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Author Shuttle Control by Endorphines
Bogus


https://www.modulargrid.net/e/endorphin-es-shuttle-control

I'm getting one Mr. Green
Dogma
Price? Sounds great for those with buchla and euro systems .....
Lotta competition in this area with the synth tech and FH-1
mckenic
Is this the one that was on show at this MESSE - USB host mode, Midi, 16 outs & powers the whole system?

Daayum!
Dogma
the only difference I can see though is the differing voltages (buchla ect)
We dont know what the FH-1 will be capable of - but this is interesting for sure!
loowfizzz
Perfect Module! I have one since a while and this is super peferct for connecting with ableton live. Just think about 4 Tracks with CV/Gate and Velocity and/or Key Pressure, MidiCC(over Clip-Envelopes) and Synchronization.... super awesome!
ben_hex
Certainly interesting. Not sure it can pull me away from my Veromona qMI but I'm looking forward to seeing more of it.

In terms of the power then is this a modular power supply? Flying bus board of the back or something?
loowfizzz
Hey Ben.

Yes it´s a power supply where you attach a flying bus board on the back. It´s for powering all the endorphin.es modules in a small skiff when you´re on the road. The version I have delivers 1A +12V; 0.7A -12V and 1A +5V! Maybe subject to change!!!
ym2612
ben_hex
loowfizzz wrote:
Hey Ben.

Yes it´s a power supply where you attach a flying bus board on the back. It´s for powering all the endorphin.es modules in a small skiff when you´re on the road. The version I have delivers 1A +12V; 0.7A -12V and 1A +5V! Maybe subject to change!!!


Sounds great! Nice unit to have a skiff powering a little unit. thumbs up
listentoaheartbeat
This is starting to make sense. If they add a nice 266ish module I am up for a complete Endorphin.es synth in a neat skiff to go along with some MIDI controller or an iPad.
loowfizzz
You have S&H and Fluctuating Voltages built in the Shuttle Control, which you can control over Midi CC for some random fun.

But I would really appreciate a special endorphin.es random module!
lag progress
loowfizzz wrote:
You have S&H and Fluctuating Voltages built in the Shuttle Control, which you can control over Midi CC for some random fun.


where did you get this info?
Matos
loowfizzz wrote:
Hey Ben.

Yes it´s a power supply where you attach a flying bus board on the back. It´s for powering all the endorphin.es modules in a small skiff when you´re on the road. The version I have delivers 1A +12V; 0.7A -12V and 1A +5V! Maybe subject to change!!!

Looks like he has one ....
sauce
If I can plug my OP-1 right into this to interface to my euro, I'm sold.
loowfizzz
hey sauce! I am sure this will work. The two USB-to host Ports are for USB-Midikeyboards and you can hook up every kind of USB-Midi Device.

That´s a advanced OP-Lab...
loowfizzz
One USB-Port is for a Midicontroller and the second one for a USB-light or a ventilator... or a USB-missile-launcher...
mothertongue
Very clever to integrate PSU into the module, although it will limit options for placement in the case. I could replace 3 modules with this one.

I know their graphic design is a bit of a controversial topic sometimes, but this one is very attractive in my opinion. Would love to see the module in person.
monads
Super cool. If I were just starting out I'd probably build my system around Endorphine modules for sure.
onkel z
loowfizzz is Endorphin.es certified beta tester ;-)
He tells the truth.
jjsynth
Any guess when this will be available?
onkel z
Summer.
loowfizzz
It´s really good weather outside!

It seems summer is here....

...so I can just speak for munich!
Hakan01
Anyone that knows if the thing can be powered from the bus or if its only from the front?

Because the thing was delivered with no information what so ever I don't dare connect it to my rack unless I'm sure I can do that without destroying anything.
vaxoid
Looks like it doesn't support bus power.
http://www.schneidersladen.de/en/endorphin-es-shuttle-control.html
ultrashock
Hakan01 wrote:
Anyone that knows if the thing can be powered from the bus or if its only from the front?

Because the thing was delivered with no information what so ever I don't dare connect it to my rack unless I'm sure I can do that without destroying anything.

yes, it support both power options
Zank Frappa
Hmmm, this just ended up on my list for modules I am considering to buy.
loowfizzz
manual is online:
Shuttle Control Manual

that should answer most of the questions - very detailed as always!
kstl
Just bought one, I will share my thoughts in some days Guinness ftw!

Reading the manua only, seems very capable in terms of ipad/computer control and keyboard control and 16cv outs!!! applause
loowfizzz
And the Web-Editor:

http://cargo.endorphin.es/
phosfiend
Really excited for this one, seems like a no brainer as long as it's a solid piece of kit. Can't wait to hear people's experience with it. Also, anyone buying it in the US yet? They don't have a Canadian dealer yet that I can see...
jzwoopwoop
phosfiend wrote:
Really excited for this one, seems like a no brainer as long as it's a solid piece of kit. Can't wait to hear people's experience with it. Also, anyone buying it in the US yet? They don't have a Canadian dealer yet that I can see...


Also very excited for this guy, would be a quick buy for me if anyone in the US carried it. Doesn't look to be the case as far as I can see.
papertiger
kstl wrote:
Just bought one, I will share my thoughts in some days Guinness ftw!

Reading the manua only, seems very capable in terms of ipad/computer control and keyboard control and 16cv outs!!! applause


for your thoughts?
scottmoon
I've got one coming in a couple days! applause 16 LFOs!
papertiger
scottmoon wrote:
I've got one coming in a couple days! applause 16 LFOs!


If y'all could post your thoughts, any thoughts, I'd appreciate it. Since I've decided to use my laptop, rather than hardware, to generate CC for and to sequence, etc. my modular, this module could replace the two Kenton Modular Solos (which I love) that I've got in my case.

Thanks in advance!
jzwoopwoop
scottmoon wrote:
I've got one coming in a couple days! applause 16 LFOs!


Where did you order from?
scottmoon
Noisebug. I think I got their last one.
echoplex
curious if that one works with expert sleepers silent way software?! hmmm.....
Phil999
from what I gathered Silent Way uses audio channels (analog and digital) to generate CV. This one is a converter, meaning the CV's are calculated/generated from MIDI signals.

MIDI-CV converters I know are not fast enough for audio rate modulation. I wonder how fast Silent Way performs in this area.


I have a question for people with experience and who maybe already have the Shuttle Control: does it have enough juice for these five modules?

vaxoid
Phil999
Yes, that's enough for begining. I recommend to add a filter, Mannequins Three Sister will be excellent companion for endorhpin.es system.

Phil999
thank you vaxoid for the suggestion. This is one very fine filter module, never heard of it. I will put it on my wishlist. I was thinking of adding one or both of my old Doepfer filters I have, but I'm already glad when the current setup will be powered by the Shuttle.

My plan is to have only the Shuttle Control as PSU so that I can power the system with a small SIStech solar system. Luckily the Telephone Game and Maths don't use much power so that it might be sufficient for 1-3 additional modules.

I'm looking forward to it like mad. FG and TG alone make such nice sounds. Together with the rest, ideally also with the Three Sisters, that'll be brilliant.
scottmoon
Phil999 wrote:
from what I gathered Silent Way uses audio channels (analog and digital) to generate CV. This one is a converter, meaning the CV's are calculated/generated from MIDI signals.

MIDI-CV converters I know are not fast enough for audio rate modulation. I wonder how fast Silent Way performs in this area.


I have a question for people with experience and who maybe already have the Shuttle Control: does it have enough juice for these five modules?



Yes it does applause
scottmoon
Look Ma, a Eurocrack connector.

papertiger
anyone know how much this dang thing is selling for? I can't even find that on the internets...
scottmoon
$499
papertiger
^ daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn homey!

although i guess it does have a lot features packed in thurrrr.

but still. sad banana
_Kubism
How do you guys that have it feel about it comparison to yarns? Is it just different or do you prefer one over the other?
scottmoon
Different beasts though they share a few midi features.
loowfizzz
_Kubism wrote:
How do you guys that have it feel about it comparison to yarns? Is it just different or do you prefer one over the other?


So I have both and don´t want to miss the SC and the Yarns. The Shuttle Control is super versatile when you work with Ableton Live and a Computer cause you can do really everything from different tracks mono or poly and CC over Ableton Envelopes. The LFO´s are super fun when you running out of modulation sources - whats cool when you have this in a mobile skiff. Important for me was to have four monophonic tracks and synchronization. And it powers my small skiff plus USB-Keyboard for jam sessions.

On the other hand Yarns provide the midifeatures I always was lurking for on the midipal like a arpeggiator and the SH101-style sequencer that gives you instant fun without using your computer. So I will not sell my Yarns and both of them give me all the power I´ll ever need.
kstl
_Kubism wrote:
How do you guys that have it feel about it comparison to yarns? Is it just different or do you prefer one over the other?


I'm selling my Yarns after get this one. I don't need the sequencer options in Yarns, because already have other modules doing the same and one sh101 for that sequencing style.

Apart of this is much more wide and configurable. For now, I already have 4 presets configured in mine, one for 16 triggers, another one with 16 LFOS, other one for my live set with cv/gates, triggers some s&h, noise and lfos and the best one I'm using now... A template for my Elements, controlling each 14 cv inputs independently, making some really complex patterns from a simple long midi clip in Ableton nanners

I have more template uses in mind, like one for E350, Mutable Shelves and others, I think is a great partner for modules that have lots of cv inputs, for create complex controlled patterns, that are saved in a simple midi clip in the computer
kstl
Next stop is try with some Ipad apps that can control those parameters, and use with some random Reaktor sequencers and Numerology, imo the best software sequencer out.

Lot of stuff in mind, so little time... very frustrating
loowfizzz
So I love just playing with my small system on the couch:

loowfizzz
kstl wrote:
Next stop is try with some Ipad apps that can control those parameters, and use with some random Reaktor sequencers and Numerology, imo the best software sequencer out.

Lot of stuff in mind, so little time... very frustrating


Oh Numerology looks really cool fur the Shuttle Control! And it has Ableton Push und Launchpad Support.

I will try that when I have time again - thanks for the advice!
papertiger
kstl wrote:
Next stop is try with some Ipad apps that can control those parameters, and use with some random Reaktor sequencers and Numerology, imo the best software sequencer out.

Lot of stuff in mind, so little time... very frustrating


Numerology is super fun to use with the modular. I've been experimenting with that this week. It's nice to be able to label modulators, too, since it's so easy to get carried away. smile

Jim at Five12 is also incredibly responsive if you ever have any questions, etc.!
scottmoon
Already posted this to another thread but maybe some will find this useful. Using the Shuttle as 16 LFO sines to modulate a bunch of parameters. I'm going to set up a patch for sequencing from my iPad next.

Robscorch
This thing is bonkers I will have to acquire one after I get onboard Endorphine.Es airways. I still want Terminal first then I will be adding shuttle to my set up for sure. I'm looking at this like I need to get the the heavens before I can step up into space. something wonderful
scottmoon
Another test of the Shuttle. This time running 4 different sequences from an iPad running the Xynthesizr app.

loowfizzz
[quote="scottmoon"]Another test of the Shuttle. This time running 4 different sequences from an iPad running the Xynthesizr app.

Hey scottmoon - cool video! As I got my Shuttle I was searching for used iPads but then I had this cool Ableton Setup.

Maybe I start searching again....
scottmoon
[quote="loowfizzz"]
scottmoon wrote:
Another test of the Shuttle. This time running 4 different sequences from an iPad running the Xynthesizr app.

Hey scottmoon - cool video! As I got my Shuttle I was searching for used iPads but then I had this cool Ableton Setup.

Maybe I start searching again....


You don't have to ude an iPad. A computer will work with the right software and a browser for programming. I've used both so far.
phosfiend
How's the latency from a computer? I mean, it's USB>MIDI>CV so it's not going to be snappy like SilentWay, but usable? Acceptably playable?
mafouka
Is this module able to supply phantom power to a Korg MicroKey USB keyboard?
kstl
phosfiend wrote:
How's the latency from a computer? I mean, it's USB>MIDI>CV so it's not going to be snappy like SilentWay, but usable? Acceptably playable?


I did a live set this weekend with this setup, and sincerely, didn't notice any latency in any sequence coming from the laptop, and used it for rhythms + synth sequences
phosfiend
Awesome, cheers. This and the FH1 are battling it out in my mind
scottmoon
I just finished building this new case being powered by the Shuttle Control. I had to carefully choose the modules as I didn't want to draw more current than it can supply.



Here's a little video of my first run with it.

vaxoid
mafouka wrote:
Is this module able to supply phantom power to a Korg MicroKey USB keyboard?

Sure. I'm powering my BassStation II and it's works perfectly as usb/midi host via single usb cable.
loowfizzz
scottmoon wrote:
You don't have to ude an iPad. A computer will work with the right software and a browser for programming. I've used both so far.


Yes I know but the iPad has so many nice sequencer-apps.

At this time I have a nice Ableton Live/Push combo running in my SC!
scottmoon
loowfizzz wrote:
scottmoon wrote:
You don't have to ude an iPad. A computer will work with the right software and a browser for programming. I've used both so far.


Yes I know but the iPad has so many nice sequencer-apps.

At this time I have a nice Ableton Live/Push combo running in my SC!


What are your favorites? I'm always open to new Apps.
loowfizzz
scottmoon wrote:
What are your favorites? I'm always open to new Apps.


For playing I am really interested in TC Data and Lemur and for sequencing I think Auxy and Modstep is the way to go!
Hazza26
Noob setting up first system here, trying to work out whether to go for Shuttle Control or ES-3.

I have an unused ADAT 8 channel out ready to go.

So obvious plus points for this are USB connection so I could plug in my iPad, also power source. Negative - more expensive.

So trying to understand how communication would work with my DAW (Logic)... I would set up the USB output as a MIDI Instrument, send CC or note data which is then transmitted as varying voltages out of the CV outs? Is there then potentially a quantising/zipping issue with 1-127 CC data resolution?

How does if compare operationally to Expert Sleepers (which btw I have also not used) if I want to set up tempo-synced LFOs etc? Is there anything that Expert Sleepers can do which I'd be missing out on?

Can I transmit audio to it as well as MIDI / CV?

Sorry for all the questions!
guestt
I'm totally in love... gotta get me one of these - totally wicked! FH1 was on the cards, but with this there's no need for a double host resolver to connect an iPad. Win! thumbs up
Hazza26
Great stuff... What's the issue with the double host resolver? How does this win over the FH-1? Just watched the NAMM vid and that also looks super tasty.
guestt
Hazza26 wrote:
Great stuff... What's the issue with the double host resolver? How does this win over the FH-1? Just watched the NAMM vid and that also looks super tasty.


Both the FH-1 and the iPad act as USB hosts, i.e. you can't connect them directly to one another, erm, because they both want to be host; you need something like the iConnectMidi2+ to connect the two.

Nothing wrong with FH-1 - it's just not what I am looking for whereas the Shuttle Control hits the nail on the head - I've literally been dreaming about such a module so it is a dream come true - doesn't happen that often hey wink

Edit: I didn't dream about being able to connect an iPad and a usb device, so it's even better than that! Yeah... I'm excited!

Lemur > Modular This is fun!
Hazza26
Ah ok, so you can plug the iPad straight into the Shuttle Control but not into the FH-1.
geremyf
Does anyone have a price. Originally I thought it was $299 but then I heard $499?
scottmoon
Yes it's $499 versus $279 for the FH-1 but you get 16 CVs and can connect to an iPad directly while also using a USB controller and one more USB socket for a lamp (5v), plus you can power a small to medium rack. It will also connect to a computer if you don't want to use an iPad. This is what I'm using it for right now https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/186009
loowfizzz
scottmoon wrote:
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/186009


I love the artrack!
Hazza26
Not sure whether to post this here of in the FH-1 thread, don't want to piss on anyone's fire... but could anyone help clarify the differences between these 2 units?

From my understanding..
FH-1
fixed MIDI implementation (i.e. you have to set your controller to transmit the CCs etc that FH-1 requires)
Yet comes preconfigured for 2 way communication with 3rd party controllers (only Launchpad so far)
8 channel (+expander if needed)
Needs connection kit to use iPad

Shuttle Control
definable MIDI implementation via web page
No preconfigured setups for 3rd party controllers
16 channel
Ipad plugs straight in, multiple simultaneous USB connections
Power source

Anyone else had experience of both? What else am I missing?

Many thanks

p.s. happy to start new SC vs FH-1 thread if my Muff etiquette is poor! neutral
GoraSou
just to make sure i get this right ( sorry if if it has been asked before) will this work if i just connect it to my laptop? as like a really realy powerful midiinterface?
GoraSou
I take that question back, just reading the manual. awesome module...
scottmoon
loowfizzz wrote:
scottmoon wrote:
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/186009


I love the artrack!


I did that quite some time ago. Never thought anyone would notice it. Mr. Green
kstl
Hazza26 wrote:
Not sure whether to post this here of in the Shuttle Control thread, don't want to piss on anyone's fire... but could anyone help clarify the differences between these 2 units?

From my understanding..
FH-1
fixed MIDI implementation (i.e. you have to set your controller to transmit the CCs etc that FH-1 requires)
Yet comes preconfigured for 2 way communication with 3rd party controllers (only Launchpad so far)
8 channel (+expander if needed)
Needs connection kit to use iPad

Shuttle Control
definable MIDI implementation via web page
No preconfigured setups for 3rd party controllers
16 channel
Ipad plugs straight in, multiple simultaneous USB connections
Power source

Anyone else had experience of both? What else am I missing?

Many thanks

p.s. happy to start new SC vs FH-1 thread if my Muff etiquette is poor! neutral


Basically yes, I was tempted with FH-1 before know about the SC. Sincerely SC is a really really powerful module, I'm using both live and in studio a lot recently Rockin' Banana!
myecholalia
This looks very promising. Would love to buy but seems that it's sold out everywhere.
If someone knows of a secret source that still has availability, pm me hihi
phosfiend
Hazza26 wrote:
Not sure whether to post this here of in the FH-1 thread, don't want to piss on anyone's fire... but could anyone help clarify the differences between these 2 units?

From my understanding..
FH-1
fixed MIDI implementation (i.e. you have to set your controller to transmit the CCs etc that FH-1 requires)
Yet comes preconfigured for 2 way communication with 3rd party controllers (only Launchpad so far)
8 channel (+expander if needed)
Needs connection kit to use iPad

Shuttle Control
definable MIDI implementation via web page
No preconfigured setups for 3rd party controllers
16 channel
Ipad plugs straight in, multiple simultaneous USB connections
Power source

Anyone else had experience of both? What else am I missing?

Many thanks

p.s. happy to start new SC vs FH-1 thread if my Muff etiquette is poor! neutral


From my understanding:

You can plug a computer or just about anything into the SC without an adapter.

With the FH1, adapters are required, including for connection to a PC? I think?

While the FH1 has crazy expandability, the SC seems a lot more elegant. I think I may go for the latter, but still looking to do a bit more research and hear from others.

The built in power supply in the SC is a bonus, but not a selling point to me. If I could buy the module without it (and save money) I would consider it.
os
Hazza26 wrote:

FH-1
fixed MIDI implementation (i.e. you have to set your controller to transmit the CCs etc that FH-1 requires)

FWIW the next FH-1 firmware update allows configuration at the FH-1 end.

(edit: removed sales pitch in competitor's thread. sorry!)
Hazza26
Thanks for the info Os.. Few more questions in another thread to avoid treading on anyone's toes smile
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1959236
echoplex
is anybody here using the shuttle control together with an octatrack?
I am still looking for a solution to fully implement my octatrack in my modularsystem.
for example I would love to use 2 midi tracks of the octatrack just for sending triggers to the shuttle control .. so I can use the powerfull sequencer for sending rythmical triggers to trigger some envelopes in my modular or whatever..is that possible?
and then of course some "classical" sequencing, like sequencing my oscilators from the octatrack via shuttle control...etc
and last question: how would it be possible to connect the octatrack directly to the shuttle control?
I know the octatrack has USB but can I use that for this purpose or will a USB to MIDI cable to that job?

thanks oops
echoplex
nobody?
scottmoon
Sorry no, but it seems to work fine with a Beatstep Pro. Boat
kstl
echoplex wrote:
is anybody here using the shuttle control together with an octatrack?
I am still looking for a solution to fully implement my octatrack in my modularsystem.
for example I would love to use 2 midi tracks of the octatrack just for sending triggers to the shuttle control .. so I can use the powerfull sequencer for sending rythmical triggers to trigger some envelopes in my modular or whatever..is that possible?
and then of course some "classical" sequencing, like sequencing my oscilators from the octatrack via shuttle control...etc
and last question: how would it be possible to connect the octatrack directly to the shuttle control?
I know the octatrack has USB but can I use that for this purpose or will a USB to MIDI cable to that job?

thanks oops


Hi echoplex, I'm just back from holidays, just reading your message, I will try that because I want to use that setup for my live really soon also with Octa + Rytm and without laptop. Let me do it tonight or tomorrow, and will post here my thoughts/results thumbs up
echoplex
further question for shuttle control users:
is there a "random" output? ..if so, how can I control the speed of random fired voltages? the manual says:

Quote:
3. LFO S&H
– same as at generators above, but generates random sampled and hold wave that samples values from built-in
white noise generator at a frequency controlled by selected CC number. The output voltages range is -5...+5V. Adding a few
more S&H generators to other CV outputs even if they are controlled with same CC number, will give all and random waves to
all defined CV outputs. I.e., those generators will not duplicate each other.
kstl
I did some testing today, unfortunately Octatrack does not work with SC for send sequencer data, because it doesn't send data over USB, only through midi out.

Rytm and A4/AK yes, thumbs up
kstl
echoplex wrote:
further question for shuttle control users:
is there a "random" output? ..if so, how can I control the speed of random fired voltages? the manual says:

Quote:
3. LFO S&H
– same as at generators above, but generates random sampled and hold wave that samples values from built-in
white noise generator at a frequency controlled by selected CC number. The output voltages range is -5...+5V. Adding a few
more S&H generators to other CV outputs even if they are controlled with same CC number, will give all and random waves to
all defined CV outputs. I.e., those generators will not duplicate each other.



Exactly like manual says, you choose the CC number for control the frequency in the cargo editor and then send it over the midi channel you selected. It goes from 300hz (CC max value of 127) to 1 minute (CC min value of 0). It works really well for complex patches from ableton clips nanners
guestt
kstl wrote:
I did some testing today, unfortunately Octatrack does not work with SC for send sequencer data, because it doesn't send data over USB, only through midi out.

Rytm and A4/AK yes, thumbs up


Hey kstl,

I knew about the Octatrack not sending midi data over USB, but I'm kinda surprised to hear that the A4 RYTM do! Is this something new?

There's loads of posts on this, but here's a fairly comprehensive summary of how folks feel about the A4 and midi (or lack of it):

http://www.elektronauts.com/topics/view/6019/60497/page:3#60497

Octatrack should work with a USB/Midi adapter via the midi ports. I'll see if I can find my adapter cable and give it a try.

p.s. Shuttle Control so far is amazing, I'm still working out what's what but so far everything seems good connecting iPad directly to my modular and powering my entire second box (6U 84hp) - w00t!! screaming goo yo
Hazza26
Has anyone tried running USB MIDI from a Mac/PC into one of these yet?
Hazza26
Also is there a way to route audio through the USB connection to the outputs?
guestt
Hazza26 wrote:
Also is there a way to route audio through the USB connection to the outputs?


Interesting... would be great!

I thought about this in some sense, but didn't think about running it back through the USB cable. It's a good idea, I'd be a little worried about levels though.

As it is I have the following setup:

iPad -> CCK -> USB Hub -> Shuttle Control
-> Sound card with Midi IO (UA-22)

Octatrack -> Yarns -> Midi to CV for Modular and Midi Out to UA-22
-> Midi In on UA-22 for sync

Audio Interface II -> Audio ins on OT

The audio from the UA-22 can be routed to either the modular via the AI II or straight into the OT.

Oh and a QuNexus on the USB host on the SC, but this actually doesn't make much sense, going to use the CV outs and try hooking up the Biststream on the USB host for the SC.

It works perfectly, everything is perfectly in sync and the sampling is as tight as ever on the OT. I'm absolutely delighted with this setup thumbs up
Hazza26
Well call me bananas but I just threw caution to the wind and ordered one of these for my starter setup instead of a 4MS Row & ES-3 smile

What PSU are people using? Does it come with a flying bus cable?
jzwoopwoop
Hazza26 wrote:
Also is there a way to route audio through the USB connection to the outputs?


I don't believe there is. I don't have a Shuttle Control, but I did ask this question in a separate thread (see: here). Shuttle Control would be an IMMEDIATE purchase for me if it could do that. As it is, I've already got a solid midi-to-cv converter module (HexInverter Midi2CV), and while the USB connectivity option that Shuttle Control provides would be nice, it's not a must-have considering my soundcard as midi IO.
Hazza26
Just read the manual.. the glaring omission seems to be that LFOs can't be synced to MIDI Clock. Can't think why they would have forgotten this?
kstl
Baddcr wrote:
kstl wrote:
I did some testing today, unfortunately Octatrack does not work with SC for send sequencer data, because it doesn't send data over USB, only through midi out.

Rytm and A4/AK yes, thumbs up


Hey kstl,

I knew about the Octatrack not sending midi data over USB, but I'm kinda surprised to hear that the A4 RYTM do! Is this something new?

There's loads of posts on this, but here's a fairly comprehensive summary of how folks feel about the A4 and midi (or lack of it):

http://www.elektronauts.com/topics/view/6019/60497/page:3#60497

Octatrack should work with a USB/Midi adapter via the midi ports. I'll see if I can find my adapter cable and give it a try.

p.s. Shuttle Control so far is amazing, I'm still working out what's what but so far everything seems good connecting iPad directly to my modular and powering my entire second box (6U 84hp) - w00t!! screaming goo yo


Not sure about A4 because I have the AK, but Rytm sends midi over usb to SC. I didn't setup a template yet, but tried to connect with the usb cable and SC screen flash as receiving midi signal. I will try a template asap
jzwoopwoop
Hazza26 wrote:
Just read the manual.. the glaring omission seems to be that LFOs can't be synced to MIDI Clock. Can't think why they would have forgotten this?


Are you saying that the LFOs can be synced to MIDI clock and the glaring omission is that this feature (as well as instructions for implementing it) wasn't mentioned in the manual? Or that the glaring omission is that this capability doesn't exist?
Hazza26
No the manual is very clear - you can't sync the LFOs to MIDI Clock!
jzwoopwoop
Hazza26 wrote:
No the manual is very clear - you can't sync the LFOs to MIDI Clock!


Gotchya, thanks. I so want to purchase this module, but the more and more I read about it, the more it's looking this is not for me.
echoplex
@kstl:

try using octatracks midi-out to send data to SC not USB!
I know that it works .. would be so helpfull for me to know if I can send just triggers via the octatracks sequencer to the SC to trigger envelopes..if anyone wants to test that razz
Hazza26
jzwoopwoop wrote:
Gotchya, thanks. I so want to purchase this module, but the more and more I read about it, the more it's looking this is not for me.

Well, I think I'm sticking with my order. As long as the timing is solid I feel like it's the most full-featured interface. Being able to connect up Logic and my iPad simultaneously would be amazing (note sequencing/clock from Logic and a whole screen of CV faders in Lemur?). But also being able to noodle around on the iPad independent of the computer - best of both worlds.

I have emailed Endorphin to request / ask if they are likely to implement it (and audio over USB). In the mean time if I need a clock-synced LFO I can grab it from another module (from my setup I think Maths, Disting and maybe URA are up to the task?).

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/174989
echoplex
Hazza26 wrote:

I have emailed Endorphin to request / ask if they are likely to implement it (and audio over USB)...


please post their reply here ! thumbs up
Hazza26
For sure!
Hazza26
Does anyone know if the current draw figures apply if the unit is plugged into a PSU? Or is it just for when powered via a flying bus cable?
kstl
echoplex wrote:
@kstl:

try using octatracks midi-out to send data to SC not USB!
I know that it works .. would be so helpfull for me to know if I can send just triggers via the octatracks sequencer to the SC to trigger envelopes..if anyone wants to test that razz


I don't know what you mean, SC only receives midi over usb, it doesn't have any midi in. You can only do that with a midi to usb converter
echoplex
kstl wrote:
echoplex wrote:
@kstl:

try using octatracks midi-out to send data to SC not USB!
I know that it works .. would be so helpfull for me to know if I can send just triggers via the octatracks sequencer to the SC to trigger envelopes..if anyone wants to test that razz


I don't know what you mean, SC only receives midi over usb, it doesn't have any midi in. You can only do that with a midi to usb converter


jesus lol d'oh!
http://www.thomann.de/gb/terrasoniq_midi_one.htm
kstl
I will try that, will work for sure for what you want lol thumbs up
Hazza26
Oh crikey, Macs and iPads are both listed as connecting "to device".. does that mean I can't plug a Mac and iPad into the device port simultaneously? Maybe I could use a hub?
guestt
kstl wrote:
Baddcr wrote:
kstl wrote:
I did some testing today, unfortunately Octatrack does not work with SC for send sequencer data, because it doesn't send data over USB, only through midi out.

Rytm and A4/AK yes, thumbs up


Hey kstl,

I knew about the Octatrack not sending midi data over USB, but I'm kinda surprised to hear that the A4 RYTM do! Is this something new?

There's loads of posts on this, but here's a fairly comprehensive summary of how folks feel about the A4 and midi (or lack of it):

http://www.elektronauts.com/topics/view/6019/60497/page:3#60497

Octatrack should work with a USB/Midi adapter via the midi ports. I'll see if I can find my adapter cable and give it a try.

p.s. Shuttle Control so far is amazing, I'm still working out what's what but so far everything seems good connecting iPad directly to my modular and powering my entire second box (6U 84hp) - w00t!! screaming goo yo


Not sure about A4 because I have the AK, but Rytm sends midi over usb to SC. I didn't setup a template yet, but tried to connect with the usb cable and SC screen flash as receiving midi signal. I will try a template asap


Great!

I haven't tried yet, but I will, it is entirely possible this has changed recently. I need to upgrade all my machines to work with Overbridge anyway!

===

Interesting note about the sync and LFO's I hadn't noticed that, but then, that's not why I bought this module wink
jzwoopwoop
echoplex wrote:
jesus lol d'oh!
http://www.thomann.de/gb/terrasoniq_midi_one.htm


Super classy to make fun of someone you're asking help from AND suggest that they pay to acquire something just in the name of answering your question.
jzwoopwoop
Hazza26 wrote:
Well, I think I'm sticking with my order. As long as the timing is solid I feel like it's the most full-featured interface. Being able to connect up Logic and my iPad simultaneously would be amazing (note sequencing/clock from Logic and a whole screen of CV faders in Lemur?). But also being able to noodle around on the iPad independent of the computer - best of both worlds.

I have emailed Endorphin to request / ask if they are likely to implement it (and audio over USB). In the mean time if I need a clock-synced LFO I can grab it from another module (from my setup I think Maths, Disting and maybe URA are up to the task?).

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/174989


Oh totally. I don't mean to be too down on Shuttle Control (or FH-1). I can absolutely see the value of being computer-less. For my personal setup though, it's just not that much of an advantage over what I'm doing now: routing midi from ipad through computer to soundcard to midi-to-cv module. (I don't gig so my modular is pretty much always stationary next to my computer in my home studio.)

Ultimately though, I think I'm just looking for these modules to do too much. I would love love love for one module to be able to handle midi/cc routing via ipad AND also an audio-send / fx return directly from the ipad. To me, the LFOs, gates, triggers, and psu that the Shuttle Control offer are all nice bells & whistles, but they're not as integral as being able to do an audio-send directly from ipad (a la Audio Damage ODIO.) If someone created a version of ODIO with extra outs, that would be the big, big winner for me.

Also, please keep us posted on any news you receive from Endorphin about implementing midi sync for LFOs and audio over usb! Thanks!
echoplex
jzwoopwoop wrote:

Super classy to make fun of someone you're asking help from AND suggest that they pay to acquire something just in the name of answering your question.

Super classy to not get my jokes and the fact that it wasn't the first communication with him and I think he gets me wink baa-dumm-ts
jzwoopwoop
echoplex wrote:
jzwoopwoop wrote:

Super classy to make fun of someone you're asking help from AND suggest that they pay to acquire something just in the name of answering your question.

Super classy to not get my jokes and the fact that it wasn't the first communication with him and I think he gets me wink baa-dumm-ts


Fair nuff. My bad. Sorry echoplex!
echoplex
those who use the octatrack with the SC.. which cable should I buy

http://www.thomann.de/de/miditech_midilinkmini.htm#bewertung

or


http://www.thomann.de/de/terrasoniq_midi_one.htm

not sure about the two directions on the first one?
or doesn't it matter.. I only need one direction: octatrack -> shuttle control
polyoptics
Is there any way to send midi out of SC?

I would like to run my clock in from op1 to SC. Then run clock out of SC to a hardware drum machine. Im trying to avoid a third device (iconnect etc).

I'm always trying to find a way to do this....
Thanks!

Edit: I see from the manual some tips on building a custom midi cable for this, so I think that answers my question.
polyoptics
In the manual, the power it supplies is stated as around 700 on the -12.

Is it possible to get closer to 800-900 on the -12, safely?
Hazza26
I forgot to update with Andreas @ Endorphin.es's reply to my email.

