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Live Affordable External Mixer for Modular?

Post by stromcat » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:52 am

Hola crew!

I'm wondering about a small format decent sounding standalone mixer for modular live mixing use (I just don't think I'm gonna have room for a modular mixer which can so all this) which:

• Sounds Decent. Esp when driven, and can bear direct modular level.
• Has at least one Stereo Effect Send/return.
• At least one Mic input.
• At least 4 inputs.
• Has mute buttons.

I assume there's many various Mackie/Spirits which can cope, but figure it's worth asking the folks who know!

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Post by pixelmechanic » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:33 pm

Mackie 802 or 1202

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Post by valis » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:54 pm

I've now owned three Mackie 1202vlz mixers (all died to some varying degree), a cr1402 which I used in my studio, and a cr1202 for live use. If you can get past not having mute buttons I'd recommend going with the Mackie pre-vlz gear, like a cr1202. In my experiences the cr series lasts longer and sounds better, especially when being overdriven, than the vlz. Others might disagree with me. The 1202vlz does have much better audio routing options than the cr1202 though.
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Post by sundog » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:32 pm

I've got the 802 which has been fine apart from the fact the main mix knob/pot went crackly after a few months home use :waah: ..... so keep the receipt.

There's also a new cheaper Mackie range (eg Mix8) - but no mute buttons

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Post by stromcat » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:17 pm

valis wrote:In my experiences the cr series lasts longer and sounds better, especially when being overdriven, than the vlz.
Thanks guys. Well. If the CR Series is good enough for Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo, it's good enough for me.

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Post by flo » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:30 pm

Make sure the CR is in decent condition. They can be pretty rocked down by now and sound a bit trashy IME. For VLZ make sure it's at least VLZ3.

For other new offerings the Yamaha MG, A&H ZED and Soundcraft EPM / EFX series also look nice for the money. All of them have one flaw or another for what I precisely would need them personally right now, mostly to do with send/returns... :bang:

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Post by stromcat » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:44 am

Does anyone have any experience with the small format Allen & Heath mixers?

This looks pretty ace:
http://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/zed-10/

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Post by flo » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:04 am

Yeah, those are what I'm talking about. IME they're fine for live, got that one from venues a couple of times. I just hate them for not implementing returns properly, I'd happily trade the USB crap for two proper returns... Or at least one on the FX model for christ's sake

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Post by stromcat » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:17 am

flo wrote:I just hate them for not implementing returns properly
How do you mean? What doesn't it do properly?

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Post by insula » Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:42 am

stromcat wrote:
flo wrote:I just hate them for not implementing returns properly
How do you mean? What doesn't it do properly?
they don't add aux return, msut be used a ch mixer, not bad if you have enough mixer.

In my current set up i'm using a mackie 1202 vlz, greate mixer in this price range.. but is too too heavy. now i'm using a behringer xenux 802, poor quality but lighert, not always i move my stuff for do a gig, also i like to play with friends.

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Post by carlosnyb » Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:52 am

I have a 1202vlz3 and like it.

Recently I was looking at the Samson SM10 -- only takes 1 rack unit of space, nice and compact, it's on my list for dealing with Miami outputs. Two sends (monitor is pre-fader, aux is post-fader, the pre-fader monitor send does have send amount adjustment)

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Post by flo » Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:26 am

insula wrote:
stromcat wrote:
flo wrote:I just hate them for not implementing returns properly
How do you mean? What doesn't it do properly?
they don't add aux return, msut be used a ch mixer, not bad if you have enough mixer.
Exactly. It would be perfect for my "compact" live setup that needs six channels plus two sends. The sends are there but no returns, and no channels left... Total stupidity.

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Post by insula » Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:28 am

flo wrote:
insula wrote:
stromcat wrote:
flo wrote:I just hate them for not implementing returns properly
How do you mean? What doesn't it do properly?
they don't add aux return, msut be used a ch mixer, not bad if you have enough mixer.
Exactly. It would be perfect for my "compact" live setup that needs six channels plus two sends. The sends are there but no returns, and no channels left... Total stupidity.
well .... is not so bad, more jamaican style!! :guinness:

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Post by flo » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:36 pm

Not if you don't have enough channels... :confused:

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Post by studiokpg » Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:47 pm

I have a Zed10, and I'm pretty happy with it, although it stays home. There is an additional return that might not be obvious. It has a playback input that can be mixed in to the main out.
The only thing that I don't love about the mixer is that the monitor outs are unbalanced RCA. The main outs are balanced XLR, but the way I use it at home, the monitor out channel is most convenient for my monitors :sadbanana: .

