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Demo Track for Numerology

Post by sunsinger » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:24 pm

Lets Try This Again!

This first Time I tried to upload this to SoundCloud I really didn't like the results of the Audio compression that is used there so I remixed it to optimize for the lack of definition of the older track. I think it's better now. So if you gave this a listen before and it SUCKED, try this. I think it's a bit better now.


This piece of music was done during the last couple of days that a discussion about Numerology Sequencing VS. Hardware Sequencing was happening on Muffs.

http://soundcloud.com/sunsinger/numerology-remix-2-1

I have only used Numerology to create the sequences used in this work. There are no keyboards played or anything added with the exception of some Echo Boy delay effects in Pro Tools. A Bass track was created first in Numerology and Recorded into ProTools as a guide track. Then I performed the rest of the tracks live on the modular, while recording each voice to separate tracks in Pro Tools. I mixed the live tracks using Pro Tools later.

I have A MOTM 650 4 Channel Midi Interface and a DotCom Q104 Midi Interface. This provided 5 midi channels to the modular to creating 5 sequenced voices. The oscillators were routed to multiple filters and Modular effects to give the feeling of more parts. The effects included a Modcan Flanger, Super Delay and Dual Frequency Shifter.

The screenshot below represents the whole session. There are 5 sequences, not much more.

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Post by sandyb » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:30 pm

that was really nice ron. thanks for posting it. a good example of what numerology can do.

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Post by ignatius » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:31 pm

nice one!

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Post by sunsinger » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:31 pm

Thanks Sandy.

Hey do you know why SoundCloud sounds so shitty? That upload is supposed to be 16 bit 44.1. But it sounds like its almost mono compared to the mix here.
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Post by sandyb » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:37 pm

while i haven't used soundcloud, i'm guessing that although you may be uploading a wav file it isn't a wav that's being streamed but possibly (probably?) an mp3 instead.

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Post by sunsinger » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:42 pm

sandyb wrote:i haven't used soundcloud but i'm guessing that while you may be uploading a wav file it isn't a wav that's being streamed but possibly (probably?) an mp3 instead.
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Post by kindredlost » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:27 pm

Sounds great Ron.

I'm following you there now. I just joined a few days ago, so I don't have much there yet.

I haven't noticed the compressed file nature yet. I uploaded some WAV files too but they sound about the same to me. They were 44.1/16b for CD reproduction later.

The modular patch sounds are wonderful. Could you show a snapshot of the mixer or timeline view? I am planning on registering Numerology tomorrow :yay: so I haven't seen a full patch set yet.

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Post by kindredlost » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:39 pm

sandyb wrote:while i haven't used soundcloud, i'm guessing that although you may be uploading a wav file it isn't a wav that's being streamed but possibly (probably?) an mp3 instead.
After going back and comparing the original to the uploaded track, I've noticed a difference. The tracks are still WAV but are probably reduced. Easy enough to do in order to compact the data. There is a distinct loss of dynamic level and at some broad sections there are harmonic anomalies.

So far my account is free. May stay that way. I have so many other sites but most are definitely mp3. The WAV file format was the attraction to Soundcloud. Oh well.

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Post by sunsinger » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:46 pm

kindredlost wrote:Sounds great Ron.

I'm following you there now. I just joined a few days ago, so I don't have much there yet.

I haven't noticed the compressed file nature yet. I uploaded some WAV files too but they sound about the same to me. They were 44.1/16b for CD reproduction later.

The modular patch sounds are wonderful. Could you show a snapshot of the mixer or timeline view? I am planning on registering Numerology tomorrow :yay: so I haven't seen a full patch set yet.

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Thank you so much David,
Believe it or not. I never opened the mixer window for this recording, and did not use the timeline or presets at all. But I'll send you those screenshots a bit later on this evening.

Cheers, Ron

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Post by sunsinger » Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:43 pm

Hey David,

Here are those screen shots you asked about. The timeline wasn't used. The mixer shows presets in stack 4, but I did not trigger them from the Mixer window. I used the Stack window to trigger presets from. But when one has presets across all of the stacks. the Mixer window is the place to do
your preset Launching from.

Jim and I talked and I think he's going to create a clip launch from the mixer that will work a little like live. You should be able to map those to the Abelton Launchpad hardware controller.

God the audio on that download is really awful. But I work with alot of dense tracks, panning, and delay. It was warm open and transparent played on my system. I'll have to learn to mix for down sampled formats.


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Post by Phineous » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:58 am

Bump :party:

Nice track, I am getting this software.

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Post by rezzn8r » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:43 am

Yes, very nice track! Great texture. :sb:
I've been messing with Numerology since I got midi->cv for my Modcan and Blacet. So far, I've only used the note/interval sequencers. I'm going to have to make a point of spending some time with the mixer and preset manager soon. Great program.
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Post by sunsinger » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:50 am

rezzn8r wrote:Yes, very nice track! Great texture. :sb:
I've been messing with Numerology since I got midi->cv for my Modcan and Blacet. So far, I've only used the note/interval sequencers. I'm going to have to make a point of spending some time with the mixer and preset manager soon. Great program.
Thanks for your kind words rezzn8r regarding the track. I think you will like how deep this program goes. In the new iterations, even more depth to be announced. See his roadmap on the forum.
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Post by synthetic » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:06 pm

Very nice track. I believe that Soundcloud has a setting to allow people to download the WAV file. Like this:

http://soundcloud.com/chris-randall/tattoo-gruven4

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Post by sunsinger » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:07 pm

Phineous wrote:Bump :party:

Nice track, I am getting this software.

