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Japanese Girl pedal..?!
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Author Japanese Girl pedal..?!
dkcg
I would think Metasonix would be all over this pedal.



Could maybe cover some Polysics songs with it. Rockin' Banana!
Hainbach
That's the Pocket Miku in a pedal? Funky!
Joe.
I'm sure there's a completely legit reason for spending hours to Code that...

ndkent
First time seeing it but "Miku" refers to Hatsune Miku, the virtual pop star who spawned a million home made online videos and full scale concerts.

Strange parentage. Hatsune Miku is Windows software and a character by a sample library maker Crypton run on Yamaha's Vocaloid software engine.

Gakken, the magazine publisher who made that SX-150 analog mini stylus synth a few years ago (that surely gave Korg the idea to make their Monotron) made a new product, the NSX-39 "Pocket Miku". It's a stylus + USB operated mini synth containing a limited version of Miku on an IC chip. So I'm 99% sure this has to be another use of that chip. I bet the chip will show up in toys before long. That makes me wonder if Yamaha's name is on the chip. I've not actually seen a photo inside the Gakken Pocket Miku. Because it would be weird to see a Korg pedal run on a Yamaha chip... maybe the chip is branded Crypton?

The Gakken Pocket Miku lets you back the singing with a GeneralMIDI type synth accessed by USB MIDI. Since there is a synth track in the video, I'd guess the synth is also coming out of the pedal... though I don't see a USB cable in the video... so I'm just speculating here.

Cool idea, but presumably this being the first generation speech chip, the words are very limited in terms of count. The Pocket Miku instrument has USB so you can do a link and upload phrases. This Korg doesn't show a USB in the video though I see "phrase 1" "phrase 2" etc which smell like user banks. So I guess they are just not showing a mini USB connector in the video. My guess is maybe next year or later they will do a next gen chip that has less limitations. I guess as a pedal now it's either going to inspire creativity through limitations or be an annoying novelty the next time you hear it not creatively.

Ginko
LoFi Junglist wrote:
I'm sure there's a completely legit reason for spending hours to Code that...



hihi hihi hihi
Ginko
ndkent wrote:
First time seeing it but "Miku" refers to Hatsune Miku, the virtual pop star who spawned a million home made online videos and full scale concerts.

Strange parentage. Hatsune Miku is Windows software and a character by a sample library maker Crypton run on Yamaha's Vocaloid software engine.

Gakken, the magazine publisher who made that SX-150 analog mini stylus synth a few years ago (that surely gave Korg the idea to make their Monotron) made a new product, the NSX-39 "Pocket Miku". It's a stylus + USB operated mini synth containing a limited version of Miku on an IC chip. So I'm 99% sure this has to be another use of that chip. I bet the chip will show up in toys before long. That makes me wonder if Yamaha's name is on the chip. I've not actually seen a photo inside the Gakken Pocket Miku. Because it would be weird to see a Korg pedal run on a Yamaha chip... maybe the chip is branded Crypton?

Cool idea, but presumably this being the first generation speech chip, the words are very limited in terms of count. The Pocket Miku instrument has USB so you can do a link and upload phrases. This Korg doesn't show a USB in the video though I see "phrase 1" "phrase 2" etc which smell like user banks. So I guess they are just not showing a mini USB connector in the video. My guess is maybe next year or later they will do a next gen chip that has less limitations. I guess as a pedal now it's either going to inspire creativity through limitations or be an annoying novelty the next time you hear it not creatively.



If there is such a chip, I would love to have one to hack!!
PrimateSynthesis
Where do I stick my penis? hmmm.....
ndkent
The Gakken NSX-39 "Pocket Miku" is widely available and probably cheaper and quicker to get than the yet to be released korg stomp to get one to hack (or signing some dev deal with Crypton and perhaps also Yamaha)-

the Gakken unit is basically under $50 in japan though you'll generally pay about $20 to either import it or ship it (=$70)

http://www.amazon.com/KEYBOAD-POCKET-OTONANO-KAGAKU-MAGAZINE/dp/405750 4656/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1409595989&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=NSX -39+%22Pocket+Miku%22

Now I don't know 100% that Korg is using the chip in the Gakken UTAU NSX-39 thing, but I would think that if someone is going to fab an IC chip it's going to be in other stuff (the korg pedal, I'd bet some interactive toys are in the works). Korg is surely doing curcuitry to support the chip like some kind of pitch tracker and trigger and surely other details fwiw.
moremagic
i want to get one of these to play with it in a feedback loop
i imagine itd be a real trip
IR
ndkent wrote:
Because it would be weird to see a Korg pedal run on a Yamaha chip...