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Post by Orbless » Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:06 pm

Tapco Mix220 could be a good option as well. Being in the UK though, Allen and Heath may be a better solution

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Post by Navs » Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:29 am

On Hainbach's recommendation I bought a Mackie 802VLZ4. I wanted something smaller and lighter than my Spirit Folio 10:2 for gigs.

Things I like: size, weight, mutes, one knob to control stereo channels/master.

It only has one aux but a second (100% wet) can be faked with ALT routing. I discussed this general failing with most small mixers with the bloke in the shop and he told me to forget it, that the future is digital/ iPad-linked. Bah.

The EQ is useless. Really, they should have left it out. The Spirit's EQs have never done much for me, but at least I can hear musical differences when sweeping the highs and parametric mids.

The Mackie has plenty of gain but I don't like its sound when overdriven. I tried to route some feedback via a Micromodular/ FX and wasn't happy with the result.

That said, it's fantastically portable, gives me more build confidence than a similarly-sized Behringer and Falafelbiels was happy it had XLR outs that he could tap at my Noodlebar gig.

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Post by carlosnyb » Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:23 pm

I never use my mixer as an effect or for eq, so those things don't bother me.

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Post by diasporos » Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:12 pm

stromcat wrote:Does anyone have any experience with the small format Allen & Heath mixers?

This looks pretty ace:
http://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/zed-10/
The ZED-10 is my live rig mixer for the modular. It sounds great and it's very compact for the quality. Clean sound, good eq. Built solid and 'feels' expensive. I don't use the onboard fx much though or the USB so I feel I'm wasting something. Only complain: signal is frequently too hot at the input. Even with zero gain. Same signal is ok on my home studio Mackie.
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Post by notmiserlouagain » Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:13 pm

If you want something really special look for an old Soundcraft BVE100.
They sound much better than any stinkin Mackie and you can access the fader vcas with external 0/+5v cv :nana:
You might have to look a little harder maybe to find one. I use a B100 for recording (no vcas, even better sound), those are old broadcast stuff...
300-500 EU

For live I use an old TASCAM M106, which is also decent piece, a little noisy micpres but very good sounding with line levels, minimal but nice eq´s!!(these old TASCAMs get bashed a lot, but that one, the only one I know, is totally everything you want)! About 150 EU used.

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Post by clarke68 » Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:27 pm

I know some people really hate Behringer, but I have one of these:

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It's the smallest mixer I could find that has actual sliders for faders. It's the only mixer I've ever owned, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I'be been perfectly happy with it: doesn't seem noisy to me and handles modular signals just fine. No mute buttons tho. And I'd really like a 2nd effects send (but what small mixer has that?).

I really don't see what all the fuss is about with Behringer, but they do make a wide range of products so I assume they have a fair share of hits and misses.
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Post by Mr. Enjin » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:49 am

So far I've had a few Behringers and never had a problem.
One cool little screwy issue, on one of the channels if nothing was plugged in I could turn up the volume all the way, fiddle the EQ pots and get this creepy muffled squealing noise that kinda sounded like a fetus having nightmare in the womb :eek:

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Post by clarke68 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:50 pm

Mr. Enjin wrote:One cool little screwy issue, on one of the channels if nothing was plugged in I could turn up the volume all the way, fiddle the EQ pots and get this creepy muffled squealing noise that kinda sounded like a fetus having nightmare in the womb :eek:
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Post by craigie77 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:00 pm

just got a Xenyx 24/4/2 from DV247 for 125 quid
actua;lly surprised by it
was only a cheep mixer for live jamming...but actually half descent for the price

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Post by smirky » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:25 am

clarke68 wrote:It's the only mixer I've ever owned, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I'be been perfectly happy with it.
I'm in the same boat as you: bought their EURORACK UB1202 mixer for probably $100 over a decade ago. Every six months or so I wonder if I ought to upgrade to something with 2 FX sends and then I just keep on using this thing that has worked flawlessly all these years.

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