Expert Sleepers FH-1

Cwejman, Livewire, TipTop Audio, Doepfer etc... Get your euro on!

Moderators: luketeaford, Joe., lisa, Kent

Post Reply
User avatar
sasbom
Common Wiggler
Posts: 196
Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:52 am
Location: A swamp somewhere in the Netherlands

Post by sasbom » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:50 pm

I used the manual and took my time reading it, asked some questions too.
It's not that hard as it might seem, just read through it a couple of times :)
Paint with wires on a canvas of electronics.

HOTPOT
Learning to Wiggle
Posts: 8
Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:01 pm
Location: London

Post by HOTPOT » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:16 pm

Thanks sasbom. I'm going to re-read now. Struggling to setup the firmware.
sasbom wrote:I used the manual and took my time reading it, asked some questions too.
It's not that hard as it might seem, just read through it a couple of times :)

User avatar
os
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 13305
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:55 am
Location: UK
Contact:

Post by os » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:50 am

Da Dah Da wrote:Very interesting this Widi Bud !

Can it be used to control the FH-1 by a Ipad pro with TC-11 for example ?
I've not been able to connect an iPad to the Widi Bud. It's possible that I'm simply not doing it right, or that there are other Bluetooth dongles that would allow it.
HOTPOT wrote:My goal is I want more triggers, LFOs, waves, and to use the random and noise outputs in general, but wanted to use my Logic drum sequencer as the clock. Basically, my drums and drum samples via laptop, and everything else via my rack. The FH-1 seemed a good way to do this.
I would have suggested an ES-3 instead, but it sounds like you've already gone down the FH-1 road?

Da Dah Da
Learning to Wiggle
Posts: 27
Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:24 am
Location: France

Post by Da Dah Da » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:54 am

Thank you OS, i sent a message to CME about ipad and FH-1 or other usb midi din converter.

HOTPOT
Learning to Wiggle
Posts: 8
Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:01 pm
Location: London

Post by HOTPOT » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:48 pm

os wrote: I would have suggested an ES-3 instead, but it sounds like you've already gone down the FH-1 road?
Thanks, os. Yes, I have the FH-1. I will look into the ES-3 now as well. So far Silent Way looks more instantly compatible with my setup, but I'm not averse to learning how to use the FH-1.

User avatar
mOBiTh
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 1985
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 2:20 pm

Post by mOBiTh » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:48 am

Hey os

Is there a technical reason why the fh-1 can't be 'relegated ' to a usb device so it could be controlled by a laptop running max for example?

Cheers

m

User avatar
jonleebrown
Common Wiggler
Posts: 67
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:44 pm
Location: Corvallis Oregon

Post by jonleebrown » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:01 pm

mOBiTh wrote:Is there a technical reason why the fh-1 can't be 'relegated ' to a usb device so it could be controlled by a laptop running max for example?
My understanding is that the FH-1 is a USB host, so can't connect directly to another host. You can get something like a iConnectivity mio2 which can make two hosts talk to one another. I do this, and after a little set up it works really well.

User avatar
mOBiTh
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 1985
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 2:20 pm

Post by mOBiTh » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:21 pm

jonleebrown wrote:
mOBiTh wrote:Is there a technical reason why the fh-1 can't be 'relegated ' to a usb device so it could be controlled by a laptop running max for example?
My understanding is that the FH-1 is a USB host, so can't connect directly to another host. You can get something like a iConnectivity mio2 which can make two hosts talk to one another. I do this, and after a little set up it works really well.
Sure, but that's not what I was asking :hihi:

Some devices can switch mode between being host or device - I'm asking whether this is feasible with the FH-1 because it would vastly increase its usefulness (and potentially be much easier to program), especially live or where you don't want extra peripherals in your rig.

User avatar
os
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 13305
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:55 am
Location: UK
Contact:

Post by os » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:26 pm

The FH-1 is physically wired as a host.

User avatar
jonleebrown
Common Wiggler
Posts: 67
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:44 pm
Location: Corvallis Oregon

Post by jonleebrown » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:38 pm

mOBiTh wrote:but that's not what I was asking
Ah, sorry--looks like OS clear it up?

FWIW, I use my case + Mio + computer live and it's not been no trouble for me. The computer can power the Mio, two USB cables. Done.

The Mio is another box to carry around... I'm glad it doesn't have knobs all over it--can just through it in my bag.

User avatar
eclectics
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 373
Joined: Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:32 am
Location: Melbourne

Post by eclectics » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:03 pm

wednesdayayay wrote:oh cool so any HID device should work now?

the the shbobo shnth comes out in MAX as a HID device so this should work no problem then right?
First thing i tried after the upgrade.
So far i can verify the buttons work fine, but i havent got the barres or antenna working, though a hid test PD patch suggests they should be recognized.

User avatar
Funky40
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 5812
Joined: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:08 pm
Location: on a big voyage

Post by Funky40 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:39 pm

mOBiTh wrote:Hey os
Is there a technical reason why the fh-1 can't be 'relegated ' to a usb device so it could be controlled by a laptop running max for example?
JFYI:
http://compasflamenco.com/midi-c-3/midi ... qpN4lbB2x0

this device could be a affordable solution for that "problem". (ships from Spain much likely)
i have none, myself much interested to hear some feedback from people using it with a FH-1 ;)
For sale:........it won´t sell, so i stopp bother you ;)

User avatar
os
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 13305
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:55 am
Location: UK
Contact:

Post by os » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:43 am

@eclectics If you can send me the HID report descriptor I can see how that should/could map to the FH-1.

@Funky40 That looks very useful - I'll get one and test it.