The Korg 707 had Yamaha FM chips, both companies had common ownership, I don't know how it is now.
ndkent
IR wrote:
ndkent wrote:
Because it would be weird to see a Korg pedal run on a Yamaha chip...

The Korg 707 had Yamaha FM chips, both companies had common ownership, I don't know how it is now.


My understanding was in the 80s Yamaha owned a substantial percent of Korg so they got their 4 op FM technology to work with (though not their flagship tech) - anyway I'm too lazy to pry open the Gakken unit but inside there is supposedly a combined GeneralMIDI and simplified MIKU realtime synth on a chip. You get the general MIDI so the singing could be in sync with sequenced music or just acapella.

Anyway as to feedback, at best it might be glitchy. This unit surely isn't waveshaping the guitar sound and turning it into a voice, what it looks like it's doing is pitch and gate tracking and replacing it with the next phoneme in a loaded sequence. So like you'd have the phonetics to a song and then if you play it, each phonem will come out in sequence as you play the melody live... hopefully - unless you mess up
davydka
This was an excellently written response. Thank you.

ndkent wrote:
First time seeing it but "Miku" refers to Hatsune Miku, the
virtual pop star who spawned a million home made online videos and full scale concerts.

Strange parentage. Hatsune Miku is Windows software and a character by a sample library maker Crypton run on Yamaha's Vocaloid software engine.

Gakken, the magazine publisher who made that SX-150 analog mini stylus synth a few years ago (that surely gave Korg the idea to make their Monotron) made a new product, the NSX-39 "Pocket Miku". It's a stylus + USB operated mini synth containing a limited version of Miku on an IC chip. So I'm 99% sure this has to be another use of that chip. I bet the chip will show up in toys before long. That makes me wonder if Yamaha's name is on the chip. I've not actually seen a photo inside the Gakken Pocket Miku. Because it would be weird to see a Korg pedal run on a Yamaha chip... maybe the chip is branded Crypton?

The Gakken Pocket Miku lets you back the singing with a GeneralMIDI type synth accessed by USB MIDI. Since there is a synth track in the video, I'd guess the synth is also coming out of the pedal... though I don't see a USB cable in the video... so I'm just speculating here.

Cool idea, but presumably this being the first generation speech chip, the words are very limited in terms of count. The Pocket Miku instrument has USB so you can do a link and upload phrases. This Korg doesn't show a USB in the video though I see "phrase 1" "phrase 2" etc which smell like user banks. So I guess they are just not showing a mini USB connector in the video. My guess is maybe next year or later they will do a next gen chip that has less limitations. I guess as a pedal now it's either going to inspire creativity through limitations or be an annoying novelty the next time you hear it not creatively.

Acsii
ndkent wrote:
First time seeing it but "Miku" refers to Hatsune Miku, the virtual pop star who spawned a million home made online videos and full scale concerts.

Strange parentage. Hatsune Miku is Windows software and a character by a sample library maker Crypton run on Yamaha's Vocaloid software engine.

Gakken, the magazine publisher who made that SX-150 analog mini stylus synth a few years ago (that surely gave Korg the idea to make their Monotron) made a new product, the NSX-39 "Pocket Miku". It's a stylus + USB operated mini synth containing a limited version of Miku on an IC chip. So I'm 99% sure this has to be another use of that chip. I bet the chip will show up in toys before long. That makes me wonder if Yamaha's name is on the chip. I've not actually seen a photo inside the Gakken Pocket Miku. Because it would be weird to see a Korg pedal run on a Yamaha chip... maybe the chip is branded Crypton?

The Gakken Pocket Miku lets you back the singing with a GeneralMIDI type synth accessed by USB MIDI. Since there is a synth track in the video, I'd guess the synth is also coming out of the pedal... though I don't see a USB cable in the video... so I'm just speculating here.

Cool idea, but presumably this being the first generation speech chip, the words are very limited in terms of count. The Pocket Miku instrument has USB so you can do a link and upload phrases. This Korg doesn't show a USB in the video though I see "phrase 1" "phrase 2" etc which smell like user banks. So I guess they are just not showing a mini USB connector in the video. My guess is maybe next year or later they will do a next gen chip that has less limitations. I guess as a pedal now it's either going to inspire creativity through limitations or be an annoying novelty the next time you hear it not creatively.


That video is mint
alternating.bit
Since the pedal is rather limited (and the fact that you have to do some deep translation code via an iPhone app to load your own phrases), how different would it be if you just sampled the few tones somehow into a Phonogene vs buying the pedal?
ndkent
alternating.bit wrote:
Since the pedal is rather limited (and the fact that you have to do some deep translation code via an iPhone app to load your own phrases), how different would it be if you just sampled the few tones somehow into a Phonogene vs buying the pedal?