Re tempo-synced LFOs:
"current LFOs are free-running - as is. We are preparing for the new firmware update to include new features and maybe fix some bugs. releasing frequent updates isn't good etiquete from our opinion since new firmware depend on the web-editor. Some people may still use first firwmare revisions but new features require updated editor. that's why we prepare some huge update with worth additions. LFO-generators controlled with a tap of a certain note and velocity of a certain note - are first in the list.
firmware update is pretty easy - just a usb cable and small untility (official one from STMicroelectronics) for PC."

Re audio over USB:
"technically all outputs are designed exceptionally for output and for CV only.
Each half of all CV outputs are clocked (multiplexed) to a 8 CV channels each by 10khz sample rate (12 bit) which is far enough for CV but isn't good for audio.
However thanks for asking - we have to re- consider the audio output option (even making an addional sub-module), but still have to weight if it's worth compete with Behringer FCA1616, TASCAM US-16x08 or something.
The update will include all features we didn't put in the initial release. However at least all the aforesaid features plus maybe a few new ones (like midi thru) are to be implemented. "

He also assured me that USB latency would be negligible.
echoplex
can somebody who has both SC and Doepfer A-198 Ribbon Controller tell me if it works to plug the ribbon directly into the SC?
Would be interesting to know before buying a doepfer ribbon blind help
scottmoon
I have the SC and the Doepfer R2M but I'm afraid to try it with the ribbon directly connected to the SC. I don't think it would send the correct information. Maybe I'll get the courage later.
echoplex
scottmoon wrote:
I have the SC and the Doepfer R2M but I'm afraid to try it with the ribbon directly connected to the SC. I don't think it would send the correct information. Maybe I'll get the courage later.


would be freakin' awesome if you could test that.. I even expect that to work.
but don't be afraid .. you cannot damage anything.
worst case is that it just doesn't work
scottmoon
echoplex wrote:
scottmoon wrote:
I have the SC and the Doepfer R2M but I'm afraid to try it with the ribbon directly connected to the SC. I don't think it would send the correct information. Maybe I'll get the courage later.


would be freakin' awesome if you could test that.. I even expect that to work.
but don't be afraid .. you cannot damage anything.
worst case is that it just doesn't work


Plugged it in. Nothing happens. Doesn't seem to transmit anything.
echoplex
damn! what a shame.. I was super excited.. anyway, thanks alot !! thumbs up
Fractaltctrl
echoplex wrote:
those who use the octatrack with the SC.. which cable should I buy

http://www.thomann.de/de/miditech_midilinkmini.htm#bewertung

or


http://www.thomann.de/de/terrasoniq_midi_one.htm

not sure about the two directions on the first one?
or doesn't it matter.. I only need one direction: octatrack -> shuttle control


Have you tried it yet? There also this one http://www.iconnectivity.com/products/midi/mio ...

This should definately work http://www.kentonuk.com/products/items/utilities/usb-host.shtml but interested in knowing if one of those midi to usb cables do the trick...
CliffordMilk
I use the Terrasoniq MIDI /USB cable with the Octatrack. Works perfectly.
phosfiend
Where are people getting these in North America? Want one bad
guestt
That Terrasoniq MIDI /USB cable looks realy handy - thanks for mentioning it!! thumbs up

I'm powering my whole second 6U 84hp box with this little baby - wicked stuff smile

Great to hear there is an update on the way and other options are being considered by Endorphin.es This is fun!
echoplex
can anybody post a link to a PSU/laptop power brick I can buy to use with the SC?
preferably from conrad or something in Germany/EU ... thanks
guestt
I just used the one that I had powering my uZeus:

http://www.rubadub.co.uk/tiptop-audio-15v-2000ma-external-power-supply -uzeus

Nice straightforward swap out; it felt great to swap out 4hp of 'wasted space' for something that is actually useful - ok - wasted space apart from providing power thumbs up
scottmoon
Baddcr wrote:
I just used the one that I had powering my uZeus:

http://www.rubadub.co.uk/tiptop-audio-15v-2000ma-external-power-supply -uzeus

Nice straightforward swap out; it felt great to swap out 4hp of 'wasted space' for something that is actually useful - ok - wasted space apart from providing power thumbs up


I did that until I got a beefier power supply. The UZeus wall wart got pretty hot! This is what I ended up getting. Might be overkill but it's more reliable than some of the cheap ones online. I found it for $39 + shipping but I don't know if it's available in Germany/EU.
http://www.newark.com/artesyn-embedded-technologies/dps53-m/adaptor-ac -dc-medical-12v-5a/dp/01M7355?ost=01M7355&mckv=nlcgFYz2&CMP=KNC-GUSA-G EN-SHOPPING-ARTESYN-EMBEDDED-TECHNOLOGIES&CAGPSPN=pla&gclid=CITd1NqF68 YCFQmNaQodwVwELA&CAWELAID=120185550000928737
Hazza26
This is the one recommended by Endorphin.es (according to London Modular):

http://www.rapidonline.com/Electrical-Power/Ansmann-2101-0043-UK-Deskt op-PSU-5-12-VDC-60W-18-2544
guestt
scottmoon wrote:
Baddcr wrote:
I just used the one that I had powering my uZeus:

http://www.rubadub.co.uk/tiptop-audio-15v-2000ma-external-power-supply -uzeus

Nice straightforward swap out; it felt great to swap out 4hp of 'wasted space' for something that is actually useful - ok - wasted space apart from providing power thumbs up


I did that until I got a beefier power supply. The UZeus wall wart got pretty hot! This is what I ended up getting. Might be overkill but it's more reliable than some of the cheap ones online. I found it for $39 + shipping but I don't know if it's available in Germany/EU.
http://www.newark.com/artesyn-embedded-technologies/dps53-m/adaptor-ac -dc-medical-12v-5a/dp/01M7355?ost=01M7355&mckv=nlcgFYz2&CMP=KNC-GUSA-G EN-SHOPPING-ARTESYN-EMBEDDED-TECHNOLOGIES&CAGPSPN=pla&gclid=CITd1NqF68 YCFQmNaQodwVwELA&CAWELAID=120185550000928737


Just to clarify, the link I posted is not the standard uZeus wall wart, it's the upgraded 2A one, which is absolutely fine.

Did anyone else notice that the original manual had mention of there being a wall wart included?
echoplex
is it possible to map the shuttle control via my mac book and firefox via usb?
i dont have an ipad angry
guestt
echoplex wrote:
is it possible to map the shuttle control via my mac book and firefox via usb?
i dont have an ipad angry


Should be fine ...

Want me to check to make sure? I have the gears!
echoplex
Baddcr wrote:
echoplex wrote:
is it possible to map the shuttle control via my mac book and firefox via usb?
i dont have an ipad angry


Should be fine ...

Want me to check to make sure? I have the gears!


would be ace .. ! I owe you one
guestt
echoplex wrote:
Baddcr wrote:
echoplex wrote:
is it possible to map the shuttle control via my mac book and firefox via usb?
i dont have an ipad angry


Should be fine ...

Want me to check to make sure? I have the gears!


would be ace .. ! I owe you one


No worries...

I have MBA, tried this with Safari and Firefox.

File saved to Dropbox no problem, it creates a new folder called 'Saves'

Uses Sysex Librarian to make the transfer, it's simply a case of playing the saved .mid file - it's very easy!

http://www.snoize.com/SysExLibrarian/

All working just fine thumbs up
echoplex
anyone here using the shuttle control together with ableton on a mac?
do you go with a USB cable straight to the octatrack or via midi interface?
Phil999
I'm not using Ableton or Octatrack, but what I can say is that you can send MIDI from the computer ("to device" connector) and from a MIDI controller ("to host" connector). Sometimes I connect a keyboard, iPad, or QuNeo directly to SC, sometimes I connect them to the computer and route MIDI to SC.

This module is very versatile and flexible for handling MIDI-to-CV.
slumberjack
hmm am i right thinking this would work as a second cv interface for a cirklon trough cirklons usb midi channels?
hpsounds
Can an Shuttle Control and MI Braids owner make a test for me ?

Shuttle Control configuration



MIDI informations that have to be sent to MI Braids + Maths + VCA via Shuttle Control

The note + velocity have to be sent at exactly the same time as the MIDI CC1.
Do you hear a "shift" in sound due to a latency when the MIDI CC1-to-CV is generated ? BTW, this question is link to a latency problem I have using an ES-3 + ES-5 + Silent Way, more informations in this topic.



I'm thinking to exchange my ES-3 + ES-5 for a Shuttle Control. But before, I need to know if what I'm trying to do is possible. I'm also a bit worry about the USB/MIDI-to-CV latency of the Shuttle Control.

Thanks for your help ! we're not worthy

H.
guestt
slumberjack wrote:
hmm am i right thinking this would work as a second cv interface for a cirklon trough cirklons usb midi channels?


I don't know, but my guess would be yes!

So far I've plugged in an iPad, iPhone, Quneo and Bitstream - they all work well!

Mate has a Cirklon, maybe I can test, but it's probably going to be the end of November or something by the time I can let you know.
tyuss
Hi, I'm a newbie in the modular word.
I recently bought a shuttle control, I read a lot of times the manual but the only results for me is to send a pitch control to one VCO from out1 of shuttle control (using ableton).
How can i control 2 or more different voices with ableton?
How can i control different drum voices with the shuttle control?

There is some tutorial, example or similar?

Thanks.
scottmoon
Have you tried programming it through http://cargo.endorphin.es/index.php

There's a ton of possibilities there. One of my favorite patches is controlling 16 LFOs with a Novation Launch Control.
tyuss
Thanks Scottmoon, the problem was in the programming, I re-tried with a different midi player (not Ableton because don't send sysex) and now it works!

we're not worthy

Very powerful and useful module.
phosfiend
Another tip re:sysex - weirdly I have a very long (but convenient for me) USB cable that will transmit midi but not Sysex properly? Was pulling my hair out until I tried a shorter one - works like a charm. Love this module.
hpsounds
Regarding my question some posts above:

Quote:
The note + velocity have to be sent at exactly the same time as the MIDI CC1.
Do you hear a "shift" in sound due to a latency when the MIDI CC1-to-CV is generated ? BTW, this question is link to a latency problem I have using an ES-3 + ES-5 + Silent Way.


OS from Expert Sleepers has updated the Silent Way plug-in suite (v2.5.1) some weeks ago. Now, the LUA scripts allow to control the offset via MIDI CC, and the timing is perfect for my ears.

Rockin' Banana!

H.
polyoptics
Whats the best way to get hold of one of these in the US?
jzwoopwoop
I've been curious about the Shuttle Control since it was first announced but haven't pulled the trigger yet. Wondering if any SC owners out there can share more about their connectivity set ups, since as of now that's the main thing I'm hesitant / unsure about...

The manual shows that both computers and ipads should connect to SC via the To Device connection, but that the SC can simultaneously accept midi from a midicontroller via one of the To Host connections. So does that mean that I could hook my Macbook Pro up to SC via the To Device port while also sending midi from ipad via one of the To Host connections?

The reason I ask about this specific setup is because I'm curious how people manage SC setups that include a laptop and a soundcard? My soundcard (Scarlett Focusrite 8i6) occupies one of the two USB ports on my Macbook Pro, so if the SC uses the other USB port then I can't route midi from ipad through my Macbook -- both Macbook and ipad would need to send midi simultaneously. (Yes, of course I could do one or the other, but that's not fun.)

Lastly, wondering if anyone who does even more advanced midi routing with a SC somewhere in the chain can talk about their setup? If I am able to use Macbook (both receiving and sending midi from soundcard) and ipad simultaneously, then I could also put midi clock signals through the soundcard - which would be killer for sync'ing my Tempest. Is anyone using a setup like that with a SC?

EDIT: To provide a bit more clarity, would love if someone could confirm whether SC can support a midi chain that's something like this...

Ableton provides master clock.
Macbook Pro -> Shuttle Control (via usb To Device port)
ipad -> Shuttle Control (via usb To Host port)
Macbook Pro -> Soundcard (usb connection) -> Tempest (midi port)

My hope would be that all those things happen simultaneously, while I then record audio back into soundcard.

Thanks all in advance for the help!
guestt
May I humbly suggest using a USB hub for your mac?? This is fun!

I have one of the Thunderbolt screens and whenever I connect my MBA to it it automatically connects all the peripherals to it through the built in expansion ports. Same deal with a USB hub smile
jzwoopwoop
Baddcr wrote:
May I humbly suggest using a USB hub for your mac?? This is fun!

I have one of the Thunderbolt screens and whenever I connect my MBA to it it automatically connects all the peripherals to it through the built in expansion ports. Same deal with a USB hub smile


Fair nuff re: the usb hub suggestion. I've actually got a simple lil usb hub already, but midi over usb is already flaky enough - I'd rather cut down as much as possible on the amount of extra gear in my midi routing.

Baddcr, didn't you also ask about connecting ipad and macbook simultaneously to SC earlier in this thread? Or am I thinking of someone else? If nothing else, would love to know if anyone has successfully done that with SC.
guestt
I know what you are saying, I was most incensed when Propellorheads introduced the dongle thingy, I was in a studio with no internet connection at the time and it meant I had to carry yet another box and an extra lead around with me for no perceivable gain whatsoever just to pander to Propellorheads fear of piracy, I thought it was nothing more than total disrespect towards paying customers and it pretty much made me stop using their software - hey every gram counts when you're a travelling musician grin

It is worth buying a proper USB hub, there's plenty of really good ones and it's a bus, so technically there should be no performance degradation - although that is questionable I guess.

I might have, I haven't looked. Sometimes I get these ideas and I think oh wouldn't it be great if I could do this, but usually I'm blowing air out of my ass... I haven't tried it yet anyway - if no one else jumps in with an answer I'll do it for you, maybe Wednesday or Thursday by the time I have the time to do it though It's peanut butter jelly time!
guestt
Actually, I've just remembered I have to update to the new firmware too... meant to do it last week, but got distracted with too many other things! So yes, definitely a SC day coming up very soon smile
jzwoopwoop
Baddcr wrote:
if no one else jumps in with an answer I'll do it for you, maybe Wednesday or Thursday by the time I have the time to do it though It's peanut butter jelly time!


No worries, good sir - whenever you're able to would be splendid! Not like anyone in the US has it in stock anyway so I can't buy it all that soon (or suggest wife buy it for me for holidays!)

In any case, thanks for the help!
jzwoopwoop
So I also emailed Endorphin.es directly to get their take. I'll post their entire reply once they've given me an ok to do so (thought that would be more polite than just posting it right away without asking).

But they pointed out what should've been obvious to me: an ipad CAN be hooked up to SC via TO HOST port, but would require an intermediate device like iConnectMidi as both the ipad and the SC (through this port) want to act as the Host device. This is the same issue that Expert Sleepers FH-1 has. So to best utilize ipad with SC, it needs to use the TO DEVICE port.

I don't think this is dissuading me from getting the SC. Really, I just wish my Macbook Pro had more than two usb ports!
jzwoopwoop
Andreas at Endorphin.es gave me the ok to post his reply...

Let's define first how all the devices may be connected to the Shuttle. As you may see from the manual (page 4), Shuttle can acquire ipad/mac/pc from TO DEVICE connector. TO HOST connector is a bit different and totally opposite what TO DEVICE is - just like your pc/mac for other USB-MIDI devices acts.
You may hook second ipad/pc/mac via TO HOST connector HOWEVER you have to use some adapter, like iConnect+
Both TO HOST and TO DEVICE work simultaneously and accept any MIDI signals that transformed into CV. Of course, if you send same MIDI events, the CV will output the event that happens later and so on. Just like tweaking two different CC knobs assigned to same CC#.

Okay... and not something completely different that probably will make you re-consider your Shuttle approach.
We are releasing new FW2 for Shuttle Control (all Shuttles that dispatched a few days ago to PerfectCircuit in US and our EU distributor in Berlin and upcoming some more US retailers) have FW2 already installed. You may check out whats-new list by the link (which will be available to public shortly): http://firmware.endorphin.es (firmware update procedure also described within the link for pc and mac separately)

So far, Shuttle is able to transfer MIDI clock or any other MIDI events from TO HOST to TO DEVICE and vice versa. For example you can send MIDI clock from your MAC connected to TO DEVICE to Novation Bass station's internal arpeggiator clock that is connected to TO HOST (just an example).
Then, you may hook up a very cheapo USB-MIDI adapter (only a few bucks from ebay) and connect it to some of you MIDI devices (e.g. directly into MIDI jacks of your Focusrite interface) and plug that USB-MIDI adapter directly into TO HOST. So far, TO DEVICE is free and you may hook extra mac/ipad into it....
I'm not sure if Shuttle will fetch your Focusrite interface connected to it with USB, because that's AUDIO interface first and I also not sure if it is class-compliant usb-midi device. And of course, you need it to act as an audio connected to Mac. That's why you can use USB-MIDI adapter with it as I described above.

As you see, there are a few different possibilities to hook up altogether and obtain more or less same result.
Feel free to ask any further questions.
Best, Andreas.
jzwoopwoop
Perfect Circuit just got 'em in stock so I ordered mine. Can't wait to receive it!

Will be posting a uZeus and HexInverter Midi2CV for sale shortly smile
polyoptics
jzwoopwoop wrote:
Perfect Circuit just got 'em in stock so I ordered mine. Can't wait to receive it!

Will be posting a uZeus and HexInverter Midi2CV for sale shortly smile



Did you decide on a power brick?
guestt
Oh cool!!! I am sure you will like it smile

I am rushing around doing too many things... still want me to try Ableton / iPad / SC combo?

Re. power, I used this one:

http://www.rubadub.co.uk/tiptop-audio-15v-2000ma-external-power-supply -uzeus

and.... +1 for Andreas and Moritz - totally cool guys and very very helpful!!
jzwoopwoop
polyoptics wrote:
Did you decide on a power brick?


Nah, not yet. Will be looking into that today, and also scrounging around at my work office to see if I've got anything on hand that's compatible. Otherwise, I think I might go with this guy: https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeI d=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&productId=2078320

This was recommended to me by a local wiggler who uses it with his uzeus, and that way I've got a uzeus-compatible PSU on hand in case I go that route again if (read: when) I outgrow power from the Shuttle Control alone.

EDIT: Found this PSU laying around the office: http://store3.sure-electronics.com/ps-sp11505

Seems to me that it'll work just fine, but I emailed Andreas to have him confirm.

EDIT x2: Andreas confirmed that that PSU will work fine, but also had this to say about PSUs for Shuttle Control: Anything between 12 and 20V will work, however just to make Shuttle more efficient (less heating, more modules supply), I'd advice to try some lower voltages supply, closer to 12V (because in that case positive switched regulator will mostly be idle (=less heating)
jzwoopwoop
Baddcr wrote:
Oh cool!!! I am sure you will like it smile

I am rushing around doing too many things... still want me to try Ableton / iPad / SC combo?

Re. power, I used this one:

http://www.rubadub.co.uk/tiptop-audio-15v-2000ma-external-power-supply -uzeus

and.... +1 for Andreas and Moritz - totally cool guys and very very helpful!!


Thanks for the offer, Baddcr. Hopefully my Shuttle Control will arrive soon enough so I'll be able to try it out for myself! And yes, after a long back & forth about whether Shuttle Control is for me, I'm now convinced it'll be an incredible solution for some of the issues I was looking to resolve. And thrilled to have an Endorphin.es module in my rack too!

Also thanks for the link to the PSU. I'm in the States so will have to find something a bit closer to home.
guestt
Cool smile

It's definitely on my list of things to do, but, priorities!

I probably shouldn't even be here heheh... at the moment I have some work on so need to get that done first and keep everyone happy so I get paid!!

Work first - then play - catch you soon, will look forward to hearing how you get on cool
polyoptics
How about the 4ms brick?
http://www.4mspedals.com/powerbrick90.php
scottmoon
I'm using this one but picked it up for around $55. Might be overkill but it's been real reliable.
http://www.newark.com/artesyn-embedded-technologies/dps53-m/adaptor-ac -dc-medical-12v-5a/dp/01M7355?ost=01M7355&mckv=nlcgFYz2&CMP=KNC-GUSA-G EN-SHOPPING-ARTESYN-EMBEDDED-TECHNOLOGIES&CAGPSPN=pla&gclid=CITd1NqF68 YCFQmNaQodwVwELA&CAWELAID=120185550000928737
jzwoopwoop
polyoptics wrote:
How about the 4ms brick?
http://www.4mspedals.com/powerbrick90.php


Hard to say, since 4ms offers no details whatsoever about that PSU.

You should check out the manual for Shuttle Control. Endorphines recently updated the manual, and they provide links for recommended PSUs on page 10 in the manual. Here's the link to the manual: http://endorphin.es/assets/endorphin.es_shuttle_control_manual_2.0.1.p df

There are links for available PSUs in US, Europe, and Worldwide so no matter where you're located there should be a link that covers you. They even provide Amazon links, and those PSUs were all $10 or less!
jzwoopwoop
So I received my Shuttle Control from Perfect Circuit on Monday. Didn't have time to play around with it until last night, but after a quick spin I'm absolutely loving it.

I altered their monophonic patch a bit for more LFOs (with different CC assignments for each LFO). Quick & easy to upload that new preset patch via SysEx Librarian. Unplugged my computer, plugged in my ipad to the To Device port, and then plugged my cheap midi keyboard into one of the To Host ports. I quickly mapped the knobs on the midi keyboard to control those LFO rate CCs, and was off and running.

Still working out in my head what my optimal routing setup will be so I can easily switch from sequencing via ipad or mac (Live), or playing via keyboard, while still outputting midi clock to Tempest AND having my soundcard take up one of my Mac's two USB ports. I imagine the eventual solution will involve an iConnect device, but we'll see.

In the meantime, rolling with a more simplistic setup was still super fun, and for my small rack (just a bit past 3U - 84hp), to have a device that suddenly gives me tons of additional gates, trigs, and LFOs is just awesome. Very happy to not have to tie up one of my oscillators (Rubicon, Malekko Osc II) or Maths for LFO duties.

Couple extra notes:
- If someone is thinking of grabbing Shuttle Control, now is the time to get it from Perfect Circuit since you can use their holiday coupon code to get 10% off. Shuttle Control for $450? Yes please!
- Slow day at work yesterday so I tried building a Lemur project to control some of the midi cc's. Needless to say, I need to look into that user manual way more because my Lemur project did not work. I remember a couple other posters within this thread mentioning Lemur projects they built to go with Shuttle Control. Any chance anyone wants to share their Lemur work with me? Thanks in advance!
guestt
Awesome - glad you're getting along well smile

+1 for Lemur hints and tips, or templates - it's something I've been meaning to do too!
jzwoopwoop
Baddcr wrote:
Awesome - glad you're getting along well smile

+1 for Lemur hints and tips, or templates - it's something I've been meaning to do too!


Yeah man, loving it so far. Only had about an hour to play around, but it really is awesome.

Work in general will be slow for me for the rest of the month, so I'm hoping to put more time into getting up to speed with Lemur programming. I'll give you a holler if / when I'm able to figure stuff out!
polyoptics
jzwoopwoop wrote:
polyoptics wrote:
How about the 4ms brick?
http://www.4mspedals.com/powerbrick90.php


Hard to say, since 4ms offers no details whatsoever about that PSU.

You should check out the manual for Shuttle Control. Endorphines recently updated the manual, and they provide links for recommended PSUs on page 10 in the manual. Here's the link to the manual: http://endorphin.es/assets/endorphin.es_shuttle_control_manual_2.0.1.p df

There are links for available PSUs in US, Europe, and Worldwide so no matter where you're located there should be a link that covers you. They even provide Amazon links, and those PSUs were all $10 or less!


Ahh cool thanks for that. I'm trying to figure out if SC is the right fit for my setup. Not having to figure out psu requirments helps a lot!
jzwoopwoop
polyoptics wrote:
Ahh cool thanks for that. I'm trying to figure out if SC is the right fit for my setup. Not having to figure out psu requirments helps a lot!


Yeah, I think the SC is a bit different in that it can accept a relatively wide range of PSU options -- which was a conscious choice that the Endorphines guys made when designing the SC. So that can make it seemingly more difficult since there's no single recommended PSU. But it should also make you rest a bit easier in choosing a suitable PSU because, well, it's just kinda hard to make a bad choice... so long as the PSU has a 2.5mm center pin and center positive barrel plug, and provides a minimum of 3A output at somewhere between 12-20 volts. Essentially, if you did a google search for 2.5mm 12V 3A PSU, I'd guess that pretty much anything that comes up would work with the SC.
guestt
jzwoopwoop wrote:
Baddcr wrote:
Awesome - glad you're getting along well smile

+1 for Lemur hints and tips, or templates - it's something I've been meaning to do too!


Yeah man, loving it so far. Only had about an hour to play around, but it really is awesome.

Work in general will be slow for me for the rest of the month, so I'm hoping to put more time into getting up to speed with Lemur programming. I'll give you a holler if / when I'm able to figure stuff out!


Cool - look forward to it, if I manage to get round to doing anything I'll post too - good luck thumbs up
echoplex
anybody else having problems updating SC's firmware?
I just cannot put it into DFU mode .. neither with the finger trick seriously, i just don't get it
scottmoon
Mine went smoothly. No hiccups. Sorry waah
polyoptics
Hey what about this:

I have my modular as the main clock, and I want to send that clock via shuttle controls USB port to a hardware synth's usb in.

Is that possible?
scottmoon
polyoptics wrote:
Hey what about this:

I have my modular as the main clock, and I want to send that clock via shuttle controls USB port to a hardware synth's usb in.

Is that possible?


Nope. All the jacks on the Shuttle are outputs. No clock or CV in. waah
polyoptics
scottmoon wrote:
polyoptics wrote:
Hey what about this:

I have my modular as the main clock, and I want to send that clock via shuttle controls USB port to a hardware synth's usb in.

Is that possible?


Nope. All the jacks on the Shuttle are outputs. No clock or CV in. waah



Thanks for the reply -- that's too bad, but its all good!
polyoptics
How are peeps loading presets, are there tricks to saving loading?

I saved out some things from the web editor, but I have no luck loading them through SweetMidi on ios or from MidiOx on my pc. hmmm.....
scottmoon
polyoptics wrote:
How are peeps loading presets, are there tricks to saving loading?

I saved out some things from the web editor, but I have no luck loading them through SweetMidi on ios or from MidiOx on my pc. hmmm.....


I save them from the web editor to my Dropbox and import them to the Shuttle via SySex Librarian on my mac.
guestt
scottmoon wrote:
polyoptics wrote:
How are peeps loading presets, are there tricks to saving loading?

I saved out some things from the web editor, but I have no luck loading them through SweetMidi on ios or from MidiOx on my pc. hmmm.....


I save them from the web editor to my Dropbox and import them to the Shuttle via SySex Librarian on my mac.


+1 also used C6 from Elektron!

Check the manual for troubleshooting, there's quite a few gotchas!
echoplex
which adapter do you guys use to connect iPad and shuttle control?
will the apple lightning/usb cable work?
probably not I gues.. so what need?
RoaFL
For the "to device" port you should be able to use a micro USB to standard USB cable and put an Apple CCK adapter on the standard USB end.
For the "to host" ports, use a Lightning to standard USB cable.

EDIT: The reason I said "should be" is I'm at work and unable to test.
I use a iConnectMIDI4+ in mine and the iPad through that and it's always been solid.
jzwoopwoop
RoaFL is partially right. For the To Device port, you don't need anything special except an Apple CCK adapter, just like RoaFL said.

For the To Host part, you would need something like an iConnect device as both the iPad and the To Host part act as USB hosts, so you need a device (in this case, an iConnect) to resolve that issue. As far as I'm aware, this is the same issue facing ipad integration with other USB Midi modules like Expert Sleepers FH-1 and the new Intellijel one. That's what I love about Shuttle Control-- if you stick to using iPad with the top To Device port, then nothing extra is needed except CCK adapter.

I think on the last page, I posted some interactions I had with Endorphin.es about this very topic. Check it out, the info is good and they're super helpful. [/b]
scottmoon
Maybe this was obvious but when I plug my Linnstrument into "to host", it passes the midi data to "to device" that I have connected to my computer. I can then play either the modular or soft synths (or both) at the same time. Plus I can record the midi data into Logic. thumbs up
jzwoopwoop
scottmoon wrote:
Maybe this was obvious but when I plug my Linnstrument into "to host", it passes the midi data to "to device" that I have connected to my computer. I can then play either the modular or soft synths (or both) at the same time. Plus I can record the midi data into Logic. thumbs up


Yep, and the updated manual for Shuttle Control mentions this. I wonder if this was an added feature with the new firmware, or if it's always been available and they just didn't call it out in the previous manual?
Phil999
what also is useful together with Shuttle Control is the the app Studiomux. Several iDevices can be attached to the computer (either directly or through a powered USB hub which will also provide power) and used as MIDI controllers. You can route all input controller data in your DAW to SC through one USB cable. Using SC's different MIDI channels and voices.

This makes it much easier to combine modular and tablets/smartphones, and more stable. There still are some restrictions though, for example you have to set up the tablets/smartphones first and run the DAW after so that it can recognize the newly created Studiomux MIDI ports, and you have to keep that setup for a session.

But with Shuttle Control's programmable 16 presets for 16 single outputs this is not a problem at all. You may want to keep a journal or sketchbook for SC's presets you create. And together with Ableton Link timing/sync problems are gone.
jzwoopwoop
Phil999 wrote:
what also is useful together with Shuttle Control is the the app Studiomux. Several iDevices can be attached to the computer (either directly or through a powered USB hub which will also provide power) and used as MIDI controllers. You can route all input controller data in your DAW to SC through one USB cable. Using SC's different MIDI channels and voices.

This makes it much easier to combine modular and tablets/smartphones, and more stable. There still are some restrictions though, for example you have to set up the tablets/smartphones first and run the DAW after so that it can recognize the newly created Studiomux MIDI ports, and you have to keep that setup for a session.

But with Shuttle Control's programmable 16 presets for 16 single outputs this is not a problem at all. You may want to keep a journal or sketchbook for SC's presets you create. And together with Ableton Link timing/sync problems are gone.


Phil999, so I've been struggling to master this kind of workflow. I fully understand everything in theory and I've also got Studiomux, but in practice I've been struggling a bit to make everything work. Would you be able to share full details on exactly what hardware you're hooking up to your computer & DAW, and when and how you're doing it? And how and when are you integrating Ableton Link? I just grabbed the Link to Midi app yesterday, but didn't have a chance last night to play around with it.

Would also love to know which powered USB hub you're using. I'm also using Ableton as my DAW, and would prefer to use that as the master clock as well.

Thanks in advance for any help & insight you're able to lend!
jzwoopwoop
scottmoon wrote:
I save them from the web editor to my Dropbox and import them to the Shuttle via SySex Librarian on my mac.


This is exactly what I do as well. No different than any other instance where I've had to load Sysex files from my computer to a hardware device (hello, DSI Tempest).
Phil999
workflow with Studiomux looks like this:

- run Studiomux on your device or devices
- run a sequencer/controller app. When you switch back to Studiomux this app will soon appear as newly created Studiomux MIDI port. It will immediately appear if it has been started before Studiomux. This port is also seen by your computer if the device is attached. You may need to unplug and replug the device if the port is not seen by the computer, that's the other restriction I forgot to mention. Restarting the Studiomux daemon on the computer is probably another option to refresh the MIDI port list, with more practice I'll find out which method is best without rebooting.

But that is only necessary if you change apps during a session. For example if you use the same app the next day, the same MIDI port will be created, and your DAW will load your session as the day before with MIDI ports intact.

- use a DAW where you can create a MIDI track with assignable ports for in- and output. Create a track for each app that run on your device or devices, and route them to Shuttle Control, softsynth, effect, hardware MIDI out, etc. Route, mix, merge inside your DAW.

- create app specific Shuttle Control presets. Make notes.


I'm on Windows. With a Mac you can already use some few apps that do MIDI over USB, so you don't need Studiomux or the MIDI part of it (Midimux). For example Lemur does MIDI over USB since the latest update.

USB hubs: there are a few new ones that are very very useful. For these applications with Studiomux where you want to keep your tablets powered, check its PSU's Amperage. 2A is minimum for a 4-port hub, 3-4A for a 7-10 port hub. With those hubs you can supply and charge modern tablets (don't know about Surface).

Ableton Link:
this is a nice one. Now that we've attached our devices to the computer like hardware controllers or keyboards, there's a new sync 'protocol' that runs independently if a wifi network is present.

I don't have Ableton Live, but I can use the Link feature with the apps that have it. I've tested Link to Midi as well. It works with some apps, even though it is intended for hardware. If you have Ableton Live with Link, it can act as a master. Or slave, because any Link enabled app can change the tempo. I guess.

MIDI over USB, Ableton Link, OSC over USB, Audio over USB, this opens up a new territory. Which can be fully integrated into the modular world with modules like Shuttle Control. And more to come.
jzwoopwoop
Phil999- much indebted for the insight. Thanks!!
echoplex
anyone using this with an iPad Air?
what adatper do you use?
Simple Lightning/MicroUSB and then to iPad?
Might to share some usefull presets?
jzwoopwoop
echoplex wrote:
anyone using this with an iPad Air?
what adatper do you use?
Simple Lightning/MicroUSB and then to iPad?


Hey dude, you already asked this and both RoaFL and I answered you, just a couple posts up in this thread. But to reiterate: if you are connecting your ipad air to the To Device port (the top port) on the SC, you would need the Lightning to USB Camera Adapter: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD821AM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-ad apter?fnode=91

Then you would plug a USB-A to USB-B cable (e.g. this: http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-3FT-USB-Device-Cable/dp/B00004Z5IU) from the Camera Adapter to the To Device port on SC. That's it.

