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i think i hate my MOOG VOYAGER.
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Author i think i hate my MOOG VOYAGER.
Montgomery Word
i've been lamenting over this for MONTHS.
i've owned a moog prodigy for years, and always loved it. i'd probably never let it go...
so eventually i stumbled across a sub phatty. didn't even come close to the sound of the prodigy. i felt like the ipad rivaled it, honestly.
then all of a sudden, someone basically unloaded this mint voyager on my for an op1 and the sub phatty. really good trade.
but ever since, i've been trying to make this thing my friend, and ending up going with the microkorg, pocket piano, or prodigy instead. even the ipad makes me happier sometimes. effed up, right?


i feel like it lacks bass, has oscillators that are way too stable, and overall seems WEAK and sounds like a soft synth.

so my question to you wigglers is DO YOU LIKE YOUR MOOG VOYAGER?

very frustrating very frustrating very frustrating
stellvia
An unqualified love for my Voyager, though we may still be in the honeymoon phase as I've only had it for a few months. Still, I play the Voyager most days and love it!

To be fair, I've never had an older Moog, only a Little Phatty and Sub Phatty (and I liked both of them to be honest). I feel that it has reasonable bass, but I mainly use it for leads at the moment, my oscillators aren't that stable (just had it open for a tune up a few days ago), and definitely not weak sounding! I also run it through a pedal board effects setup and have a fuzz pedal and Moog Drive pedal to add even more girth and dirt to the sound nanners

On the other hand, it is a very particular type of sound, and I've known I've wanted one for years. I can see how people might not get along with it though and as always, musical instruments are a very objective thing.
Montgomery Word
i was a little harsh. i have enjoyed some of the sounds that other synths with just two oscillators and no noise generators could not muster.
it's the lack of low end, and even mids. this is a whiny post, i am aware. just feel like i've realized that i'm strictly NOT an analog dude, i'm a VINTAGE analog dude....
but i do enjoy routing the voyager through my sp404's effects.....
Montgomery Word
i had many of the same gripes about modular.
shit these days is so weak compared to older synths....
if you've ever owned a vintage (working) analog synth, you know exactly what i mean...
Montgomery Word
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojstT831BnA

the randomize function seems radical for the editor.

stellvia::do you use this?
stellvia
Haven't even looked at the editor to be honest. Happy enough doing everything through the front panel.

One of the biggest things for me is that the Voyager feels like a real instrument. As someone who's grown up learning music on acoustic pianos (and later clarinet and sax), I really appreciate the feel of a good instrument. While I really liked the sound of the Little & Sub Phatties, the Voyager is the first synth I've owned that feels like a real instrument.

Oh, and I've kept myself out of Vintage analog so far, for fear of the slippery slope it may lead down. Pretty sure it's going to happen though hihi
IAMPelican
Used to use it too, didnt like it neither...
BendingBus
Still need to sell mine, sitting in the corner gathering dust...

I found that it does not fit in the mix very well when used for multitrack recording. At first listen it sounds impressive, but once you start layering tracks -- the low mids are too mucky, the top end is not open and shimmery enough, too much circuitry in the way of the sound which makes things plastic sounding, and there is pitch weirdness.

...and there aren't any mods which can fix these problems. Too bad because it has so much potential, but if I were to go that route again I'd give the MacBeth Elements synth a try instead.
stellvia
I'll just put this here, it deserves to be on any Voyager discussion thread! Apologies if you've heard it before. Created by BTByrd and is one of the reasons I bought my Voyager.

amnesia
I thought the Voyager was OK, I little lacking in life though. I stuck with modular gear.
Christopher Winkels
I had a Voyager OS that I never quite gelled with. It was beautifully built but the sound never felt quite "there". It always seemed constricted and static and lacked the kind of suppleness that other Moog gear has. I don't normally like using woo terms to describe synths, but it this case I can't describe it otherwise.

I've been far more happy with the Sub Phatty. I'd imagine the new Sub 37 is as good or better.
seditionary
Montgomery Word wrote:
i had many of the same gripes about modular.
shit these days is so weak compared to older synths....
if you've ever owned a vintage (working) analog synth, you know exactly what i mean...