Do we actually have more specs on the Korg pedal, I've not been following? Anyway there will be when it hits the streets in Japan.

The thing in the video with the eurorack is the Gakken UTAU NSX-39 Pocket Miku that I'm pretty sure has the same engine - I just grabbed that because it had eurorack in it. There must be hundreds of videos on the Pocket Miku mini synth that came out earlier this year.

So as to the question, that video doesn't have anything complicated with phonetics I'd say the real thing has (I think) a 64 step phonem sequence you are pitching in realtime. That's really not anything a commercial sampler seems to do unless you program something elaborate in Reaktor or Max or something.

Here is a good example of what I mean by sequencing phonems that would be not something easily done with a sampler, and is a cover of a favorite song by Denki Groove.

alternating.bit
I'm glad you posted this. Now I really know I have no use for one razz
dkcg
Just ordered one from Amazon. I think it will have a nice conversation with the Flame Midi Talking Synth. Maybe I'll try to get some weird feedback loop going so it's talking to itself in the past (delay wet out and maybe even a Max patch to take the miku input and make random midi for the Flame). hmmm.....
smetak
ndkent wrote:
alternating.bit wrote:
Since the pedal is rather limited (and the fact that you have to do some deep translation code via an iPhone app to load your own phrases), how different would it be if you just sampled the few tones somehow into a Phonogene vs buying the pedal?


Do we actually have more specs on the Korg pedal, I've not been following? Anyway there will be when it hits the streets in Japan.

The thing in the video with the eurorack is the Gakken UTAU NSX-39 Pocket Miku that I'm pretty sure has the same engine - I just grabbed that because it had eurorack in it. There must be hundreds of videos on the Pocket Miku mini synth that came out earlier this year.

So as to the question, that video doesn't have anything complicated with phonetics I'd say the real thing has (I think) a 64 step phonem sequence you are pitching in realtime. That's really not anything a commercial sampler seems to do unless you program something elaborate in Reaktor or Max or something.

Here is a good example of what I mean by sequencing phonems that would be not something easily done with a sampler, and is a cover of a favorite song by Denki Groove.



After watching the video, I'm in the urge to break something.....
GilgaFrank
The Andertons guys' review of the miku pedal is laugh out loud funny.

nbirnel
PrimateSynthesis wrote:
Where do I stick my penis? hmmm.....


In the quarter inch jack? Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana
Joe.
I wonder if this bloke in my city has one?

weinglas
Here I am using the Miku pedal live (from about 0:30):


Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li-P_aa68UE
andrewF
I've had one of these for a while, kinda fun
These are just some simple patches:
dadek
really lovely use there weinglas. Guinness ftw!

there's such a startling range of 'language' in there, for such a small amount of controls. well demonstrated by your video andrewF. thanks.

i think i'll go and spend some time with mine today, now, run guitar or synth? help
nepsis
This is ridiculous and beautiful.
funeralcake
Miley Cyrus Miley Cyrus
It's really hard to resist watching videos of this pedal since I still haven't got one to mess around with myself. It's like the holy grail of stupid novelty garbage for me. T_T
weinglas
dadek wrote:
really lovely use there weinglas. Guinness ftw!

there's such a startling range of 'language' in there, for such a small amount of controls. well demonstrated by your video andrewF. thanks.

i think i'll go and spend some time with mine today, now, run guitar or synth? help


Thanks mate! And I would go with guitar Rockin' Banana!

BTW: Miku cannot sing "weinglas" seriously, i just don't get it
southphillysynths
Oh man I have never seen this! I would love to bust one out at a show and watch people's reactions...
D Beau
Fished a Miku Stomp out of my "things I probably shouldn't have bought" corner and ran an e350 through it. The z output is on fm duty (lightly at first), and I'm pretty much throwing the kitchen sink at the modulation, albeit attenuated to begin with. The Miku makes a heroic effort to keep up with the Synth Tech, even as i loosen the reigns on the modulation and let things get crazy.

Further torture courtesy of Rings, Clouds, DLD, Kinks, and Echophon. The scary sounds near the end are the stereo outputs from Clouds (heavily reverbed at this point) put through the MIN on Kinks, and then into another reverb.

RF Nomad is the only other sound source, adding a bit of texture and to cover up the noise which I was to lazy to deal with; this was one of those three in the morning type of dealies.

[s]https://soundcloud.com/user-250344944/miku-stop[/s]
MindMachine
^ Besides loving the title, ... it is a great set of progressions! The last two minutes sound like live bootleg Tangerine Dream from 1975 (which is good)!