**EDIT: You actually don't even need to separately purchase this USB cable. My SC came with one such cable included.**

If you are plugging ipad air into one of the two lower To Host ports on SC, then you need something like an iConnectMidi box in between your ipad and the SC, as both ipad and the To Host portion of SC need to act as USB Host devices.

This is exactly what I said in my post earlier.

Quote:
Might to share some usefull presets?


Happy to share the one preset I've built for my SC, which is a dual voice setup with tons of different LFO shapes on the bottom eight outputs of SC. I also created a very simple Lemur project with sliders for controlling the rate of each LFO. Let me know if you're interested and I'll post them in this thread.

Building SC presets couldn't be easier though with Endorphines's web editor. The hard part is conceiving of what you want out of a present, since there are so many options. Making the preset is easy once you know what you want.

EDIT: You should also know that the SC comes pre-loaded with factory presets, and Endorphines explains what those factory presets are in the SC manual on their website. So the SC is ready to roll with some presets right out of the box. Loading your own presets over the factory one is an easy Sysex upload process.
echoplex
@jzwoopwoop:

thanks very much for this detailed information!
and yes, please share your preset with us .. I just downloaded Lemur, so this would be pretty usefull for me
TINCT
+1 for Andreas & Endorphines!

Always helpful whenever I've had a question re: SC

Works like a charm with iPad + Octatrack
slumberjack
anybody uses an android phone with shuttle control?
jzwoopwoop
slumberjack wrote:
anybody uses an android phone with shuttle control?


I'm all osx & ios, but I can't imagine the OS of your device matters much. If your device outputs midi, then it'll be good to go with SC.
TINCT
kstl wrote:
I did some testing today, unfortunately Octatrack does not work with SC for send sequencer data, because it doesn't send data over USB, only through midi out.

Rytm and A4/AK yes, thumbs up


I'm really struggling to send sequencer data from my Rytm into SC, has anyone successfully done this?

kstl (quoted) says that you can do it, but my understanding was that the A4/AK/AR will not output it's sequencer data via midi?

Any suggestions/help with this would be much appreciated!
jzwoopwoop
TINCT wrote:
I'm really struggling to send sequencer data from my Rytm into SC, has anyone successfully done this?

kstl (quoted) says that you can do it, but my understanding was that the A4/AK/AR will not output it's sequencer data via midi?

Any suggestions/help with this would be much appreciated!


I'd be happy to troubleshoot for you. All you need to do is send me your RYTM smile

EDIT: If kstl is correct though and the Elektron boxes only send midi-out signal via the midi port, wouldn't something like this do the trick for you: http://www.iconnectivity.com/products/midi/mio
TINCT
jzwoopwoop wrote:
TINCT wrote:
I'm really struggling to send sequencer data from my Rytm into SC, has anyone successfully done this?

kstl (quoted) says that you can do it, but my understanding was that the A4/AK/AR will not output it's sequencer data via midi?

Any suggestions/help with this would be much appreciated!


I'd be happy to troubleshoot for you. All you need to do is send me your RYTM smile


Haha, sorry no can do
guestt
Huh... since when did A4/RYTM send midi sequencer data?

Octatrack will work with one of the midi/USB cables Thomann do them, one end is Midi which goes into Octatrack - other end is USB that goes into SC.

Alternatively you will need something like iConnectMidi - but this kind of defeats the whole point for me - SC is more suitable for connecting computer/iPad/other standard class compliant midi controllers.
TINCT
Baddcr wrote:
Huh... since when did A4/RYTM send midi sequencer data?

Octatrack will work with one of the midi/USB cables Thomann do them, one end is Midi which goes into Octatrack - other end is USB that goes into SC.

Alternatively you will need something like iConnectMidi - but this kind of defeats the whole point for me - SC is more suitable for connecting computer/iPad/other standard class compliant midi controllers.


That's what I thought, Baddcr re: A4/AR sending sequencer midi data, which is why I was very intrigued when it was mentioned that it was possible.

i already use the Octatrack with SC, and it works amazingly! However i'd quite like to sequence drum modules from the Rytm if possible... Doesn't appear that you can, unless kstl let's us know how he managed it.
guestt
Yeah - it would be a major revelation if there is a way to do it... Personally I'm not getting my hopes up!

The most fun I've been having is with the iPad - especially with the new Link sync tech - it's ace!!! Can run everything in time, can even use iPhone as a clock source with the Korg Sync app - wirelessly synced smile
TINCT
Baddcr wrote:
Yeah - it would be a major revelation if there is a way to do it... Personally I'm not getting my hopes up!

The most fun I've been having is with the iPad - especially with the new Link sync tech - it's ace!!! Can run everything in time, can even use iPhone as a clock source with the Korg Sync app - wirelessly synced smile


I understand that it's unlikely to work with the midi port output, as the machine isn't built for the data to be output from there. However the USB output + the fact Overbridge is possible, makes me think that outputting the data via USB could be a potential.

Re: the link app, how are you using it, set up wise? Syncing the iPad with ableton via link, and then syncing modular via SC & iPad?
jzwoopwoop
TINCT wrote:
Re: the link app, how are you using it, set up wise? Syncing the iPad with ableton via link, and then syncing modular via SC & iPad?


I've been meaning to try this out too, but have been too busy with work (damn you work!) lately. But I think it'd be pretty simple. Korg sync app or the Link To Midi app should do the trick for implementing sync with Link via SC. Then use any other app on another device and/or Live 9.6 to sync with the device running Korg Sync/Link To Midi.

Again, I haven't tried this myself (hopefully this weekend!) but I think that's how it should work out.

EDIT: Sorry, I think my explanation might be a bit confusing, typed too fast. So here's what I'm hoping to test out this weekend...

Macbook Pro running Ableton Live 9.6 as master clock, with Link enabled.

Iphone 6 running Link To Midi. Connect Iphone 6 to Shuttle Control via Camera Connection Kit dongle. Link to Midi will sync (via wireless network) with Ableton Live 9.6 running Link.

Ipad running any app that supports Link. I would prob use an arpeggiator app or something, and have its midi out sync with Link To Midi on iphone, so that its midi out then wirelessly controls my modular.

That's the hope at least!
TINCT
jzwoopwoop wrote:
TINCT wrote:
Re: the link app, how are you using it, set up wise? Syncing the iPad with ableton via link, and then syncing modular via SC & iPad?


I've been meaning to try this out too, but have been too busy with work (damn you work!) lately. But I think it'd be pretty simple. Korg sync app or the Link To Midi app should do the trick for implementing sync with Link via SC. Then use any other app on another device and/or Live 9.6 to sync with the device running Korg Sync/Link To Midi.

Again, I haven't tried this myself (hopefully this weekend!) but I think that's how it should work out.


Let us know if you get a chance to test it out, as I won't until early next week now smile
guestt
What jzwoopwoop said...

...but to be honest, a lot of the fun I get out of al this gear is trying different things out, so one day I might use Octatrack with Yarns, another day A4 with Synapse, iPad with Shuttle Control, you get the idea...

The Link thing is really simple, you just start any app with Link, or Ableton of course, and then other apps on the same device or other devices can join or leave - that's it! It's really cool - the other apps start and stop like clips do in ableton i.e. waiting for the next bar. With the Korg Sync I simply switch on Link and plug the headphone out into any clock input on the module - and you have wireless sync - that's it! Also use this with the Volca Sample, bt to be honest prefer hooking Octatrack up to that - I think of it as the Octatracks little sister complete with CC control over the parameters - it's ace!

Re sequencing with A4 - you can just use the CV outs and have 4 trigs on separate channels - they are awesome!

Overbridge is proprietary technology and it is not midi data, as far as I am aware there is no midi data in the sequencer, it's an analogue sequencer with digital control - not the same thing at all. You would need a CV to midi convertor to be built in and it isn't there to the best of my knowledge and I can't see Elektron keeping this a secret, loads of folks been pestering them for this for a long time.


Edit: Ooops forgot to say; if you are running ableton on a laptop, just plug your computer into the Shuttle Control via USB - I wouldn't bother trying to send any midi data via anything else it's just complicating it. Get that you want to use A4 sequencer, but CV definitely the way to go there - that's what it does and is very good at it!
jzwoopwoop
Fellow Shuttle Control users,
A while back, I mentioned that I had built a simple Lemur preset for controlling a bunch of SC LFOs. I never got around to posting that, and the activity in the thread today reminded me. So here are some things for people to try out.

Unfortunately, I forgot to put the sysex file with the matching Shuttle Control preset that I built on my work computer. So will have to upload that later tonight from my home computer. But in the meantime, here's the Lemur project, which features faders to control 7 LFOs. It's nothing fancy and I am very, very new to scripting in Lemur. But I've still found this to be a fun and useful little tool for me! My SC preset has those LFOs on outs 10-16, but you can obviously set them to whichever outs you'd like provided you use the same midi channel and cc mappings as I've set up. The CC mappings are clearly marked (CCs 20 - 26), and everything is set up to be on midi channel 1. Here's a screenshot...



I've tested this out before and it's worked great. I just put in the Mod Wheel Fader and Portamento Knob today at work, so I have NOT tested those. But I believe they should work.

Aaaaannnnyyyywwwwhhhhoooo, here's a link to download the Lemur template from my dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ja5ac3rogv3w4ec/SC%20LFO%20Faders.jzml?dl=1

Would love feedback from anyone who gives it a go!
Phil999
nice colors. No need for testing, I know it will work. Done something similar, but decided to use the QuNeo for this task. I've also done some kind of CV toolkit in Reaktor with MIDI out, which is remote controlled by Lemur, but that was before I got the Shuttle Control.

One could expand modulation options with internal Lemur modulation (LFO, envelope, random), but I never felt the need for it. If one is really short on modulation sources, Lemur and Shuttle Control are your friends.
TINCT
Baddcr wrote:


Edit: Ooops forgot to say; if you are running ableton on a laptop, just plug your computer into the Shuttle Control via USB - I wouldn't bother trying to send any midi data via anything else it's just complicating it. Get that you want to use A4 sequencer, but CV definitely the way to go there - that's what it does and is very good at it!


Unfortunately it is the Rytm that I am trying to use for this purpose, which of course doesn't have CV unfortunately
acronym
TINCT wrote:
Baddcr wrote:


Edit: Ooops forgot to say; if you are running ableton on a laptop, just plug your computer into the Shuttle Control via USB - I wouldn't bother trying to send any midi data via anything else it's just complicating it. Get that you want to use A4 sequencer, but CV definitely the way to go there - that's what it does and is very good at it!


Unfortunately it is the Rytm that I am trying to use for this purpose, which of course doesn't have CV unfortunately


the rytm cannot give sequence data out
TINCT
acronym wrote:
TINCT wrote:
Baddcr wrote:


Edit: Ooops forgot to say; if you are running ableton on a laptop, just plug your computer into the Shuttle Control via USB - I wouldn't bother trying to send any midi data via anything else it's just complicating it. Get that you want to use A4 sequencer, but CV definitely the way to go there - that's what it does and is very good at it!


Unfortunately it is the Rytm that I am trying to use for this purpose, which of course doesn't have CV unfortunately


the rytm cannot give sequence data out


That was my understanding too, however this particular recent conversation started re: a comment made by kstl saying that it is possible. He hasn't responded to clarify/confirm this statement has been tested
Phil999
http://firmware.endorphin.es/Shuttle_Control_firmware_v2_update.pdf

There seems to be a new firmware update, especially for Elektron devices. I don't have Elektron devices, and I'm a bit confused about the firmware numbers. 2.0.16 seems to be the new update, although the last update was a higher number, 2.0.2.

I probably don't have to change anything, I'm just wondering about which firmware is the latest.
acronym
I cannot update my shuttle control + it gives some ground hum noise from its jacks .. havent heard back from the support :(
Phil999
oh no, this is not what it's supposed to be.

Have you disconnected the USB cable? After that, is there still hum noise?
TINCT
acronym wrote:
I cannot update my shuttle control + it gives some ground hum noise from its jacks .. havent heard back from the support :(


I know they are really busy atm - with Superbooth and the Tokyo synth trade show. So maybe send them a reminder email smile
ipnoteca
is it possible to send at the same time with a usb keyboard (korg microkey 47) both cv and gate? if so, which is the right gate to program on the shuttle?

cheers
acronym
acronym wrote:
I cannot update my shuttle control + it gives some ground hum noise from its jacks .. havent heard back from the support :(


hmm, no if I disconnect the USB cable all the hum is gone .. hmmm.....
Phil999
this is the well known grounding issue with USB. For a solution it is probably best to do a search in the forum.

I'm lucky that I don't have hum problems when I connect Shuttle Control with USB to my DAW PC or my internet tablet. Maybe because I have all my devices (computers, mixers, effect rack, modular systems) on one single AC outlet.
jzwoopwoop
robocoder wrote:
is it possible to send at the same time with a usb keyboard (korg microkey 47) both cv and gate? if so, which is the right gate to program on the shuttle?

cheers


Yes. But that's something any midi to cv converter will do. With Shuttle Control, all the outputs need to be configured. So you set what what outputs send cv, gate, trig, etc via their web editor, which then creates a sysex file, which then needs to be sent to the Shuttle Control. Although it should be noted that the Shuttle Control does come pre-loaded with full presets, the details of which can be found in the manual on Endorphines's website.
ipnoteca
jzwoopwoop wrote:
robocoder wrote:
is it possible to send at the same time with a usb keyboard (korg microkey 47) both cv and gate? if so, which is the right gate to program on the shuttle?

cheers


Yes. But that's something any midi to cv converter will do. With Shuttle Control, all the outputs need to be configured. So you set what what outputs send cv, gate, trig, etc via their web editor, which then creates a sysex file, which then needs to be sent to the Shuttle Control. Although it should be noted that the Shuttle Control does come pre-loaded with full presets, the details of which can be found in the manual on Endorphines's website.


yup i know that, and did so, but if i press a note on the key, only cv lights up...
so my question is if there is a specific command to input on the editor...

so fare there are different gates and trigs so that's might be the difference?
jzwoopwoop
robocoder wrote:
yup i know that, and did so, but if i press a note on the key, only cv lights up...


I honestly have no idea what you mean by this. Do you mean an output that you set to send pitch cv (e.g. 1v/oct or Hz/oct) only lights up, but an output that you set to send gate cv doesn't light up?

Quote:
so my question is if there is a specific command to input on the editor...


No, there are no specific commands to input. You just select a particular output, choose gate from the dropdown, save your setting, upload sysex file to SC, boom.

Quote:
so fare there are different gates and trigs so that's might be the difference?


I also don't understand what you mean by this.
Phil999
try with "Gate uni" for unipolar gate.
ipnoteca
cheers will try with the uni gate wink
phosfiend
This module is so effing rad - surprised I don't see more people waxing poetic about it. You can push sysex from the browser now!

The web editor is super well done. The care and design that has gone into this module is just amazing, these guys deserve all the credit they receive!
TINCT
phosfiend wrote:
This module is so effing rad - surprised I don't see more people waxing poetic about it. You can push sysex from the browser now!

The web editor is super well done. The care and design that has gone into this module is just amazing, these guys deserve all the credit they receive!


Agreed! Was really pain free to set up - created a custom preset and starting using it within the first 10 mins after powering it up!
seraphon
Is there a way to see what messages (CV) a given iPad app is sending to the shuttle control? Other than the blinking lights? Can a 'from device' setup be saved from the module and further tweaked from a webbrowser? Would help in duplicating messages for multichannel setups. Or do 'from device' midi override your custom setups? I figured I could mix from device midi and customized CV pages, but I cant brain today apparently. Digging The V2 tho:banana:
deltaphoenix
Can the SC LFOs sync to midi clock now?
jzwoopwoop
deltaphoenix wrote:
Can the SC LFOs sync to midi clock now?


I don't believe so, but I could be wrong. Last I checked, the manual had no mention of that. This would be a really, really nice addition though, for sure.
scottmoon
deltaphoenix wrote:
Can the SC LFOs sync to midi clock now?


No but there are the tap tempo LFOs that can be assigned to a midi note. How good is your timing? screaming goo yo
deltaphoenix
Pretty darn good....Bass player for 23 years or so...

If they could sync with midi clock and have div/mults, I would be finding one ASAP. A little iPad control and extra modulation when playing out, maybe some computer interaction when at the house.

I know all of the jacks are outputs, too bad not one input for clock...such a powerful module as is but it would take the cake if there was anyway to clock/sync this.
scottmoon
deltaphoenix wrote:
Pretty darn good....Bass player for 23 years or so...

If they could sync with midi clock and have div/mults, I would be finding one ASAP. A little iPad control and extra modulation when playing out, maybe some computer interaction when at the house.

I know all of the jacks are outputs, too bad not one input for clock...such a powerful module as is but it would take the cake if there was anyway to clock/sync this.


This might help, from the manual for some of the output assignments:

17. Synchronization is the way to translate MIDI beat clock (MIDI timing clock) signals into modular clock signals, sequencer
play/stop actions as well as translating those messages into DIN Sync (Sync24) signals. At first you need enable MIDI clock
output / transmit over MIDI from your DAW. Refer to your DAW manual how to do that. Afterwards the following signals may be
send to appropriate defined CV output:
Start/Stop - refers to DIN Sync specification, pressing Start or Continue play buttons on your DAW will return positive +5V gate
voltage at a certain CV output. Pressing Stop or Pause or when no Play was pressed at the project load will return a 0 volt at
the certain CV output. Wiring that signal to your analog drum machine’s appropriate input (i.e., to pin 1 of Din sync cable) will
enable your drum machine start and stop playback at the same time when you press start/stop buttons at your DAW;
PPQN (divisions and multiplications) stands for Pulses per quarter note that are used to sync analog gear. In analog gear usually
24ppqn resolution has been used and MIDI clock by default works at the same 24 or higher, multiple to 2 timebase (refer
to the settings of your DAW). Divisions/multiples selected will divide/multiply the incoming MIDI clock and will transfer it into
analog clock – 0v at calm and 1ms +5V trigger at peak value. Wiring that signal to your analog drum machine appropriate input
(i.e., to pin 5 of Din sync cable) will enable your drum machine playing at same tempo as set up in your DAW. PPQN/24 from the
list will return the exact BPM of your MIDI DAW. We already mentioned that small dot in the lower corner of 7-segment indicates
the MIDI activity. When MIDI clock is being sent from your DAW, that small dot will blink according to BPM (literally same as it
would be from PPQN/24 assigned to any CV output) no matter if you set to output that clock from one of CV outputs.
18. Tap stands for tap-tempo clock generator that receives taps from a defined MIDI note. 3 consequent taps are enough to
make the clock recognize a new tempo (for example when you adjust to the tempo of a drummer having a live performance
or generate your own clock). Different divisions and multiples are possible (for example you may use 24 times multiplied TAP
clock to define tempo of your analog drum machine and use a flip-flop to send start/stop functions for it and that’s only the
tip of the iceberg).
After the frequency has been set by some taps you may disconnect your USB MIDI device while leaving the whole system powered
and the clock signal will remain constant until new taps will be transmitted. Same is applied to all built-in generators or CC/
velocity/note voltages – after a lost USB MIDI device disconnection they will continue to generate at the last defined frequency/
voltage until you turn Shuttle Control off.
19. Tap LFO Square/Spike/Triangle/Sine/Saw rising/Saw falling/S&h/Fluctuating – same as CC conrolled LFO (p. 8 of that
manual) but the frequency of the LFO is defined (and syncronized) by three or more taps by a certain (or any) MIDI note.
Nemocaine
Hi all ! I've got a problem with the Shuttle control editor v2, and I would like to know if someone has the same problem :

On CV1, I choose channel 10, then Trigger Note Uni, then a note number.
Then on CV2, I choose the same channel, also Trigger Note Uni, but when I choose a note number, it move the other note number (and don't select the note number I've choose).

If I do this on 8 CV (this is what I would like to do to have a MIDI track to play drum modules), every 8 note number move without any sense.

Thank you !
Phil999
there is a problem with note numbers - a workaround is to use different MIDI channels.
Nemocaine
Phil999 wrote:
there is a problem with note numbers - a workaround is to use different MIDI channels.


Oh... Bad news.

So I can't make a single MIDI drum track to play drum modules.

It seems Ok with Shuttle Control v1, perhaps I will downgrade (but loose all the cool new stuff of the v2).
Nemocaine
I just tried now with different MIDI channel, there is the same problem.
I'm gonna write an e-mail to endorphin.es support.

I will post their reply is it can interest other people.
Nemocaine
I've contacted Andreas from endorphin.es, and they fixed the editor in the day !

Thanks a lot to them, what a great support ! smile
Funky40
hey, i have some questions ( i´m just on the edge to switch over to shuttle control from the FH-1):

1) is the editor easy to use ?
2) is it for OSX and windows ? ( mainly interested in OSX right now)
3) could i setup a 4 voice polyphonic patch with: trigger/1V-oct/Velocity per Voice plus 4 Aux CVs ?
4) also a 6voice patch, trigger and pitch per voice , no Velo , but also 4 Aux CVs ?

this all goes ? ( it should if i understand right )
Nemocaine
1) The Editor is very easy to use : http://cargo2.endorphin.es/

2) OSX works perfectly

3) Yes, your example is Ok. You have 16 CV outs. You can do want you want (8 voices polyphonic patch with only 1V/OCT and GATE, or less voices and freely assign the free CV outs (LFO, Gate, Sync, etc...)

4) Still Ok (6 x 2 = 12 + 4 = 16)
scottmoon
Make sure and use Chrome for programming it. You cand send and receive, it doesn't work well with Safari.
phosfiend
Phil999 wrote:
there is a problem with note numbers - a workaround is to use different MIDI channels.


I don't have this problem - I have at least 3 current presets with drums on a single channel. Are you sure you're sending it the correct octave?
shreeswifty
i have a shuttle control as well, Do SC folks want to possibly share some configs? We all might learn something if we share.

https://zeroturnaround.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/sharing-is-carin g.jpg
Funky40
Great ! Thanks for the Feedback !
thumbs up
Phil999
Nemocaine wrote:
I've contacted Andreas from endorphin.es, and they fixed the editor in the day !

Thanks a lot to them, what a great support ! smile

great, it works again.
jimi23
Just ordered one of these. And a MI Peaks to consume some of those trigger outs Mr. Green

Anyone using interesting iOS sequencers with it? Im planning on having a 6U case with all the note/trigger sequencing happing through the shuttle control.

I've built a few simple MIDI controller layouts in Lemur in the past, I know it has sequencer objects now with an inbuilt clock. Im wondering how flexible the scripting engine is for it... I would love to build something like a Rene or a Turing machine
novotnik
yeah, i had the exact same idea ! having something like a rene as iOS app would be perfect with the Shuttle control. But i am not sure if it is doable via Lemur, probably not. any ideas ?
guestt
I still haven't done this completely, but I love Patterning - best drum sequencer available on iOS imho and arguably one of the best drum sequencers available anywhere.

The missing bit is sync, happily triggering 'in time' but really looking forward to the hardware implementations of Ableton Link, either in a module or as a kind of little midi plug socket, or something.

Or, as mentioned earlier in this thread the implementation of an 'in' to the Shuttle Control - that would really bring this module home!
jimi23
Lemur is capable of a lot. Attached is an example sequencer it comes with, you can see it gets complex. It has a pretty easy to use physics engine built in. At the moment I'm just thinking in terms of recreating euro sequencers i can't afford, but it could do a lot of novel things! Maybe a simple pressure points type thing first cool

Thanks, I'll look into patterning!
guestt
Is http://cargo2.endorphin.es down for everyone?


Update: Seems to be working again smile
guestt
For anyone who is looking for a way to sync their iPad while it's hooked into the Shuttle Control it can be done with MIDI Link Sync from Coding Cod

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/midi-link-sync/id1071048493?mt=8

I have no idea why this brilliant app is free, but it is!

Highly recommended! thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up

Here's a very quick run down of how I have everything set up at the moment, for ages I've been trying to work out how to get everything playing nicely together and this solves everything.

Octatrack as master clock connected to an iPhone via a sound card with midi ports running MIDI Link Sync to drive Link. Link is enabled on Patterning on the iPad syncs perfectly and sends midi out to the SC.

So simple and it works brilliantly, there's even a latency control for super precise timing if you really want to be bothered, but it's damn close enough out of the box.

The same principle could be used to connect any number of separate systems, it's all very cool!
sauce
Picked up a Shuttle Control yesterday from Control Voltage and installed it in my Pittsburgh Move case. When I went to boot it, none of my modules worked, and SC didn't boot. After some experimenting, I found every other module booted when the SC was not on the bus and the SC booted under its own power adapter. Is it drawing too much power for my case? Am I misunderstanding the 5v jumper (should be no jumper when running off of bus power, right)? Any help appreciated, because I would like to run this off of bus power.

Here is the case it is in:
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/79031
scottmoon
The Shuttle provides enough power so you could run everything off of it with your setup. Otherwise you could run the Shuttle off your current power but remove the +5V jumper on back.

From the manual:
The PSU is designed to supply one full row of all Endrphin.es modules with a reserve of current – i.e., up to 1000 mA from +12V rail, 600-700mA from -12V rail and up to 1000 mA from +5V rail (Shuttle Control delivers +5V to the busboard when the ‘+5V to bus’ jumper installed. Do not install the ‘+5V to bus’ jumper when you power the Shuttle from external busboard that has a +5v adapter installed.).
There is the option to power the Shuttle Control from a bus board in case you already have a powered bus and don’t plan to use Shuttle Control’s power adapter. You may connect SC into the powered bus board directly using the supplied flying board or any other 16-pin ribbon cable. Before doing so you must unplug the supplied AC-DC adapter from the Shuttle Control’s jack on the faceplate.
Keep in mind that Shuttle Control delivers +5V to the bus all the time. That means you have to unplug all the other +5V adapters that are installed on your powered bus before turning on your modular. Shuttle Control is protected against powering to exter- nal +5V power supply, however it may harm other +5V adapters.
sauce
Yes, removed the jumper from the back of SC (no jumpers at all on there) and it still won't boot of the board. I'll shoot endorphin.es and email.
scottmoon
Does anyone know if I can power my 2 Shuttles with a 6amp power supply and a splitter? I'm trying to carry less stuff.
deltaphoenix
Anybody using any newer apps with the Shuttle Control?

I know I have seen a few suggestions peppered through this thread but would like to here off any recently released apps that are working well with SC.
Phil999
from the new ones there's Clawtar, Modstep, and there is Lemur where you can build your own control surface. The Moog Model 15 app has 6 MIDI CC in- and outputs, this is something I'm going to explore more.

Older suited apps are Orphion (with some kind of velocity), TC-Data, Konkreet Performer, midiLFOs, Patterning, Fugue Machine, midiSTEPS, and also apps for synchronization like SyncKontrol, SyncMix, and MIDI Link Sync.
jzwoopwoop
Phil999 wrote:
from the new ones there's Clawtar, Modstep, and there is Lemur where you can build your own control surface. The Moog Model 15 app has 6 MIDI CC in- and outputs, this is something I'm going to explore more.

Older suited apps are Orphion (with some kind of velocity), TC-Data, Konkreet Performer, midiLFOs, Patterning, Fugue Machine, midiSTEPS, and also apps for synchronization like SyncKontrol, SyncMix, and MIDI Link Sync.


Really good list, thanks Phil999.

If you check back a few pages, you'll find a very simple Lemur template that I built, primarily for controlling a buttload of Shuttle Control LFOs. I haven't experimented much beyond that.
halcyon
Though not an app, the Roli Seaboard should be fairly interesting with the Shuttle Control with its polyphonic independent pitchbending and expression capabilities. I'm thinking about getting it mainly for that tandem with the Shuttle Control.
deltaphoenix
Thanks for sharing what you both are using.

I just found out that AUM has a midi matrix so now I am thinking about how one could Sequence cv, gate and velocity from one app, send some complex LFOs from midiLFO, and maybe some midi from Patterning. Seems like the way to go.
jimi23
I've started using a Novation Circuit as a sequencer away from a computer. USB into the shuttle control, and MIDI into my Ambika.
Works pretty well, I can get the two synth channels no problem, but the drum triggers aren't working. Seems to be an issue with notes as mentioned on the previous page. Set to ch10 omni I get a trigger, but individual note numbers aren't picking up anything. Might keep trying with all available notes on Ch10.
Also getting really odd behaviour where the circuit is not triggering certain internal drum hits when its connected to the Shuttle Control, and often I have to press play a few times before the sequencer starts. I think it might have to do with loopback etc.
Riggar
sauce - did you get your problem sorted? I'm now in the same position as you about to put an SC in a Pittsburgh case with no 5v jumper but a bit hesitant!
kwil
I've just bought this module and very impressed with it but wonder if the polyphony is working properly on mine. I have upgraded to the latest firmware v.2.0.16–281215R.

The issue is that when there are free voices available, the next output allocated is the next one along regardless whether there is another one that is free. This means it can try to take another voice that is already engaged even where there is a free one available.

I have tried to demonstrate this with default preset 4 is which a 4 voice polyphony mode. I can't keep the first note playing continuously whilst playing other notes, eventually new notes stop the old notes playing.



Is it working like this for everyone else or is something wrong with mine?

Assuming Yarns uses the same kind of algorithm in their dispatcher mode of midipal in poly mode, I would prefer it to work like that. It would be cool if Shuttle Control could offer an additional poly mode if not changing the existing behaviour.
Speculum Speculorum
So I've got a question that I've contacted Endorphin.es about.

Endorphin.es Shuttle Control has a -5v to +5v range, as per the manual. Now, take MATHS, for example. The Channel 1 "signal in" has a range listed at -10/+10v. And Optomix's "Strike" input says it expects an input trigger at +8v.

So is Shuttle Control incapable of producing CV high/low enough to actually make these things function, or is it a different way of expressing the range common to Eurorack?

If it's all good I'm still aboard the Shuttle Control bandwagon and it will be going into my Eurorack for sure. If not... man that sucks.
kwil
I think you have to use an offset to move the voltages into the desired range. Which is not very practical if outputting 8 pitch cvs for instance. Would love it if the pitch output ranges could be configured but it seems the maximum output voltages for any cv out is -/+ 5.

Also the centre note at 0v is G4, would be nice if this could be configured to be a different note somehow.
Speculum Speculorum
kwil wrote:
I think you have to use an offset to move the voltages into the desired range. Which is not very practical if outputting 8 pitch cvs for instance. Would love it if the pitch output ranges could be configured but it seems the maximum output voltages for any cv out is -/+ 5.

Also the centre note at 0v is G4, would be nice if this could be configured to be a different note somehow.


I did hear back from Endorphin.es on the matter, and Andreas explained this:




I can't imagine -/+ 5vis that big a deal with pitch, is it? Isn't -/+ 5v how basically every VCO is configured anyway? It would simply be a matter of calibrating the VCO so that G4 on the output of the Shuttle Control pitches at G4 with your VCO, no?

Or am I completely, totally, and inherently missing something here, which is a possibility because I'm very, very new with all this. I've also asked him in another email if the Intelijel Triatt (linked below) would be a good option for offsetting in the case of NEEDING a proper voltage on a trigger or gate:

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/intellijel-triatt

I'm curious about an answer because this will make or break it for me if I'm going forward with this unit. Unfortunately, if not, I've no idea what else to consider. If I could make this calibrate properly for my needs it would pretty much smoke everything else that's out there.
kwil
Speculum Speculorum wrote:


I can't imagine -/+ 5vis that big a deal with pitch, is it? Isn't -/+ 5v how basically every VCO is configured anyway? It would simply be a matter of calibrating the VCO so that G4 on the output of the Shuttle Control pitches at G4 with your VCO, no?



I'm bit of a noob, so I could be missing something obvious, so I'm going to check my VCOs again to see what voltages they track over.

I did tune my VCO to G4 at 0v, but it means I have to retune it if I use something else that uses a different note for 0v. It's probably not an issue as I can change the centre note on the beatstep pro that I am also using.
Speculum Speculorum
kwil wrote:
Speculum Speculorum wrote:


I can't imagine -/+ 5vis that big a deal with pitch, is it? Isn't -/+ 5v how basically every VCO is configured anyway? It would simply be a matter of calibrating the VCO so that G4 on the output of the Shuttle Control pitches at G4 with your VCO, no?



I'm bit of a noob, so I could be missing something obvious, so I'm going to check my VCOs again to see what voltages they track over.

I did tune my VCO to G4 at 0v, but it means I have to retune it if I use something else that uses a different note for 0v. It's probably not an issue as I can change the centre note on the beatstep pro that I am also using.


I could see this being a problem for transition over to live settings, I suppose. But since I would be using my DAW to control it, the initial setup would be all I'd really need.
Nemocaine
Hi all !

I know that the Terrasoniq MIDI USB is Ok to control Shuttle control with Octatrack (MIDI OUT), but someone knows if it works fine too with this kind of cable ?

http://www.fnac.com/mp21313103/CABLING-Cable-Adaptateur-Interface-Conv ertisseur-Usb-Midi-In-Midi-Out-Mac-Pc/w-4?ebwidgetkey=5798d93f0c21a16b 53719755#int=S:Suggestion|FA:MIC:Fiche_Article|NonApplicable|21313103| BL5|L1

Thanks a lot
CliffordMilk
It works for me with the cheapest USB to midi cable I could find on eBay.
Dark Barn
scottmoon wrote:
The Shuttle provides enough power so you could run everything off of it with your setup. Otherwise you could run the Shuttle off your current power but remove the +5V jumper on back.

