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suggestions for a noise rack(euro)?
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Author suggestions for a noise rack(euro)?
AR126
my budget will be $500-$700(maybe more)
i've been experimenting w/noise generators latley(pink and brown,
mostly)and getting some pretty cool results.
however,it's all been online generators or plugins and i'd like
to have a hardware set-up.
i was thinking a gozinta and a few noise modules...
just an idea...
thanks
thrasumachos
hexinveter's vcNOIZ is just about as noisy as they come
AR126
thanks,
will check it out directly
thrasumachos
check out his jupiter storm and galilean moon modules too, really excellent noise (and modulation, in the case of the moons) sources
AR126
o.k,tentatively,i was was considering gozinta>vcnoiz>jupiter storm...
what's a good rack,and do you just plug the modules into the power
source?
thanks
thrasumachos
Those are all good starting modules, especially for a noise set up. I would honestly suggest the doepfer a-119 over the gozinta, because you can use it for really gnarly feedback. maybe you can do this with a gozinta, but I haven't played with one so I don't know for sure. yeah you should have some sort of cable or distro board to plug the modules into. For something small starting out I know a lot of people like to go with tip top's happy ending kit.
AR126
Hi T,thanks for the feedback.
i was thinking of the gozinta because of a demo i saw w/it and the harvestman piston honda.
an a-119 sounds like a good suggestion though...
what i'm really after is something heavy and crushing,so i could
be completely off-base all around.
as far as a case goes,the happy ending was,in fact, what i was considering.
thanks much A
thrasumachos
the gozinta is something you would want if you wanted to bring in an external sound source like an ipod or laptop into your modular stuff, but it's really just an amplifier to driving it hard will distort. the bonus of the a-119 is that it gives you two outputs on a single input, great for creating a feedback loop. If you're after really crazy distortion (and the piston honda is really crazy on its own) look into something like the ryo optodist (really pretty easy to DIY, even as a first project) or the malgorithm, plague bearer, doepfer a-189 bit modifier, or all of the above!
Orbless
Look into the trogotronic stuff as well, I believe you can get them as diy kits as well to save a few bucks.

I set this up a bit ago as an ideal of a gnarly sort of noise machine.

http://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/100020
AR126
Thanks again guys!
looks i have to re-research the research(yikes).
i've heard of all these modules,i'm just not familiar w/them.
duh...
long day,so the quest must resume tomorrow...
best A
diasporos
Can't speak highly enough of Trogotronic stuff. I have most of their standalones as a noise setup (though really it's a 'modular') and the thing I can say about their playability and sound is not hyperbolic: they are intuitive, sound really fat, squelchy, inspiring, finger-friendly (button arrays!!) and there's something 'high end' about the quality of the build that I respect. Takes a long time to tame them but it is possible. You can actually make phrases and melodies as well as noise cycles and patterns.
AR126
Whoa,that's really cool!
i mean,i've been checking out warthog demos(like,half an hour ago)
and i thought"this just might do the trick"
i didn't notice any other standalones though(?)
i've been getting much appreciated advice from other MWs
(you guys rule)but for the time being,i think a standalone
would easier on my sanity(lightweight,i know...)
thanks again
(BTW,your signature looks awfully familiar...)
czern
I have finally been making the noise I set out to make when I started building my modular. The main patch that really set it off was when I sent everything thru a self-resonating filter. The A-106-1 to be exact. It burns and crackles in ways I have never heard. I think I got it for like $80 on the BST boards. It's huge but I will probably have trouble separating with it.

Now I am hoping to add some more filters that have their own self-resonant characteristics. This is probably similar to what everyone says about the Plaque Bearer although I haven't heard one yet.
beyourdog
AR126 wrote:
my budget will be $500-$700(maybe more)
i've been experimenting w/noise generators latley(pink and brown,
mostly)and getting some pretty cool results.
however,it's all been online generators or plugins and i'd like
to have a hardware set-up.
i was thinking a gozinta and a few noise modules...
just an idea...
thanks


Get yourself an FM/AM radio fro 10 bucks lol
AR126
Get yourself an FM/AM radio fro 10 bucks lol

tried that,thanks(??)
jshell
Agree on the Trogotronic. I got the new 679 standalone mini synth and it's awesome. Difficult, but awesome. It has the buttons like the Warthog, but also has a tube and CV inputs. I've been having fun pairing it with a Repeater Electronics horn dog.

Dammit, I swear I started getting into Eurorack to stop getting all of these different size boxes and their power adapters.

A new module just came out today: the Pittsburgh Modular 'Collapse'. It's a decimator, but analog. Could be good for really fattening up a sound.

http://pittsburghmodular.com/collapse

And there's also the 4MS eurorack versions of the Atoner and Noise Swash (the Noise Swash being one of my favorite noise pedals; I'm not sure how the eurorack version differs).

