrote:Any longtime Verbos System users have thoughts on which power supply has worked best for them? ... Can’t really search the thread at the moment so any info is appreciated.
My understanding is the earlier iterations of some of the modules played well with linear supplies. My story is I bought a CO used, Version 2 2013, and it was wiggling on its own in my Mantis case. Through emails and sending it to the US tech (Patchworks NYC, I think), it now sits happily in my Mantis, purring away alongside an ATC which never had issues in the case.

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Post by modul8tr » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:34 pm

Interesting, thank you for sharing!

I can confirm the same with the CO, ATC, D4P (all acquired new 2016-2018) and in the last month the HO. All are happy with Tiptop power in the Mantis case, so as of now I’m considering TipTop or the Doepfer PSU 2/3. Though I noticed the scary (all bold) “needs qualified electrician to install” warnings attached to the Doepfer PSUs :eek:. I know nothing, so hopefully whoever builds the case can also install power for me.

I thought all repairs were done in Berlin, but that’s awesome if there’s still a US tech as well!

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Post by stephentrask » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:22 pm

modul8tr wrote:^
Haha! Sounds like my last few weeks. Need more hooky time. I’d love to hear your demo as well. The cv processor is the only Verbos module NOT on my list and I’m about to buy them all this week. My research left me with the impression that I could buy another Maths (and slap red Rogan knobs on it).
I still don't quite get the Maths as a replacement for the VCP. I get that there's no specific function the VSP does that Maths can't do but the Voltage Control Processor is two four channel mixers and a slew. Two Triatts or two Frap Tools 321 and a Doepfer A-171 seem like a more apt comparison.
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Post by mritenburg » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:30 pm

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modul8tr wrote:^
Haha! Sounds like my last few weeks. Need more hooky time. I’d love to hear your demo as well. The cv processor is the only Verbos module NOT on my list and I’m about to buy them all this week. My research left me with the impression that I could buy another Maths (and slap red Rogan knobs on it).
I still don't quite get the Maths as a replacement for the VCP. I get that there's no specific function the VSP does that Maths can't do but the Voltage Control Processor is two four channel mixers and a slew. Two Triatts or two Frap Tools 321 and a Doepfer A-171 seem like a more apt comparison.
Maths is based on the same previous technology as the VCP, but with a different proportion of ingredients. The Maths envelope generators are also looping slew processors. The center 4 ch mixer, processor, offset, etc is based on the Buchla 256 and 257 like the 4 processors on the VCP. I can't say that either is a 1:1 replacement for the other, rather they are both modules that implement similar functionality in different combinations.

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Post by stephentrask » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:36 pm

mritenburg wrote: Maths is based on the same previous technology as the VCP, but with a different proportion of ingredients. The Maths envelope generators are also looping skew processors. The center 4 ch mixer, processor, offset, etc is based on the Buchla 256 and 257 like the 4 processors on the VCP. I can't say that either is a 1:1 replacement for the other, rather they are both modules that implement similar functionality in different combinations.
I did understand those similarities. And I get people's aversion to the VCP because it's really expensive for a slew plus two utility mixers. It's the 1:1 replacement that I don't get. The CVP is like two of that center four-channel mixer.

Question: Can you use the mixer on Maths while using it as a slew generator?
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Post by mritenburg » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:11 pm

stephentrask wrote:
mritenburg wrote: Maths is based on the same previous technology as the VCP, but with a different proportion of ingredients. The Maths envelope generators are also looping skew processors. The center 4 ch mixer, processor, offset, etc is based on the Buchla 256 and 257 like the 4 processors on the VCP. I can't say that either is a 1:1 replacement for the other, rather they are both modules that implement similar functionality in different combinations.
I did understand those similarities. And I get people's aversion to the VCP because it's really expensive for a slew plus two utility mixers. It's the 1:1 replacement that I don't get. The CVP is like two of that center four-channel mixer.

Question: Can you use the mixer on Maths while using it as a slew generator?
Yes, the center channel voltage processors operate independently of the slew processors. At $99, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Tiptop Miso as a serious alternative to the Verbos CVP.