From the manual:
The PSU is designed to supply one full row of all Endrphin.es modules with a reserve of current – i.e., up to 1000 mA from +12V rail, 600-700mA from -12V rail and up to 1000 mA from +5V rail (Shuttle Control delivers +5V to the busboard when the ‘+5V to bus’ jumper installed. Do not install the ‘+5V to bus’ jumper when you power the Shuttle from external busboard that has a +5v adapter installed.).
There is the option to power the Shuttle Control from a bus board in case you already have a powered bus and don’t plan to use Shuttle Control’s power adapter. You may connect SC into the powered bus board directly using the supplied flying board or any other 16-pin ribbon cable. Before doing so you must unplug the supplied AC-DC adapter from the Shuttle Control’s jack on the faceplate.
Keep in mind that Shuttle Control delivers +5V to the bus all the time. That means you have to unplug all the other +5V adapters that are installed on your powered bus before turning on your modular. Shuttle Control is protected against powering to exter- nal +5V power supply, however it may harm other +5V adapters.


My Shuttle Control does not have the jumper on the back, I'm guessing it must be in the box somewhere. My question is, has anyone done this? I took a look at things and did not see any easy way to "unplug the supplied AC-DC adapter from the Shuttle Control's faceplate." I tried powering it from my bus without doing that and noticed a little hum as well as one of the bars on the LED display not lighting up, so I went back to powering it externally. However it would be more convenient to power it from the bus eventually.
Dark Barn
To clear up my own misunderstanding in the post above me. Where it says "unplug the supplied AC-DC adapter from the Shuttle Control's faceplate" means simply if you are powering it from the bus, do not simultaneously power it from the ac jack on the front. Andreas cleared that up for me.

Mine didn't come with a "supplied AC-DC adapter" so I was mistakenly assuming I had to remove a part from the faceplate.

Also the way the manual is written it says early in the section I quoted to remove the +5v to bus jumper, then later that the SC *always* supplies 5v to the bus and so extra precautions should be made. Andreas also cleared this up for me. If you have a model with a +5v to bus jumper and you remove the jumper, then you are not sending +5v to the bus, and so no extra precautions need to be made. The way it is worded in the manual it was hard to be certain. Hopefully that clears things up for anyone else who was wondering.
benniii
hey guys, i'm super new here and to modulars in general – am just considering my first purchase, so excuse any bold question. i've been studying the shuttle control's manual and this whole thread and suppose my understanding of CV et al may be quite banal. hope this makes sense and i'd be gracious for a quick hint:

i'm planning to use the shuttle with max/msp and send/convert CC data into e.g. LFOs and envelopes. is this per se possible? if so, to my knowledge "normal" CCs only have 8bit – pitchbend how ever has has a higher resolution (14bit?). would it therefore be possible to use/convert pitchbend in order to control CV on other modules without noticable steps or gaps? shuttle's manual states:

Quote:
no steps in CC voltages


– yet i have no clue if i grasp the concept of this, at all.
thanks! seriously, i just don't get it d'oh!
Dark Barn
Yes that's possible. If you can generate 16 pitchbend messages you could assign every jack on the Shuttle Control to send pitchbend if you want, and patch that to whatever you want. Also the Shuttle Control offers a smoothing algorithm for use with other CC messages, I own a Shuttle Control but haven't made use of this feature so can't comment on it.

I do use pitchbend for pitchbend and to me it sounds very smooth.
benniii
Dark Barn wrote:
Yes that's possible. If you can generate 16 pitchbend messages you could assign every jack on the Shuttle Control to send pitchbend if you want, and patch that to whatever you want.


thanks so much for your help! .. wasn't even sure if my question made sense smile

... ok, just so i get right and to slowly get the concept in general: am i correct that i can "convert" my pitchbend-messages to +/-5V and use these to control any (other) CV inlet of my rig? if so – am i also correct that some modules need +/-10V – and the shuttle control is not able to provide this voltage?

thanks again!
Dark Barn
I'm new to modular, but in my limited experience it is only when dealing with gates or triggers that 5v might prove to be inadequate, there seem to be a few modules that want a hot gate/trigger. Generally speaking, for +/-5v LFOs I am usually attenuating the sweep range, a +/-10v LFO would just require more attenuation.
benniii
thank you – really helping me out, here!
CliffordMilk
I'm trying to get my Octatrack talking to my Shuttle Control via an iConnectivity MIDI2+ but I don't seem to get anything.

Is anyone else using this interface between a MIDI sequencer and the modular? It seems like it should work but I'm getting nothing.
Dark Barn
CliffordMilk wrote:
I'm trying to get my Octatrack talking to my Shuttle Control via an iConnectivity MIDI2+ but I don't seem to get anything.

Is anyone else using this interface between a MIDI sequencer and the modular? It seems like it should work but I'm getting nothing.


Some troubleshooting ideas; is the Octatrack sending on the same MIDI channel(s) that the Shuttle Control is receiving?

Do any of the LEDs light up on the Shuttle Control when you are connected and running the Octatrack?

Does the iConnect show MIDI activity on the front panel?

Have you tried connecting the Octatrack directly to the Shuttle Control with USB?

Do you have other MIDI devices that need to be connected to the MIDI2+? If not you might prefer to connect Octatrack to SC and SC to your computer, the SC will pass MIDI thru from the Octatrack to your computer.
CliffordMilk
Thanks for replying.

I've been using Shuttle Control for a couple of years. It works well when conected directly via a Terasoniq MIDI One cable but these keep blowing on me (I'm now on my 3rd one).

The cheap MIDI to USB converters work OK for single channels but I find they can cause stuck gates when sequencing several channels simultaneously with the Octatrack.

As I have the iConnect MIDI2+ lying around, I thought I'd set it to work. The factory defaults should take MIDI from DIN 1 and send it to all outs. I can control soft synths in Live with it but Shuttle Control doesn't respond (althought it does recognise the connection).

It isn't a faulty module as Andreas kindly sent me a new unit to try and the behaviour was the same.

I just wondered if anyone else was using the iConnect MIDI2 successfully with Shuttle Control and if so, whether any special configuration was necessary.
Dark Barn
You could try not using the MIDI2+ interface at all? I think the Shuttle Control will pass MIDI beat clock through both the host and the device ports. It might be worth a try to just connect the Octatrack to the Shuttle Control using the Octatrack's USB port. As in Octatrack>USB cable>SC to host, and then SC to device>USB cable>computer.

I'm not a MIDI expert unfortunately, but I suspect the fact that both the SC and the MIDI2+ are MIDI interfaces is causing some problem for you. If you are on Mac you could open MIDI Studio and look at the devices, make sure they are identified and properly connected.

But again if you only have these three pieces of kit to worry about you can skip the MIDI2+ altogether. You shouldn't need the Terasoniq, just some USB cables.
scottmoon
CliffordMilk wrote:
I just wondered if anyone else was using the iConnect MIDI2 successfully with Shuttle Control and if so, whether any special configuration was necessary.


I was trying that yesterday to send midi from Linnstrument to Shuttle. It didn't seem to work.
CliffordMilk
The Octatrack does not send MIDI over USB, unfortunately - so I have to use some adaptor somewhere along the line.

Oh well...
Dark Barn
Oh! I assumed that's what the USB jack on the Octatrack was for!

In that case you can try this; connect Octatrack to MIDI2+ connect MIDI2+ to computer. Connect Shuttle Control to computer. Handle MIDI routing in your DAW, no experience with Ableton, but in Logic I would then set up the Shuttle Control as an external MIDI instrument track.
CliffordMilk
I think that would work and that you are correct in that the problem seems to be that both devices are MIDI hosts (although I'm pretty ignorant in this area).

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. However, I think I'll ditch the idea of using the MIDI2+ as I don't really like using a computer for music if I can avoid it.

Perhaps if I see a used Elektron TM-1 on the market I'll snap that up instead.
scottmoon
Or you could pick this up
http://www.juno.co.uk/search/?q%5Bequipment_title%5D%5B%5D=Shuttle+Mat e

And patch this

CliffordMilk
Yep - Might be the best way.
Sinamsis
I'm about to pick up one of these. Just wondering if they've updated it to send clocked LFOs? Also, any folks run into issues using it with Ableton or Logic (these are my two main DAWs)? I'm transitioning from an Expert Sleepers set up.

As an aside, I wish I had known about this module a few months ago. I had a Roli Seaboard Rise I was using it with an FH-1. I just found the FH-1 to be completely inflexible without having knowledge of coding. In the end I had to get rid of the Rise because I just wasn't happy using it with the FH-1. In retrospect I wish I could've kept it and used it with this. Maybe I'll snag another in the future. In general, I really like the Expert Sleepers stuff, but I don't think I'm savvy enough to get what I want out of them. The editor for this module makes it seem like a perfect option for me. I'm really hoping this will be my solution to integrating the modular with the rest of my studio.
jzwoopwoop
Sinamsis wrote:
I'm about to pick up one of these. Just wondering if they've updated it to send clocked LFOs? Also, any folks run into issues using it with Ableton or Logic (these are my two main DAWs)? I'm transitioning from an Expert Sleepers set up.

As an aside, I wish I had known about this module a few months ago. I had a Roli Seaboard Rise I was using it with an FH-1. I just found the FH-1 to be completely inflexible without having knowledge of coding. In the end I had to get rid of the Rise because I just wasn't happy using it with the FH-1. In retrospect I wish I could've kept it and used it with this. Maybe I'll snag another in the future. In general, I really like the Expert Sleepers stuff, but I don't think I'm savvy enough to get what I want out of them. The editor for this module makes it seem like a perfect option for me. I'm really hoping this will be my solution to integrating the modular with the rest of my studio.


The LFOs are unfortunately totally free running. Would love to be able to sync to midi clock, but that functionality just doesn't exist yet (syncing to midi and analog clock would be awesome, but considering that SC only has outputs and no inputs, it seems impractical to even suggest sync from analog clock).

Beyond that, everything else about this module couldn't be easier. The web editor is simple and straight forward, and I think you'll find it to be a good alternative to the expert sleepers stuff, considering your particular concerns.
Dark Barn
No experience with the Roli but the Shuttle gives me full control of two simultaneous voices from the Linnstrument, could squeeze in a third voice by dropping a control parameter. In my case my main set up is v/oct x2, gate x2, pitch x2, velocity x2, aftertouch x2, Y axis x2, that just leaves 4 slots remaining. In the new Linnstrument firmware there is release velocity like the Roli, but I haven't tried it yet.
Sinamsis
Dark Barn wrote:
No experience with the Roli but the Shuttle gives me full control of two simultaneous voices from the Linnstrument, could squeeze in a third voice by dropping a control parameter. In my case my main set up is v/oct x2, gate x2, pitch x2, velocity x2, aftertouch x2, Y axis x2, that just leaves 4 slots remaining. In the new Linnstrument firmware there is release velocity like the Roli, but I haven't tried it yet.


Dude, the fact that you can even do this relatively easily without knowing anything about writing code makes this leagues ahead of the FH1. Sorry, but I'm just fed up of feeling like a total f'ing moron. I just wanted to do simple things like assign the xy pad, or three sliders to outputs and maybe control a couple voices with slide, glide, etc. The only leg up the FH1 has, as far as I see it, is the option of buying expanders, without needing a second FH1.

Btw, I took the plunge on the SC. There are so many other things I can do with this module that the tempo synced LFO's aren't a deal breaker (I ordered a Batumi as well). I initially bought the ES-40 set up to be the bridge between my modular system and my DAW/rest of my studio. I also wanted it to be the complete control for my system and obviate the need for envelope, LFO, random modules etc. I had envisioned a system of Expert Sleepers, VCOs, filters, VCAs. I actually found this to be a pretty good set up for having a system of several mono-synths with a very "East Coast"oriented system. However, in the end I just wasn't satisfied with it. So really I just want to transmit pitch and gates for a few voices. Aftertouch and velocity at times. Polyphony occasionally, which is AWESOME to have that option. And clocks, 24 PPQN is a nice bonus. May use it to do some gate sequencing occasionally but I have other options for that. The fact that it transmits polyphonic aftertouch is amazing.

Anyways, I'm really looking forward to this. I'm tired of banging my head against the wall with over $1000 invested in my ES set up. Not to mention Ableton imposes limits which essentially makes 2 out of 8 outputs of my expander modules useless. And that will open up my SPDIF ports for audio. So yeah, I'm looking forward to changing things out.
Doublecoolbossman
Anyone know if it is possible to chain this to a CV Pal? I'd like to have my iPad run to the shuttle control, then connect the cv pal to the host port for drum triggers in a separate case.
My interpretation of the manual is that it can receive data from the device and host port simultaneously, but can it send data from device to host?
Phil999
Doublecoolbossman wrote:
can it send data from device to host?

yes it is possible since the last firmware update.
Doublecoolbossman
Thanks for the response... Is there anyway to limit what midi channels are passed through, without adding something else in-between?
Phil999
you can see in the web editor what can be done, and you can even save patches without having the module.

https://www.endorphin.es/cargo2/
Sinamsis
So I just got my SC. My panel has a USB B port instead of the mini USB pictured in the manual. It also looks like it was built a year ago based on the tag attached to it.... Is this an old version? And are there any other differences between the two models?
Dark Barn
The USB B port makes it a newer model.
Sinamsis
Nice! Haha, I was a little bummed when I saw it was different, but I actually much prefer USB B. I can't wait to dig into this!
guestt
Not sure I have misunderstood but the SC definitely does have synced LFO's, from the manual:

19. Tap LFO Square/Spike/Triangle/Sine/Saw rising/Saw falling/S&h/Fluctuating – same as CC conrolled LFO (p. 8 of that manual) but the frequency of the LFO is defined (and syncronized) by three or more taps by a certain (or any) MIDI note.
Sinamsis
Baddcr wrote:
Not sure I have misunderstood but the SC definitely does have synced LFO's, from the manual:

19. Tap LFO Square/Spike/Triangle/Sine/Saw rising/Saw falling/S&h/Fluctuating – same as CC conrolled LFO (p. 8 of that manual) but the frequency of the LFO is defined (and syncronized) by three or more taps by a certain (or any) MIDI note.


Those are tap LFOs. But they're not clock synced, which then you could set divisions and multiples of that clock..... If you have good rhythm, it could be the sameish.... But still not exactly equal, especially when you have an LFO going for more than a few minutes. It will eventually drift out of sync.
Sinamsis
I'm so stupid... I just realized for my application, the tempo synced LFO is not quite as important. I'm using Ableton, so theoretically I should be able to use a MIDI LFO from Max 4 Live, assign it to a CC, and send it out that way. May not work for everyone, but at least an alternative.
Doublecoolbossman
Sinamsis wrote:
I'm so stupid... I just realized for my application, the tempo synced LFO is not quite as important. I'm using Ableton, so theoretically I should be able to use a MIDI LFO from Max 4 Live, assign it to a CC, and send it out that way. May not work for everyone, but at least an alternative.


In that vein, playing with the bouncing ball in lemur with x to smooth and y to stepped voltage is pretty fucking rad.
guestt
Sinamsis wrote:
Baddcr wrote:
Not sure I have misunderstood but the SC definitely does have synced LFO's, from the manual:

19. Tap LFO Square/Spike/Triangle/Sine/Saw rising/Saw falling/S&h/Fluctuating – same as CC conrolled LFO (p. 8 of that manual) but the frequency of the LFO is defined (and syncronized) by three or more taps by a certain (or any) MIDI note.


Those are tap LFOs. But they're not clock synced, which then you could set divisions and multiples of that clock..... If you have good rhythm, it could be the sameish.... But still not exactly equal, especially when you have an LFO going for more than a few minutes. It will eventually drift out of sync.


Huh? That's not right!

Read the description again dude - they are most definitely synchronised - unless you have insider knowledge and are saying Endorphin.es used the word synchronised just for fun?

Rockin' Banana!
Sinamsis
This might be the motivation I needed to finally get Lemur for my iPad (ha, ridiculous I know, since it's like $20).

As an aside, I've been able to update firmware in a few minutes, cranked out a few templates in less than half an hour. I'm about to try it out, but if this thing goes smoothly, I will really be blown away by the ease of use. So far this seems FANTASTIC. I only wish you had the option for an output expander. But I can live with 16 outputs haha.
scottmoon
Sinamsis wrote:
I'm about to try it out, but if this thing goes smoothly, I will really be blown away by the ease of use. So far this seems FANTASTIC. I only wish you had the option for an output expander. But I can live with 16 outputs haha.


I had 2 for awhile. woah
Sinamsis
scottmoon wrote:
Sinamsis wrote:
I'm about to try it out, but if this thing goes smoothly, I will really be blown away by the ease of use. So far this seems FANTASTIC. I only wish you had the option for an output expander. But I can live with 16 outputs haha.


I had 2 for awhile. woah


I'm resisting the urge. This thing is amazing haha.
scottmoon
I received an email from Andreas with the beta for version 3 of the firmware for the Shuttle. The final version of it should be out before the end of the year. A ton of new options. You're going to love it. It's peanut butter jelly time!
Dark Barn
scottmoon wrote:
I received an email from Andreas with the beta for version 3 of the firmware for the Shuttle. The final version of it should be out before the end of the year. A ton of new options. You're going to love it. It's peanut butter jelly time!


Tell us more! We need details!
scottmoon
Here are the listed options

Sinamsis
Envelopes! Holy shit that's huge.
m03hr3
Yes! Have to write Andreas to get the beta smile
grantmoney
Woah, the update looks great! I'd like to see an adjustable root note for the pitch - g4 being 0 seems strange to me.
Doublecoolbossman
Awesome! I just discovered the LFO studio template for lemur. 8 tempo synced LFOs that can be drawn into whatever shape desired. screaming goo yo
jzwoopwoop
Doublecoolbossman wrote:
Awesome! I just discovered the LFO studio template for lemur. 8 tempo synced LFOs that can be drawn into whatever shape desired. screaming goo yo


Holy crap! How has this eluded me? Link please!!
Doublecoolbossman
Its available in the presets that come with lemur for iPad, just have to change midi parameters to your liking. What's also awesome is you can change the LFO amount (no need for attenuation) and lfo range in real time. I haven't figured out how to change the mute settings to work with my setup yet, but even without that this template rules.
One caveat is that you have to send it midi clock in order for it to work. So it works with genome, but I haven't gotten it to with nodebeat yet (Those are the only two I've tried thus far).
Phil999
oh yes envelopes! I was hoping this would be possible with Shuttle Control. And more random/probability options. This update will expand the module's capabilities even more. Very happy about this development, which shows that the developers are not only creating modules, they use them by themselves.
Sinamsis
So, just to be clear, in terms of programming the SC from the computer, data is only sent one way right?

Basically I've made a few presets and transferred them, but I closed the browser window before I could document what I had done... And now I'm having trouble remembering. Am I SOL?
Phil999
yeah it would be nice if one could load presets from the module to the editor ...

Probably mentioned before: I have a small notebook (paper! Pencil!) for my Shuttle Control where I note every preset. Like this I know exactly how the 16 outputs are mapped, for each of the 16 presets.

It's also a good idea to save every preset as .mid file, with a good description in the file name.
guestt
So... finally got a Shuttle Mate - and whoa... the dream finally realised:

All gear perfectly synced up, in phase and tight as a ermmm... very tight thing!

I'm absolutely delighted:

Start/Stop on Octatrack starts/stops:

Octatrack (obviously)
MonoMachine
iPad (directly connected to Shuttle Control via USB/CCK) and...
All the sequencers in Eurorack

I haven't looked at preset switching - but if that works as well as everything else it's going to turn the SC into the craziest rotating clock divider ever, for starters anyway - the possibilities here are mind boggling!

Hats off to Endorphin.es and especially Andreas who is programming all this!

Awesome work thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up
TINCT
Great news re: V3!!! Any idea on release date?
TINCT
Sinamsis wrote:
So, just to be clear, in terms of programming the SC from the computer, data is only sent one way right?

Basically I've made a few presets and transferred them, but I closed the browser window before I could document what I had done... And now I'm having trouble remembering. Am I SOL?


I take screenshots of presets before I upload them so i can recall the settings smile Hope that helps
Dark Barn
Don't you guys use the Dropbox integration? Very simple to recall your settings this way.
jameswalk
Hi all, I'm hoping someone can offer me some help.

I'm unable it seems to properly sync my Octatrack to the SC. This is how I've set it up:

    OT Midi Out into SC.
    Using a SC factory preset D, CV16 is setup as: 'omni'>'synchronisation'>'start/stop".
    OT Transport and Clock are both set to send.


When I press play on the OT, the SC CV16 LED lights up once, and a dot on the display starts to pulse fast, however my sequencer (rene) advances only 1 step.

Interestingly the dot on the display doesn't slow down or speed up when I adjust the OT tempo. And if I continually tap the play button on the OT the sequencer will progress. Also if I change the SC preset from 'start/stop" to 'PPQN', it will advance but with no respect to the OT tempo.

What am I doing wrong? Help greatly appreciated.
Dark Barn
Start/stop sends a high gate to tell a sequencer to start running, I don't think Rene has a 'run' input for this, so you should be sending the PPQN triggers like you tried.

Total guess: I'm guessing that maybe the division of Pulses Per Quarter Note was maybe too low or too high and this is why adjustments on the Octatrack didn't have any affect. Try a different PPQN setting and see if that works? seriously, i just don't get it
jameswalk
Dark Barn wrote:
Start/stop sends a high gate to tell a sequencer to start running, I don't think Rene has a 'run' input for this, so you should be sending the PPQN triggers like you tried.

Total guess: I'm guessing that maybe the division of Pulses Per Quarter Note was maybe too low or too high and this is why adjustments on the Octatrack didn't have any affect. Try a different PPQN setting and see if that works? seriously, i just don't get it


Really appreciative of your help with this but adjusting PPQN settings hasn't helped. Not sure what else to try. Has anyone else successfully used an OT to clock a Rene via SC?
Sinamsis
The description of dots is making things confusing. So basically the LED that is constantly lit is your run signal. You could use that as a a reset signal for your Rene. But that won't make Rene run. Rene expects two clocks to run. A clock for the x axis and a clock for the y axis. There's an X clock input and a Y clock input. Do you have clocks running into both of these? The blinking LED is your clock. Rene only expects one pulse to advance. Honestly a straight clock is probably the least interesting thing to feed Rene. You'd be better off using a gate sequencer like a uStep or something.
Dark Barn
The dot is the MIDI activity light on the numerical display I think. I don't think you can expect that light to sync to your tempo. Not that you aren't having sync issues, but the activity light isn't an indicator and should be disregarded other than to check that you have some MIDI information being sent.

jameswalk are you connecting the Octatrack with the MIDI 5 pin to the USB 'host' port?
visible cow
I see someone earlier in the thread asked about using the SC with the Cirklon's USB outs and I'm asking again. I can't imagine why it wouldn't work but if anyone can confirm that would be great.
adolfgottmann
Just received mine, but got problems with the DC in connector. Tried with the Dc adapter i use to power one of mine doepfer cases and it doesn't seems to fit. To be precise, the plug does fit in the hole, but I can't manage to make the connection with the pin. Tried even with the DCadapter of my zoom h2 recorder, very small in diameter, but no joy either. I can't figure out if the pin on the shuttle is misplaced (it seems a bit off centre) or I'm just using wrong adapters. Suggestions?
guestt
From the manual:

It accepts 12-20V DC voltage input via 2.5 mm outside diameter (0.098”) DC IN connector. The center pin corresponds to positive (+) and the shield corresponds to ground (-).

Maybe polarity?

Check the specs dude!!

Highly unlikely that the pin is off centre, the whole socket may not be perfectly aligned with the panel making it appear that way, but the pin in the socket is a complete part and as it's enclosed it's unlikely to have been damaged.
grantmoney
visible cow wrote:
I see someone earlier in the thread asked about using the SC with the Cirklon's USB outs and I'm asking again. I can't imagine why it wouldn't work but if anyone can confirm that would be great.


I use the Shuttle Control with the Cirklon via USB- no problems at all!
adolfgottmann
Yes, but I was referring to just the mechanical impossibility to get the pin to fit in the hole of the plug, nothing to do with polarity or voltage specs. I guess the smaller plug I've tried is a bit wider than 2.5 mm, so maybe I have to take a trip to the local electric shop...or maybe some of you guys can post a link to help a fellow wiggler (hopefully to a web shop in EU),
Anyway thanks baddcr



Baddcr wrote:
From the manual:

It accepts 12-20V DC voltage input via 2.5 mm outside diameter (0.098”) DC IN connector. The center pin corresponds to positive (+) and the shield corresponds to ground (-).

Maybe polarity?

Check the specs dude!!

Highly unlikely that the pin is off centre, the whole socket may not be perfectly aligned with the panel making it appear that way, but the pin in the socket is a complete part and as it's enclosed it's unlikely to have been damaged.
guestt
Just sounds like an incompatible power adapter...

If you look at the picture here, this is how it should look:

http://www.rubadub.co.uk/tiptop-audio-15v-2000ma-external-power-supply -uzeus

Hole in end of power adapter should be quite big in relation to the overall size of the plug itself.
adolfgottmann
Mine looks like this (looks the same to me):



Baddcr wrote:
Just sounds like an incompatible power adapter...

If you look at the picture here, this is how it should look:

http://www.rubadub.co.uk/tiptop-audio-15v-2000ma-external-power-supply -uzeus

Hole in end of power adapter should be quite big in relation to the overall size of the plug itself.
Dark Barn
Can't tell from your photo what size the barrel is. They aren't all the same. If yours doesn't fit then it's probably the wrong size barrel. 2.1mm is one of the most common but 2.5 and 3.5 are pretty common also. I forget what the SC uses off hand.

Also can't tell what the polarity is. Most consumer electronics are center positive, but some things like guitar pedals mostly are center negative. Using wrong polarity can let the magic smoke escape.
adolfgottmann
Ok, thanks for the advice.
on the other hand I might try to power the SC from a doepfer psu3 busboard (at least for the moment), would it be any problem? The manual says that the SC might harm other +5v adapters already on the busboard. The psu3 outputs +5v/2000ma so I wonder if it might get harmed by connecting the SC. Anyone tried to power the SC from a psu3?
novotnik
they have a list of compatible power adaptors in the manual, right ? i just got one of those that they recommend and it works perfect.....
adolfgottmann
novotnik wrote:
they have a list of compatible power adaptors in the manual, right ? i just got one of those that they recommend and it works perfect.....


Where? There is a paragraph discussing specs (page 4) but I can't find the list you are referring to seriously, i just don't get it [/u]
jzwoopwoop
adolfgottmann wrote:
novotnik wrote:
they have a list of compatible power adaptors in the manual, right ? i just got one of those that they recommend and it works perfect.....


Where? There is a paragraph discussing specs (page 4) but I can't find the list you are referring to seriously, i just don't get it [/u]


Keep looking. End of the document. We promise it's there.
adolfgottmann
Blimey, I'm so embarassed right know, that I'm seriously considering changing username to avoid the shame...I was browsing the manual version 1.3 ....Google isn't always your friend....just grabbed the right version (2.02) directly from endorphines.es website and it's all there. Thanks Guys and shame on me very frustrating



jzwoopwoop wrote:
adolfgottmann wrote:
novotnik wrote:
they have a list of compatible power adaptors in the manual, right ? i just got one of those that they recommend and it works perfect.....


Where? There is a paragraph discussing specs (page 4) but I can't find the list you are referring to seriously, i just don't get it [/u]


Keep looking. End of the document. We promise it's there.
jzwoopwoop
adolfgottmann wrote:
Blimey, I'm so embarassed right know, that I'm seriously considering changing username to avoid the shame...I was browsing the manual version 1.3 ....Google isn't always your friend....just grabbed the right version (2.02) directly from endorphines.es website and it's all there. Thanks Guys and shame on me very frustrating


All good! Happy you found it!
novotnik
yeah nanners
guestt
If we had to change our usernames to avoid shame then anyone who is honest and interacts with a genuine spirit would have changed their name several times by now grin

So fuck it, we all make mistakes... no one thinks any less of you!!

Enjoy It's peanut butter jelly time!
Riggar
I found I kept referring to the manual - so I make up a crib sheet to help a little - attached may be useful...
fourhexagons
I bought one of the new v2 Shuttle Controls (with the full-sized USB 'to device' port) from Perfect Circuit around Thanksgiving and finally got around to testing it out today.

Well, I'm disappointed with the tuning/tracking in V/OCT mode. I hope, though, that something can be done to remedy the situation soon before the 30-day return policy window closes.

PROBLEM: I can't get my most accurate oscillator (Tides) to track accurately within 1 octave.

TEST #1
Compare Shuttle Control with Yarns by playing a series of MIDI notes into Tides while keeping an eye on a tuner.

SHUTTLE CONTROL
• SC CV2 is set to 1 V/OCT and is connected to Tides V/OCT input
• Using Ableton Live, I feed SC a MIDI clip containing a G4 note
• I then tune Tides to a G4
• In Ableton, I feed SC a MIDI clip containing consecutive notes from G-1 to G8 and watch the tuner
• The tuning varies from 40 cents sharp to 18 cents flat throughout the range and within the octave of G4 to G5, the pitch goes 12 cents flat.

SC's results are outside of an acceptable range of detuning for my taste. That is, I prefer to make in-tune, Western, equal-tempered music.

YARNS
• Yarns CV is connected to Tides V/OCT input
• Using Ableton Live, I feed Yarns a MIDI clip containing a G4 note
• I then tune Tides to a G4
• In Ableton, I feed Yarns a MIDI clip containing consecutive notes from G-1 to G8 and watch the tuner
• The tuning varies from 14 cents sharp to 7 cents flat throughout the range and within the octave of G4 to G5, the pitch goes 3 cents flat.

Yarns' results are within an acceptable range of detuning for my taste.

SOLUTION?
There doesn't appear to be any way of fine-tuning the 1v/OCT scaling, so it appears that I'm just stuck with it being like this. Really?

TEST #2
I then repeated the tests using a smaller range of notes (just two octaves from C4 to C6) and playing the notes slower so as to make it easier to read the tuner on each note.

SHUTTLE CONTROL
• Tuning varies from about 6 cents sharp to 13 cents flat throughout the supplied two-octave range. Too far for my taste! d'oh!

YARNS
• Tuning varies from about 3 cents sharp to 3 cents flat throughout the supplied two-octave range. Totally doable! applause

SOLUTION?
WTF am I missing here? very frustrating
Has anybody else experienced this? Can anybody else repeat these tests (or something similar) to compare?

help

I'm really hoping that I can get the Shuttle Control working with a level of accuracy to match Yarns as I want to use it with a Squarp Pyramid. What had attracted me to the SC in the first place was that:

1. It can power the Pyramid over USB without the need for MIDI cables. The FH-1 apparently has issues supplying enough power. You see, the Pyramid has only one USB port which both powers it AND transmits data, so of course, I could power it via the wall wart and just go MIDI out into Yarns, but I'm trying to streamline my setup and it's pretty attractive to be able to just plug a USB cable between the two and be done with it.
2. The Shuttle Control has 16 jacks as opposed to Yarns and FH-1's 8 jacks. More voices in the same amount of space, plus I won't need Yarns' arpeggiator/sequencer with the Pyramid.

Thanks in advance.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

we're not worthy
guestt
Endorphin.es win!!!

This is fun! This is fun! This is fun! This is fun! This is fun! This is fun! This is fun!

I love my Shuttle Control!!!
fourhexagons
Update on Shuttle Control tuning/intonation
Andreas immediately responded to my initial email with the suggestion to try out the new v3 beta firmware which has a calibration procedure to compensate for non-linearities of DAC itself and tolerances of the parts in the DAC to CV scaler.

I was able to use the sweet gear that Tyler Coy of Alright Devices has (a 5 1/2 digit desktop multimeter) to do the calibration. It took a while to go through it all as we found that after using the auto-generated offset values, many of the outputs were still pretty far off. So we went through one-by-one and adjusted the values manually so as to get them all reading as close as they would allow. Some of the outputs were more accurate than others and I've made note of the better-performing ones.

It's now performing better than before in terms of intonation, but still not quite to where I want it to be. Andreas has been super attentive and helpful throughout this process and it's a testament to Endorphines' customer service. He outlined some additional steps for us to follow on our next round of tests. I hope to get the chance to run these with Tyler after New Years.

FWIW, I discovered that tuning my oscillators to a G4 at 0V (cable plugged in, and feeding them a 0V fixed voltage from SC) results in a different octave than when I give the oscillators a G4 note in Ableton. So, this may account for some of the tuning problems. That is, I wasn't tuning to 0V for the initial tests, instead, I was feeding the oscillator a G4 note in Ableton and tuning them rather high. This might have something to do with European vs American standards of octaves where G5 in Europe = G4 in US. Or at least that's what I think is the difference. I plan to investigate this further with Tyler. If anyone can help clear this up, please do.

Also, it looks as if my STOs track very well, seemingly better than Tides (perhaps because Tides has been calibrated to Yarns). Again, I plan to test this further when I get more bench time with the multimeter.

I'll post our results in voltages (and not just cents from a tuner via an oscillator) to give a more accurate report.

Looking forward to that.

Whatever the case, I was able to make this piece using the Shuttle Control and just re-tuning the oscillators once the range of notes in the parts had been established. Sounds great within that smaller range of these melodies. My hope is that once we do more tests, I'll be able to tune to G4 @ 0V and just set it and forget it!



