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i think i hate my MOOG VOYAGER.

Post by Montgomery Word » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:51 am

i've been lamenting over this for MONTHS.
i've owned a moog prodigy for years, and always loved it. i'd probably never let it go...
so eventually i stumbled across a sub phatty. didn't even come close to the sound of the prodigy. i felt like the ipad rivaled it, honestly.
then all of a sudden, someone basically unloaded this mint voyager on my for an op1 and the sub phatty. really good trade.
but ever since, i've been trying to make this thing my friend, and ending up going with the microkorg, pocket piano, or prodigy instead. even the ipad makes me happier sometimes. effed up, right?


i feel like it lacks bass, has oscillators that are way too stable, and overall seems WEAK and sounds like a soft synth.

so my question to you wigglers is DO YOU LIKE YOUR MOOG VOYAGER?

:bang: :bang: :bang:

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Post by stellvia » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:01 am

An unqualified :love: for my Voyager, though we may still be in the honeymoon phase as I've only had it for a few months. Still, I play the Voyager most days and love it!

To be fair, I've never had an older Moog, only a Little Phatty and Sub Phatty (and I liked both of them to be honest). I feel that it has reasonable bass, but I mainly use it for leads at the moment, my oscillators aren't that stable (just had it open for a tune up a few days ago), and definitely not weak sounding! I also run it through a pedal board effects setup and have a fuzz pedal and Moog Drive pedal to add even more girth and dirt to the sound :nana:

On the other hand, it is a very particular type of sound, and I've known I've wanted one for years. I can see how people might not get along with it though and as always, musical instruments are a very objective thing.

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Post by Montgomery Word » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:04 am

i was a little harsh. i have enjoyed some of the sounds that other synths with just two oscillators and no noise generators could not muster.
it's the lack of low end, and even mids. this is a whiny post, i am aware. just feel like i've realized that i'm strictly NOT an analog dude, i'm a VINTAGE analog dude....
but i do enjoy routing the voyager through my sp404's effects.....

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Post by Montgomery Word » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:05 am

i had many of the same gripes about modular.
shit these days is so weak compared to older synths....
if you've ever owned a vintage (working) analog synth, you know exactly what i mean...

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Post by Montgomery Word » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:22 am



the randomize function seems radical for the editor.

stellvia::do you use this?

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Post by stellvia » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:46 am

Haven't even looked at the editor to be honest. Happy enough doing everything through the front panel.

One of the biggest things for me is that the Voyager feels like a real instrument. As someone who's grown up learning music on acoustic pianos (and later clarinet and sax), I really appreciate the feel of a good instrument. While I really liked the sound of the Little & Sub Phatties, the Voyager is the first synth I've owned that feels like a real instrument.

Oh, and I've kept myself out of Vintage analog so far, for fear of the slippery slope it may lead down. Pretty sure it's going to happen though :hihi:

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Post by IAMPelican » Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:11 am

Used to use it too, didnt like it neither...

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Post by BendingBus » Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:48 am

Still need to sell mine, sitting in the corner gathering dust...

I found that it does not fit in the mix very well when used for multitrack recording. At first listen it sounds impressive, but once you start layering tracks -- the low mids are too mucky, the top end is not open and shimmery enough, too much circuitry in the way of the sound which makes things plastic sounding, and there is pitch weirdness.

...and there aren't any mods which can fix these problems. Too bad because it has so much potential, but if I were to go that route again I'd give the MacBeth Elements synth a try instead.

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Post by stellvia » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:24 am

I'll just put this here, it deserves to be on any Voyager discussion thread! Apologies if you've heard it before. Created by BTByrd and is one of the reasons I bought my Voyager.

[video][/video]

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Post by amnesia » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:52 am

I thought the Voyager was OK, I little lacking in life though. I stuck with modular gear.

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Post by Christopher Winkels » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:12 am

I had a Voyager OS that I never quite gelled with. It was beautifully built but the sound never felt quite "there". It always seemed constricted and static and lacked the kind of suppleness that other Moog gear has. I don't normally like using woo terms to describe synths, but it this case I can't describe it otherwise.

I've been far more happy with the Sub Phatty. I'd imagine the new Sub 37 is as good or better.

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Post by seditionary » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:00 am

Montgomery Word wrote:i had many of the same gripes about modular.
shit these days is so weak compared to older synths....
if you've ever owned a vintage (working) analog synth, you know exactly what i mean...
I felt this way about a lot of EuroRack stuff. I think the 5U Synthesizers.com and STG and Oakley stuff sounds pretty huge though. Earth booming low end.

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Post by seditionary » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:04 am

so after hearing a couple folks Eurorack systems and then hearing them against 5U systems at NoiseBug, the choice was pretty clear for me to go 5U (but also, to not trade vintage synths) ;)

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Post by BendingBus » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:09 am

stellvia wrote:Created by BTByrd and is one of the reasons I bought my Voyager.
No offense meant Stellvia, but yeah...that recording is an example of the "plasticy" and "mucky/muted" sound that I find so distasteful. :despair:

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Post by stellvia » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:28 am

No probs BendingBus! To each their own :hihi: I like the sound and the quality of the instrument and that's good enough for me! It's a very subjective thing, and never having really played any vintage synths I don't have anything to compare the Voyager to, though I can see where you're coming from. I'm usually using a bunch of pedals with my Voyager and it's mainly being played in a prog rock band so it suits me fine. I'm also primarily using the Voyager as a keyboard player and the feel of the instrument is a major part of me connecting with it, and this is something I find superior about the Voyager in comparison to other synths that I've owned.

