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WAD lust
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Author WAD lust
Chaotic
I really would love to have a Wad in my Serge system but I don`t have the money at the moment. Maybe never. sad banana
Wish I could call Rex and tell him to send me a Wad or a Klangzeit.
I've diy`d all of my Serge-panels but dont have the guts to build a Wad.

I`m sorry to ask but is there an alternative to the Wad? And please tell me more about the Wad.
I know it is a special module but what about Moog delay or Koma Elektronik BD101?
My only experience with delays are guitar pedals and digital multi effects and I dont need that kind of stuff.
And maybe some day I can pick up the phone and say hello to Rex w00t
Vsyevolod
I have a WAD on loan plus a MoogerFooger 104M Delay. They are rather different animals that do some similar things. Both are great if you're into VC-ing the bejeesus out of a delay.

You may want to wait a bit and get a TipTop Serge WAD when they finally hit the market. I'm rather pleased with the prototype I've been working with lately. While not exactly 100% the same, it is dripping with quality sounds.

I haven't been as rigorous in testing the limits of my MF104M, perhaps I'll get around to that soon just to see.

Stephen




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NYMo
Stephen...is that Tip Top WAD, 4u or Euro ?

Cheers
Vsyevolod
It's Euro. The one that has been talked about for the last year and a half.

Stephen




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NYMo
Sorry..I'm new around here.

Cheers
hongaars
I have major WAD lust too... even though I do not know what it does exactly.

From what I read and listened, its some kind of flanger-like short delay effect, which generates interesting (outer space) feedback.

Would love to see/hear/read more about the WAD. Even though there are good things to be found lately. More please
This is fun!
bartlebooth
the WAD can be coaxed into longer delays by using the 'B" output, and putting 5v into the CV delay time input. where it really shines i think is in feedback patches where its many inputs and outputs can create some very unusual and surprising time-based effects. it can also do karplus-like sounds by using the 'A' output and short delay time/long feedback..you asked to hear more so here's an example of the latter https://soundcloud.com/bartlebooth/transdanubian-raga
MindMachine
Here are a couple of patches I rigged up. One gets the WAD to echo and the other is for delayed/echoed cv.

page 2 of this one for an echo patch:
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73054&postdays=0&pos torder=asc&highlight=wad&start=10

this one is a convoluted cv delay patch:
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103859&highlight=wad
eben1000uk
here is a vid of a modded dr55 going through my serge and the WAD. essentially i am using the cv outs of the sequencer to control the delay time. theres a patch diagram on my blog here

aethyr
Pretty badass eben!
Scories
@eben1000uk : I really like that beat. thumbs up
dan_k
Thanks for the video eben1000uk, I really enjoyed that.

And thanks for posting the patch details too. Gives me some ideas! SlayerBadger!
hongaars
Thanks all!!!!

This feeds my lust razz
skkatter
I've got a Moogerfooger 104M Delay and a Serge WAD, they're pretty different. The Moogerfooger is great for longer delays which the WAD can't do.

The WAD can do a lot more interesting things with feedback and shorter delay times. It's a lot better for flanging etc, in the same family as the Klark Teknik DN34 or the Marshall Time Modulator.

The DN34 uses the SAD 512D BBD chip and I believe the WAD uses the SAD1024, hence why they sound similar to my ears. The Moogerfooger uses the MN3008.
Vsyevolod
Yes, the WAD uses two SAD1024 chips.

Stephen




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mudlogger
I've been playing with the WAD again the last few days : here's some stuff I put on Instagram and Vine

http://instagram.com/p/uSdRy2G9Qf/
http://instagram.com/p/uSbTfVm9dr/
https://vine.co/v/MjKVFLlAHwI
https://soundcloud.com/isaan-electronic-ensemble/kim-and-the-cane

[s]https://soundcloud.com/isaan-electronic-ensemble/sam-pan-boak[/s]
https://soundcloud.com/isaan-electronic-ensemble/sam-pan-boak
cj3000
mudlogger wrote:
I've been playing with the WAD again the last few days : here's some stuff I put on Instagram and Vine

http://instagram.com/p/uSdRy2G9Qf/
http://instagram.com/p/uSbTfVm9dr/
https://vine.co/v/MjKVFLlAHwI
https://soundcloud.com/isaan-electronic-ensemble/kim-and-the-cane

[s]https://soundcloud.com/isaan-electronic-ensemble/sam-pan-boak[/s]
https://soundcloud.com/isaan-electronic-ensemble/sam-pan-boak


oh man the ending is great. schocking. woah
christoph
mudlogger
cj3000 wrote:
mudlogger wrote:
I've been playing with the WAD again the last few days : here's some stuff I put on Instagram and Vine

http://instagram.com/p/uSdRy2G9Qf/
http://instagram.com/p/uSbTfVm9dr/
https://vine.co/v/MjKVFLlAHwI
https://soundcloud.com/isaan-electronic-ensemble/kim-and-the-cane

[s]https://soundcloud.com/isaan-electronic-ensemble/sam-pan-boak[/s]
https://soundcloud.com/isaan-electronic-ensemble/sam-pan-boak


oh man the ending is great. schocking. woah
christoph


christoph thanks, it's all a Blippoo through the WAD - there's no violin on there.
I'm playing the Blippoo beams with 1 hand and wiggling the Blippoo with the other hand.
It was recorded live in 1 take with no overdubs.
Cobramatic
Reviving this old thread after having had the chance to play on a lovely WAD over the weekend (thanks Jono!). SlayerBadger!
After a few minutes of figuring out that it is NOT a typical Delay I was having enormous fun sound shaping with it and hammering the feedback - take a look at the clip below.

