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Cwejman, Livewire, TipTop Audio, Doepfer etc... Get your euro on!

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Post by Umcorps » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:14 am

wetterberg wrote:
Adam-V wrote:Has anybody fitted these to their Doepfer modules - do they come in a spline version?
Yes and yes.
And another double yes here.

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Post by levka » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:18 am

Does anybody have a source for the Livewire knobs?

I mailed Mike Brown about it once, and if I remember well, he said they were NOS from Raytheon and kind of hard to obtain.

many thanks!
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Post by levka » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:22 am

maise wrote:many knobs here:
http://www.banzaimusic.com/Knobs/
Thanks a lot for this!

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Post by kollo » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:52 am

wow. was just going to order knobs from rapid but the cheapest shipping option to sweden was 25 pounds. thats quiiiite expensive, considering 5 LPs from uk is less than 10 pounds...

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Post by fonik » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:18 am

IMHO it is not the knob only that counts (it's material and diameter), but the potentiometer also. the same knob on different potentioemters will 'feel' different and the knob you like on one module might not feel right for you on a module of another manufacturer!? what do you think? or does the look overrule?
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Post by LDT » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:41 am

My choice is black Davies:

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Post by maise » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:55 am

fonik wrote:IMHO it is not the knob only that counts (it's material and diameter), but the potentiometer also. the same knob on different potentioemters will 'feel' different and the knob you like on one module might not feel right for you on a module of another manufacturer!? what do you think? or does the look overrule?
yes, i think you are right.
it is the combination of knob and potentiometer that makes the haptical "feel" of a module. thats why i like the cwejmans, very solid and massive.
i think the manufacturers did a good choice, this way everything is unique and easy to find in a big system. doepfer with black knobs? no, i like it the hospital-grey-style...

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Post by king fonk » Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:23 am

Being a friend of bakelite and other resin plastics with a similar haptic to bakelite I favor the Eagle knobs as used by Livewire and the Davies 1900 (or their vietnamese clones) as used by Malekko.
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Post by VanEck » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:48 pm

+ 1 for The Harvestman knobs.

I really enjoy how they look and feel, orange color and all. Some folks say they always seem too wobbly, but I've never really found it to be a feeling of "weakness". They just feel like they are meant to be tweaked out to me.

Second runner up would have to be LiveWire knobs for sure.
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Post by SquidInSquidInk » Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:10 pm

So, are these the knobs that Livewire uses?

http://www.smallbearelec.com/Detail.bok?no=104

http://www.smallbearelec.com/Detail.bok?no=644

I'm considering them as Doepfer/Tiptop replacements, but I'm not sure the dimensions are correct and Small Bear's info is limited. Also, it looks like the Davies clones are still out of stock there.

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Post by wetterberg » Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:11 pm

I think this forum and the recent Serge-alike trend is largely to blame for the Davies-clone crisis of 2010 ;)

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Post by Peake » Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:06 pm

I like the Davies knobs in Euro format.
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Post by theglyph » Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:33 pm

Those blue Buchla 200 knobs. I'd cut off a little toe to get a pile of those for my DIY work!

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Post by Qmod » Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:21 pm

fonik wrote:IMHO it is not the knob only that counts (it's material and diameter), but the potentiometer also. the same knob on different potentioemters will 'feel' different and the knob you like on one module might not feel right for you on a module of another manufacturer!? what do you think? or does the look overrule?
totally agree with this statement.

diminutive knobs are okay if the underlying physical response is sure-footed - smooth with a modicum of resistance.

larger tactile knobs like livewire use are great aesthetically, but their diameter and finger grooves also help to physically "locate" pots that are perhaps too agile.

my favourite knobs and pots come from amateur radios and equipment where the resistance and balance is often tuned to the function of the knob and its particular range of movement.

multi-use knobs (pots) are fun too - like the push / pull type found on the grendel drone commander that activate different functions = 50% reduction in knob real estate.

My favourite knob of all time is the large multi-turn tuning knob on my FT2000 radio - with an independent resistance adjustment and motive weight that is big fun to use and tunable for any speed / graticule setting. I must say, even the radio's little knobs with rubberized tactile bands sporting tiny raised squares around the circumfrence feel real nice thanks greatly to the role played by the underlying mechanics that Fonik identified.

On the amateur radio knob thing - there are a lot of "boat-anchors" (dead radios and equipment) to be had cheaply. Often one pays for it by weight alone (see Dayton Hamfest photos). If you're big into DIY and retro-fits then this can be a good resource for unusual knobs and pots.

If you don't want to trawl around the junkyards - i found this guy online and I reckon he's got it covered (look under his knobs section)

http://www.tubesandmore.com/

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or if you really wanna crap out with the old "a-bit-stuffed" look, then why not raid your grannies bakelite radio collection?

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Post by coomby » Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:12 pm

theglyph wrote:Those blue Buchla 200 knobs. I'd cut off a little toe to get a pile of those for my DIY work!
I would certainly chip in one of my toes to that order

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Post by the bad producer » Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:48 pm

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Post by Qmod » Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:55 pm

coomby wrote:
theglyph wrote:Those blue Buchla 200 knobs. I'd cut off a little toe to get a pile of those for my DIY work!
I would certainly chip in one of my toes to that order
okay coomby - if you're dead set on buchla blue skirted knobs, start cutting and send your toe here:

http://www.buckeyeshapeform.com/buckeye ... index.html

http://www.buckeyeshapeform.com/buckeye ... /knobs.pdf

http://www.buckeyeshapeform.com/buckeye ... obs-NM.pdf

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Post by amnesia » Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:20 am

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Post by Qmod » Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:25 am

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Why is that uLFO is not bolted down - sell it to me!

BTW The knobs are very nice!

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Post by amnesia » Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:50 am

i am waiting for my Monorocket case...all my modules have been in boxes for most 6 months while I believed Randal was going to release a great case, then I ordered a custom Monorocket and then changed my mind on the colour.

It should be here 15 Feb 2010 :-)

Cant wait :-)

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Post by Qmod » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:31 am

amnesia wrote:...It should be here 15 Feb 2010 :-)

Cant wait :-)
Coincidence amnesia - my doepfer case is due early February (fingers crossed) - same euro train, different carriages I guess.

No jokes about meeting up at the station sometime to compare knobs - okay!

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Post by coomby » Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:34 pm

@Qmod: thanks for the suggestion. it's a nice try but these are not the Buchla knobs.

Buchla (together with many other companies) use Selco (Sifam) knobs.
I have contacted them and they only sell through their country representatives.
This means, being in France, I have to address the french rep., who incidentally, only sells in minimum quantities of 500.

only solution is a group buy. but I don't have enough time to organize such a thing.

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Post by johnchantler » Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:47 pm

my current jonesing is for the round buchla-style knobs that are also on the zero oscillator - wee rogan ones. can't decide between them and the old 200 style davies...

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Post by amnesia » Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:08 pm

I would love to see a complete euro modular with all the Livewire knobs :-)

I love Rogan Josh!

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