Dual Looping Delay from 4ms

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Dual Looping Delay from 4ms

Post by GaryInHuaHin » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:52 am

Update April 19, 2016.
The 4ms Dual Looping Delay is finally on the factory floor. Initial shipments will commence shortly!

As you might expect, details of the design and feature set have changed a bit over the months. Here is the present front panel.

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The DLD is a pair of high-capacity (88 seconds) digital delay lines, both tied to a common timebase. Delays are set as multiples of the tap/clock interval, with a range from 1 to 32 'beats'. A toggle switch for each channel lets you select the range of delay, from very short to very, very long

Each delay has a separate input. The right input is normalled to the left and the outputs likewise, so you can run mono-to-mono and mono-to-stereo without patching. A single patch cable provides cascaded operation

Each delay has a very clean feedback path, voltage-controlled, that ranges up to 110% for 'bloom' effects. Send out and Return input on each channel provide for external feedback (bring an attenuator :love: ) The signal feed into each delay can be dynamically manipulated by hand or CV without disturbing the dry signal.

Infinite Hold allows capture of the current delay contents, disabling input and regenerating at a precise 100%, toggled by trigger, gate or panel switch. All changes in delay time and Inf. Rpt status are synchronised with the beat clock so that rhythmic sync is preserved.

Reverse causes the read and write direction to flip, resulting in current memory contents playing backwards. In Infinite Hold or with high Feedback, the reversed contents will continue indefinitely. Both Revers and Infinite Hold can be activated seperately for each delay channel by panel buttons or triggered input jacks.

The 4ms Dual Looping Delay also has multiple clock outputs that are sample-synched to the delay.
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Post by Matos » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:55 am

Go Gary! Sounds great! Can't wait to hear some demos and listen to all your hard work.

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Post by NS4W » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:57 am

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Post by ignatius » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:58 am

really excited about this one. The few times I heard the prototype it sounded really really nice. Very 'musical' for lack of a better term. Nice work!!!

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Post by echoplex » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:52 am

if it can go up to audio-rate delay times (KP) it was the perfect delay :love: :hyper:

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Post by exper » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:59 am

Changing delay time. Does it resample or change in pitch?
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Post by Useful Noise » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:01 am

Very nice Gary! Are you actually in Hua Hin? I was there last weekend.

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Post by oscillateur » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:02 am

exper wrote:Changing delay time. Does it resample or change in pitch?
If it keeps its audio buffer but just changes which part of it is accessed (like the Boss DD20) then this could be quite interesting.

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Post by GaryInHuaHin » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:13 am

exper wrote:Changing delay time. Does it resample or change in pitch?
Not in the release version. We gave that a lot of consideration but realised that it could push the product out several months. Resampling is easy to do a rough job of, tricky to get right.

But the unit is firmware upgradeable via audio file. I can't promise anything, but the feature is top of our list....

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Post by GaryInHuaHin » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:17 am

echoplex wrote:if it can go up to audio-rate delay times (KP) it was the perfect delay :love: :hyper:
In the initial release, the emphasis is on longer time application such as looping and rhythmic echoes. But the unit is firmware upgradeable and there's no reason in principle that it can't be updated for resonant processing functions.

btw, for some very very cool resonance effects, check out the 4ms Spectral Multiband Resonator

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Post by GaryInHuaHin » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:18 am

Useful Noise wrote:Very nice Gary! Are you actually in Hua Hin? I was there last weekend.
Yes, I am. Are you in Bangkok? I'm making plans to come up for a dog and pony show sometime soon.

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Post by ben_hex » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:29 am

Looking good, if you can get a dual resonant delay line for karplus and the like you'll have a lot of wigglers dribbling! :hihi:
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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:46 am

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Post by echoplex » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:46 am

ben_hex wrote:Looking good, if you can get a dual resonant delay line for karplus and the like you'll have a lot of wigglers dribbling! :hihi:
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Post by Dogma » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:57 am

GaryInHuaHin wrote:
echoplex wrote:if it can go up to audio-rate delay times (KP) it was the perfect delay :love: :hyper:
In the initial release, the emphasis is on longer time application such as looping and rhythmic echoes. But the unit is firmware upgradeable and there's no reason in principle that it can't be updated for resonant processing functions.

btw, for some very very cool resonance effects, check out the 4ms Spectral Multiband Resonator
What a smart move - so its planned and will likely happen ie the HW cn handle it fine...that just mean its a matter of time - very smart. Sure to be my first delay ay ay...Just as I was about to hunt for a modcan....
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Post by listentoaheartbeat » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:45 am

echoplex wrote:
ben_hex wrote:Looking good, if you can get a dual resonant delay line for karplus and the like you'll have a lot of wigglers dribbling! :hihi:
WORD!

:goo: :hyper: :hyper: :love: :w00t:
Well, not so much.. :(
GaryInHuaHin wrote:
exper wrote:Changing delay time. Does it resample or change in pitch?
Not in the release version. We gave that a lot of consideration but realised that it could push the product out several months. Resampling is easy to do a rough job of, tricky to get right.
GaryInHuaHin wrote:
echoplex wrote:if it can go up to audio-rate delay times (KP) it was the perfect delay :love: :hyper:
In the initial release, the emphasis is on longer time application such as looping and rhythmic echoes.

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Post by DonKartofflo » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:52 am

Apart from the obviously great engineering in all of the 4ms modules, i really love the interface and looks!
Btw, with all those dual modules, a stereo capable eurorack suddenly doesnt seem so far away now...
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Post by echoplex » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:53 am

Come on Gary, as you cleary see lots of wigglers want/wish that is resonates/KP .. why don't you implement it in the release version.
would make things way easier and make this delay more attractive to us all :)

-just my thoughts out loud

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Post by listentoaheartbeat » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:58 am

echoplex wrote:Come on Gary, as you cleary see lots of wigglers want/wish that is resonates/KP .. why don't you implement it in the release version.
would make things way easier and make this delay more attractive to us all :)

-just my thoughts out loud
He said that resampling would push development several months back, so even if they include a wider delay time range you'd get the typical pitch bend effects when changing the delay time.

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Post by tsunamisucks » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:59 am

i love it

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Post by algo » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:09 am

Looks great, delay is missing from my case :omg:

Summer release will give me chance to shuffle things around!

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Post by Hari Seldon » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:31 am

I think I want this. Looks like the thing I'm trying to fix with trying to sync external loopers for long loops...

What's the sample rate/bit depth specs?
Does it also do bread and butter looping(press=record press=play loop)?
Estimated price?

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Re: Dual Looping Delay from 4ms

Post by Funky40 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:46 am

sounds all really promising,
exept:
GaryInHuaHin wrote: The right input is normalled to the left and the outputs likewise
can you please consider to build up to western standards where we read from left to right,
.....and normalize inputs from left to right.


you know, thats like drawing an arrow,
if it goes from right to left, it would say: .....go backwards
left to right: forward

som people have bigger systems....and some are not everyday on the modules,
so having modules that follow the standard "reading rules"
-left to right
-top to bottom
is something very welcome ! It helps to keep a wigglers live easyer
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