I also like the Pittsburgh Cell 48 cases. They're small, and can be good for making smaller standalone noise synths or effects in something that's just a little bit bigger than a MoogerFooger. For me, they fit in my pelican cases alongside all my noise pedals and such, so they fit in a hybrid noise environment. But if you're going to keep things in studio, the Happy Ending Kit is the more versatile beginner option.
AR126
cool,
should be getting the trog 479 on monday.
i'm stoked about the cv inputs and tube...
i have 4 Pittsburgh cell 48 cases(all modules Pittsburgh as well)
anyway,i'm thinking the 479 should be pretty crazy w/the PM system2.
an analog decimator?
gnarly....
DiscarnateEntity
This noise 'oscillator' is really fucking nasty:

http://www.modulargrid.net/e/m-a-s-f-mo-s-model-osc03

Buy it here:

http://masf.figity.com/modular/osc03
AR126
that module is well and truly badass.
i noticed there was standalone version.
no idea if that one's available...
jshell
Saw the MASF Osc03 standalone here:

http://www.tonefactor.com/masf-foot-pedals-s/1877.htm

Haven't found their Eurorack stuff in American stores yet... But I've just started checking. I'd love to have that thing.
AR126
Thanks!
i believe i was on the tonefactor page last,and saw the Osc03
standalone last night...
neverthless,the heads -up is still much appreciated.
gonya
Not really sure what kind of noise you are going for...
but Dwarfcraft just made two modules:
http://www.dwarfcraft.com/synthesizers.html
AR126
thanks for the tip!
any info is appreciated...
@the moment,i got my eye on the MASF osc03.
acidicfeces
I just got the circuit abbey impulse drive and I love it.
It might not be too obvious as a noise companion from the few video demos there are.
It has three "exhaust" outputs that are noisier than their respective comparator outputs.

If you can find a trogotronic m666, grab it!
I'm actually considering a second one.
The m666 needs modulation to really get nasty, though. (up to 9 CV inputs)

I suggest jupiter storm, too.
All its outputs make it a great control center; it's also great as an audio source.

As for utility, multiples are probably important for noise.
AR126
thanks,
i tried posting a reply but it disappeared...
thanks for the info!
acidicfeces
Here's a video I did as influenced by this thread.
I think it shows how good jupiter storm is for control, and how impulse drive is with modulation.
I realized after uploading it that the sound wasn't even from the grid outs of impulse drive, rather, it was just from the monitor out.
The grids of impulse drive were just influencing the modulation of jupiter storm in a dense feedback loop.
AR126
very nice!
i keep meaning to save up for some lzx modules,but this noise stuff
is addictive...
i may(or not) have mentioned i picked up a trog 679,but i may well
start pricing some circuit abbey gear...
(cool avatar, btw)
acidicfeces
How's the noise rack going?
gonya
I am in the process of making a smaller (44hp) noise box myself...



some other recommended modules-
Doepfer A-124 Wasp, Incredible filter for noise/weird/screeching sounds. I love this thing! You can find them for cheap on the bst forum.
Dwarfcraft HAX/TGD- There have been some suuper cheap ones on the bst forum as well... Super insane.
Doepfer A-118, basic noise/random.
Doepfer A-151, Not a noise module by any means, but a great switch utility. Dirty cheap as well.
AR126
i got sidetracked by Max/Msp(woe is me...)
that being said,i have noticed that an analog rush is very often
good for what ails you...
@the moment what i have in front(sort of)of me is:
trog 679,noise swash cv tweaker,pittsburgh system 2,masf osc03,
digitech(i know)death metal and grunge,and an eventide pitch factor.
i was going to get ableton live9 suite as it's on sale,and i would like
have Max inside a daw,but who knows...
thanks for asking(seriously)
HH A.
ablearcher
I love the noise swash. Jupiter storm is pretty useful. For my brand of noise I find any sort of heavy audio rate fm to be most of what I'm looking for. Pittsburg filter self oscillating and modulated by a waveforms is my current favorite. Also something to take external signals and generate envelopes and gates is essential, I use a diy E.A.S. E.S.P., which also does pitch to cv. Very useful to make rhythmic laser sounds or whatever. Make sure you have lots of envelopes, and mixers. Cycling envelopes that double as lfos like maths, or peg, are especially nice.
building
haven't visited in awhile, so i'm stoked to see this thread.
AR126
i always check to see what the noise crew has to say.
cool...
MB II
Flight of harmonys imp gets pretty far out.
EarlJemmings


Just put this together for entertainment while I travel
So far it's been really awesome.