Happy New Year, wigglers. Catch you soon.
Riggar
fourhexagons wrote:
FWIW, I discovered that tuning my oscillators to a G4 at 0V (cable plugged in, and feeding them a 0V fixed voltage from SC) results in a different octave than when I give the oscillators a G4 note in Ableton. So, this may account for some of the tuning problems. That is, I wasn't tuning to 0V for the initial tests, instead, I was feeding the oscillator a G4 note in Ableton and tuning them rather high. This might have something to do with European vs American standards of octaves where G5 in Europe = G4 in US. Or at least that's what I think is the difference. I plan to investigate this further with Tyler. If anyone can help clear this up, please do.

First of all - many thanks for this input; very useful and I look forward to firmware 3 and the work Endorphin are going.

Regarding the above (I want to contribute to the debate not critizing)- I don't believe there's a particular voltage standard that manufacturers adhere to, regarding their oscillators v/oct inputs. SC have decided to equate G4 for instance with a 0v output. BUT what is it going into? AND what might be the settings? I think there's a general misconception - certainly one I had/have - that when an oscillator is at it's default settings (if that can be determined) ie course and fine controls set to (for example to zero) - then ANY oscillator will always play the same note. Not true - well not in my case. So, as I've picked up many times in these forums, that there is often a 'tuning up' phase required for certain patching requirements.

I'm not clear about this bit 'I discovered that tuning my oscillators to a G4 at 0V (cable plugged in, and feeding them a 0V fixed voltage from SC) results in a different octave than when I give the oscillators a G4 note in Ableton.' - so it'll be useful to see the results of any further investigations.
Riggar
Update

Out of interest and in terms of trying to add additional info, I decided to run some similar tests.

Test 1
Using pitch 1 v/oct on SC via Ableton and playing a series of Cs (C2 to C8) thru usb to SC to a Dixie II oscillator I got (after a bit of fine tuning) the following

C2 -1.3 cents
C3 +4.9
C4 +1.58
C5 +0.56
C6 +4.5
C7 -2.06

At the same time the Dixie is playing, I'm taking an additional output feed to the MORDAX DATA module's tuner. If gives, amongst other things, a frequency reading to 2 decimal places (though this gets more difficult to 'average' the higher you go). So comparing the actual reading against what the particular note frequency should be (e.g. C3 = 130.81 Hz - assuming here a 440 Hz standard) you can calculate the cents difference. http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-centsratio.htm

Test2
Yes, agree setting up the SC to output fixed voltages produces a different scale than that suggested - so a G4 (0v) is show G3 on the tuner. This just might be a quirk of the SC editor?
Actually the voltages output are not spot on either. I'll do a further test and add here later.
kwil
It probably makes more sense to measure output voltages, otherwise you are relying on how well an oscillator tracks as well.

Initially my shuttle control voltages were

-G1 -4.98
G0 -3.98
G1 -2.99
G2 -2.00
G3 -1.01
G4 -0.02
G5 0.96
G6 1.95
G7 2.95
G8 3.94

Which I wasn't happy with.

After calibration (3 dp as I got a more precise multimeter by then)

-G1 -4.985
G0 -3.997
G1 -2.998
G2 -2.000
G3 -1.000
G4 -.002
G5 .999
G6 1.995
G7 2.997
G8 3.995

Which I was a lot happier with.

Or rounded to 2dp

-G1 -4.99
G0 -4.00
G1 -3.00
G2 -2.00
G3 -1.00
G4 -0.00
G5 1.00
G6 2.00
G7 3.00
G8 4.00
fourhexagons
Kwil made a good point to measure output voltages instead of tuner cents as we want to measure the MIDI-CV interface itself and not the interface plus the tracking of this or that oscillator.

That said, I set up presets on the Shuttle Control to output fixed note voltages (-5, -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5) and re-ran all the measurements using Tyler Coy's 5 1/2 digit benchtop Rigol Multimeter.

My results are in this Google Spreadsheet: Shuttle Control Calibration

• The first spreadsheet tab (Shuttle Control v2 initial) contains values measured after returning the unit to v2 firmware.
• The second spreadsheet tab (Shuttle Control v3 calibrated) contains values measured after updating the unit back to v3 firmware and calibrating the offsets with the calibration web app.
• The third spreadsheet tab (Yarns comparison) is included as a comparison to show how accurate a 16-bit MIDI-CV converter can be. For what it's worth, I used a less-accurate Fluke 115 portable Multimeter to take these Yarns measurements.
• The fourth spreadsheet tab (Shuttle Control v3 offset values entered) contains the actual offset values I entered into the calibrator app. These values may differ very slightly from the values in the first tab as I took a second set of measurements when performing the calibration and used that second set of measurements (v3 firmware) instead of the initial set of measurements (v2 firmware).

I calculated the offsets in cents:
The Shuttle Control's 12-bit conversion over a 10V range gives a total of 4096 CV values. This gives 409 values per octave, or roughly 34 values per semitone with the step of each value being approximately 0.0024V, or 2.4mV. Knowing that an octave (1V) is 1200 cents, I used these numbers to calculate the offset values in cents. I just find that while the voltages are important, it helps me to also see it in cents. Math isn't really my strong suit, so if my spreadsheet equations are incorrect, please let me know.

Kwil, I should note that by rounding to two decimal places, you're essentially rounding to 10mV, which (provided my calculations are correct) is a whopping 12 cents!

A comparison of the pre and post calibration values shows that the middle of the range (closest to 0V) is improved after calibration, yet the extremes (closer to -5V or +5V) are actually worse. That surprised me. Fortunately, the middle of the range tends to be the usable part, musically speaking.

When comparing with Yarns, it's obvious how much more accurate a 16-bit conversion can be. It's pretty impressive and seems to have a consistent curve across the range, whereas the Shuttle Control has a lot more bumps. This, I figure, has something to do with the DACs used.

Alright, so my opinion? In the end, I plan to keep the Shuttle Control. Would I prefer for it to be more accurate? Yes. If Endorphines were to make a 16-bit version with more accurate DACs, would I buy it? Yes. Definitely. But the fact of the matter is that the thing is 12hp, has 16 freaking outputs and can power my Squarp Pyramid with a single USB cable. This allows me to set up 4 v/oct + gate pairs, 4 cc to smoothed-bipolar cv outs, and 4 more trig outs for clock/Euclidean triggers. Quite impressive flexibility from a small and elegant package. Not to mention that I can also use it to power more modules in my case if needed.

I will be keeping my Yarns, however, just so that I have a more-accurate MIDI-CV interface at hand. It won't likely live in my performance case alongside the Shuttle Control, but I still feel that it's worth hanging on to for safe keeping. Who knows, maybe someday I'll experiment with all the microtonal options that thing can facilitate.

My workaround for the tuning/intonation discrepancies with the Shuttle Control is to just re-tune (fine tune) as needed, by ear. And that's just part of working with any modular system, really. It's not nearly as much work as it is with a Buchla, for example. Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith says that she tunes her Easel about 5 times per set because it just won't STAY in tune. So, in the end, it's a good exercise and at least these offsets are fixed and aren't changing/wavering over time.
corduroyflipflops
hmmm..... So does the SC work with Android tablets?

The question was asked a while ago but no definite answer was given
corduroyflipflops
So I emailed Andreas at 1am and he insta replied. How's that for service!

Has an Android 6 tablet been tested with the SC? Here is the reply from Endorphins.es...

Quote:
Recently (probably around recent summer) Lemur was ported to Android and our friend from Liine - Nicolas tried Shuttle within Android tablet and everything was fine (as soon as certain tablet supports USB OTG either directly either via OTG adapter).


I'm a happy bunny It's peanut butter jelly time!
fourhexagons
Has anybody who is currently using v3 firmware had trouble with the SC USB 'to host' input? It has worked before, but today can't get it to recognize any devices plugged into it.

When I use Ableton to transmit MIDI to the SC via the 'to device' input, it works fine. It also works to relay MIDI from any of my devices through the computer's MIDI interface and then into the SC via the 'to device' input.

But for some reason, today, I'm getting nothing when plugging my devices (Pyramid, OP-1) directly into the SC via the 'to host' input.
fourhexagons
I just noticed that there's a new firmware update, Shuttle Control v.3 – 070117R. I just updated the SC with this firmware, but still the issue remains.
CliffordMilk
Could someone post a link to the new firmware update?

There's nothing that can touch this module. Also, in my experience, the help and support I've received from Andres and Moritz has been fantastic.

From experience, if you are using an older hardware sequencer (like an Octatrack smile) then buy a terrasoniq midi one cable. It's the only one I know that can handle fast transfer of midi data on multiple midi channels. The Optocouplets in this cable are better than any other. However, I've learned from experience that this cable will blow if you plug in a module backwards or if you get any kind of kick back. Give Shuttle Control it's own power source and you will never go wrong.

On another note, Shuttle Control is the onlyEuro module I know that favours a left-handed configuration. Fantastic:)
fourhexagons
CliffordMilk wrote:
Could someone post a link to the new firmware update?

The links I'm using are at the top of Cargo3: https://www.endorphin.es/cargo3/index.php
CliffordMilk
Is anyone here using Shuttle Control with an Elektrom TM1, MIDI to USB converter? If so, I'm guessing it requires Shuttle Control to be powered from its own supply - right?
kwil
fourhexagons wrote:
Has anybody who is currently using v3 firmware had trouble with the SC USB 'to host' input? It has worked before, but today can't get it to recognize any devices plugged into it.


Not been having problems using controllers connected to 'host' on v3. I did have at one point with a preset I created where it seemed to lose or freeze the connection on 'host' until I unplugged my computer from 'device'.
Phil999
I see no difference in functionality or USB connectivity when the SC is self powered or externally powered. Why should there be a difference anyway?
fourhexagons
kwil wrote:
fourhexagons wrote:
Has anybody who is currently using v3 firmware had trouble with the SC USB 'to host' input? It has worked before, but today can't get it to recognize any devices plugged into it.


Not been having problems using controllers connected to 'host' on v3. I did have at one point with a preset I created where it seemed to lose or freeze the connection on 'host' until I unplugged my computer from 'device'.


Thanks, kwil. Yeah, I've experienced that, too with the computer cable. But currently, SC isn't recognizing any devices whatsoever. I'm doing lots of tests with the help of Andreas. I'll report back once things are sorted out.
eastablishrec
Hi
I've been using SC for two months,, been struggling to connect with my Octatrack but finally it become stable.

At first I bought iConnectivity MIDI2+ together with the SC but unfortunately it didn't work. Actually it does work with old model of MDI2+ but not current model. So I bought Shuttle Mate,, it worked but only for 1 MIDI channel. I asked Andreas about it and he told me to wait for firmware upgrade (his response is usually very quick). While I was waiting update, as Andreas suggested, I tried cheap MIDI to USB cable and it worked.
However, as other user mentioned, if I send many different MIDI signal from many different channels, Gate signal stack.

Andres made Mate's upgrade very quick so I tried,, then fail. But after trying for few days, suddenly I could successfully done upgrade.

Now finally I can fully enjoy SC with Octatrack. This module really opened up many control possibility and now I can't rid of it.
Riggar
kwil said "It probably makes more sense to measure output voltages, otherwise you are relying on how well an oscillator tracks as well".

Agreed - though in my case I wasn't very clear in the description. The feed from SC was to a buffered mult - one direct to the Data module to do the measuring and the other to the Dixie for convenient listening!
fourhexagons
To update, it turns out it was a power issue.

TL;DR
The Shuttle Control—whether powered via bus power or by an external power adaptor—is unable to provide enough current to reliably power the Squarp Pyramid. Therefore I must use the USB wall-wart power adapter that ships with the Pyramid. Since the Pyramid's USB port is also its only power port, this means that I cannot also use the USB port for MIDI. Instead, I have to use the din connector MIDI out from the Pyramid connected to the cheapo MIDI to USB adapter cable that Endorphines recommends to get into the Shuttle Control.

Power tests in long form:

1. Emptied my Elite 208 case (with Make Noise power) and plugged in only the Shuttle Control via bus power.
• Connected QuNexus via USB to top host port and it worked
2. Powered the Shuttle Control via external power adapter (unplugged from bus power)
• Connected QuNexus via USB to top host port and it worked
3. Put Shuttle Control back into my new case (MDLR 12U with one Doepfer PSU3 per 6U piece) powered via bus power
• Connected QuNexus via USB to top host port and it worked
• Connected Pyramid via USB to top host port and it didn't work
• Connected QuNexus via USB to top host port (after having unplugged Pyramid) and it didn't work
• Power cycled the case (switched off and on) then connected QuNexus via USB to top host port and it worked
4. Disconnected Shuttle Control bus power cable and connected external power adaptor
• Connected Pyramid via USB to top host port and it didn't work
• Power Pyramid via USB to wall wart power supply
- Connected Pyramid via MIDI to USB adaptor cable to top host port and it worked
5. Re-connected Shuttle Control bus power cable and disconnected external power adaptor
• Power Pyramid via USB to wall wart power supply
- Connected Pyramid via MIDI to USB adaptor cable to top host port and it worked
• Power Pyramid via bottom host port on Shuttle Control
- Connected Pyramid via MIDI to USB adaptor cable to top host port and it didn't work
• Power Pyramid via USB to wall wart power supply (without power cycling the case)
- Connected Pyramid via MIDI to USB adaptor cable to top host port and it didn't work
• Power cycled the case then power Pyramid via USB to wall wart power supply
- Connected Pyramid via MIDI to USB adaptor cable to top host port and it worked

So from all this, I can tell that the Pyramid requires lots of current and only works now when using the USB to wall wart power supply that ships with the unit.

But why did everything work just fine last week when I plugged the Pyramid directly into the Shuttle Control? I have no clue.

But, I have it working now and that's a major relief.

I'm not convinced of the build quality and reliability of the cheapo MIDI to USB adapter cable that Endorphines recommends, so I'll probably look into the Shuttle Mate to solve that. Also, it would be nice to merge the MIDI from the Pyramid with any other devices like the OP-1, QuNexus, computer, etc.
Phil999
the device's power adaptor indicates how much mA the device needs. Sometimes it's also written on the device itself. If it is over 500 mA, it's likely that it won't get enough power from standard USB ports (although there is a tolerance up to 1000 mA, depending on the USB port and the device).

Several USB powered devices need 1500-2500 mA. Especially when they have audio outputs (amps need more power than controller ICs). They can only be powered with the included power adaptor, or with special high-power USB ports one can find in modern computers, or with power packs featuring such USB ports. The Endorphin.es Shuttle Control does not feature such a high power USB port.

fourhexagons wrote:

But why did everything work just fine last week when I plugged the Pyramid directly into the Shuttle Control? I have no clue.

well it may work once, but that's probably just a rare exception.
djthopa
Weird, i have been powering the pyramid with the shuttle for some quite time now hmmm.....
fourhexagons
Thanks for chiming in, Phil999 & djthopa. Yeah, I think it's totally weird because the Pyramid requires just 500mA. The included power supply is 5V 500mA. Maybe there's something else going on. I'm open to ideas as I'd love to be able to just plug the Pyramid in directly.

I was able to get it to work via bus power for about a week straight. And then, mysteriously, it stopped working. As far as I know, nothing changed about my setup when it stopped.
Riggar
Anyone know when the v 3 editor might be available?
fourhexagons
Riggar wrote:
Anyone know when the v 3 editor might be available?

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2436266#2436266
Phil999
fourhexagons wrote:
The included power supply is 5V 500mA.

hmm, theoretically this should work. You probably tried with different USB cables, I guess. That could also be a reason (although very unlikely, but you never know).

What are the guys at Endorphin.es saying?
fourhexagons
Phil999 wrote:
fourhexagons wrote:
The included power supply is 5V 500mA.

hmm, theoretically this should work. You probably tried with different USB cables, I guess. That could also be a reason (although very unlikely, but you never know).

What are the guys at Endorphin.es saying?

Yeah, that's why it's so perplexing. Theoretically, it should work, and it did... for a while. It just makes me think that I'm missing something. I tried all sorts of USB cables and none worked. I'll also add that my settings on the Pyramid are correct. I'm sending out MIDI A + USB and I have those outs configured in the MIDI out settings.

My guess is that the other modules in my case are drawing more of the current and somehow cutting into the Shuttle Control's serving size, so to speak. I'm not an electrician by far, so I really don't know the theory behind this stuff.

As for Endorphines' take on this. Andreas has been super helpful and patient in troubleshooting this issue and my previous issue of tuning/intonation (for basically the past 30 days). He's very attentive and quick to reply. So, just for the record, in terms of customer support, Endorphines has been really great. Thank you for all the help, Andreas.

But as for what he has to say about the power issue, basically, the conclusion we came to was to use the Pyramid power supply and go MIDI out into the aforementioned cheapo MIDI to USB cable (or MIDI into Shuttle Mate to make the conversion to USB for the Shuttle Control).

It's a solution that works and gets me back to making music and that's super important right now since I have a show coming up in 2 weeks where I'll be using all of this totally new setup. There's a lot to learn and get comfy with before the show with this new Pyramid + Shuttle Control setup.

But the question still remains why other Pyramid + Shuttle Control users are able to plug directly in, but I am not.

That said, it would be awesome if somehow we could figure out why mine is behaving like it is.
guestt
Suggestion: unplug all your other modules (if you're powering them from the SC it's just one cable!) and just leave the SC and the Pyramid connected - if it then works you can reasonably assume it's because there's not enough power.

I can't think of any other reason!
SvenskLjudporr
I recently experienced unstable output voltages when using bipolar v/oct (v2).

Has anyone else had this problem?
fourhexagons
Baddcr wrote:
Suggestion: unplug all your other modules (if you're powering them from the SC it's just one cable!) and just leave the SC and the Pyramid connected - if it then works you can reasonably assume it's because there's not enough power.

I can't think of any other reason!

Yep, that's a good suggestion. It turns out that I had tested that after step 2 in my tests. But just for good measure, I did it again with my empty Elite 208 case (I plan to sell it this week on the FST board).

That is, I connected the Shuttle Control to bus power in the otherwise empty Elite case and plugged the Pyramid directly into the SC 'to host' input. It powers the Pyramid as it always does, but it continues to exhibit the same behavior of disallowing any communication. Furthermore, the 'h' doesn't appear on the display as it should when connecting a device into the host input.

Keep the ideas coming.
fourhexagons
I just had an idea:

What's up with the 5V jumper on the back of the Shuttle Control? There's no jumper on mine, which if I understand correctly, means that the SC is not delivering 5V to the bus. Would it help to put a jumper on this? Would this increase my 5V when the SC is being powered by my case?

I'm guessing the answer to that is no, and that the 5V jumper is for when the SC is used with an external power supply and has nothing to do with situations when it is being powered by the case.

Anybody?
Riggar
fourhexagons thanks - doh!
fourhexagons
I know it seems like all I have is problems with the Shuttle Control, but basically, that's what's up these days.

Can anybody using v3 firmware confirm that fixed note voltages work correctly on their Shuttle Control?

To test, I have a preset [download .mid file] that outputs various fixed note voltages on all the outputs.

When I load this into the Cargo3 editor and write the preset to my module, I get the letter 'P' on the display showing that the preset is being written. However, the outputs don't put out the correct voltage. I expect to see the LEDs at different brightness levels of red or green depending on the selected voltage of the output, and I expect the corresponding voltages to be present on the respective outputs. This doesn't happen. Instead, all LEDs are off and all outputs are at 0V.

Anybody want to load this preset (or create one of their own) and test?

I'm trying to determine if this is an issue with the Cargo3 editor, or my module. Seeing that this is the same module that won't communicate with my Pyramid when plugging connected directly via USB, and that the fixed note voltages stopped working at the same time that the SC started having those communication issues, I'm seriously considering that there's just something wrong with my module.

I've reached out to Andreas (yet again) and once I hear back, I can update this thread.
Riggar
I didn't use your file (I've not sussed a way to write a midi file to the SC using Windows yet). So instead I used the SC v3 web editor direct and simply set up the 8 C notes on 1 to 8 SC output ports

1 - C-2 -5.0 v
2 - C-1 -4.0 v
3 - C -3.0 v
4 - C1 -2.0 v

etc.

The results were garbage - output 1 had spot on -5v - so did out 2 and 3, out 4 had -4.0v and various incorrect readings for the rest. I tried several different 'memory' slots on the SC, and tried things like all outputs to 'not used' and just output 1 set to things like F#-2 which should read -4.50v - that still gave -5.0v. I gave up after this as there just seemed to be no real pattern.

Flipped back to latest version 2 - repeated the above - and readings as expected (from previous tests) very slightly off here and there... Gs in this case (not Cs as intended in v3) to give whole volt readings ....


1 G-1 = -5.01
2 G0 = -4.00
3 G1 = -2.99
4 G2 = -1.98
5 G3 = -0.96
6 G4 = 0.05
7 G5 = 1.05
8 G6 = 2.07
9 G7 = 3.07
10 G8 = 4.08
11 G9 = 5.10

Wait to hear back from Endorphin
fourhexagons
Thanks for testing, Riggar. It's good to hear that yours at least works. But I hadn't even considered that the resulting voltages might not be accurate. And this is after you have successfully calibrated the module?

To be clear, though, my issue is that all outputs set to fixed note voltages result in 0V regardless of which voltage is selected in the editor, and regardless of how many attempts I make in the Cargo3 editor to load current preset/load all presets.
Riggar
No the module is not calibrated - I see calibration is mentioned in the update firmware list for v3 - but I've not found instructions for it ???
fourhexagons
Riggar wrote:
No the module is not calibrated - I see calibration is mentioned in the update firmware list for v3 - but I've not found instructions for it ???

Oh, calibration will make a world of a difference. At the bottom of the Cargo3 editor you'll see a calibrator button. The instructions are below the button. Click the button to navigate to the calibrator page.

FWIW, I feel that the instructions could stand to be also put on the top of the calibrator page, just for easy reference. Whatever the case, the instructions at the bottom of the Cargo3 editor read as such:

Quote:
You may need a voltmeter to read the values from all Shutte Control jacks in case you feel the output pitch CV of the Shuttle isn't linear enough. Tuning applies to all pitch CV outputs incl. quantized random outputs. All values are entered in millivolts (third comma after integer).

READ: read currently saved (adjusted values). Set all to -3V - all outputs are set to -3V (to measure them with the voltmeter). Set all to 0 or +3 - same but all outputs will be adjusted to 0V or 3V. After you measured all CV output values (16*3 values) and entered them in the table, press WRITE. To check your corrections after tuning - press Set all to corrected -3V, 0V or +3V to check if new values are adjusted to a proper integer voltage values (measure with voltmeter again)

Play test notes - continuously plays a sequence of upcoming C-notes to tune oscillator to v/oct scale. Switch to a normal preset first to use that player after calibration.
Riggar
fourhexagons - thank you! I'll be checking it out asap
Dark Barn
To save anyone else a minor headache; to use the v3 firmware you need the v3 editor. Seems logical except there is no link to the v3 editor on Endorphin.es web page. I had updated mine to v3, tried using the v2 editor and things were not working. After updating and rolling back a handful of times trying to troubleshoot my problem I just manually changed the URL to /cargo3/ and that landed me on the correct page. d'oh! works now!
Riggar
Dark Barn While you are there with V3 check out the fixed note voltage if you get a chance - see if you get any issues as a couple of us have experienced.
Dark Barn
Riggar wrote:
Dark Barn While you are there with V3 check out the fixed note voltage if you get a chance - see if you get any issues as a couple of us have experienced.


All I have for metering is a Division 6 VM, which is not precise, only measures to the first decimal. Everything checks out within a one decimal range, although clearly that's not close enough for everyone I did not have any problems like you were having with any voltages being way off.
Riggar
Dark Barn wrote:All I have for metering is a Division 6 VM, which is not precise, only measures to the first decimal. Everything checks out within a one decimal range, although clearly that's not close enough for everyone I did not have any problems like you were having with any voltages being way off.

Ok thanks for that. I'll have another go @ V3 and do a calibration and check out the results again. If i still get issues - I'll get in touch with Endorphin.
Doublecoolbossman
Just wanted to share this as an example of the SC with lemur and random notes from nodebeat. I always watch a bunch of videos before buying modules, so I hope this is helpful to someone.
Sorry for crappy phone quality.

Phil999
version 3 firmware and calibration:

It appears that calibration might be necessary from what I read here and from my own experience. Tonight I made the update to v.3, and was first confused by the files (Windows) in the downloaded archive. They are not needed at all, except one, the dfu file.

After the update I was very surprised to find that the module was far off regular tuning. I was definitely not in the mood to calibrate 16 outputs, but in the end it was a rather quick and painless procedure. So here's a short tutorial how to proceed:

1. connect Shuttle Control to internet computer and go to

www.endorphin.es/cargo3

You will need a MIDI capable browser

2. go to the calibration page and click on "set all to -3V". Now all outputs are set to the voltage Shuttle Control thinks is -3V. Measure all outputs. No need to write values down or to create a spreadsheet, simply enter the measurements into the table of the calibration page. Do the same for 0V and +3V, and hit "Write".

Done. Notice that you have to enter all measurments in millivolts. Adapt the range of your voltmeter accordingly in order to have stable readings. If your voltmeter isn't accurate enough for the last digit like mine, simply enter a zero (e.g. when you read 2.98, enter 2980). This last digit is certainly not a problem.

After that calibration the Shuttle Control module should output regular tuning voltages. There are many great new features in v.3, this time I probably will use all 16 presets (in v.2 I used maybe 8 or 9). Thank you Endorphines crew for this module and for this firmware update.
RoaFL
Should I wait to update?
Hearing some stuff about v3.
Riggar
version 3 firmware and calibration:

unfortunately whenever I try to set something I get a 'www.endorphin.es says timeout' message. The only calibration request that appears to do something and doesn't give a message is the 'play test' option. ????

I can write presets no problem - very odd
Phil999
that's strange. I never encounted a failure of this online editor, in v.1, v.2, and v.3. I can only guess that it has something to do with your browser settings, but I'm not good in this department. I would contact Endorphines.
Riggar
Ok reason for getting 'time out' messages was me using web based editor V3 when in fact the Shuttle Control was @ V2 firmware. Even though I had attempted to update at least 3 times from 2 to 3, and it appeared successful - it wasn't. So a slow and careful re-try and this time it was fine.

You can also get a 'time out' message if you are NOT using a webmidi enabled browser. Not so in my case. Chrome and Avast browser are ok - apparently Opera is also good but I've not used that.

A couple of useful clues ...
If you are in Editor v3 right by where you 'Write Current Preset' command it should read 'Shuttle Control v3' - if it reads v2 it means the web editor has dectected v2

Also when Shuttle Control has been updated to v3 - on switch on, you'll see a '3' as the first part of the mini read out animation.

Phew! Now all good - big thanks to the guys @ Endorphin for their speedy help and assistance.
Riggar
Calibrated the Shuttle as Phil999 technique above - thanks

Grabbed a 6000 count multimeter - so I can read volts to +/- 6V to 3 digits precision (within the accuracy of the meter of course).

And get the following (raw) data ... cents 'off' in brackets

C1 = -2.002 (+2.5)
C2 = -1.001 (+1.2)
C3 = 0 (0)
C4 = 0.998 (-2.5)
C5 = 1.993 (-8.6)
C6 = 2.992 (-10)
C7 = 3.998 (-2.5)
C8 = 4.989 (-13.8)

So not too bad - bit of a shift around C5 / C6 but we're running into meter resolutions here in any case. I need to do some listening tests as it'll be that, that really matters.
Dark Barn
Is there a synchronization setting in the editor that will send one trigger per bar, assuming 4/4 time signature? For me the PPQN (no divisor) setting sends 24 PPQN, the division PPQN/24 sends a trigger every quarter note, PPQN/96 seems to be sending a trigger every 3 beats IIRC. What's up?

I'll have to test more when I get home.

I used to slave a Pam's to the SC and get all my divisions/multiplications from pam's. For the time being I only have the SC but am running into problems getting the specific divisions I need. For the time being I am setting up a MIDI channel with notes sending triggers to make the beats I need but this isn't ideal.
adh82
This module is just waiting for me to hit that buy now button. But before I do I have a question, is there a way to use this as my master on/off power switch and have my 4 tiptop Zeus powered busboard connected to it?
scottmoon
Depends on how much power you are drawing. Check their manual for capacity but 4 bustards full of modules (especially digital) is probably too taxing. FUUUCCKKKK!!!
adh82
Well each Zeus busboard is powered so what I'm trying to achieve is tapping the power inlet and switch and having it connected directly to the wall wart. Wondering if there was anyway to connect this without having to mod/void the warranty.
Are there any outputs/connections that would allow me to do so?
Dark Barn
Sitting here testing the sync divisions on my Shuttle Control. And definitely not getting PPQN/96, all the other divisions seem to work. PPQN/96 is behaving as PPQN/128.

Can anyone else on v3 test and confirm for me? Set up PPQN/64 and PPQN/96 next to each other and see if they are in playing at a 2:1 ratio or a 3:2 ratio.
scottmoon
adh82 wrote:
Well each Zeus busboard is powered so what I'm trying to achieve is tapping the power inlet and switch and having it connected directly to the wall wart. Wondering if there was anyway to connect this without having to mod/void the warranty.
Are there any outputs/connections that would allow me to do so?


No, it won't work that way.
Sinamsis
So I'm having this really weird issues where I have outputs 12-16 as different sync functions. They work fine in ableton until I enable a track to send MIDI data for voices I have on outputs 1-11. When I start sending data here, the sync outputs stop working. Any clue as to why this might be happening?
adh82
scottmoon wrote:
adh82 wrote:
Well each Zeus busboard is powered so what I'm trying to achieve is tapping the power inlet and switch and having it connected directly to the wall wart. Wondering if there was anyway to connect this without having to mod/void the warranty.
Are there any outputs/connections that would allow me to do so?


No, it won't work that way.


No worries, thanks for the info.
Dark Barn
Good news, I'm not crazy! Andreas from Endorphin.es confirmed the incorrect behavior of PPQN/96 and has posted a firmware fix. Remember to back up your settings before installing new firmware. Or if you don't need PPQN/96 then take a pass, nothing else in the new version afaik.
Huddlemuff
Did you get an answer on this? I have been using yarns in this way, and it seems to have better voice allocation, but one must be careful of yarns' myriad of options... it's always nice that you can save presets though...

Also, when you're in 4voice poly mode, can you use the other 4 CV outputs for modulation?

Thanks


kwil wrote:
I've just bought this module and very impressed with it but wonder if the polyphony is working properly on mine. I have upgraded to the latest firmware v.2.0.16–281215R.

The issue is that when there are free voices available, the next output allocated is the next one along regardless whether there is another one that is free. This means it can try to take another voice that is already engaged even where there is a free one available.

I have tried to demonstrate this with default preset 4 is which a 4 voice polyphony mode. I can't keep the first note playing continuously whilst playing other notes, eventually new notes stop the old notes playing.



Is it working like this for everyone else or is something wrong with mine?

Assuming Yarns uses the same kind of algorithm in their dispatcher mode of midipal in poly mode, I would prefer it to work like that. It would be cool if Shuttle Control could offer an additional poly mode if not changing the existing behaviour.
Huddlemuff
by the way... nice demonstration. thumbs up
Sinamsis
I thinks Yarns handling of polyphony is some of the best I've used, period. Great algorithm. I believe the SC works in a round robin fashion.

Anyone else with my issues of losing all synchronization outputs when using MIDI? Specifically in Ableton?
kwil
V3 firmware gives you the option of using V1 voice allocation instead, which I much prefer and okay with. But I agree Yarns (which I don't have but assume the same as midipal) has the best and most natural voice allocation algorithm.

Huddlemuff you are free to configure the outputs as you see fit. 4 voices would take up a minimum of 4 cv pitch and 4 gate outputs, leaving you with 8 outputs to configure to taste.
Dark Barn
Sinamsis wrote:
I thinks Yarns handling of polyphony is some of the best I've used, period. Great algorithm. I believe the SC works in a round robin fashion.

Anyone else with my issues of losing all synchronization outputs when using MIDI? Specifically in Ableton?


Gonna take a guess since I don't have Ableton, and since nobody else is chiming in. Disable Sync on the Shuttle Control MIDI input in Ableton? I know the SC can send and receive MIDI, and Ableton can slave to incoming MIDI clock. I'm guessing if you enable an external instrument track with sync on the input that Ableton might be able to still play but stop sending clock? Total guess! Hope I made sense.
Sinamsis
Dark Barn wrote:
Sinamsis wrote:
I thinks Yarns handling of polyphony is some of the best I've used, period. Great algorithm. I believe the SC works in a round robin fashion.

Anyone else with my issues of losing all synchronization outputs when using MIDI? Specifically in Ableton?


Gonna take a guess since I don't have Ableton, and since nobody else is chiming in. Disable Sync on the Shuttle Control MIDI input in Ableton? I know the SC can send and receive MIDI, and Ableton can slave to incoming MIDI clock. I'm guessing if you enable an external instrument track with sync on the input that Ableton might be able to still play but stop sending clock? Total guess! Hope I made sense.


Thanks, I thought of that and I'm pretty sure it's not enabled, but I'll double check I didn't screw anything up later. Ha, I'm guessing from the silence it's something I'm doing wrong. Shot out an email to Endorphin.es as well.
zynapse
kstl wrote:
Next stop is try with some Ipad apps that can control those parameters, and use with some random Reaktor sequencers and Numerology, imo the best software sequencer out.