I felt this way about a lot of EuroRack stuff. I think the 5U Synthesizers.com and STG and Oakley stuff sounds pretty huge though. Earth booming low end.
seditionary
so after hearing a couple folks Eurorack systems and then hearing them against 5U systems at NoiseBug, the choice was pretty clear for me to go 5U (but also, to not trade vintage synths) wink
BendingBus
stellvia wrote:
Created by BTByrd and is one of the reasons I bought my Voyager.


No offense meant Stellvia, but yeah...that recording is an example of the "plasticy" and "mucky/muted" sound that I find so distasteful. seriously, i just don't get it
stellvia
No probs BendingBus! To each their own hihi I like the sound and the quality of the instrument and that's good enough for me! It's a very subjective thing, and never having really played any vintage synths I don't have anything to compare the Voyager to, though I can see where you're coming from. I'm usually using a bunch of pedals with my Voyager and it's mainly being played in a prog rock band so it suits me fine. I'm also primarily using the Voyager as a keyboard player and the feel of the instrument is a major part of me connecting with it, and this is something I find superior about the Voyager in comparison to other synths that I've owned.

Personally I don't find the Voyager to be that 'plasticky' or 'muted' sounding, but I'm primarily a composer so I'm more interested in how the instrument inspires me compositionally, which the Voyager certainly does, more so than the Little Phatty and Sub Phatty that I used to own.

One thing I will mention, I've been playing a lot with both the Voyager and my Boomstar SEM lately, and I think the Boomstar has a slightly 'rawer' sound than the Voyager. I'm quite enjoying the constrast between these two synths.
JohnLRice
seditionary wrote:
so after hearing a couple folks Eurorack systems and then hearing them against 5U systems at NoiseBug, the choice was pretty clear for me to go 5U (but also, to not trade vintage synths) wink
Cool, Noisebug rocks! Did you get to hear the Moon dual VCO and VCF+VCA etc? hyper screaming goo yo SlayerBadger!


And, I really like that Voyager track! love love love I wouldn't want to give up my 5U modular for a Voyager but, it wouldn't be the end of the world. 8_)
BendingBus
My favorite Moog recording of all time is Jean-Jacues Perrey Moog Acid.

...sounds like there might be some Voyager in there, but also lots of vintage Moog.
seditionary
JohnLRice wrote:
seditionary wrote:
so after hearing a couple folks Eurorack systems and then hearing them against 5U systems at NoiseBug, the choice was pretty clear for me to go 5U (but also, to not trade vintage synths) wink
Cool, Noisebug rocks! Did you get to hear the Moon dual VCO and VCF+VCA etc? hyper screaming goo yo SlayerBadger!


And, I really like that Voyager track! love love love I wouldn't want to give up my 5U modular for a Voyager but, it wouldn't be the end of the world. 8_)


Unfortunately I didn't as they were getting ready for NAMM -- it was a couple weeks before, so their 5U systems were pretty taken apart. But I did hear a Moon Oscillator and then some Eurorack stuff back to back. Eurorack oscillators against the Moon 5U oscillator... I mean, the difference was staggering. SO much more low end and a fuller, bigger, more analogue rich sound. So that's why I went large format / 5U... Much, much bigger in the low end.
Vacancy Of Disco
I love my Voyager, I had a micro moog before it and sold it because it seemed redundant to have it and the Voyager. for me the amount of control is what really makes me go nuts for it ( also the sound) but when you start getting into pot mapping and routing the xy pad and keyboard controls all over the place you can get some insane sounds
monads
Sold my Voyager AE earlier this year. It is an inspiring instrument to program and the Editor Librarian is a must since it integrates so well. I basically sold mine to free up cash since it wasn't getting used much anymore. I found myself going to the modular or other gear.

I get the whole connecting with an instrument, and I don't know about others, but the keys on my Voyager seemed 'jumpy' or 'light'? After practicing/playing the piano, playing on the Voyager keys seemed anything but inspiring for me. I'd rather go program polyphonic chord sequences for the modular or create other sounds.