I can not recommend a matrix mixer enough for noise. Just brilliant.
And the Razmasynth Unknown Pleasures is pretty awesome too, based off the Crackle Box I believe. And cheap as chips for the DIY kit (although it is an odd build, basically surface mount with through hole components)

Lots of great noise options in Eurolund
AR126
that is one seriously sweet looking case.
if you don't mind humoring a n00b,is the harvestman the aforementioned
matrix mixer?
as a longtime joy division fan,i would get the UP just for the name...
(i believe that's the module on the right?)
the dark interpreter's on my wish list as well(not a module,but Martin's
stuff is great)
happy new year all.
AR126
oh yes,one more thing...
i posted on dec 23,and when i looked at it ,it kinda
looked like i was being snarky.
please know that that was in no way the case.
"HH"meant "happy holidays,and "A"is an initial for my
username.
but it looks like i'm saying "HHA"
(like LOL,or something...)
EarlJemmings
AR126 wrote:
that is one seriously sweet looking case.
if you don't mind humoring a n00b,is the harvestman the aforementioned
matrix mixer?
as a longtime joy division fan,i would get the UP just for the name...
(i believe that's the module on the right?)
the dark interpreter's on my wish list as well(not a module,but Martin's
stuff is great)
happy new year all.


Yup, I got the harvestman one because it normalises to the Stilton adapter for easy feedback. But a better priced one is made by Doepfer, and u think someone else makes one as well. The switch for bipolar knobs is super handy.

The unknown pleasures is the one on the right, yeah. And I would love the dark interpreter, thing looks awesome.
AR126
what to do,what to do...
of the the three versions of the DI,the deluxe model(mater something),
Martin suggests,can be stuck in your body(!?!?)
ergo,it's battery powered.
acidicfeces
AR126 wrote:
@the moment what i have in front(sort of)of me is:
...
digitech(i know)death metal and grunge

hah. whatever can get you some noisy shit.
I have those same two pedals (maybe one's a DOD), and for a while, they were my only pedals.

I recently got 4ms PEG and Steady State Fate Propagate; both at audio rate produce some crazy sounds.
I also got Hexinverter vcNOIZ, which is nice since it's like an independent channel of jupiter storm.

Anyone else like the Doepfer a-188-1 BBD delay (4096 stages) for noise?
This is the first delay module I've got with external feedback processing, which I love.

Aside from eurorack, I've been loving my trogotronic m77 pedal.
instant trogofication
voidshell
I also put my vote in for the 4ms Noise Swash and Atoner. The Noise Swash is one of my favorite modules, I just added the Atoner yesterday and have had fun with it during my limited patching session yesterday.
AR126
i've had my eye on the m77 for awhile now,but it seems they're out
of stock.
the dual vca looks pretty cool...
EarlJemmings
I just got the Trogotronic m177- the single vca.
Sounds quite nice, but does sort of band pass the audio. It's good for super saturating something softer, but it mellows out highly harmonic sound. But it sounds great in a feedback path, that's for sure. Really has it's own character in that context.

But the m277 has some clever stereo workings which look very fun, I think it would work quite nicely
Jamesf1
Check out Harvestman modules. A lot of it seems geared towards noise.
turin horsey
definitely recommend the benjolin, can create beastly sounds (or not) and go wonderfully arrhythmic if that's something you'd also like to incorporate
101010oxo
turin horsey wrote:
definitely recommend the benjolin, can create beastly sounds (or not) and go wonderfully arrhythmic if that's something you'd also like to incorporate

I agree!

It pairs really well with an Erbe-Verb or other reverb...
Nevada
AR126 wrote:
Thanks!
i believe i was on the tonefactor page last,and saw the Osc03
standalone last night...
neverthless,the heads -up is still much appreciated.


You can also use the eurorack version as standalone. It has a 9v power input on the board.
SH Kingston
A138d crossfader / effect insert module, so you can hook up a chain of 3
DOD Death Metals.

Well, okay. Maybe not three.

The A119 Ext. Input/Envelope is also great for triggering stuff in cut up harsh noise.
MG374
Another killer NOISE unit is Beast-Tek's "Hyper Fist P-239"

Beast-Tek HYPER FIST P-239
snakejaw
+1 for Trogotronic. My m666 and m679 output nothing but sonic mayhem. Agreed, they do shine with CV input. The Trogo manuals are pretty cryptic. I wish WT would rewrite them to be a little less so. I keep meaning to run these modules though an oscilloscope and tweak them while watching how the waveform changes.
MG374
no utilities at all?

EarlJemmings wrote:


Just put this together for entertainment while I travel
So far it's been really awesome.

I can not recommend a matrix mixer enough for noise. Just brilliant.
And the Razmasynth Unknown Pleasures is pretty awesome too, based off the Crackle Box I believe. And cheap as chips for the DIY kit (although it is an odd build, basically surface mount with through hole components)

Lots of great noise options in Eurolund
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