Bottom line is - I NEED one in my Serge system so I looked up my options - seems like I can shell out a fortune for the STS version on a Soup Kitchen or M-class panel, or pray for one on BST for .

But wondering if any of the other Serge adaptions or re makes like Random source are going to tackle it?
I've read some of the other threads about a TipTop eurocrack version that was developed but never released.

Anybody got any up to date news about if we are ever likely to see one from somewhere?

WAD Demo clip
(Cant seem to embed the Instagram video into this post)
snufkin
OK so the magic with the WAD is def with the short flanging type delays.

The magic with the SAD chips is it's easier to clock them at high speeds without conditioning and buffering the clock pulse, MN chips can be clocked as fast/almost as fast but it takes a design/designer who wants to dig in and tweak to get that type of performance. SAD chips will probably never be reproduced but I said that about MN chips 10 years ago so what do I know! lol

I have only played a WAD once but I hear the SOSTF can get into similar territory if not the exact same ball park.

Cobramatic wrote:
Reviving this old thread after having had the chance to play on a lovely WAD over the weekend (thanks Jono!). SlayerBadger!
After a few minutes of figuring out that it is NOT a typical Delay I was having enormous fun sound shaping with it and hammering the feedback - take a look at the clip below.

Bottom line is - I NEED one in my Serge system so I looked up my options - seems like I can shell out a fortune for the STS version on a Soup Kitchen or M-class panel, or pray for one on BST for .

But wondering if any of the other Serge adaptions or re makes like Random source are going to tackle it?
I've read some of the other threads about a TipTop eurocrack version that was developed but never released.

Anybody got any up to date news about if we are ever likely to see one from somewhere?

WAD Demo clip
(Cant seem to embed the Instagram video into this post)
sopresada
Cobramatic wrote:

But wondering if any of the other Serge adaptions or re makes like Random source are going to tackle it?
I've read some of the other threads about a TipTop eurocrack version that was developed but never released.

Anybody got any up to date news about if we are ever likely to see one from somewhere?

WAD Demo clip
(Cant seem to embed the Instagram video into this post)


It seems like it's not likely that an exact replica of the WAD will come out because of the SAD chip issue. You can still buy them on ebay or wherever but they are discontinued and they cost about $100 each. A WAD needs two of those I believe. Apparently they can also be hit or miss in functioning correctly too.

I think Loudest Warning (thebadproducer) does make them though, at least I've seen pics of his builds on his website. I presume he's using Ken Stone's PCB -- http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs208_wad.html -- so if you have major WAD lust you could ask him about that. I would quite like to commission a version of the Animate panel now we have the R*S NTO. That would be pretty sweet.

Also on one of the Serge facebook groups someone was asking a similar question and Ken Stone wrote an interesting reply saying that it would make a lot more sense these days to recreate the WAD using a solution based on digital electronics rather than the SAD chips but that he wasn't going to go down that road himself. Maybe we could turn that into a muffs kickstarter project? I'd be well up for contributing some $$$ to that...

I've seen some comparisons of Haible's Son of Storm Tide Flanger floated as a possible substitute for a WAD which also seems "verrry interesting" (Larry David face).
sopresada
snufkin wrote:
I have only played a WAD once but I hear the SOSTF can get into similar territory if not the exact same ball park.


Ah yes, sorry didn't see this bit when I posted exactly the same thing! I've heard that too... Would be nice to see a comparison sometime.
MATSmile
Mungo d0 gets really close to WAD but it's digital and in different format.
the bad producer
Hi!

Yes, I used Ken's PCB's and lucked out by scoring a couple of 1978 Memory Man pedals (4 SAD's in each)... But I think the SOST - with a couple of mods - can get pretty close, or even better IMO... I sold my last WAD and keep meaning to make myself one more to do a comparison vid... The SOST lacks the VCF (which has been on my mind) so is a bit noisier (can be noisier I mean)
Cobramatic
Thanks for the info on this.
I actually have found a very cheap module (in euro but probably an easy fix to nanafy it) is the $99 Synthrotek EKO
It is a tiny 4hp with only 1 in and out and with CV control of rate only but it does a lovely job of emulating 'some' of the WAD tones.
At the edge of the IC chip operating range with feedback cranked up it get beautifully whiney and then breaks up in a lovely crackle.
Wish it has CV over the feedback as well as rate. Maybe could be modded on a bigger panel to get access to the return feedback path too??
If so, and paired with a filter, it could be a Poor mans WAD emulator?

From the description:
"A very unique echo using the PT2399 IC featuring Voltage Controlled . Manual controls for Rate, Feedback, and Mix. Beautiful and bizarre, CV modulation of the rate brings in ghostly pitch bent sounds to metallic reverbs.
ECHO Rate knob is setup to push the chip into extreme territory and will extend past the "useable" range of the PT2399 IC"

the schematic is here:
http://www.synthrotek.com/products/modular-circuits/echo/echo-schemati c/
I might attempt a mod if anybody can show me where to tap into the feedback path.
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