Lot of stuff in mind, so little time... very frustrating


When using Numerology for LFOs with Endorphins Shuttle Control what do you choose as target module and target parameter e.g. using square wave as clock source and sine wave as modulating source?

zynapse
After a weekend of trying all options it would appear that none work - LFOs from Numerology are not communicated to SC. SC has its own LFOs the frequency of which is determined by the cc which is input using SC editor.




As far as I can see the controller communicates anything to do with a key press e.g. pitch, gate, velocity, aftertouch, key pressure. All other CV outs in SC are independent of controller e.g. noise, trigger, LFO, tap LFO.

Way off or close enough?
Dark Barn
Can you assign the LFOs in Numerology to a CC#?

Edit: I would also recommend trying to use a Synchronize setting on the SC for clocking instead of a square LFO.
zynapse
Dark Barn wrote:
Can you assign the LFOs in Numerology to a CC#?

Edit: I would also recommend trying to use a Synchronize setting on the SC for clocking instead of a square LFO.



That might be just what I need to do ... thanks for the suggestion ... looks like a lot of CC#s but I'll give it a shot.


Dark Barn
Ok my friend! I actually just got Numerology recently and didn't know how to set it up for this, but since you asked i took the time to figure it out! You're gonna like this, see if you can copy this routing using a CC Gen module.

CC Gen Module, ctrl-click minimum value to assign a modulation source, then copy the settings you see.



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Dark Barn
Pay special attention to put them in No Scaling mode and to connect the LFO Outs to CV ins on the routing panel.
zynapse
Dark Barn wrote:
Pay special attention to put them in No Scaling mode and to connect the LFO Outs to CV ins on the routing panel.



That is fantastic! - very grateful. Can't wait to put this into action. Have been hitting my head against the wall with this stuff...
Dark Barn
I'm right there with you! This is actually the second time I've owned Numerology. The first time I found it too daunting to get the routing I needed. Then I repurchased it a few weeks ago, and haven't invested the time yet. But your question made me really want to figure it out for myself, and it works great so I'm glad you asked! smile
RussiaZero23
Does Any one have 2 shuttle controls in there system?

If so How does the computer handle 2 Shuttle controls at the same time, also will the editor handle 2 shuttle controls at the same time?

I just got a shuttle control and was thinking about getting another one to expand all the outs.
Dark Barn
I'm on Mac, so if you're on a PC I can't answer that. But it would be pretty easy to set up multiple Shuttle Controls on a Mac, I imagine it shouldn't be hard on a PC.
scottmoon
RussiaZero23 wrote:
Does Any one have 2 shuttle controls in there system?

If so How does the computer handle 2 Shuttle controls at the same time, also will the editor handle 2 shuttle controls at the same time?

I just got a shuttle control and was thinking about getting another one to expand all the outs.


I use to. Only have 1 now waah On my Mac they would show up as 2 USB devices numbered accordingly. As least as far as I can remember. Things get hazy lately.
RussiaZero23
Thanks for that. I am on a Mac.

Why do you only have one left Scottmoon? Did you not like it.

Having 2 should give me 32 outs to play with, plenty of LFO and trigger, and Clocks.

I also use Reason and Hardware Sequencers (MPC4000) in my studio and having every thing working together is nice. I have had the Shuttle Control for 4 days now and The possibilities of its use keeps increasing.

I was thinking about the Expert sleepers ES-8 paired with this but not sure any more. It might be better to just upgrade the sound card for more channels and get a 2nd Shuttle control.
scottmoon
RussiaZero23 wrote:
Why do you only have one left Scottmoon? Did you not like it.


I downsized and needed the real estate and moolah. screaming goo yo
RussiaZero23
Very good reason.

Any one else with dual Shuttle controls? Also How did you like having 32 custom outputs?
adh82
I just got a SC and it's brilliant!
I was syncing my pams in v2 with Ableton as the master clock with no probs but since I installed v3 syncing Pam is a massive problem.
The PPQN setting just doest seem stable, I'm getting a pretty big drift.
If I'm on 120 BPM it will drop to 110 the back up then to 114 and back up to 120 and so on... really unstable.
I downgraded back to v2 and now pams is syncing again nice and tight!
I'd really like to use the extra Fuctions in v3.

Is anyone else syncing Pam to the SC with v3 without issues?
CliffordMilk
I use Shuttle Control and Pam too but haven't really tested since I upgraded. I'll try and test later and let you know.

Like you say, V2 is flawless.
lrclazer
Just picked one of these up and I'm running V3. Is loading existing presets from the module still an open issue? I consistently get timed out.
RussiaZero23
If you mean up loading to the web browser the current patch to see what is saved

For example I turn on module go to patch 2 , open web browser connect module to computer.

Try to retrieve the current patch Number #2 so that the web browser matches what is the current patch.

Then No. I get timed out as well. I am on The very latest version 3.

I also have trouble calibrating the Shuttle control via the web browser. I measured all voltages and there are 3 columns that do not change, so I inputted my results and pressed write. Nothing changed.

Could any one explain the procedure better, Maybe pictures or a video?
Beware
Could I get an experienced take on how much power a Shuttle Control can supply? I want to power a 104hp drum skiff and a Squarp Pyramid. The skiff is under around 900ma +12 and 500ma -12. Shuttle Control draws around 500ma I believe.

PS: I'd also appreciate recommendations for suitable PSUs for it. Here's the skiff as it stands: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/426251
scottmoon
Should be OK and you might want to read the manual. thumbs up
Phil999
Beware wrote:
Could I get an experienced take on how much power a Shuttle Control can supply? I want to power a 104hp drum skiff and a Squarp Pyramid. The skiff is under around 900ma +12 and 500ma -12. Shuttle Control draws around 500ma I believe.

PS: I'd also appreciate recommendations for suitable PSUs for it. Here's the skiff as it stands: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/426251


this may work, but the cable that comes with the Shuttle has only 5 additional connectors. Myself I never powered more than 5 modules with the Shuttle. When the rack became bigger I bought a 4ms ROW 40.

I use an old laptop PSU with 90W and (outdoors) lithium-based battery packs with 4A output.
lrclazer
RussiaZero23 wrote:
If you mean up loading to the web browser the current patch to see what is saved

For example I turn on module go to patch 2 , open web browser connect module to computer.

Try to retrieve the current patch Number #2 so that the web browser matches what is the current patch.

Then No. I get timed out as well. I am on The very latest version 3.


Does anyone know if this works with v2?
RussiaZero23
Phil999 wrote:
Beware wrote:
Could I get an experienced take on how much power a Shuttle Control can supply? I want to power a 104hp drum skiff and a Squarp Pyramid. The skiff is under around 900ma +12 and 500ma -12. Shuttle Control draws around 500ma I believe.

PS: I'd also appreciate recommendations for suitable PSUs for it. Here's the skiff as it stands: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/426251


this may work, but the cable that comes with the Shuttle has only 5 additional connectors. Myself I never powered more than 5 modules with the Shuttle. When the rack became bigger I bought a 4ms ROW 40.

I use an old laptop PSU with 90W and (outdoors) lithium-based battery packs with 4A output.


I am powering 9 modules @
943mA +12
720mA -12
10mA +5

I contacted Endorphins about it before and the main concern is heat build up.
The Shuttle control should be able to to provide 1000mA on the +12
and close to 1000mA on the -12 but I would not do that.

My case is open and ventilated with free flowing air.

In an enclosed case I would not venture past their recommendations.
Phil999
my case is closed and sometimes exposed to the sun. That's the reason why I went with the ROW40, and don't use the Shuttle power.

Correction: the flying bus cable that comes with the Shuttle Control has 6 additional connectors, not 5. So it was a maximum of 6 modules I was powering with the SC.
Beware
Well I got everything hooked up. Seems to provide enough power at least for all the modules, I haven't added the Pyramid to the mix yet.

How do we get complex modulation out of this? I know with Expert Sleepers gear you can draw whatever LFO you want in your DAW, can we do that with SC?
Dark Barn
If you can draw a CC in your daw you can assign the SC to output that, straight up or smoothed.

There isn't a SC plugin, so you're limited to whatever your DAW allows you to do.
Phil999
Dark Barn wrote:
If you can draw a CC in your daw you can assign the SC to output that, straight up or smoothed.

There isn't a SC plugin, so you're limited to whatever your DAW allows you to do.

yes, there are countless possibilities. There are many interesting software sequencers, like Xronomorph. I you have an iPad or iPhone there are again lots of MIDI note/CC sources available.

And as Dark Barn said, there can be even more accurate control over Shuttle Control CV outputs.

https://www.dynamictonality.com/xronomorph.htm
le_palace
has anyone had any problems with overloading the PSU on shuttle control? I'm planning a rack that runs 975mA (+12V), 535mA (-12V), 0mA (5V). This puts +12V right at the 1A max.

Is this foolish? Should I back off the power? Manual says 'general efficiency' at 87-90%. Also worried that once something gets plugged in to 'to host', it'll fry.

Any advice would be great! Here's my rack (just missing shuttle, optomix, and rene)

http://imgur.com/a/3ZWKI
El_Miguel
New Firmwareupdate 3.4

https://www.endorphin.es/cargo3/
RussiaZero23
le_palace wrote:
has anyone had any problems with overloading the PSU on shuttle control? I'm planning a rack that runs 975mA (+12V), 535mA (-12V), 0mA (5V). This puts +12V right at the 1A max.

Is this foolish? Should I back off the power? Manual says 'general efficiency' at 87-90%. Also worried that once something gets plugged in to 'to host', it'll fry.

Any advice would be great! Here's my rack (just missing shuttle, optomix, and rene)

http://imgur.com/a/3ZWKI


your modular grid shows a module that has unknown power so you may not have accurate power calculations.

1 - I did some thing similar but my case is open and fan cooled. If you have a closed case DO NOT DO IT. You will overheat things and why take the chance.

2 - At that power you may get the shuttle control locking up if you plug things into the USB connectors. I had to power all external controllers via their own power supply as I drew to much from the shuttle control.

3 - Start shopping for a real long term power solution now. Before you get any more gear. You do not want to fry anything and have to send things over seas to get fixed (on your dime).

4 - The shuttle control can handle a lot but you better have good Climate control and if you push it you case has to be a Skeleton case for maximum airflow. So if this is not your circumstance then you need a new power solution ASAP. Do not blame me or others if things fry. If your on the edge now then you understand there are risks for playing there.

Good luck and be safe.
le_palace
thanks for the response and sharing your experience, RussianZero!! fyi, the unknown power is RIP - a passive module. but either way, it seems this isn't going to be my power solution. ill have to go smaller or look elsewhere! it's a shame
Dark Barn
Is the 'Pitch 1 V/oct & -/+ 2oct p.bend' setting working for anyone? It was added in v3.4 but for me it only puts out 0V.

About to email Andreas about it but wanted to see if anyone else has the same issue.
MA-CHEW!!
I'm not one to usually post a fix my issue post.. but this has been incredibly frustrating.

I just got the SC to replace yarns and i'm getting strange behavior trying to set up a 6 voice mono config similar to the yarns 4M with a different midi Ch for each voice. I'm guessing my issue is with my lack of understanding how the SC handle voice allocation and poly. Here's a screenshot of my preset.
Does anyone see anything obvious that I'm overlooking?\
Thanks for any help! Guinness ftw!

I'm sending Midi from OT with a m audio USB uno

Dark Barn
Set them all to Voice 1, use the Voice 2 and up when you are sequencing chords or polyphony on a single midi channel.
MA-CHEW!!
Dark Barn wrote:
Set them all to Voice 1, use the Voice 2 and up when you are sequencing chords or polyphony on a single midi channel.


d'oh! was that all?! very frustrating

Thanks for the prompt reply.
Will give it a go when I get home
d.thomas
I'm considering powering a small system via Shuttle Control and a Mean Well power supply. Total power consumption is safely under SC specs however there is a total of 12 modules (including SC). Ideally what I'd like to do is attach the 4ms Bus Stick to Shuttle Control instead of using flying bus cables in order to power more modules.

My question is how safe and reliable is it to power 11 modules from SC under the following specs? How concerned should I be about heat? Nearly 1/4 of the total power consumption is from SC. When powering externally should this still be taken into consideration?

Modular system: 520mA +12v / 420mA -12v / 0mA 5v

Mean Well GST90A15-P1M: 90W / 15V / 6A

4ms Bus Stick: passive distribution board

RussiaZero23
I powered These below with the shuttle control with the passive 4ms Distro board as well.
Power Consumption: 1028 mA +12V | 780 mA -12V | 20 mA 5V | Depth: 45 mm || Number of Modules: 15

I ran this for a month before upgrading the power supply. I was right at the edge and my case was an open case to deal with heat (no back or enclosed case). Based on your modular grid specs you are well below the specs and should be fine.
funqpatrol
Have you guys have any success with Digitakt midi over USB with shuttle control? Just wondering as I'm considering the DT
Funky40
firefox vs. chrome for the editor ? ( OSX 10.11 )
edit: nevermind, i went with chrome......
RussiaZero23
I wish the editor was standalone and not dependent on the Internet to work.

But it seems to be getting better every time (the updates) growing with more power. I wish I had the rack space for another one.
Funky40
hmm, i try to run the SC from the digitakt. no luck
(edit, i know the USB is sending midi out. it works with the FH-1 )

i´ve uploaded my preset to a slot in the SC,
what i got to see in the display of the SC was a dot, then a "P".
guess thats vthe confirmation that the preset was loaded, or not ?
anything else to do ?
( i´ve read the manual, but i flew over some parts )
funqpatrol
Funky40 wrote:
hmm, i try to run the SC from the digitakt. no luck

( i´ve read the manual, but i flew over some parts )


That's a bummer
RussiaZero23
What are the midi channels coming out of the digitakt?

The Shuttle control on my end has responded greatly to a few of my USB keyboards (with many knobs and sliders assigned to different midi channels).

The program you made should be using the same midi channels the digitakt is putting out.

For example:

Shuttle control
Jack out 1 = Midi Channel 1 programed for Gate unipolar out

Digitackt midi channel one gate out or keyboard control.

Result should be when on midi channel one on the digitakt being controlled internally or via a keyboard through the digitakt pressing a key on midi channel 1 the shuttle control should send out a gate signal out of Jack 1.

This can be hard to trouble shoot by typing out. much easier to explain in person or verbally.

I do not own the digitakt nor am I familiar with its USB midi implementation.

Double check the Program via the editor and try controlling with a USB controller first (if you have one) then double check the digitackt midi settings and try that way. good luck hope that helps.
Funky40
ok, seems that my own presets for the SC have been loaded to the SC yesterday.
(Thats what i needed to know....can walk from there)
(initial midi channel routing was donne accordingly. not a new one for me wink )


DT and SC:
no, not working over the USB out ! at least not here and now.
DT, Midi-Din out over a conversion cable to USB is working ! ( which also confirms that my patch in the DT is talking to my preset in the SC )
same situation as has been with the FH-1.
Andrew from Expert sleepers had to come up with a patch for the FH-1 to make it work.

i might contact endorphin. (edit: mail sent. i keep you posted if something changes )
what a hassle with elektron meh
(unfortunately is the FH-1 to obscoure for me to patch me my desired patches there. Respectivly am i under the impression that its not possible)
Funky40
my SC seems to receive PRG CHNG messages on all channels.
is there a way to disable the SC to receive PRG CHNGes ?


edit: ok, the manual is clear on this. found it
while mailing about DT i also placed the request to have some options in regards how the SC handles PRG CHNG.
please double the request if you´re in need also.

i for example need to send PROG CHNG out to switch presets ( in my case in the jomox module )
Funky40
funqpatrol wrote:
Funky40 wrote:
hmm, i try to run the SC from the digitakt. no luck


That's a bummer


it has been confirmed that the SC wasn´t running for now with the DT. edit: USB-USB connection with the DT.
But there is movement in this regard . wait a little........should not take too long
guestt
I've been thinking of swapping OT for Digitakt for the very reason of being able to connect directly to the Shuttle Control via USB, and also the probability and other little extra niceties in the sequencer of course, so good to know this thanks!!

I'm really not sure I will swap, OT is ridiculously good as is and I'm not sure I want to take the risk and end up regretting the swap!

I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who has made this swap and is using it in this way with the SC smile
Funky40
the DT vs. OT topic ( in regards to midi2CV sequenzing ) relies to another thread me thinks.
it will make for a interesting topic for shure, and its much likely not donne with 2-3 offtopic posts wink
guestt
I agree!

Perhaps when the SC and DT play together nicely we should do this very thing!!
Riggar
See up a few posts - have updated Excel 'crib' spreadsheet for 3.6 firmware
Montgomery Word
i'm running 8 channels out of the digitakt into shuttle control via USB.
also using ipad to make presets ok SC.
WHAT THE HELL THIS RULES.
Montgomery Word
double post
Ed-B
Hi All, I have just got a Digitakt and I want to control my Analuge Solutions Vostok Delux with it. I want more flexibility than the onboard Midi to CV. Do you think the Shuttle is the best out there for that at the moment? Or is there a better choice?
TINCT
*REPLACEMENT USB TO MIDI CABLE NEEDED!!! HELP PLEASE**

Cliffordmilk earlier in this thread said:

From experience, if you are using an older hardware sequencer (like an Octatrack smile) then buy a terrasoniq midi one cable. It's the only one I know that can handle fast transfer of midi data on multiple midi channels. The Optocouplets in this cable are better than any other. However, I've learned from experience that this cable will blow if you plug in a module backwards or if you get any kind of kick back. Give Shuttle Control it's own power source and you will never go wrong.


However I can't find a Terrasoniq midi to usb cable available!! Mine just broke and i have a gig this weekend.

Is anyone using an alternative with Octatrack>USB to Midi> Shuttle Control?

Such as:

http://www.richtonemusic.co.uk/products/alesis_usb-midi_cable_audiolin k_series_midi-to-usb_cable.asp

or

https://www.maplin.co.uk/p/usb-to-midi-adapter-cable-a03fk

Any good???

Any help would be really appreciated as I really need to organise a replacement asap smile
guestt
Why not the Shuttle Mate TINCT?

Built for this very purpose!

edit: in a pinch you don't even need to rack it, you can just have it floating! I considered making a little box for mine so I could save the rack space, but haven't done it so far.
TINCT
Baddcr wrote:
Why not the Shuttle Mate TINCT?

Built for this very purpose!



Had this thought but if I could source a USB to midi cable it would save a lot of as I only need it for this one purpose - where as Shuttle Mate offers a lot more beside simple Midi to USB conversion.

Thanks so much for your quick reply!! So appreciated!
guestt
No worries smile

Ok, well I also have this and it seems fine:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TIE-Studio-professional-Midi-Interface/dp/B01 487ZA3C/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1507327972&sr=8-2&keywords=usb+midi

Although to be honest, I have no idea on actual latency despite the 'zero claims' I tend not to worry about these things and just adjust signals to suit the patch at the time and on the fly if I become aware of any discrepancy.

I prefer using the Shuttle Mate, I need the 'Thru' wink

There are so many shit MIDI products on the market isn't there,I have tried quite a few of them and given them away to less demanding users hehe grin

You are right the Terrasoniq is an excellent solution for this use case. I wish I had managed to get one too.
TINCT
Baddcr wrote:
No worries smile

Ok, well I also have this and it seems fine:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TIE-Studio-professional-Midi-Interface/dp/B01 487ZA3C/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1507327972&sr=8-2&keywords=usb+midi



Specifically - do you use that to connect Octatrack to USB Eurorack Midi to Cv modules? And if so do you send midi data down multiple channels?

Thanks again for your input!
guestt
Yes, re. Octatrack - to both Yarns and Shuttle Control; I haven't used it for ages and can't remember exactly, but my general mode of operation is to have a drum trigger per midi channel so ... can I say... probably?
TINCT
Baddcr wrote:
Yes, re. Octatrack - to both Yarns and Shuttle Control; I haven't used it for ages and can't remember exactly, but my general mode of operation is to have a drum trigger per midi channel so ... can I say... probably?


PERFECT! Thank you! Much appreciated - hope you have a great weekend, best wishes from Sheffield to Hebden Bridge! smile
guestt
If you can wait until the end of the weekend? I will give it a little test smile
TINCT
Baddcr wrote:
If you can wait until the end of the weekend? I will give it a little test smile


I need to order something tomorrow for delivery Monday so I'm going to risk it!! Thank you so much for offering to test, but if you are sending multiple channels from OT to SC then that'll be fine for me as I only need to send two trigger signals on two different channels for my gig so should be easily done with your suggestion
guestt
Okay cool - I hope I remembered correctly zombie

please let me know how you get on smile
TINCT
Baddcr wrote:
Okay cool - I hope I remembered correctly zombie

please let me know how you get on smile


Will do - thank you!
unexpectedbowtie
This might be a stupid question, but I can't find reference to it in the manual. How do you check which version of the firmware you have loaded on the Shuttle Control?
Sinamsis
Thinking about using this in a skiff with a a couple Rene's and two Pressure Points as well. Does anyone have any experience with these modules being powered by SC? I know they're a little sensitive to PSU.
unexpectedbowtie
Sinamsis wrote:
Thinking about using this in a skiff with a a couple Rene's and two Pressure Points as well. Does anyone have any experience with these modules being powered by SC? I know they're a little sensitive to PSU.


I power a Rene from the SC and haven't noticed any issues!
Sinamsis
unexpectedbowtie wrote:
Sinamsis wrote:
Thinking about using this in a skiff with a a couple Rene's and two Pressure Points as well. Does anyone have any experience with these modules being powered by SC? I know they're a little sensitive to PSU.


I power a Rene from the SC and haven't noticed any issues!


Nice dude, thanks so much, wish I could help you with your quandary... are you looking specifically like v 3.2 or are you trying to distinguish between v2 and v3? Because the latter, at least on a Mac is easily done. If you look at your USB devices under system report, it will tell you V2 or V3. More specifically than that, I have no clue.
unexpectedbowtie
Sinamsis wrote:
unexpectedbowtie wrote:
Sinamsis wrote:
Thinking about using this in a skiff with a a couple Rene's and two Pressure Points as well. Does anyone have any experience with these modules being powered by SC? I know they're a little sensitive to PSU.


I power a Rene from the SC and haven't noticed any issues!


Nice dude, thanks so much, wish I could help you with your quandary... are you looking specifically like v 3.2 or are you trying to distinguish between v2 and v3? Because the latter, at least on a Mac is easily done. If you look at your USB devices under system report, it will tell you V2 or V3. More specifically than that, I have no clue.


Aha! 2 or 3. That's helpful. Not near the rack at the moment, so trying to figure it out before I get back later to have a swatch. Thanks!
kwil
unexpectedbowtie wrote:
This might be a stupid question, but I can't find reference to it in the manual. How do you check which version of the firmware you have loaded on the Shuttle Control?


When you plug it into a computer you can see its name such as Shuttle Control V3. Not sure if it gives the minor version number.
Montgomery Word
is anyone else having a hard time syncing clocks out of the shuttle control?

i can’t get a single clock to sync accurately. i’ve tried multiple machines, multiple cables, multiple firmwares on the SC, and even multiple sequencers. no luck ever.

the only time it **sometimes** works is when i send the sync pulses thru my sputnick envelope follower, but even that stops working after a little while.

i have tried literally 20 hours over the last few months, and it’s frustrating as hell.


EDIT:
Its fixed via version 3.7
thanks Andreas!!!!


"Hi Jon
I assume issue is that clock pulse is too short -around 1ms.
Update the firmware for SC - it is 3.7 folder and you can ise chechbox: 10ms triggers. That will increase length for all triggers out (notes, clock etc) and in 99% all rest gear will accept every trigger from Shuttle.
Andreas. "
defenestration
what are you sending the clocks into? have you looked at your clock outputs with a scope?

most of my modules seem to clock just fine with the shuttle control, but I have to significantly attenuate the clock output from the shuttle control when I send it to sync my fxBox - the clock signal seems to be rather hot and makes the fxBox freak out a bit, and a lot of a euro digital modules prefer 5V clocks instead of what seems to be 10V coming from the shuttle control

actually given all the extensive options for configuring the outputs of the shuttle control, I'm surprised the clocks don't have options to pick a voltage level or pulse length, both of which would be extraordinarily useful - often I want a 10v clock, but sometimes I don't need a clock that hot, sometimes I need different pulse widths, etc. - would like to be able to configure trigger length and voltage level for the trigger outputs as well, would be very useful
Montgomery Word
defenestration wrote:
what are you sending the clocks into? have you looked at your clock outputs with a scope?

most of my modules seem to clock just fine with the shuttle control, but I have to significantly attenuate the clock output from the shuttle control when I send it to sync my fxBox - the clock signal seems to be rather hot and makes the fxBox freak out a bit, and a lot of a euro digital modules prefer 5V clocks instead of what seems to be 10V coming from the shuttle control

actually given all the extensive options for configuring the outputs of the shuttle control, I'm surprised the clocks don't have options to pick a voltage level or pulse length, both of which would be extraordinarily useful - often I want a 10v clock, but sometimes I don't need a clock that hot, sometimes I need different pulse widths, etc. - would like to be able to configure trigger length and voltage level for the trigger outputs as well, would be very useful


agreed on the pulse width ops. needed. after all, we’re better than yarns right!?
defenestration
Montgomery Word wrote:

agreed on the pulse width ops. needed. after all, we’re better than yarns right!?


being able to set clock/trigger pulsewidth to an arbitrary millisecond value would be pretty sexy - endorphin.es seems pretty on top of this so I'll keep my fingers crossed love

even just being able to pick 10ms instead of 1ms for the clocks is pretty big for me, time to update firmware!
Montgomery Word
ACK now for some reason every channel fires with channel 1 midi. no matter what i do, using mpc or ableton. No idea what’s wrong.
v3.7

cv1: midi channel 1 v/oct
cv2: midi channel 2 v/oct
cv9: midi channel 1 gate uni
cv 10: midi channel 2 gate uni

since this wasn’t working, i set the gates to note gate uni and it would intermittently work but then switch to just melding every midi channel together again. this setup worked perfectly under 3.6, but the synchronization wasn’t working. so i guess it’s one or the other. blah.
behndy
was going to ask here about using the Shuttle Control with a Digitakt and found this -

http://www.synthanatomy.com/2017/08/the-endorphin-es-updated-shuttle-c ontrol-firmware-to-v-3-6-elektron-digitakt-support-velocity-trigger-mo re.html

about to sit down and finally try to configure the SC this weekend (have been having mixer/interface issues. making me lagggg on the fun stuff.),

as someone who has never done ANYthing with one, is there soneplace with starter files or templates for different devices to build off of?

or just jump in butts out?

moop?
Sinamsis
behndy wrote:
was going to ask here about using the Shuttle Control with a Digitakt and found this -

http://www.synthanatomy.com/2017/08/the-endorphin-es-updated-shuttle-c ontrol-firmware-to-v-3-6-elektron-digitakt-support-velocity-trigger-mo re.html

about to sit down and finally try to configure the SC this weekend (have been having mixer/interface issues. making me lagggg on the fun stuff.),

as someone who has never done ANYthing with one, is there soneplace with starter files or templates for different devices to build off of?

or just jump in butts out?

moop?


I don't think a template is going to help you, it's really easy, so long as you have a clear goal in mind. It's not like the Expert Sleepers stuff. The HTML editor is pretty easy to use. It's just a series of drop down menus for each output.
Dark Barn
There’s been a few firmware updates since you got your SC behndy, and the editor isn’t always backwards compatible.
Funky40
huh, can´t find a link to the new firmware.
?? anybody ??


and thanks for the headsup behndy !
yeah,what sinamsis sayed. you anyway need to find your own way to work with interconnected gear.
......just to "read" another persons preset might take you longer than to setup your own one.
its supersimple and fast, ....if you know what you want.
otherwise, figure out what you want wink thats a learning process anyway
behndy
lol. WHAT I WANT. i'm listening.

jia. just did the 3.8 update for the Shuttle Control, hooking up the DT now and playing around. sort of? just seeing if it looks like it's triggering because Amazon STILL HASN'T DELIVERED MY FUCKING INTERFACE/MIXER AND MY BACKUP ONE SHIT THE BED SO YAYYYYYYYYYY NO WAY TO HEAR ACTUAL SOUND.

........ ranty.

i mean, i'm going to try running at least one module or VCA out into the inputs of the Elektron, for testy testy purposes.

also, firmware is here if you still needed it suh -

http://firmware.endorphin.es/Shuttle_v3_OSX_update.zip
behndy
hahahhhahahhahahahahhHAHHAHHHHHHAHHHHH!!!

hee. that is me laughing in GLEE. good GAWD this thing is simple as sex to setup.

i am ENAMORED.

now. just have to wait till i have..... the ability to actually LISTEN TO WHAT IT'S DOING to set it up the rest of the way.

but mannnnnnnn i am EXCITED. WOOT.
Funky40
lol

and thanks !
insula
https://youtu.be/bOdTxY2VKC0

new 3.8 firmare video with mpe support.

just amazing.... smile
insula
[video]https://youtu.be/bOdTxY2VKC0[/video]

just amazing.... smile
behndy
insula wrote:


just amazing.... smile


boop!

(gotsta remove the 's' from 'https')
Speculum Speculorum
I've been happily using the Shuttle Control for a little while now, but I've run into an issue over the last week.

Any voltage over 0v (especially on pitch, which is c3) starts creating a very fast "warbling" that increases as voltage (pitch) gets higher. This happens on all the outputs I've tested (3 random ones). I've tested SC it on it's own power source and on my case power to insure it's not an issue with other parts of my system. No other voltage change (such as using an offset to change pitch) causes this to happen, so there's definitely something going on with the SC itself.

I'm on an older firmware and haven't calibrated the unit since I got it. I'm on the first 3.0 firmware. I'm going to try to update and calibrate to see if it fixes the problem. This morning I ran out and got a decent voltmeter (Fluke 110+) and came home and checked things out. Sure enough - my calibration is noticeably off on at least output 1 (the preset I've been using uses pitch out on output 1).

I did not notice the voltage reading changing over time but for a minuscule amount (likely the voltmeter tips moving a tiny bit). I'm hoping this solves the issue. If not, I suspect a component issue, or possibly a problem with the usb connector on the SC. I have tried several USB cables of varying lengths (short, medium, and the longest one can really go on these things). There was no change. I tried different USB ports on my computer. I disconnected all other USB devices. Still getting the same effect.

This is incredibly frustrating. I have been working on sound design for major budget films and I'm now dead in the water on my eurorack setup. In fact, I've already missed a deadline as a result.

I've sent out an email to contact Endorphin.es and can only hope I can get this problem solved quickly.

If anybody has experienced this problem or knows something that might help, please let me know. I'm desperate.
insula
wierd... was working before.. very frustrating

i hope u find a solution, never happend to me on my SC.


anyhow i suggest a firmware update to the last one, many new features.
Phil999
I also recommend the most recent firmware update. Many more additional options.
Speculum Speculorum
I updated and ran calibration in three separate attempts today, all ending with not only the same problem, but the issue actually became worse. The pitch data is actually quite accurate, but there's this kind of buzzing sound and what I can only describe as a very high-rate wobble on the notes.

I have contacted Endorphin.es with this information and am waiting on more information.

If I cannot resolve this issue soon I'm going to likely have to rethink my entire system, which is no small thing at over 600HP, all built around this unit functioning properly.

I may hit the"Nuke It From Orbit" button and switch over to software-based Kontakt orchestral writing, supplementing with software. This is killing me.
Riggar
I had look at my SC today. I don't have enough room at the moment to keep it permanently on stream - so it comes out into a 104hp skiff when I need it.

I updated to 3.8R1 and haven't calibrated. Pumping out C3 from Ableton and monitoring via Data's Tuner I can see the I get drift of approx 8/100 of a Hz (so it ranges from 130.90 hz to say 130.82 hz at a rate of about 3 per second - BUT I can't hear anything and certainly not producing a warble. 8/100s Hz is about 1 cent drifting.
slumberjack
anybody used this module with mcmillen k-mix yet?
especially for live-shows it seems like a huge space battle saver as the k-mix would be the audio mixer, output 'module' (you don't need one with this mixer, it's work perferct with modular levels and does the balancing stuff) and control surface for the sc in one. plus if you're using a laptop then it's your audio interface too.

screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo
funqpatrol
Has the pulse width issue been fixed and set to 10ms? (issue with pulse width being too narrow ~1ms to be detected by some modules )
behndy
slumberjack wrote:
anybody used this module with mcmillen k-mix yet?
especially for live-shows it seems like a huge space battle saver as the k-mix would be the audio mixer, output 'module' (you don't need one with this mixer, it's work perferct with modular levels and does the balancing stuff) and control surface for the sc in one. plus if you're using a laptop then it's your audio interface too.

screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo


see, that is WEIRD to me. i had a K-Mix. wanted to love it HARD. but every damn module i ran into it distorted like butts. was completely unusable with modular.
slumberjack
behndy wrote:
see, that is WEIRD to me. i had a K-Mix. wanted to love it HARD. but every damn module i ran into it distorted like butts. was completely unusable with modular.


there's one hooked in the modular store i like to go.
and also somewhere in the forum i read about.
have you turned the trim fader all the way down (i'm curious cause i wan't one..)?
Wick
Hi
Wick
Hi
Wick
I have a mutable instruments yarns and it's ok but 4cv and 4gates is not enough.i would like to get the shuttle control to use it with the octatrack and also a Digitakt to use both of their 8midi channels what midi USB cable do you guys recommend for the octatrack?
behndy
slumberjack wrote:
behndy wrote:
see, that is WEIRD to me. i had a K-Mix. wanted to love it HARD. but every damn module i ran into it distorted like butts. was completely unusable with modular.


there's one hooked in the modular store i like to go.
and also somewhere in the forum i read about.
have you turned the trim fader all the way down (i'm curious cause i wan't one..)?


yurp. lol. i tried EVERYthing. was in constant contact with their support, we just couldna get it to work without distorting.

plus, the first 2 inputs, if i remember right, don't trim at all near even the still distorty other inputs. if it had a pad for each channel i would totes be into it.

although, since going to the a 16 channel mixer, i would really miss the extra inputs.
3pand
Wick wrote:
I have a mutable instruments yarns and it's ok but 4cv and 4gates is not enough.i would like to get the shuttle control to use it with the octatrack and also a Digitakt to use both of their 8midi channels what midi USB cable do you guys recommend for the octatrack?