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Post by modul8tr » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:59 pm

Is the Miso a new module?? Surprised I’ve never heard of it as I’ve been looking at lots of voltage processors.

Regarding Maths as a 1:1 replacement, I wasn’t looking at it that way. More as similar functionality for a lower price that gets me going with a dedicated cv processor (that I already know and love) for the system and leaves me with cash for things like the expensive Sequential Poly Evolver potentiometer conversion kit :)

Since Maths is nearly half the cost of CVP, I may put that money toward the Verbos module at a later date. The Miso looks very useful, thanks for mentioning it Mritenberg!

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Post by stephentrask » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:08 pm

mritenburg wrote:
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mritenburg wrote: Maths is based on the same previous technology as the VCP, but with a different proportion of ingredients. The Maths envelope generators are also looping skew processors. The center 4 ch mixer, processor, offset, etc is based on the Buchla 256 and 257 like the 4 processors on the VCP. I can't say that either is a 1:1 replacement for the other, rather they are both modules that implement similar functionality in different combinations.
I did understand those similarities. And I get people's aversion to the VCP because it's really expensive for a slew plus two utility mixers. It's the 1:1 replacement that I don't get. The CVP is like two of that center four-channel mixer.

Question: Can you use the mixer on Maths while using it as a slew generator?
Yes, the center channel voltage processors operate independently of the slew processors. At $99, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Tiptop Miso as a serious alternative to the Verbos CVP.
It's possible that I have a partly irrational disdain for all things Make Noise. I have never met a Make Noise module that i didn't hate.

Can you do two slews with Maths while using the mixer separately?
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Post by mritenburg » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:43 pm

stephentrask wrote:Can you do two slews with Maths while using the mixer separately?
Yep, the slewing is controlled by the attack/rise and decay/fall controls of the envelope generators. So you have two independent slew circuits.

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Post by stephentrask » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:45 pm

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stephentrask wrote:Can you do two slews with Maths while using the mixer separately?
Yep, the slewing is controlled by the attack/rise and decay/fall controls of the envelope generators. So you have two independent slew circuits.
Then why did I hate Maths so much when i used it? It always sounds so awesome.
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Post by mritenburg » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:40 am

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stephentrask wrote:Can you do two slews with Maths while using the mixer separately?
Yep, the slewing is controlled by the attack/rise and decay/fall controls of the envelope generators. So you have two independent slew circuits.
Then why did I hate Maths so much when i used it? It always sounds so awesome.
I can't answer that. I personally think that Maths is an essential add-on to a Verbos system. I'd love to see Verbos release their version of a Buchla 281 type envelope generator, but, until then, Maths is my go to module for that range of functionality in Euro.

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Post by stephentrask » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:27 am

mritenburg wrote:
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stephentrask wrote:Can you do two slews with Maths while using the mixer separately?
Yep, the slewing is controlled by the attack/rise and decay/fall controls of the envelope generators. So you have two independent slew circuits.
Then why did I hate Maths so much when i used it? It always sounds so awesome.
I can't answer that. I personally think that Maths is an essential add-on to a Verbos system. I'd love to see Verbos release their version of a Buchla 281 type envelope generator, but, until then, Maths is my go to module for that range of functionality in Euro.
Well, i suppose I should give it another try. I think it's been updated since the one i hated. Up until now I have sold every MN I've bought and hated everyone I tried out but your endorsement will send me back.
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Post by mritenburg » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:19 am

stephentrask wrote:Well, i suppose I should give it another try. I think it's been updated since the one i hated. Up until now I have sold every MN I've bought and hated everyone I tried out but your endorsement will send me back.
Without going too far off-topic, I will say that I have a collection of MN modules in my cabinet and find that they compliment my Verbos modules quite well. Back in 2014 when the first collection of Verbos modules was released there was no envelope generator, no mixer, no delay/reverb, no voltage processor, no random source, so I augmented my Verbos system with the MN modules that filled those gap. I'm still very happy with those MN modules even though I have added more of the newer Verbos modules.