As far as 3 in the morning dealies... I'm usually like this beer! = zombie, so this is rocking.

Very creative use of the very unique pedal.
D Beau
More Miku torture. This time I fed her raw AM talk radio (with shitty reception), and sent the resulting yelps and moans through the formant mode in Rings. The results were... kind of hideous, actually. Nevertheless, I built a quick little jam up around this whole mess. FF to 2:40 if you just want to hear the Miku action in isolation. I tacked on a little atmospheric dealie from the same session at the end (the signal flow rearranged to radio>Rings>clouds>Miku>DLD).

The lead is Just Friends into Ripples (with overdrive and chorus).

[s]https://soundcloud.com/user-250344944/combine[/s]

MindMachine wrote:
^ Besides loving the title, ... it is a great set of progressions! The last two minutes sound like live bootleg Tangerine Dream from 1975 (which is good)!

As far as 3 in the morning dealies... I'm usually like this beer! = zombie, so this is rocking.

Very creative use of the very unique pedal.

Thanks man! I appreciate you taking the time to listen and post such thoughtful feedback.
Cat-A-Tonic
weinglas wrote:
BTW: Miku cannot sing "weinglas" seriously, i just don't get it


Did you try
wa-i-n-gu-ra-su
?
kcd06
I got one yesterday. Been using--so far at least--a minilog to control it, and been messing around with the pedal by itself, and in conjunction with some other toys. The boss harmonist pedal does some really interesting things to the output of the Miku. Just wish it didnt have quite so much latency.
Infinity_McRib
I use this with the guitar and it's so fun but it CANNOT TRACK. A little compression in front of it helps, but anything remotely fast, any bends, etc and it'll glitch out immediately. Plus the latency issue mentioned above. Which can be part of the fun! You can make really great whacky soundscapes with it (esp. paired with other effects, loopers with reverse functions, etc) but I think it's pretty useless for lead/melodic stuff honestly.
kcd06
Quote:
it CANNOT TRACK


The Miku box does not have a very great range, and gets unhappy if made to perform outside that. It also really likes notes/CV with a strong attack being fed to it. As I said, im feeding mine a sawtooth wave from a synth, and it responds faster than my own voice will, though the non-verbal sounds have a lower response time than do the pre-programmed random words or phrases. Introducing/imposing expression with a guitar would be problematic without some extra equipment, but routing the output into modular land, an envelop controlled amplifier shapes the sound nicely.
p.j.
GilgaFrank wrote:
The Andertons guys' review of the miku pedal is laugh out loud funny.



This is truly hysterical.
p.j.
GilgaFrank wrote:
The Andertons guys' review of the miku pedal is laugh out loud funny.



This is truly hysterical.
soggybag
Here is a good demo:

http://tonefiend.com/effects/heaviest-stompbox/
JohnLRice
[s]https://soundcloud.com/johnlrice/noodles-for-neko[/s]
smetak
JohnLRice wrote:
[s]https://soundcloud.com/johnlrice/noodles-for-neko[/s]


I'm completely awestruck on how someone can use such a quirky, weird box of nothingness to create such stunning piece of music!!!

Mate, I wish I had a tenth of your talent - amazing!
weinglas
JohnLRice wrote:
[s]https://soundcloud.com/johnlrice/noodles-for-neko[/s]


Great track John applause

What fx did you use after the output of the Miko?
JohnLRice
Thanks so much smetak and weinglas! SlayerBadger!

Keep in mind that for the last third or so of the piece the Miku Stomp is bypassed and you are just hearing the Mellotron Micro with a female vocal sample.

The first two thirds the solo voice is Mellotron Micro to Miku Stomp to TC Electronics Hall Of Fame MkI. The TC HOF settings were:
Decay: 50%
Pre Delay: Long
Tone: 75%
Wet/Dry" 100% Wet
Type: MOD
JohnLRice
Here is an Instagram video I did earlier with the same setup before I twerked the patch and settings. It was maybe better before I messed with it? hmmm.....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BfbOmr0gPG1/?taken-by=imjohnlrice
weinglas
JohnLRice wrote:
Thanks so much smetak and weinglas! SlayerBadger!

Keep in mind that for the last third or so of the piece the Miku Stomp is bypassed and you are just hearing the Mellotron Micro with a female vocal sample....


Thanks for your video that sounds a lot more like my explorations with this pedal and thanks for your explanation. I felt like d'oh!

My ears are getting old, I should have recognized such a signature Mellotron sound. Instead I thought you had put some kind of chorus/ensemble after the Miku hmmm.....

However: It is a great little piece of music love
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