User avatar
mOBiTh
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 1985
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 2:20 pm

Post by mOBiTh » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:22 am

Funky40 wrote:
mOBiTh wrote:Hey os
Is there a technical reason why the fh-1 can't be 'relegated ' to a usb device so it could be controlled by a laptop running max for example?
JFYI:
http://compasflamenco.com/midi-c-3/midi ... qpN4lbB2x0

this device could be a affordable solution for that "problem". (ships from Spain much likely)
i have none, myself much interested to hear some feedback from people using it with a FH-1 ;)
That's a very handy looking gadget for sure - they make some other useful looking utilities too. Thanks for the link! Look forward to hearing whether it works with FH-1

User avatar
2disbetter
Ultra Wiggler
Posts: 986
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:40 pm
Location: Germany

Post by 2disbetter » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:18 am

Funky40 wrote:
mOBiTh wrote:Hey os
Is there a technical reason why the fh-1 can't be 'relegated ' to a usb device so it could be controlled by a laptop running max for example?
JFYI:
http://compasflamenco.com/midi-c-3/midi ... qpN4lbB2x0

this device could be a affordable solution for that "problem". (ships from Spain much likely)
i have none, myself much interested to hear some feedback from people using it with a FH-1 ;)
The FH-1 is an amazing piece of kit for sure, but if you don't need all that the FH-1 offers and you really just want to sequence your module from a computer you should look into the Polyend Poly module. It allows you to do this and automatically configures all incoming signal to it's 8 voice outs (1 gate, 1 cv, 1 velocity and 1 modulation). It can also behave as a host or a guest.

Outside of that though the FH-1 is extremely flexible and it's ability to allow you to custom control the outputs specifically makes it overall far more powerful as a means of controlling your module. (sequencing, arp, lfo, etc.)

2d

timmmofa
Learning to Wiggle
Posts: 15
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:29 pm

Post by timmmofa » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:45 am

hey there,
i got my FH-1 a few days ago and it works like a charme with Squarp Pyramid + Octatrack through a iconnectivity midi2+ ..... amazing!


i wanted to combine controllers and add a usb hub (Elektron Overhub) and there it is: a nested hub. took me a minute to figure it out.

So for reference: The FH-1 works with USB 3.0 hubs, at least tested with the Overhub. On the Overhub only the 3 ports on the right will connect to the FH-1 though.

timm

User avatar
os
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 13305
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:55 am
Location: UK
Contact:

Post by os » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:01 am

Thanks for the info. There's a note on 7 port hubs in the FH-1 user manual - often these are actually two daisy-chained 4 port hubs.

User avatar
mOBiTh
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 1985
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 2:20 pm

Post by mOBiTh » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:13 am

2disbetter wrote: Outside of that though the FH-1 is extremely flexible and it's ability to allow you to custom control the outputs specifically makes it overall far more powerful as a means of controlling your module. (sequencing, arp, lfo, etc.)

2d
I tried the arp the other day with my seaboard, got some good results!

User avatar
os
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 13305
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:55 am
Location: UK
Contact:

Post by os » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:36 am

Funky40 wrote:
mOBiTh wrote:Hey os
Is there a technical reason why the fh-1 can't be 'relegated ' to a usb device so it could be controlled by a laptop running max for example?
JFYI:
http://compasflamenco.com/midi-c-3/midi ... qpN4lbB2x0

this device could be a affordable solution for that "problem". (ships from Spain much likely)
i have none, myself much interested to hear some feedback from people using it with a FH-1 ;)
Just got one. It appears to work perfectly to link an FH-1 to a Mac (or PC presumably). Cheaper (and smaller) than an iConnectivity thing. Win!

User avatar
2disbetter
Ultra Wiggler
Posts: 986
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:40 pm
Location: Germany

Post by 2disbetter » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:58 am

os wrote:
Funky40 wrote:
mOBiTh wrote:Hey os
Is there a technical reason why the fh-1 can't be 'relegated ' to a usb device so it could be controlled by a laptop running max for example?
JFYI:
http://compasflamenco.com/midi-c-3/midi ... qpN4lbB2x0

this device could be a affordable solution for that "problem". (ships from Spain much likely)
i have none, myself much interested to hear some feedback from people using it with a FH-1 ;)
Just got one. It appears to work perfectly to link an FH-1 to a Mac (or PC presumably). Cheaper (and smaller) than an iConnectivity thing. Win!
Psssh and way cheaper than a Polyend poly. That's awesome.

2d

User avatar
Funky40
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 5812
Joined: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:08 pm
Location: on a big voyage

Post by Funky40 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:16 pm

os wrote: Just got one. It appears to work perfectly to link an FH-1 to a Mac (or PC presumably). Cheaper (and smaller) than an iConnectivity thing. Win!
Thanks for testing ! much appreciated !

win
For sale:........it won´t sell, so i stopp bother you ;)

User avatar
mOBiTh
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 1985
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 2:20 pm

Post by mOBiTh » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:39 pm

os wrote: Just got one. It appears to work perfectly to link an FH-1 to a Mac (or PC presumably). Cheaper (and smaller) than an iConnectivity thing. Win!
Great, thanks for testing mate, also ordered one 8-)

elegon2112
Learning to Wiggle
Posts: 27
Joined: Wed May 11, 2016 3:56 am
Location: michigan

Post by elegon2112 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:52 pm

i use akais max keyboard as a inbetween with no issues. fh-1 powers the keyboard then a midi cable to my interface.. perhaps there are other midi controllers that you can run midi through.

timmmofa
Learning to Wiggle
Posts: 15
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:29 pm

Post by timmmofa » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:29 am

As i couldn't find any information on that topic in the manual .... is it possible to switch presets via MIDI? That would be awesome!

User avatar
os
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 13305
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:55 am
Location: UK
Contact:

Post by os » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:37 am

Not currently. Were you thinking of using MIDI program change for this?

Post Reply

Return to “Eurorack Modules”