Personally I don't find the Voyager to be that 'plasticky' or 'muted' sounding, but I'm primarily a composer so I'm more interested in how the instrument inspires me compositionally, which the Voyager certainly does, more so than the Little Phatty and Sub Phatty that I used to own.

One thing I will mention, I've been playing a lot with both the Voyager and my Boomstar SEM lately, and I think the Boomstar has a slightly 'rawer' sound than the Voyager. I'm quite enjoying the constrast between these two synths.

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Post by JohnLRice » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:53 am

seditionary wrote:so after hearing a couple folks Eurorack systems and then hearing them against 5U systems at NoiseBug, the choice was pretty clear for me to go 5U (but also, to not trade vintage synths) ;)
Cool, Noisebug rocks! Did you get to hear the Moon dual VCO and VCF+VCA etc? :hyper: :goo: :sb:


And, I really like that Voyager track! :love: :love: :love: I wouldn't want to give up my 5U modular for a Voyager but, it wouldn't be the end of the world. 8_)

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Post by BendingBus » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:41 am

My favorite Moog recording of all time is Jean-Jacues Perrey Moog Acid.

...sounds like there might be some Voyager in there, but also lots of vintage Moog.

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Post by seditionary » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:53 pm

JohnLRice wrote:
seditionary wrote:so after hearing a couple folks Eurorack systems and then hearing them against 5U systems at NoiseBug, the choice was pretty clear for me to go 5U (but also, to not trade vintage synths) ;)
Cool, Noisebug rocks! Did you get to hear the Moon dual VCO and VCF+VCA etc? :hyper: :goo: :sb:


And, I really like that Voyager track! :love: :love: :love: I wouldn't want to give up my 5U modular for a Voyager but, it wouldn't be the end of the world. 8_)
Unfortunately I didn't as they were getting ready for NAMM -- it was a couple weeks before, so their 5U systems were pretty taken apart. But I did hear a Moon Oscillator and then some Eurorack stuff back to back. Eurorack oscillators against the Moon 5U oscillator... I mean, the difference was staggering. SO much more low end and a fuller, bigger, more analogue rich sound. So that's why I went large format / 5U... Much, much bigger in the low end.

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Post by Vacancy Of Disco » Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:22 am

I love my Voyager, I had a micro moog before it and sold it because it seemed redundant to have it and the Voyager. for me the amount of control is what really makes me go nuts for it ( also the sound) but when you start getting into pot mapping and routing the xy pad and keyboard controls all over the place you can get some insane sounds

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Post by monads » Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:00 am

Sold my Voyager AE earlier this year. It is an inspiring instrument to program and the Editor Librarian is a must since it integrates so well. I basically sold mine to free up cash since it wasn't getting used much anymore. I found myself going to the modular or other gear.

I get the whole connecting with an instrument, and I don't know about others, but the keys on my Voyager seemed 'jumpy' or 'light'? After practicing/playing the piano, playing on the Voyager keys seemed anything but inspiring for me. I'd rather go program polyphonic chord sequences for the modular or create other sounds.

At times I miss it though, not for playing, but for the Moog sound!

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Post by SmartSexyTechno » Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:01 pm

how could you hate the fire/mahogany. the visual just sucks you in. :deadbanana:

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Post by Milkweg » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:31 pm

sold my voyager to start euro, never looked back. Really glad i did it.

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Post by konnekshen » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:28 pm

weird, a friend of mine has a Voyager (besides PPG, OBX, MKS80, EmulatorII and some more of that) and also never gets warm with it. But everytime i visit him, i play with the Voyager. Really like it, am not to sure if i would love Lienhard's "Slew Rate Mod", as i really like this mushy-while-at-the-same-time-modern sound.

My friend says, he never manages to get a liquid sound out of it, it always sounds harsh. mmhhh...

What i like are those marimba sounds, bells and those dark detroitish chords.

it got a sound of its own i think.

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Post by Pris » Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:35 am

Bought a Voyager 5 months ago. Sold pretty much Euro modules for it.
Working live (no keyboarder, experimental) is like a vacation compared to my modular live rig. Although there was 2 joysticks, PPs, etc.
The touchpad really makes it so easy and intuitive to use.
Stereo filter, 2 vcas, shaping of your modulation(vca) by a lot of parameters...., CV not to mention.

But you have to make sure that you have the latest version:

You can route Almost every parameter to the touchpad. Potmapping (up to four parameters on the pot of your desire, or on the modwheel, or or or...

that's a lot of cables on the modular.


I can't say I love it, but it is a really good synth, and it's cheaper and more compact than a big knob modular.

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Post by RyuX » Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:02 pm

Wow.. good trade.. a OP1 and a Sub Phatty for a Voyager..
Never used a Voyager, but had a OP1 and a Sub Phatty also.
I liked the Sub Phatty for Bassy Sounds, but other than that i let it go for other gear pretty soon...

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