I’ve been using the iConnectivity mio with Shuttle Control and Octatrack and haven’t noticed any issues.
Wick
3pand wrote:
Wick wrote:
I have a mutable instruments yarns and it's ok but 4cv and 4gates is not enough.i would like to get the shuttle control to use it with the octatrack and also a Digitakt to use both of their 8midi channels what midi USB cable do you guys recommend for the octatrack?


I’ve been using the iConnectivity mio with Shuttle Control and Octatrack and haven’t noticed any issues.
thanks for advice 3pan I will check it out
slumberjack
behndy wrote:
slumberjack wrote:
behndy wrote:
see, that is WEIRD to me. i had a K-Mix. wanted to love it HARD. but every damn module i ran into it distorted like butts. was completely unusable with modular.


there's one hooked in the modular store i like to go.
and also somewhere in the forum i read about.
have you turned the trim fader all the way down (i'm curious cause i wan't one..)?


yurp. lol. i tried EVERYthing. was in constant contact with their support, we just couldna get it to work without distorting.

plus, the first 2 inputs, if i remember right, don't trim at all near even the still distorty other inputs. if it had a pad for each channel i would totes be into it.

although, since going to the a 16 channel mixer, i would really miss the extra inputs.


sounds like a monday piece. wink

my application would be primarly audio/midi for live shows and midi in the studio.or maybe studio for post production as a supplementory interface.
Wick
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd43tE9gaSo/

Firmware update
Wick
https://youtu.be/DXp7WANEMaY
behndy
ooooooo SLEW! time for ALL the acidy basslines. nice!
monads
I'm assuming the R1 editor is OK? Because it doesn't say R2 per say. Just want to make sure. And THANKS to Endorphin.es for the update!!!

RecycleYourPets
monads wrote:
I'm assuming the R1 editor is OK? Because it doesn't say R2 per say. Just want to make sure. And THANKS to Endorphin.es for the update!!!



Wondered the same thing yesterday but I had no issue using it with my shuttle control with r1 , so maybe it's not actually out yet?
Sinamsis
Question for you guys. How would a dual Shuttle Control set up work? I’ve been using my Digitakt with the SC, and there are so many CCs that could be programmed but go unused. I would like to hook up my digitakt directly to my SC pair. Physically how would I do that? I’m planning on getting a Shuttlemate as well which I would use to connect a Ladik MIDI to gate among some other stuff.

Also, I would be sacrificing a Yarns to do this. Any reason I shouldn’t drop Yarns in favor of a second SC?
djthopa
Sinamsis wrote:
Question for you guys. How would a dual Shuttle Control set up work? I’ve been using my Digitakt with the SC, and there are so many CCs that could be programmed but go unused. I would like to hook up my digitakt directly to my SC pair. Physically how would I do that? I’m planning on getting a Shuttlemate as well which I would use to connect a Ladik MIDI to gate among some other stuff.

Also, I would be sacrificing a Yarns to do this. Any reason I shouldn’t drop Yarns in favor of a second SC?


I think Andreas told me you could use two sc with a usb hub, and the would be recognized as different devices.

So maybe digitak into a usb hub?
Sinamsis
That's an interesting thought. I may reach out to Endorphin.es and see what they think. It be great if they could be daisy chained somehow. Maybe with the Shuttlemate they could? Also would be great if they made an expander.

My other question would be, is there anything on the market that has more outputs than the SC, or can be expanded to have more than the SC, but can also be programmed with such ease and such flexibility? I won't do the FH-1. Even with the new programming software. I've pretty much sworn off all Expert Sleepers. I've just found them to be so cumbersome and it totally ruins my flow. I'm a recovering ES-40 user.
Funky40
Sinamsis wrote:
Question for you guys. How would a dual Shuttle Control set up work?

i´m wondering the same.
but obviously could one use, at least with the DT, the din-midi out for one SC, and the USB-Midi out for another SC.


but brings up also the thought:
wouldn´t the market be here, that a release of a doubled up shuttle control would make sense ? MUCH sense IMHO !
even a quad honestly.........
Doublecoolbossman
Hoping someone can shed some light on this problem I’m having with MPE..
It is pretty badass with the seaboard block, but I’m beating my head against the wall trying to send a sequence to outputs that don’t effect the outputs I have sending mpe signals.

I’ve tried adjusting channels and voices to no avail.

No matter what configuration, notes on separate channels affect my mpe cv outs.

I’m new to mpe, so I don’t know if it’s a limitation of the protocol or if it’s user error.

help
MvK
Funky40 wrote:

but brings up also the thought:
wouldn´t the market be here, that a release of a doubled up shuttle control would make sense ? MUCH sense IMHO !
even a quad honestly.........


YESS!

even in small systems it would make sense. As it is now I'm using all the outputs of the SC for "traditional" data like 1/oct, gate, CCs. And so a 4 voice setup takes up all the 16 outputs. it would be nice to have 32 outs. I would still do a 4-voice setup but would have much more use for the envs and the more experimental features of SC.

my perfect SC2 would be 32 outs, no powersupply and no bulky usb ports on the panel. For that I'd like sth. like the Shuttle mate with din-midi and all the usb ports for installation at the back of the case.

Has someone tried to use the arpeggiator with OMNI? would be nice to have an arp that is fed by the notes of all the channels as an extra output. Tried it once but even if its set to OMNI the arp would take only the notes of channel 1.

Is there some kind of forum at endorphine? didn't find anything. where would you place your feature requests? per EMail?
Speculum Speculorum
I just wanted to bop back in here.

I was having some trouble with my Shuttle Control in the form of a high-speed warbling/buzzing sound that slowly built up over a period of time.

After many attempts to calibrate, and testing several different parameters within my system to insure it wasn't some sort of synergistic problem between the case and Shuttle Control, it was established that the unit was malfunctioning.

Another Shuttle Control was shipped to me. I received it last night and tested it this morning. All signs are now good.

Excellent customer service from Endorphin.es.
Sinamsis
So I bought a second SC. It should be here in the next day or two. Also got a Shuttlemate for it... then I said fuck it and ended up buying a Furthrrr, Terminal and Gateway... well because I have problems and I had money burning a hole in my pocket (I've cleared out half my rack and quite a bit of studio goodies).

On a side note, during this Endorphin.es journey I've met some nice folks and an FB user group has been started. Not sure if there are other ones, but this is the one I ended up joining. Could develop into a nice resource. So if anyone wants to join here's the link


Shuttle Pilots
slumberjack
is it possible to power the sc also via bus?
insula
is possible yes, i use mine powered via bus.
Sinamsis
For those wondering about using a DT with two SCs... It looks like the only way to do it is to use both the MIDI and USB ports of the DT, and then one SC gets the USB and the second will need a MIDI to USB cable. That said, with a Shuttle Mate, there are several options. I'm going to run a MIDI cable from the DT to it, and then use a USB cable from the SM to one SC, and a MIDI cable to my Ladik MIDI to gate. I will use the USB out on the DT to connect to my second SC. A little convoluted, but that should work.
fjoesz
I'm on the latest firmware
I've read somewhere that you can increase trigger length?
I really need that for varigate to sync

*EDIT*
found it (checkbox) and works!


mannnnnnn this thing ROCKS
ipnoteca
would be possibile to control external gear through the usb?

for example control the eventide space or nord drum?

hmmm.....
Sinamsis
ipnoteca wrote:
would be possibile to control external gear through the usb?

for example control the eventide space or nord drum?

hmmm.....


Through CV? No. If you want some sort of merge box you could use Shuttle Mate.
ipnoteca
Sinamsis wrote:
ipnoteca wrote:
would be possibile to control external gear through the usb?

for example control the eventide space or nord drum?

hmmm.....


Through CV? No. If you want some sort of merge box you could use Shuttle Mate.


basically sending cv into the SC and output them by usb
Sinamsis
ipnoteca wrote:
Sinamsis wrote:
ipnoteca wrote:
would be possibile to control external gear through the usb?

for example control the eventide space or nord drum?

hmmm.....


Through CV? No. If you want some sort of merge box you could use Shuttle Mate.


basically sending cv into the SC and output them by usb


There are no cv inputs on the SC. Look at the ADDAC 221/222.
ipnoteca
Sinamsis wrote:
ipnoteca wrote:
Sinamsis wrote:
ipnoteca wrote:
would be possibile to control external gear through the usb?

for example control the eventide space or nord drum?

hmmm.....


Through CV? No. If you want some sort of merge box you could use Shuttle Mate.


basically sending cv into the SC and output them by usb


There are no cv inputs on the SC. Look at the ADDAC 221/222.


cheers thank you for your help!
drowld
Would be amazing to have a shuttle control with 32 outputs and without the power supply. I would buy one instantly. Lots of interest for it in the community i think with the increase of sequencer like digitakt/digitone/octatrack/mpc
neonmercury1
drowld wrote:
Would be amazing to have a shuttle control with 32 outputs and without the power supply. I would buy one instantly. Lots of interest for it in the community i think with the increase of sequencer like digitakt/digitone/octatrack/mpc


Same! also because it seems to handle the op1 integration the best.
Funky40
drowld wrote:
Would be amazing to have a shuttle control with 32 outputs and without the power supply. I would buy one instantly. Lots of interest for it in the community i think with the increase of sequencer like digitakt/digitone/octatrack/mpc


please mail everyboy to Andreas /Endoprhin.es who shares that same wish !
i´ve donne my mail 4 " new module-Request" allready wink

personally for me, with the PSU option, at least to power the shuttle-C by itself
lvankanten
Does anyone have Portamento working?

I've only setup one voice, per the manual, and I've sent CC#5 at max, but I don't hear any portamento on my voice.
guestt
+1 for a 32 output version - there's never enough outputs hehe smile

Is it possible to chain 2 SC already?
Sinamsis
Baddcr wrote:
+1 for a 32 output version - there's never enough outputs hehe smile

Is it possible to chain 2 SC already?



No, you can't chain them. But it's a pretty easy fix. I have both mine connect to my Digitakt. One is connected through USB, the second is connected to a Shuttle Mate which receives 5 pin MIDI from the DT. Otherwise, you could just use a USB to MIDI cable for the second SC.
guestt
Nice Sinamsis This is fun!

I'd like to see a picture of that, bet it looks ace and it loads of fun to play with!
Sinamsis
Here are the first few videos. I haven't had a ton of time to get heavily into them yet. Basically after almost 2 or 3 years of doing things almost exclusively in the eurorack domain I felt like I need to take some time away. Also I had built this massive case (7 rows of 168 hp), and I found it just too cumbersome. So I took 6 months away focusing more on guitar based stuff. In the meantime I chopped down my case and rearranged things and have slowly been coming back with a new perspective, etc. I've also been tied up building some cases (needed to put together a controller skiff for my current 13U x 168 hp case, and built a dedicated case for my Harvestman stuff). So anyways, I've had some short time to sit down and make some stuff, but I find to really get into it, I need a few hours uninterrupted. There's just so much that can be done with this much IO!

My basic set up is this:
SC 1 has 2 voices, each made up pitch CV, gate and 2 CC channels. There are 4 channels of different noise (I thought it would be good for percussive stuff, but have yet to really use it haha). And the last 4 channels are clock signals.

SC 2 has 2 voices, each consisting up pitch CV, gate and 6 CC channels. Most recently I've found those to be great for percussion uses like my BIA or LI.


I'll make more presets as I need them. As it stands, both SC have the same presets. I probably will make a third preset in the near future that has 4 voices made up of pitch CV, gate and 2 CC channels. But for now this seems to work for me.









Sinamsis
And this is the most recent photo of the studio. The Harvestman case is about to grow rapidly haha. I have an Argos Bleak, Stilton Hammer mk II and English Tear on the way.


guestt
Yep - that's a pretty comprehensive setup hihi thumbs up

All Harvestman cases are made of WIN! I have a two row 104hp case dedicated to the cause - it's my favourite instrument This is fun!
Funky40
[quote="Sinamsis"]
SC 2 has 2 voices, each consisting up pitch CV, gate and 6 CC channels. Most recently I've found those to be great for percussion uses like my BIA or LI.

I probably will make a third preset in the near future that has 4 voices made up of pitch CV, gate and 2 CC channels. But for now this seems to work for me.
quote]
Those are the same two setups that i have also.
the 2 Voice with 6 aux CCs what is mainly in use here.
4 voice voice 2CC setup also thought to use the FH-1 with ( with one expander, but so far i´ve not bothered to set the FH-1 up )

much likely going now also for a second SC.
btw. using the Din midi as a second output is not really a valuable option for me. i need the din midi allready for other destinations. it makes things becoming a hassle when i have to mix ans splitter midi signals, turning hardware more complicated than going ITB, etc. (well, i might end up with a emagic AMT8 setup to its own old macbook for controlling the presets.)
Thats one of the reasons i REALLY hope that endorphin.es will come up with one or two bigger versionsof the SC. 32 channel, and also 64 channel
The time is now right to get a good BIIIG (usb) midi2CV
Sinamsis
[quote="Funky40"]
Sinamsis wrote:

SC 2 has 2 voices, each consisting up pitch CV, gate and 6 CC channels. Most recently I've found those to be great for percussion uses like my BIA or LI.

I probably will make a third preset in the near future that has 4 voices made up of pitch CV, gate and 2 CC channels. But for now this seems to work for me.
quote]
Those are the same two setups that i have also.
the 2 Voice with 6 aux CCs what is mainly in use here.
4 voice voice 2CC setup also thought to use the FH-1 with ( with one expander, but so far i´ve not bothered to set the FH-1 up )

much likely going now also for a second SC.
btw. using the Din midi as a second output is not really a valuable option for me. i need the din midi allready for other destinations. it makes things becoming a hassle when i have to mix ans splitter midi signals, turning hardware more complicated than going ITB, etc. (well, i might end up with a emagic AMT8 setup to its own old macbook for controlling the presets.)
Thats one of the reasons i REALLY hope that endorphin.es will come up with one or two bigger versionsof the SC. 32 channel, and also 64 channel
The time is now right to get a good BIIIG (usb) midi2CV



Shuttle Mate can take the USB input and you could use the USB out and 5 pin out in your case. You'd still need a USB to MIDI cable. And really a MIDI thru box is like $30 and pretty easy. I just don't see why that's a big deal. But I agree, an expander would be nice.
Sinamsis
Baddcr wrote:
Yep - that's a pretty comprehensive setup hihi thumbs up

All Harvestman cases are made of WIN! I have a two row 104hp case dedicated to the cause - it's my favourite instrument This is fun!


Ha yeah, I'm pretty happy with it. And I can actually lift these cases, which is an added bonus haha.
Doublecoolbossman
Sinamsis wrote:
Baddcr wrote:
+1 for a 32 output version - there's never enough outputs hehe smile

Is it possible to chain 2 SC already?



No, you can't chain them. But it's a pretty easy fix. I have both mine connect to my Digitakt. One is connected through USB, the second is connected to a Shuttle Mate which receives 5 pin MIDI from the DT. Otherwise, you could just use a USB to MIDI cable for the second SC.


Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but I have one SC sending midi to another SC via USB (midi thru).
The to host/to device designations always confuse me, but I have linnstrument going to SC 1, and midi from SC 1 to SC 2 via another usb cable. So they are "chainable" in this way.. But I think they still need to be setup separately (as far as I remember I cannot see both simultaneously in the edit.
Sinamsis
Doublecoolbossman wrote:
Sinamsis wrote:
Baddcr wrote:
+1 for a 32 output version - there's never enough outputs hehe smile

Is it possible to chain 2 SC already?



No, you can't chain them. But it's a pretty easy fix. I have both mine connect to my Digitakt. One is connected through USB, the second is connected to a Shuttle Mate which receives 5 pin MIDI from the DT. Otherwise, you could just use a USB to MIDI cable for the second SC.


Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but I have one SC sending midi to another SC via USB (midi thru).
The to host/to device designations always confuse me, but I have linnstrument going to SC 1, and midi from SC 1 to SC 2 via another usb cable. So they are "chainable" in this way.. But I think they still need to be setup separately (as far as I remember I cannot see both simultaneously in the edit.


Ha really? I contacted Endorphin.es about this and they definitely told me to either use a MIDI to USB cable or a Shuttle Mate. Which out do you use on the Shuttle Control that’s connected to the Linnstrument?
Doublecoolbossman
I use the usb b out of the one connected to linnstrument to the usb a of the other. I think they mention or show this in their mpe demo video.
You may also have to futz with the to host/ to device settings in the editor.
behndy
sooooooo.... not sure what i'm doing wrong.

i use a Digitakt into the Shuttle Control, sending Channel 1 with MIDI Track 1, Channel 2 with MIDI Track 2 etc. what i had set with the web app was working, but then it.... sometimes does? then sometimes doesn't?

if, for example, i want SC Out 01 to send a gate for either a Bitbox or a Transient, i had it at a Uni Gate over Any Voice, now it will trigger than not trigger hits.

any idea what i'm doing incorrectly?
Sinamsis
Doublecoolbossman wrote:
I use the usb b out of the one connected to linnstrument to the usb a of the other. I think they mention or show this in their mpe demo video.
You may also have to futz with the to host/ to device settings in the editor.


Damn, I'll have to look at that. I asked the specifically how I could connect two SCs directly to a Digitakt. This is what they said:

To connect two SCs to your Digitakt, you would need to
connect the first SC to your DT directly via USB
and the 2nd SC via a Midi-2-USB-Midi converter cable


Ha, perhaps I didn't communicate the question well. I'll look into chaining the two SCs together directly.
Sinamsis
behndy wrote:
sooooooo.... not sure what i'm doing wrong.

i use a Digitakt into the Shuttle Control, sending Channel 1 with MIDI Track 1, Channel 2 with MIDI Track 2 etc. what i had set with the web app was working, but then it.... sometimes does? then sometimes doesn't?

if, for example, i want SC Out 01 to send a gate for either a Bitbox or a Transient, i had it at a Uni Gate over Any Voice, now it will trigger than not trigger hits.

any idea what i'm doing incorrectly?


Ok, so I guess I'm not the only one. Contact Endorphin.es. I was having issues with my SC intermittently dropping gates from the DT. Not sure who's to blame here. Setting up the DT with some VSTs in Ableton though I haven't noticed that. So I have to think it's the SC. And it seems to be mainly one of my SCs, not the other. I'm still waiting to hear back from Endorphin.es.
Doublecoolbossman
Is it dropping gates only?

If it's all changes in cv value see below (if not then hopefully this helps someone else):

I don't know if it's the same problem you're having, but with one of mine I had some problems with the usb connections. It had to be plugged in just right, and it took me a while to figure out that it was the problem, because it worked intermittently. I eventually noticed that sometimes when I bumped the cable the h or d would appear on the screen. placing a thin zip tie around the metal connector of the usb cable fixed this for me, as when the cable was completely pushed in, the connection went out. The zip tie helped keep it at the correct spot. Andreas sent me a new usb board which fixed that problem.

Good luck!
Sinamsis
Doublecoolbossman wrote:
Is it dropping gates only?

If it's all changes in cv value see below (if not then hopefully this helps someone else):

I don't know if it's the same problem you're having, but with one of mine I had some problems with the usb connections. It had to be plugged in just right, and it took me a while to figure out that it was the problem, because it worked intermittently. I eventually noticed that sometimes when I bumped the cable the h or d would appear on the screen. placing a thin zip tie around the metal connector of the usb cable fixed this for me, as when the cable was completely pushed in, the connection went out. The zip tie helped keep it at the correct spot. Andreas sent me a new usb board which fixed that problem.

Good luck!



Do you remember what color the original USB port was? I notice one of my ports is black and one is white. I think the problematic one is black. Perhaps it was a bad batch?
Doublecoolbossman
I can have a look tomorrow. Do you mean the little plastic piece inside of the usb port?
Also, I forgot to mention that the problem I was having was specific to certain usb controllers (and/or possibly the usb cables)... Which is weird.

Despite these previous issues, I want to say (again?) that I wholeheartedly love the SC and have found it much easier to work with than other similar modules.
Sinamsis
Doublecoolbossman wrote:
I can have a look tomorrow. Do you mean the little plastic piece inside of the usb port?
Also, I forgot to mention that the problem I was having was specific to certain usb controllers (and/or possibly the usb cables)... Which is weird.

Despite these previous issues, I want to say (again?) that I wholeheartedly love the SC and have found it much easier to work with than other similar modules.


Yeah, when you look inside the USB port the plastic lining or whatever.
behndy
Sinamsis wrote:
behndy wrote:
sooooooo.... not sure what i'm doing wrong.

i use a Digitakt into the Shuttle Control, sending Channel 1 with MIDI Track 1, Channel 2 with MIDI Track 2 etc. what i had set with the web app was working, but then it.... sometimes does? then sometimes doesn't?

if, for example, i want SC Out 01 to send a gate for either a Bitbox or a Transient, i had it at a Uni Gate over Any Voice, now it will trigger than not trigger hits.

any idea what i'm doing incorrectly?


Ok, so I guess I'm not the only one. Contact Endorphin.es. I was having issues with my SC intermittently dropping gates from the DT. Not sure who's to blame here. Setting up the DT with some VSTs in Ableton though I haven't noticed that. So I have to think it's the SC. And it seems to be mainly one of my SCs, not the other. I'm still waiting to hear back from Endorphin.es.


yeah, i tried MIDI to my computer, worked fine. will hit up Endorphs. thanks!
Funky40
ok, i run into problems, just wanted to install my new plaits,
but checked first the CV voltage requirements for plaits.
......oh well. cry ......while my Modcan FMVDO also was not working with the SC.


these modules need 8V or 10V
so i started a circuit reqeust in the dIY section.
you might be interested: ( and maybe want to support the request wink )

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2774808#2774808


i totally need to have a CV converter module.
otherwise: game over.
no longer interested with all that hassle that came into eurorack with all the mismatch going on.

there was here recently that "how do i Grooveboxy-fie my modular".
well, the shuttle is the answer.
but then: NO, its NOT ! damned.
spitting only +5V out / or +/-5V. same as octocontroller in S&H mode.
thats why all these superexpensive modules never worked for me, now i see.

but the solution would be so simple. 8 chanell converter CV modules.
i will sacrifice 3 evenings or so and build me some.
hoping now for help from seasoned DIY people.
hell, my nerves...........
Doublecoolbossman
Funky,
You may want to look at polarizer modules.. There may be another name, I know that's what doepfer's is called. They can shift the cv range up or down (well, I'm pretty sure that's what happens), so theoretically you could put in +/-5v and shift that up to 0-10v (or whatever the peak output is for that module)..

I realize there is a lot of uncertainty in the above statement.. But maybe it'll point you in the right direction. [/i]
behndy
also, how hawt is this? my boy did a black panel for my SC so it didna throw off the all black row it sits in -

Funky40
Doublecoolbossman wrote:
Funky,
You may want to look at polarizer modules..

absolutely !
i think at some point in time was i the one with the most CV-polarizers in the rack of all wink
just, do that for lets say: 8 or 10 CVs ? Dead Banana
and set them up properly each time........


in my DIY request thread has a simple circuitry been posted.

the link to this thread is in my above post.
it will still take a huge amount of panel space if i do it for 16 CV outs ( well, minus two for 1V/oct), and do it double switchable to have 5V, 8V and 10V all accessible.
one IN-jack, one switch, two out-jacks, 2x 8. this won´t be narrrow.
this has to be it for me.

i have my SC in a minirack btw. to do it with polarizers would fill half the track alone, haha. wink
Funky40
ahh, and the new plaits is controllable by the SC,
as the CV inputs can boost the 5V to the oin some CV inputs required 8V .
i was totally hyperventilating....... oops


https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=197383&postdays=0&po storder=asc&start=250
pichenettes wrote:
Funky40 wrote:
from the manual:
FM, MORPH, TIMBRE input range: +/- 8V.
HARMO and MODEL input range: +/- 5V.

i understand this like:
the "upper row" ( refering to above) of CVs need to see 8V to get the full swing, is this assumption right ?


No.

The attenuverters can also amplify by a factor of 1.6 when set to the extreme CW or CCW position. So if your CV goes up to 5V, and if the attenuverter is set fully CW, you'll get the full swing. If your CV goes up to 8V, you'll need to set the attenuverter at a less extreme setting to avoid clipping.
Wick
behndy wrote:
also, how hawt is this? my boy did a black panel for my SC so it didna throw off the all black row it sits in -

that looks nice
Funky40
can the Shuttle control do 4 voice allocation like in this video donne with yarns and 4x plaits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftJV8qbBKss
behndy
it can do SIXTEEN VOICE allocation if you so desired. or eight if you want to have the gates as well.
eddock
scottmoon wrote:
I just finished building this new case being powered by the Shuttle Control. I had to carefully choose the modules as I didn't want to draw more current than it can supply.



Here's a little video of my first run with it.


Can you tell me what is precisely the power consumption of that system? From the manual I can't understand how much current it can feed to my system. If I use it as a PSU for a 6u system and then use "USB host" ports to power a USB keyboard and a USB led light do them affect the current that goes to the system?
ookrsia
So you can use a MPE controller such as the Seaboard with Shuttle Control, so does that mean that you could also use an iPad app as a source for the MPE data?

I know there’s loads of iPad apps that output OSC, but I couldn’t find any that would output MPE MIDI. Loads of apps can be controlled by MPE, though.

Or is the only way to somehow translate OSC data from the iPad onto MPE MIDI?

Anyone understand this stuff?

Thanks
Phil999
ookrsia wrote:

I know there’s loads of iPad apps that output OSC, but I couldn’t find any that would output MPE MIDI.

GeoShred can output MPE, but I never tried to use it with the Shuttle, or with another softsynth/app.
Wick
eddock wrote:
scottmoon wrote:
I just finished building this new case being powered by the Shuttle Control. I had to carefully choose the modules as I didn't want to draw more current than it can supply.



Here's a little video of my first run with it.


Can you tell me what is precisely the power consumption of that system? From the manual I can't understand how much current it can feed to my system. If I use it as a PSU for a 6u system and then use "USB host" ports to power a USB keyboard and a USB led light do them affect the current that goes to the system?
what power supply you are using on the shuttle control?
ookrsia
Phil999 wrote:
ookrsia wrote:

I know there’s loads of iPad apps that output OSC, but I couldn’t find any that would output MPE MIDI.

GeoShred can output MPE, but I never tried to use it with the Shuttle, or with another softsynth/app.


But do you think it is possible?
drowld
i think i will get one to at least try it.
The expert sleepers stuff isnt too great to use really. I wish there was a black panel available for the SC because yellow is horrendous
If i get 2 i can have like 8 cv/gate out of the digitakt + 2 output per channel for plocking.

Anyone with this setup is doing so ?
Sinamsis
An update to the previous posts about daisy chaining SCs. You definitely can with just a USB cable. I have no idea why Endorphon.es told me to use both outs of my DT. That means no need for expanders really. You can daisy chain as many as you want.
eddock
Wick
I'm planning my first modular and thinking on buying it to kill two birds with one stone and not to buy a psu but just two flying bus cables. I think I can feed a 6u 84hp system. But does the USB host "steal" current to the modules?
eastablishrec
Hi guys.
I've been using SC for a while now, it worked great with Octatrack and now I'm trying it with Ableton. There was a timing problem until I updated OS to 3.82R2,, and now it works pretty well. But I still have few problems, maybe some of you can help solve it.

1) Clock.
I'm sending clock from one of the SC's output to Wogglebug's external clock in.
But WB doesn't recognize it (it makes WB's clock stop). Then I connected same clock to 4ms's SCM, SCM receive it properly. So I must use SCM in order to send clock to WB. I wonder why SC can't send it directry to WB,, Endorphines suggest to check "Auto-legato (fw.3.6) or 10ms to all triggers (fw.3.7+). FW.3.7 auto-legato always on' on V3 editor but it doesn't work.
Btw SC could send clock to WB when I was using older version,, SC V2.

2) Timing.
Timing has improved with latest OS but sometimes, when I send complex MIDI CC data from Ableton, timing of trigger (and probably CC too) start drifting.
I can only fix it by switch off the modular rack and wait for a bit and switch on again. Does it happen because MIDI data stucks? It's pretty annoying.

If anyone having same problem and found solution, I'd like to know how.

But overall, I love this module a lot.
RecycleYourPets
Sinamsis wrote:
An update to the previous posts about daisy chaining SCs. You definitely can with just a USB cable. I have no idea why Endorphon.es told me to use both outs of my DT. That means no need for expanders really. You can daisy chain as many as you want.


So by connecting one into the other via USB its basically acting like midi-thru from one to the other? because that really tempts me into wanting a 2nd one.
Sinamsis
RecycleYourPets wrote:
Sinamsis wrote:
An update to the previous posts about daisy chaining SCs. You definitely can with just a USB cable. I have no idea why Endorphon.es told me to use both outs of my DT. That means no need for expanders really. You can daisy chain as many as you want.


So by connecting one into the other via USB its basically acting like midi-thru from one to the other? because that really tempts me into wanting a 2nd one.


So it seems. Mines currently on the way back from Endorphin.es for an unrelated issue. But I’ll two to further test later this week I hope.
eastablishrec
PS: Problem below has solved. It was because of Ableton's latency setting not because of SC. In case if you have same problem,, de-activate Delay Conpensation and also set "Default SR & Pitch Conversion" to "Normal" , it should improve MIDI latency. Thank Andreas for the advice.

Yet MIDI timing of Ableton is not very stable. If you wanna control your modular synth from DAW via SC, I recommend you to try BITWIG. MIDI timing is super solid and it is easy to use if you are Ableton user.

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////  ////

Hello, I've posted timing issue few days ago and I still can't sorted it out so I made short clip to explain what is happening. Hope someone can help or give me an advice.



There are 2 MIDI tracks on this video. One is to send trigger and pitch to Basimilus Iteritas Alter. Using MIDI ch1 and trigger was sent from SC output1 and 1v/oct from SC output2. Connected directory to Trig and Pitch in of BIA. MIDI track2 is sending several MIDI CC, using MIDI ch5 and MIDI CC1 - 5 were sent from SC's output 9 - 12 connected directory to BIA's CV in (to modulate Attack, Release Fold and Morph).

I am using different MIDI ch (1 & 5) just to avoid MIDI conflict. I thought it's better not to send too much MIDI data to one MIDI ch.

I did not inserted any MIDI effect on each MIDI track and also there are no module such as CV delay were used.

What is strange is timing is ok at the beginning. But after playing around with pattern for few minutes, timing start drift. I can fix it by switch off the modules and switch on again. But again start drifting after few minutes.

I am a very new Ableton user,, so I might having very easy mistake on Ableton,, but I'm pretty sure setting is ok.

Can anyone help me to solve this?
Sinamsis
I'm wondering how most people here use their SC. I have been trying to create complex sequences involving multiple CC messages. I'm finding after a certain point I hit a wall, and the flood of CC messages cause notes to be dropped. Anyone else notice this? I've tried multiple different solutions. Perhaps this is a limit of MIDI over USB? Anyone else encounter these issues?
Sinamsis
Ok, so MIDI to USB converter cable seems to do the job. MIDI over the included Elektron USB cable just couldn't handle the bandwidth at some point I think.


IG video
Keltie
Sinamsis wrote:
Ok, so MIDI to USB converter cable seems to do the job. MIDI over the included Elektron USB cable just couldn't handle the bandwidth at some point I think.


IG video


Hi

Im considering SC as a way of getting MIDI into my rig from an MPC 2500, using a standard MIDI out. Seems to me that a MIDI - USB cable should work, any reason why not?
Sinamsis
That’s what I’m using. So yes. It should work.

My point was that MIDI over USB (the 2500 cannot do this) may not be able to handle all the MIDI messages that are thrown at it. At least not on this device.
Keltie
Sinamsis wrote:
That’s what I’m using. So yes. It should work.

My point was that MIDI over USB (the 2500 cannot do this) may not be able to handle all the MIDI messages that are thrown at it. At least not on this device.


Cool, many thanks.
adh82
Keltie wrote:
Sinamsis wrote:
That’s what I’m using. So yes. It should work.

My point was that MIDI over USB (the 2500 cannot do this) may not be able to handle all the MIDI messages that are thrown at it. At least not on this device.


Cool, many thanks.


My mate uses an edirol midi - USB cable with his octatrack and shuttle control with no probs!
eastablishrec
Sinamsis wrote:
I'm wondering how most people here use their SC. I have been trying to create complex sequences involving multiple CC messages. I'm finding after a certain point I hit a wall, and the flood of CC messages cause notes to be dropped. Anyone else notice this? I've tried multiple different solutions. Perhaps this is a limit of MIDI over USB? Anyone else encounter these issues?