Just for fun, I posted this a while back, but this was create way back in 2014-2015 using the initially available Verbos modules with Maths as the EG.

http://soundcloud.com/labelleaurore/verbos-patches

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Post by w00dw0rth » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:56 am

mritenburg wrote:
stephentrask wrote:
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stephentrask wrote:Can you do two slews with Maths while using the mixer separately?
Yep, the slewing is controlled by the attack/rise and decay/fall controls of the envelope generators. So you have two independent slew circuits.
Then why did I hate Maths so much when i used it? It always sounds so awesome.
I can't answer that. I personally think that Maths is an essential add-on to a Verbos system. I'd love to see Verbos release their version of a Buchla 281 type envelope generator, but, until then, Maths is my go to module for that range of functionality in Euro.
That would be sweet!

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Post by Illwiggle » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:07 pm

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stephentrask wrote:Well, i suppose I should give it another try. I think it's been updated since the one i hated. Up until now I have sold every MN I've bought and hated everyone I tried out but your endorsement will send me back.
Without going too far off-topic, I will say that I have a collection of MN modules in my cabinet and find that they compliment my Verbos modules quite well. Back in 2014 when the first collection of Verbos modules was released there was no envelope generator, no mixer, no delay/reverb, no voltage processor, no random source, so I augmented my Verbos system with the MN modules that filled those gap. I'm still very happy with those MN modules even though I have added more of the newer Verbos modules.

Just for fun, I posted this a while back, but this was create way back in 2014-2015 using the initially available Verbos modules with Maths as the EG.

http://soundcloud.com/labelleaurore/verbos-patches
Very cool sound byte! Ive been using a Rampage for slew duties & oddball gates, but I dont have any attenuation modules, which Ive been sorely needing, so Im considering a Maths, possibly to replace the Rampage....dunno, will have to try em side by side

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Post by stephentrask » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:56 pm

mritenburg wrote:
stephentrask wrote:Well, i suppose I should give it another try. I think it's been updated since the one i hated. Up until now I have sold every MN I've bought and hated everyone I tried out but your endorsement will send me back.
Without going too far off-topic, I will say that I have a collection of MN modules in my cabinet and find that they compliment my Verbos modules quite well. Back in 2014 when the first collection of Verbos modules was released there was no envelope generator, no mixer, no delay/reverb, no voltage processor, no random source, so I augmented my Verbos system with the MN modules that filled those gap. I'm still very happy with those MN modules even though I have added more of the newer Verbos modules.

Just for fun, I posted this a while back, but this was create way back in 2014-2015 using the initially available Verbos modules with Maths as the EG.

http://soundcloud.com/labelleaurore/verbos-patches
So, first of all, I remember that piece very well. I loved it then and love it now. Pretty sure that your demos were crucial in my decision to go down the Verbos path. And your rack was influential in my trying out so many MN modules. I'm still in awe of the range of textures you coax out of these instruments and how beautifully you sculpt them.

I started playing tonight with the Verbos VCP. I was having a blast but still in the beginning phases.
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Post by modul8tr » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:46 pm

Quick question for any Harmonic Oscillator users, does your scan knob go silent at full ccw and full cw with with width set full ccw, tilt at 12 o’clock and all sliders down?

This definitely seems the intended behavior but just want to confirm.

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Post by Leverkusen » Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:01 am

modul8tr wrote:Quick question for any Harmonic Oscillator users, does your scan knob go silent at full ccw and full cw with with width set full ccw, tilt at 12 o’clock and all sliders down?

This definitely seems the intended behavior but just want to confirm.
Yes, it is intended behaviour. Like the zero points between the single harmonics. There is demo video of Mark explorimg this and I have had mine repaired because it did not behave like that. It's a great feature for rhithmic and VCA like stuff.

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Post by modul8tr » Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:39 am

I figured but thanks for the confirmation Leverkusen. What a beautiful instrument!!

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Post by modul8tr » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:04 am

New vid on the Verbos Channel!




Don’t know if I have seen this one posted here. Multi-Delay presentation.

The performance def got the tush movin’ :nana:

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