At times I miss it though, not for playing, but for the Moog sound!
SmartSexyTechno
how could you hate the fire/mahogany. the visual just sucks you in. Dead Banana
Milkweg
sold my voyager to start euro, never looked back. Really glad i did it.
konnekshen
weird, a friend of mine has a Voyager (besides PPG, OBX, MKS80, EmulatorII and some more of that) and also never gets warm with it. But everytime i visit him, i play with the Voyager. Really like it, am not to sure if i would love Lienhard's "Slew Rate Mod", as i really like this mushy-while-at-the-same-time-modern sound.

My friend says, he never manages to get a liquid sound out of it, it always sounds harsh. mmhhh...

What i like are those marimba sounds, bells and those dark detroitish chords.

it got a sound of its own i think.
Pris
Bought a Voyager 5 months ago. Sold pretty much Euro modules for it.
Working live (no keyboarder, experimental) is like a vacation compared to my modular live rig. Although there was 2 joysticks, PPs, etc.
The touchpad really makes it so easy and intuitive to use.
Stereo filter, 2 vcas, shaping of your modulation(vca) by a lot of parameters...., CV not to mention.

But you have to make sure that you have the latest version:

You can route Almost every parameter to the touchpad. Potmapping (up to four parameters on the pot of your desire, or on the modwheel, or or or...

that's a lot of cables on the modular.


I can't say I love it, but it is a really good synth, and it's cheaper and more compact than a big knob modular.
RyuX
Wow.. good trade.. a OP1 and a Sub Phatty for a Voyager..
Never used a Voyager, but had a OP1 and a Sub Phatty also.
I liked the Sub Phatty for Bassy Sounds, but other than that i let it go for other gear pretty soon...
seeasound
I coax all sort of tones, dark and vintagy, smooth modern, old synthi style fm, radiophonic static, distorted drones, the harshest noise, totally wonky broken out of tune melodies, buchla bongos & all manner of wild percussive resonant goodness. AND it can do all this in stereo!

Lack of bass lol

For me its the synth for life.
Minimoog56
I have both a Voyager Performer - early production and a 78 Mini D plus a very large MU system. The Voyager is the hub of all that as Midi CV Convertor, Keyboard and for accent colors. I have a cheap Alesis stereo tube preamp that I run the Voyager though that gives it a lot more girth. Output levels on mine stink. Played more recent ones and they are louder and fuller sounding. Eventually I want to get an API quad 501 setup in 500 format for use with the Voyager and the Buchla.

Overall the Voyager works for me. I have a ton of presets I like to begin with that i then tweak. Some people hate the presets but there are over a thousand of them, organized into manageable banks and by themes, and if you notate well they are easy to Navigate towards and when tweaked make a great custom sound. I bought mine used for $2100 which is not atypical for the Performer series. Great Swiss Army Knife synth. Perfect for band gigs too. World's most expensive Midi to CV convertor. Wish the keyboard was poly out though.
abelovesfun
If you are looking for bass, I highly recommend the moog minitaur. I can't get it to sound bad. It has a very different oscillator structure from the voyager (it can't play above e4) and sounds unique to me. I also have a large 5U system and minibrute and just built an ambika, but I always end up going to the minitaur for bass - very quick and easy to dial in exactly what I am looking for.
david_rothbaum
I had a voyager as well, it is a very nice instrument but for me it lacked character. I have a number of things I regret selling, the Voyager is not one of them.
aen
Christopher Winkels wrote:

I've been far more happy with the Sub Phatty. I'd imagine the new Sub 37 is as good or better.


I've had the Voyager OS, LIttle, and sub phatty's, and now the sub 37.
I Flipped the OS and the Little. Sure the voyager has "more powers" than my current selection, but I find the newer stuff much easier to work with and, well, presets, you know? Pretty handy on stage. I'll leave the danger in my Eurorack rig.
cycad73
stellvia wrote:
I'll just put this here, it deserves to be on any Voyager discussion thread! Apologies if you've heard it before. Created by BTByrd and is one of the reasons I bought my Voyager.



Fair demo, shows the tremendous modulation possibilities + programmability (love) combined with the brittle and plasticky basic tone (hate)... For me tone wins out, so I'm in the "hate" category... I don't think any modern synth, any reissue really nails it today so it's unfair to put the blame all on Moog.