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Thanks for the compliments of the track. I only wish it sounded as rich as it does here. Maybe someone out there knows of a really good public audio player service.

I'm sure that you will love this program. Lot's of goodies.

The Drum Machine/Sample Player rocks. The Chord Sequencer. I know that there are a number of goodies in developement right now. These will be unlocked in Version 3. This program gets bigger and bigger.

The AU hosting is pretty spectacular, so you can sequence your Modular with it, and various softsynths and Effects. Also lots of CV implementation.

I just say WOW! Jim is making a landmark program here... Cheaply!

Little bugs pop up from time to time as Jim adds more & more features to it. This is to be expected. But these are handled quickly and personally. I have even had whole sections of the program designed for my needs at times during the early development stages.

If you have a great idea, present it on the Forum. He considers any such requests seriously to see if it's cool enough to put on the to do list. So reporting issues or ideas on the forum is how Jim works. And the best way to get things done. Jim checks the Forum daily, and uses it as a source of feedback.

He's one of the most personable developers out there. I'm very impressed at the level of support, and growth of Numerology. If you buy the program (I don't know if your still using the demo). Then you qualify to Beta test new iterations, which has always been very cool.
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Post by kindredlost » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:11 pm

I bought Numerology last night. It will be another great tool for composing.

I only hope I could make something as nice as the track you made Ron. Well done.

I'm still learning the ropes on the CV patches. Sometimes I get a bit confused, but since joining the Five12 forum I'll be learning more soon enough.

See? Even though your original post was to inform people that didn't have the budget for a hardware sequencer, it resulted in other users that DO have hardware sequencers. :yay:

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Post by emdot_ambient » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:13 pm

Love the track...but Numerology is just way too expensive for me.

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Post by sunsinger » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:17 pm

kindredlost wrote:I bought Numerology last night. It will be another great tool for composing.

I only hope I could make something as nice as the track you made Ron. Well done.

I'm still learning the ropes on the CV patches. Sometimes I get a bit confused, but since joining the Five12 forum I'll be learning more soon enough.

See? Even though your original post was to inform people that didn't have the budget for a hardware sequencer, it resulted in other users that DO have hardware sequencers. :yay:

-David
Thank you for your kind words David. I'm excited that my posting is having positive results. BTW, I have a hardware sequencer too. I'm looking forward some day to add to the collection. I am also liking the new Quantizer options from DotCom. This will help out with my STG stuff greatly.
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Post by sandyb » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:18 pm

emdot_ambient wrote:Love the track...but Numerology is just way too expensive for me.
not to dismiss your comment in any way but compared to any of the analogue hardware sequencers out there numerology is very cheap.

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Post by sunsinger » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:05 pm

NOTICE:

To all of you that have been following the Numerology threads. I think it is time to move this discussion over the the Software part of the forum... I'll be putting new demos and videos up there in the future.

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Post by kindredlost » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:06 pm

sandyb wrote:
emdot_ambient wrote:Love the track...but Numerology is just way too expensive for me.
not to dismiss your comment in any way but compared to any of the analogue hardware sequencers out there numerology is very cheap.
I think that was sarcasm.

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Post by emdot_ambient » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:14 pm

kindredlost wrote:
sandyb wrote:
emdot_ambient wrote:Love the track...but Numerology is just way too expensive for me.
not to dismiss your comment in any way but compared to any of the analogue hardware sequencers out there numerology is very cheap.
I think that was sarcasm.
...no it just means that I'd have to order a Mac first, and thus any analog sequencer would be cheaper :mrgreen:

It's really not often you Mac users get to gloat over software not available on all platforms! :hihi:

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Post by sduck » Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:06 am

emdot_ambient wrote:
kindredlost wrote:
sandyb wrote:
emdot_ambient wrote:Love the track...but Numerology is just way too expensive for me.
not to dismiss your comment in any way but compared to any of the analogue hardware sequencers out there numerology is very cheap.
I think that was sarcasm.
...no it just means that I'd have to order a Mac first, and thus any analog sequencer would be cheaper :mrgreen:
Nope not really - it's not very cpu intensive software; it'll run adequately on fairly antiquated hardware. It runs great on my old G4 powerbook, and you can (could?) get those refurbished for under 400$. Get an older refurb macbook and you can run almost anything.

I'd bet that for the cost of a .com 119 you could get a complete mac system and numerology!

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Post by suitandtieguy » Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:34 am

sduck wrote:I'd bet that for the cost of a .com 119 you could get a complete mac system and numerology!
i'd bet for the cost of a voltage mini-store and a time buffer you could get a g4 powerbook, numerology, and a midi interface.
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Post by kindredlost » Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:06 pm

suitandtieguy wrote:
sduck wrote:I'd bet that for the cost of a .com 119 you could get a complete mac system and numerology!
i'd bet for the cost of a voltage mini-store and a time buffer you could get a g4 powerbook, numerology, and a midi interface.
Put in that perspective, the Mini Store and Time Buffer are sounding better and better.

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