For me... I basically "replaced" its role in my setup with an Arp 2600 (standard grey version) a few years ago and things took a huge step forward, never looked back... still never tried a vintage Mini
sloth713
I love my Voyager, it is probably the most versatile semi-modular/fixed architecture synth I own, sound wise. The nice thing about the voyager other than is that it has a huge palette, is that it is hard to make it sound bad. Also it is a great control center for all you CV gear (eurorack and 5U included). The voyager doesn't sound quite as "raw" and "alive" as some vintage analog synths but it is at least 90% of the way there and has far more sonic options than most.

I have plenty of other synths when I want a specific sound, but if I need the Moog sound or just a versatile analog voice the voyager is what I reach to without hesitation. Honestly the voyager is my most used synth (even more used than my super cherished polygamist). Finally it does need a little taming to sit well in a mix but I think any truly great instrument should need some taming to play well with others (solo it should wail unabashedly)
leeski
Can you take an output > back in to the voyager seriously, i just don't get it
sloth713
leeski wrote:
Can you take an output > back in to the voyager seriously, i just don't get it


Are you talking about the old minimoog overload trick? Becuase you totally can. The easiest way is to patch the headphones out into the external input for the mixer.
thispoison
I saw Rick Wakeman recently talk about the fact that the original Minimoog suddenly allowed keyboard players to play lead and rise above the rest of the band. As he said, up to then it was just trying to punch through with a Hammond or a Rhodes. The Minimoog was then a big f.u. To the guitarist.

In turn, I guess the Voyager is what it is. Maybe the new(er) Minimoog or maybe just the new Hammond or Rhodes. Or not.

I guess whether it fits into your mix really depends on what you do with it and, well, your mix.

My Voyager still makes me smile. Maybe that's my mix. Rockin' Banana!
vingtdieux
Great synth but not for everyone. Too clean for me too.
mpaulc
This is really interesting to read. It took me ages to fall in love w. my Sub 37. Years. It strangely wasn't until I got a MiniMoog that I loved the Sub. Suddenly, all of its modulation capabilities made sense. All of this said, there is a still a part of me that regrets selling the MicroMoog to afford the MiniMoog. There was something so instant, so inspiring about the micro.

As someone who constantly sells synths to afford other synths, I know too well the regret! I also know too well how I can allow my past enjoyment of an instrument to balloon in my mind. And likewise, my disappointment w. a current instrument. So much depends on the attitude we bring to these suckers.
Cybananna
I didn’t read each post in detail so if it was mentioned already, sorry. But have those of you who don’t like your voyager tried the dummy in the audio jack trick. Takes out the second filter and I like it much better that way. I put mine in years ago and never take it out. Definitely changes the character.

legionhwp
Since this is in a synth noise category I’ll mention I’ve used my voyager RME to great effect live for dark ambient and noise. It literally rattles the rafters when put into a decent PA so I’m not sure where the “no low end/bass” thoughts are coming from. For me it’s versatility is also in those violent screeching filters. I used to bring an original MS20 out for that but even thought the architecture is totally different I have found the dual clay aged filters give me the same gusto, maybe even even more.

FWIW I had the full keyboard (the sweet black/ blue speckled version) but sold it and picked up a RME for portability. I never gelled with the tough pad and honestly like the layout of the RME more. Sound is identical to my ears.

The voyager is not a minimoog although there is a LOT of overlap. Remember this was made long before the current lineup with there various distortion and other circuits added. But , to me, it can sound just as ballsy and violent as any vintage I have played with, especially for noise musik. Low pulsing growls, drones with multiple waveform sweeps VCOs, etc. we're not worthy

I honestly haven’t used the various in and outs at all. I just set it up. Plug in some midi controller or sequencer and go. I also frequently just flip the switch to catch a note in hold mode and go to town with the voyager solo into a delay. The only complaints I ever got from people listening were about the volume but hey, it’s a noise show nanners

To each their own and I can see where some people might say it’s “sterile”compared to some vintage 1970s piece. I’m not one of them mind you Guinness ftw!
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