Hi, I had a kind of similer situation.
What DAW or sequencer are you using to send out MIDI/CC to SC?
About note drop,, I once doudted MIDI cable but when I switch "Gate Uni/Bi" to "Trigger Uni/Bi" to trigger note, problem was fixed.
About MIDI CC, when I was using Octatrack, I coud send lots of CC automation without any problem (no latency or note drop). But when I do the same thing with Ableton, MIDI became very unstable and cause heavy latency problem. Right now, I'm using BITWIG and MIDI is lot more stable.
Sinamsis
I’m using Digitakt but also tried Ableton. Switching to stepped CCs, triggers instead of gates and using a MIDI to USB cable/adapter solved it. It wasn’t a timing issues. It was more that gates would hang so following gates were missed, or they’d just be dropped all together.
drowld
It's good that endorphin is making a module in black.
Hopefully they'll make a black version of the shuttle control.
It really kills the harmony in a small rack with the eggyellow
chaosick
Anyone also used Polyend Poly? how do they compare?
eastablishrec
Hi, I have another question.
Does anyone use Wagglebug (Black Panel)?
I'm sending clock from SC using PPQN/48 to WB's external clock in but seems like WB doesn't recognize it.
I send same clock to 4MS's SCM then to WB. This way WB recognize it.

Is there any way I can send directory to WB (without using SCM as a buffer)?

Thanks!
ookrsia
Anyone else use a Seaboard with the Shuttle Control?

Just got a Seaboard to test and I'm having a bit of trouble with cycling voices.


The "Keep voices" option according to the legend does the following:
"Old polyphonic (2-8 voices) notes allocation (as in Cargo v1 firmare). When checked ON - then each note pressed corresponds to a certain CV output. When unchecked - the notes are allocated in cycling order thru assigned pitch CV voice outputs"


However, even when I have this checked (and yes, I have uploaded the current preset to the SC) the SC still cycles the voices sometime in a semi-random fashion. When I am just tapping a single finger calmly on the controller sometimes the first ten touches come out of MPE VOICE 1 CV and the next five from MPE VOICE 2 CV, and it keeps randomly changing. There is no way to know where the first/second/etc touch will come out of.

At least when I have "Keep voices" unchecked it cycles predictably.


So it certainly seems like a bug. Anyone else having this problem?

It is possible that a firmware update would solve this issue, but I am unable to do it. Is there a way to know what firmware version is on your Shuttle Control?

I am unable to update to the newest (who knows if my SC already has the newest version) because as far as I know the SC firmware update procedure is no longer compatible with the latest OSX High Sierra 10.3.4. I have sent an email about this to Endorphin.es but I guess I can share this problem here as well:

My problem:


I'm unable to update my Endorphin.es Shuttle Control firmware to the latest v. 3.8 R2 – 05.01.18 firmware version.

When double-clicking the file "update_shuttle_v3.cmd.command" I get the following error:

"The file could not be executed because you do not have appropriate access privileges."

I am running on an admin account.



On the firmware update guide they refer to this website:
https://rampagedev.wordpress.com/os-x-tweaks/app-cant-be-opened-becaus e-it-was-not-downloaded-from-the-mac-app-store-fix-2/

This guide NO LONGER APPLIES to at least the latest version of High Sierra (10.13.4). You can no longer choose "Anywhere".



If I give executive rights to the file "update_shuttle_v3.cmd.command" by running Terminal command "chmod u+x" for the file, I instead get this error:


Macbook:~ USER$ /Users/USER/Downloads/Shuttle_v3_OSX_update\ \(3\)/Shuttle_v3.8R2_final_release/MAC_OS_X/update_shuttle_v3.cmd.comm and ; exit;
:/Users/USER/Downloads/Shuttle_v3_OSX_update (3)/Shuttle_v3.8R2_final_release/MAC_OS_X/lib
 /Users/USER/Downloads/Shuttle_v3_OSX_update (3)/Shuttle_v3.8R2_final_release/MAC_OS_X/update_shuttle_v3.cmd.comman d: line 18: /Users/USER/Downloads/Shuttle_v3_OSX_update (3)/Shuttle_v3.8R2_final_release/MAC_OS_X/bin/dfu-util: Permission denied
logout
Saving session...
...copying shared history...
...saving history...truncating history files...
...completed.

[Process completed]


So I guess the main point in that is the following line: "/Users/USER/Downloads/Shuttle_v3_OSX_update (3)/Shuttle_v3.8R2_final_release/MAC_OS_X/bin/dfu-util: Permission denied"


I tried giving also executive rights to that file but alas it doesnt change anything.
with_joerg
Did you get the SC to work with the ROLI Seaboard? I am in a similar position. I have a SB Rise 49 and thinking of either getting a SC or a MantaMate. Athough I love the layout and functions of the SC, from all I can see it seems to me as is the MantaMate MPE implementation is more straight forward and more stable. Look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAdsFZUG5jo
ookrsia
with_joerg wrote:
Did you get the SC to work with the ROLI Seaboard? I am in a similar position. I have a SB Rise 49 and thinking of either getting a SC or a MantaMate. Athough I love the layout and functions of the SC, from all I can see it seems to me as is the MantaMate MPE implementation is more straight forward and more stable. Look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAdsFZUG5jo


I've been having a bit of bad luck. The Seaboard Block I used with my SC had the Mode Button stuck. I changed it to another one and that too had a stuck Mode Button – luckily I was in a store so it did not take long to find out. Now I have a semi-working Seaboard Block temporarily and I'm waiting for the store to get more Seaboard Blocks so I can get a functional one. (To make this more outrageous: The very first Seaboard Block I got did not work at all. Completely DOA. Roli QA not the best in the world it seems.)

So to answer your question: I am not certain if the cycling of voices problem is the fault of the faulty Seaboard Block or the SC. Especially since my SC is probably still not running the latest firmware.

I contacted Endorphin.es about the newest MacOs/OSX versions blocking their firmware-update tool and they said they're working on a new app to do it, but it's still in beta. I received a copy, but couldnt get it to work. I emailed them the error message and they replied that it's a small bug that can be fixed quickly. After that I havcen't received anything from them. But since I'm still waiting for the Seaboard Block I'm not in a hurry.

EDIT: I did contact Roli about these non-functional Seaboard Blocks and they gave me their software synth updates for free, which was nice.
leonvanbokhorst
Different experience here. I got the SC working with the Seaboard Blocks in no time. Made a two-voice MPE preset to get a duophonic voice. It functions like I had hoped. hyper

Must say I just got it so still learning how to operate the SC. It came preinstalled with 3.8R2.
ookrsia
ookrsia wrote:

I contacted Endorphin.es about the newest MacOs/OSX versions blocking their firmware-update tool and they said they're working on a new app to do it, but it's still in beta. I received a copy, but couldnt get it to work. I emailed them the error message and they replied that it's a small bug that can be fixed quickly. After that I havcen't received anything from them.


I thought I should post this just not to give Endorphin.es support a bad name:

About a week ago I did receive a new version of the software from Endorphin.es to test. Unfortunately I've been too busy to try it out.
stickman
Hey has anyone successfully got pitch bend to work with this?

Have tried with a digitakt, Novation remote SL and keystep.. no joy! Any pointers?

Ta
Phil999
I updated to v.3.8 R2 and now the module pitch CV outputs span two octaves over one octave on the MIDI keyboard. It's twice the CV value than normal, and judging from ear exactly the double value. I must do something wrong, but what?
Umcorps
stickman wrote:
Hey has anyone successfully got pitch bend to work with this?

Have tried with a digitakt, Novation remote SL and keystep.. no joy! Any pointers?

Ta


Need more detail on what your problem is and what you have done to try to solve it.

I have no problem with pitch bend here, which is lucky cos I mostly use either a Seaboard or a ribbon controller both of which need pitch bend values added to/subtracted from the midi note value in order to work properly.

All I do is set the Shuttle output I want to use to the correct midi channel for your device and ask it to put out 1v/oct plus pitch bend. I need to use the full 2 octave pb range but from memory there are 1 octave and 2 semitone options also.

For the Novation, for flexibility, I'd probably use the 1 octave pb range on the Shuttle and then define the actual range on the keyboard itself.

But here combining pitch bend and 1v/oct on the Shuttle "just works" ™ and always has done. So not sure what the problem is at your end.....
Fleuw
Whats is your favorite midi sequencer to pair with the shuttle?
Im in the market for a sequencer to pair with the shuttle...i feel i dont get the most out of my shuttle system at moment.
So far what on my radar is Octatrack MK2 ...any other options that i should look at? (Im not getting a Digitakt , been there done that)

All tips and ideas are very welcome help
leonvanbokhorst
The Octatrack works great with the Shuttle, but it can be a bit fiddly. I like to work with iPad sequencer apps as well.

Fleuw wrote:
Whats is your favorite midi sequencer to pair with the shuttle?
Im in the market for a sequencer to pair with the shuttle...i feel i dont get the most out of my shuttle system at moment.
So far what on my radar is Octatrack MK2 ...any other options that i should look at? (Im not getting a Digitakt , been there done that)

All tips and ideas are very welcome help
Sinamsis
Fleuw
If you want actual feedback, you might want to provide a little more insight, like what you didn't like about the Digitakt. As an external sequencer, I suspect the DT and OT will be pretty close (with the same number of MIDI tracks and the DT is half the price), so I guess I just don't understand this rational.
3pand
Fleuw wrote:
All tips and ideas are very welcome help


Here’s a general tip: you can do amazing things with the tap lfo feature. You can get octature or 16-ature LFOs all in sync but phase shifted if you plug in an arpeggiator and then have each note of a pattern tapping one of the lfos (you can even add swing!). You can also get interesting results by putting the arpeggiator in random or some other mode, or even using a sequencer to play the LFOs in changing tap patterns.

They have also added tempo sync’d lfos but I find using the tap lfo with a sync’d tap source to be much more flexible since the sync lfo doesn’t have the possibility of clock div/mult.

I use an Arturia Keystep for the above.

The other cool thing about tap vs sync is that the tap lfos will keep going even without the tap being constant so you can stop the arpeggiator or sequence and do something else with the controller as well.

Haha what is the word for 16-ature? w00t
Sinamsis
decahexature?
AXXONN
sorted
Jenseits
Got one and don’t know that behavior.
So i’m not of much help.
Did firmware upgrade and everything but wouldn’t even know how (and why) i would need a “soft reset”. I’m connecting different stuff all the time. And if something is weird i’m just switching preset up and down again.

How do you do a soft reset? (i RTFM smile and reread it 2, 3 times but can’t remember that one...)
3pand
Sinamsis wrote:
decahexature?


Haha yeah I think you’re right. Or maybe Hexadecature? (sounds more in keeping with dodecaphonic, etc.)
Sinamsis
3pand
Yeah, I looked it up. You're right haha.
Sinamsis
Has anyone on OS X encountered an error when trying to run the command file to update the firmware? I seemed to have semi bricked my unit when uploading a preset (it freezes when I go to that preset) and I was going to reflash the firmware but I keep getting this error:


Quote:
The file “update_shuttle_v3.cmd.command” could not be executed because you do not have appropriate access privileges.
3pand
I updated the firmware many months ago on OS X with no problems. Maybe send an email to the endorphin.es people? I’ve heard they are super helpful and responsive. Hope it gets resolved soon!
Sinamsis
I had updated it many times as well. I found another source to download the update from and this one worked. So problem solved. Haven't pushed it yet to see if the problem of dropping notes when slamming it with CC messages has resolved, but supposedly the beta fixes this.
behndy
i posted a bit about how i was having a problem with some CV/gates not being sent from a pattern from Deluge. been hecksa busy so just emailed the awesome EndorphinHumans last night, they responded this morning and suggested trying the newest firmware, worked a charm.

all problems fixed, can attempt using the Deluge as my Main Bebe Brain Box now.

i have to be careful when using gates instead of triggers that the gates have enough space between each other, but that's part of how Deluge does ties and note length, not on the Shuttle at all.

love the simplicity yet depth of this module, support is awesome, they make neat music in their band..... so. much. DELICIOUSNESS.

i have the HAPPIEST of butts.
chapelier fou
Hi there, new user of Shuttle Control (+ Ableton Live). I've got a question, maybe a stupid one, because I'm quite tired.

Here's the setup :
Intellijel Quadra envelope (in ASR mode) to open my VCA.
I play notes from Live via MIDI.

What I'd like is that each new note retriggers the envelope. Is it even possible ?
Or should I go for an envelope with a dedicated retrigger input (like Intellijel ADSR) and add an additional trigger for each note on the Shuttle setup ? (like factory preset C).
behndy
everything here is being sequenced by Deluge through a Shuttle Control -

chapelier fou
chapelier fou wrote:
Hi there, new user of Shuttle Control (+ Ableton Live). I've got a question, maybe a stupid one, because I'm quite tired.

Here's the setup :
Intellijel Quadra envelope (in ASR mode) to open my VCA.
I play notes from Live via MIDI.

What I'd like is that each new note retriggers the envelope. Is it even possible ?
Or should I go for an envelope with a dedicated retrigger input (like Intellijel ADSR) and add an additional trigger for each note on the Shuttle setup ? (like factory preset C).

Don't mind answering.
My Shuttle Control is dead. So is the iMac on which it was connected and where my next album lies. I've got other priorities from now.
Daisuk
Anyone tried using their Shuttle Control with Plonk? Trying to send some quick triggers (uni trigger) from Ableton Live through Shuttle to Plonk, but Plonk will miss a few trigs here and there. Plonk will trigger every time from Pams at the same speed.

Is there some other trig option that will trigger faster or at a different treshold somehow?
Umcorps
Daisuk wrote:
Anyone tried using their Shuttle Control with Plonk? Trying to send some quick triggers (uni trigger) from Ableton Live through Shuttle to Plonk, but Plonk will miss a few trigs here and there. Plonk will trigger every time from Pams at the same speed.


I have exactly the same issue using midi clock divisions from SC into Plonk.

It only happens when SC is the trigger source. I've not yet managed to track down why it happens. My first theory was that maybe the SC triggers weren't strong enough but, on the general Plonk thread here it was confirmed that the voltage threshold for Plonk to recognise something as a trigger was < 1v.

So not that..

My second theory is that maybe the pulse width of SC triggers is too small for Plonk but I've not yet measured that properly.

Pam, of course, lets you adjust the width of the triggers so it could be worth testing theory 2 by checking how reliable Plonk is with that when the triggers are really tight?

Other than that, I'm struggling for an explanation.
fjoesz
you can ad some time to the triggers out of SC
it helped me syncing the varigate.
varigate skipped steps and is rocksolid now
maybe it can help hitting plonk too
Umcorps
Ah! I'd not noticed that option getting added in the update cycle.

Thanks. My guess is that will sort this problem out. (Also hadn't spotted the default trigger width is 1ms which is probably the source of the problem)

Daisuk
Umcorps wrote:
Ah! I'd not noticed that option getting added in the update cycle.

Thanks. My guess is that will sort this problem out. (Also hadn't spotted the default trigger width is 1ms which is probably the source of the problem)



Nice find! Thanks a lot. smile I'll try this tonight.
3pand
Also did not know about this! Amazing how much great stuff they keep adding to this module. Thanks all.
Daisuk
Umcorps wrote:
Ah! I'd not noticed that option getting added in the update cycle.

Thanks. My guess is that will sort this problem out. (Also hadn't spotted the default trigger width is 1ms which is probably the source of the problem)



Can confirm that this works a treat. Thanks! smile
Daisuk
Argh, after a long time trying to figure out what is wrong with this thing, I figured I probably just need to calibrate. screaming goo yo
stickman
I built an enclosure for my shuttle control to take advantage of it being self powered, here it is next to my xr12 in my WIP synth/euro/mixer case (held on with velcro)



Enclosure is £3.25: bitsbox
drowld
winter is coming so should the black version of the shuttle control
amiright
stickman
Hey folks - have an up and coming gig and still can't get the shuttle control to respond to pitch bend.. Am sending via digitakt.

Have tried reflashing firmware, and all possible settings I can think of... Everything else responds to pitch bend and have checked messages using midi-ox..

:(

Any ideas?
-S.L-
hey everyone.

just got the module. I bought it mainly for polyphonic purposed. and I do have a question as I couldn't get the answer to that in the manual.

I use Ableton Live (10). What I want to archive is simple, using all the CV output as the following:

CV out 1 = 1v/Oct - CV out 09 = Gate
CV out 2 = 1v/Oct - CV out 10 = Gate
CV out 3 = 1v/Oct - CV out 11 = Gate
CV out 4 = 1v/Oct - CV out 12 = Gate
CV out 5 = 1v/Oct - CV out 13 = Gate
CV out 6 = 1v/Oct - CV out 14 = Gate
CV out 7 = 1v/Oct - CV out 15 = Gate
CV out 8 = 1v/Oct - CV out 16 = Gate


You get the idea, but I want each voice to be independent, with it's own midi channel, as for example CV out 1 / CV out 09 being a bassline with midi channel 1, CV out 2 / CV out 10 being a lead with midi channel 2 and so on...

I couldn't get this to work, even thou i was assigning each channel in Ableton with it's own independent Midi Channel. All I got is just random notes, that some are playing, some aren't, skipping notes, or won't even play anything exepted Channel 1.

Any specific thing to apply on the https://www.endorphin.es/cargo3 set up thing ? What am I missing here ? (obviously I did import the preset .mid file into the module using Sysex)

Thanks ! Guinness ftw!
jox2000
-S.L- wrote:
hey everyone.

I couldn't get this to work, even thou i was assigning each channel in Ableton with it's own independent Midi Channel. All I got is just random notes, that some are playing, some aren't, skipping notes, or won't even play anything exepted Channel 1.


what are your midi settings in the SC editor per output? should be the same channel as in LIVE.
i don't use it with LIVE, but i use four voices with the digitone and have no problem, so it should work with live.
Umcorps
-S.L- wrote:

Any specific thing to apply on the https://www.endorphin.es/cargo3 set up thing ? What am I missing here ? (obviously I did import the preset .mid file into the module using Sysex)

Thanks ! Guinness ftw!


Have you set all the outputs to Voice 1?

Also, uncheck the Keep Voices box.
-S.L-
Hi ! Thanks for your answers, technically my set up in the SC editor is the way you say it is suppose to be. I'll be away the week-end for work but ill be be after and will doublce check and experiement more, will keep you posted, no reasons it should not work !
zynapse
I'm trying to figure out whats going on here. When using octatrack as sequencer via Shuttle Mate (Pitch 1V/octave and Gate Uni) only alternate notes are being played. Gate Note Uni works as I would have expected the above setup to but only when Note 2 on octatrack midi note page is set to + 8 steps.
zynapse
OK - I solved my previous problem. However...

Anyone using octatrack and shuttle control + shuttle mate care to share their set-up? I have updated to latest firmware for Shuttle Control as recommended by Andreas.

I have tried every gate / trigger uni / bi possible including the trigger / gate note.

I have also experimented with note length in octatrack. Kind of going around in circles at this point.

Notes are frequently dropped. I am using Synchronization to Pamela's New Workout - in addition to dropped gates / notes the synchronization kind of hiccups every now and kind also.

Thanks in advance.
drowld
The black version of the module will for sure be announced around black friday we're not worthy
Portabella
drowld wrote:
The black version of the module will for sure be announced around black friday we're not worthy


I don't see why this year every eurorack manufacture would go do black modules hmmm.....
vantablack
Portabella wrote:
drowld wrote:
The black version of the module will for sure be announced around black friday we're not worthy


I don't see why this year every eurorack manufacture would go do black modules hmmm.....


why not? if they offered both they wouldn't have to go back love
particleswillbewaves
I'm suddenly having trouble with reading and writing presets and I don't know where it went wrong. The editor always tells me this:
Quote:
Error! Timeout. Perhaps you are using old firmware version.


I went through the update process more than twenty times by now and have tried different firmware versions to no avail. Before I had no trouble so I don't know what changed. Also, the numbers on the display of the module are a little off... Otherwise it works perfectly fine, but I want to be able change the presets! I have written to Endorphines but they never got back to me sad banana
drowld
Contact them on facebook no ? they answer me here

Anyone with an OP-Z tried interfacing the shuttle control ?
monads
Looks like there was a recent firmware update for Cargo 3 (v3.8 R6) Shuttle Control recently released on11/20/18!!! Head on over to the Endorphin.es website and the SC Editor section for details w00t
Jenseits
particleswillbewaves wrote:
...Also, the numbers on the display of the module are a little off...


So are the holes of your blind panels... hihi

Sorry... Couldn't resist oops
stickman
My shuttle control has randomly died :( the lights are green permanently and it doesn't power anything..

What can I do? Any ideas?

Edit: store have agreed to return MY ASS IS BLEEDING
chapelier fou
Hey, did anyone manage to connect an Akai MPK mini mk2 to the Shuttle Control ?
It's supposed to be class compliant but won't work. It powers up but that's all.
Thanks for your help.
Phil999
Shuttle Control displays a 'd' for a short time when you connect a device. If the 'd' does not appear, try reinserting the plug, or try a different cable. Also make sure the device is powered if necessary.
chapelier fou
Thanks, it does display a 'd'. But nothing gets received.
Phil999
well that's strange. Do other USB devices work?
deuS2eed1rou
chapelier fou wrote:
Hey, did anyone manage to connect an Akai MPK mini mk2 to the Shuttle Control ?
It's supposed to be class compliant but won't work. It powers up but that's all.
Thanks for your help.


Same here - looks like it doesn't like some aspect of the Akai MPK mini mk2.
My other MIDI controllers work fine.
chapelier fou
Thanks for the confirmation !
(Other devices work well, but nothing beats the MPK in terms of density of control. too bad !)
tverscho
I recently bought the SC and absolutely love it, great combo with the Linnstrument. What would make it even better is if the envelopes would retrigger. Does anybody know if this already possible and maybe I'm missing a setting?

If not, anybody have experience with making feature requests?
chapelier fou
tverscho wrote:
I recently bought the SC and absolutely love it, great combo with the Linnstrument. What would make it even better is if the envelopes would retrigger. Does anybody know if this already possible and maybe I'm missing a setting?

If not, anybody have experience with making feature requests?


As a matter of fact I did this feature request and it's been added in the very latest firmware. Super nice experience, I even got my name credited in the changelog !
Daduk
Hi wigglers,

Hope you can help me out.

Via the online editor I programmed the first 8 CV channels to receive Pitch 1v/oct information and the last 8 CV channels to receive Gate. Now when I send a note to a gate channel, the corresponding channel of the SC blinks green and everything is fine. But when I try to send notes from my Digitakt to one of the first 8 (Pitch channels) the led immediately turns and stays red. How am I supposed to send pitch information from my DT to an Osc in my rack?

I realize I am overseeing something essential but can't find out what?

Thanks for reading.
shredsickgnar
Daduk wrote:
Hi wigglers,

Hope you can help me out.

Via the online editor I programmed the first 8 CV channels to receive Pitch 1v/oct information and the last 8 CV channels to receive Gate. Now when I send a note to a gate channel, the corresponding channel of the SC blinks green and everything is fine. But when I try to send notes from my Digitakt to one of the first 8 (Pitch channels) the led immediately turns and stays red. How am I supposed to send pitch information from my DT to an Osc in my rack?

I realize I am overseeing something essential but can't find out what?

Thanks for reading.


Have you actually connected a VCO to it the pitch CV channels? The LEDs will display the last CV(pitch) value sent. So if you’re only changing the pitch by a half step or a few full steps you might not see a big difference in the LED values. I think the CV range is 8 or 10 octaves. So small changes in pitch might not be noticeable via the LEDs.

Take the pitch channel you assigned and patch it to the 1v/oct input of your VCO. And listen to the output.
Daduk
shredsickgnar wrote:
Daduk wrote:
Hi wigglers,

Hope you can help me out.

Via the online editor I programmed the first 8 CV channels to receive Pitch 1v/oct information and the last 8 CV channels to receive Gate. Now when I send a note to a gate channel, the corresponding channel of the SC blinks green and everything is fine. But when I try to send notes from my Digitakt to one of the first 8 (Pitch channels) the led immediately turns and stays red. How am I supposed to send pitch information from my DT to an Osc in my rack?

I realize I am overseeing something essential but can't find out what?

Thanks for reading.




Have you actually connected a VCO to it the pitch CV channels? The LEDs will display the last CV(pitch) value sent. So if you’re only changing the pitch by a half step or a few full steps you might not see a big difference in the LED values. I think the CV range is 8 or 10 octaves. So small changes in pitch might not be noticeable via the LEDs.

Take the pitch channel you assigned and patch it to the 1v/oct input of your VCO. And listen to the output.


Feeling d'oh! Thanks shredsickgnar
Zerius
How do you guys are connecting your iPad + Daw to the Shuttle Control?
I can't figure out how to sync and connect all 3 together, will I need an audio interface?
Phil999
the simplest way is to connect the Shuttle Control to the DAW with a 2m USB cable. Shuttle Control is class compliant, every computer will recognise the module. The iPad can be connected to the DAW the same way. Using the charger cable and the Midimux app. Then you can route MIDI signals inside the DAW from iPad to Shuttle Control. To connect an iPad directly to Shuttle Control, you need an adapter (Apple Camera Connection Kit) for the USB port. The charger cable does not work because the iPad is not a device.
Zerius
I was using my iPad with the adapter for few months now and it works like a charm!
I tried the midimix app and successfully connected the iPad to Ableton but now I can't figure out how to send triggers from patterning app to the shuttle control while connecting to Ableton d'oh! I'm a newbie with midi and Daw in general.
Phil999
I think you just need to route, in Ableton, the MIDI signal from the input track (iPad Midimux) to the output track (Shuttle Control). When you extend the view in the mixer you should see input and output options for MIDI tracks.

Besides, there is a fantastic Lemur template for Shuttle Control. It makes it possible to program and edit the module in a direct way. When you change the preset on the Lemur, the module will follow along, and Lemur will instantly display each of the 16 outputs. Very nice to program, actually better than the online editor, and also no need for internet connection.

https://liine.net/en/community/user-library/view/730/
jk-dk
Hi,

I have an issue with the Up button on my SC Module. It doesn't respond to any presses, which means I can't use it to change presets or load the SC in DFU mode to update the firmware. The button also seems to get stuck if pressed longer, and I then have to wiggle it for a little while to get it unstuck.

The module seems to be working fine otherwise, I'm currently using it with the Blck Noir Drum module, also from Endorphines, and a Linnstrument.

I've emailed Endorphines and the store where I bought the SC, but wanted to hear if anyone here has experienced this issue? Is this something that can be fixed?
monads
I experienced a stuck button with the Blck Noir button 'Type' on the effects section. It was an an easy fix to the panel but it involved removing the entire panel to fix. If you experience non-responsive buttons it could also be a cold solder joint or failed button as a possibility.
Sinamsis
jk-dk wrote:
Hi,

I have an issue with the Up button on my SC Module. It doesn't respond to any presses, which means I can't use it to change presets or load the SC in DFU mode to update the firmware. The button also seems to get stuck if pressed longer, and I then have to wiggle it for a little while to get it unstuck.

The module seems to be working fine otherwise, I'm currently using it with the Blck Noir Drum module, also from Endorphines, and a Linnstrument.

I've emailed Endorphines and the store where I bought the SC, but wanted to hear if anyone here has experienced this issue? Is this something that can be fixed?


Did you change your faceplate? I experienced this with one of my SC's when changing the faceplate.
jk-dk
Sinamsis wrote:
jk-dk wrote:
Hi,

I have an issue with the Up button on my SC Module. It doesn't respond to any presses, which means I can't use it to change presets or load the SC in DFU mode to update the firmware. The button also seems to get stuck if pressed longer, and I then have to wiggle it for a little while to get it unstuck.

The module seems to be working fine otherwise, I'm currently using it with the Blck Noir Drum module, also from Endorphines, and a Linnstrument.

I've emailed Endorphines and the store where I bought the SC, but wanted to hear if anyone here has experienced this issue? Is this something that can be fixed?


Did you change your faceplate? I experienced this with one of my SC's when changing the faceplate.


I didn't, but it is the black version of the module. Maybe they've changed it from a yellow faceplate at the factory, and the same thing happened? Anyway, did you manage to get it sorted out?
Sinamsis
jk-dk wrote:
Sinamsis wrote:
jk-dk wrote:
Hi,

I have an issue with the Up button on my SC Module. It doesn't respond to any presses, which means I can't use it to change presets or load the SC in DFU mode to update the firmware. The button also seems to get stuck if pressed longer, and I then have to wiggle it for a little while to get it unstuck.

The module seems to be working fine otherwise, I'm currently using it with the Blck Noir Drum module, also from Endorphines, and a Linnstrument.

I've emailed Endorphines and the store where I bought the SC, but wanted to hear if anyone here has experienced this issue? Is this something that can be fixed?


Did you change your faceplate? I experienced this with one of my SC's when changing the faceplate.


I didn't, but it is the black version of the module. Maybe they've changed it from a yellow faceplate at the factory, and the same thing happened? Anyway, did you manage to get it sorted out?


Mine works when you jiggle it a little, I haven't pursued it yet.
jk-dk
Sinamsis wrote:
jk-dk wrote:
Sinamsis wrote:
jk-dk wrote:
Hi,

I have an issue with the Up button on my SC Module. It doesn't respond to any presses, which means I can't use it to change presets or load the SC in DFU mode to update the firmware. The button also seems to get stuck if pressed longer, and I then have to wiggle it for a little while to get it unstuck.

The module seems to be working fine otherwise, I'm currently using it with the Blck Noir Drum module, also from Endorphines, and a Linnstrument.

I've emailed Endorphines and the store where I bought the SC, but wanted to hear if anyone here has experienced this issue? Is this something that can be fixed?


Did you change your faceplate? I experienced this with one of my SC's when changing the faceplate.


I didn't, but it is the black version of the module. Maybe they've changed it from a yellow faceplate at the factory, and the same thing happened? Anyway, did you manage to get it sorted out?


Mine works when you jiggle it a little, I haven't pursued it yet.


Ok, sure. I'll try that. Thanks!
ishi
Yeah, same here. Left button on Grand Terminal (Shuttle). Still have to pursue it too, thanks for the reminder wink Did you hear back from them?
jk-dk
ishi wrote:
Yeah, same here. Left button on Grand Terminal (Shuttle). Still have to pursue it too, thanks for the reminder wink Did you hear back from them?


Yes, they were to quick to respond, heard from them on Monday and awaiting further instructions atm. It's still under warranty, so I'm guessing I'll probably have to send it in for repair. Will keep you posted.
herrjano
Has anyone used it with the Sensel Morph? The SC shows H in the screen when I connect the Morph in the "to host" USB input, but after that nothing happens.

The Morph is using the latest firmware 0.19.180 and the Shuttle Control is using the latest stable firmware 3.8R9. I’m using the Slow Charge option in the Morph in case current draw was a problem but still no success. I'm trying the Buchla Thunder overlay with default settings and I've tried MPE and regular MIDI in the SC configuration and still no luck.
Phil999
same here. The Sensel gets recognised as a device, Shuttle Control displays the 'h', but no MIDI gets transmitted. I hope this will be fixed one day, until then it just needs a computer to use the Sensel with the Shuttle Control.
herrjano
After checking the support forums of the Morph for problems with other devices I think it’s because it presents itself as a “multimode” device where one of its capabilities is MIDI USB. That’s probably not supported by the SC.

I’ll send support requests to both ends, maybe they can solve it.
neuroportal
Hey Herrjano - did you get any replies?
herrjano
Endorphin.es asked me some questions regarding the device but hasn't got back to me yet. Sensel the same, but I also asked them if they could get in touch with Endorphin.es, since they have helped in the past other companies like Expert Sleepers to support their device. I hope to get a reply for either soon, otherwise I'll have to return my Morph (I don't want to use an extra device as a "proxy" to connect it).
neuroportal
Hopeing superbooth just slowed them down a bit. I know that the people behind Enforphin.es were at there from what I was told. Nice guys apparently.
neuroportal
"Hi Ben,

Currently, there's an issue that prevents the Morph from working with the Shuttle Control. We're in touch with Endorphin.es, and their team is currently working on a fix. If you'd still prefer to cancel your order, please let me know.

Best,
David at Sensel"

In which case I will let the order go through. Hopefully this will be resolved shortly.
herrjano
Sensel also got back to me today telling me that they are in touch with Endorphin.es to solve this, I'll risk it and keep my Morph.
Phil999
thank you guys for your efforts, and to the folks at Sensel and Endorphin.es.
neuroportal
Confirmation from Endorphines.

"Hello Ben
Yes, we are in touch with Sensel developers and waiting for the test unit from them. Also we are working on the code from our side as well.
Will announce once everything will be ready.
It looks feasible but we have to have devices to test.
Andreas."
Umcorps
Probably worth logging here that there looks to be a similar issue with the Haken Continuum Mini not being recognised by the SC as well.

I expect its the same underlying issue. I've logged it directly with Endorphines. Hopefully the next update of the firmware will sort it out.
skitzo
Anyone use a shuttle control with a Polyend Sea? Looking for info on config for gate and 1v/oct outs. Can’t get it to recognize the controls. It does realize a host is connected.
herrjano
Endorphin.es got back to me and the latest beta firmware 3.9R2 adds support for the Sensel Morph. So far I haven't found any problems. Thanks to both Endorphin.es and Sensel grin.
yrn1
Deleted. Was useless question.
monads
herrjano wrote:
Endorphin.es got back to me and the latest beta firmware 3.9R2 adds support for the Sensel Morph. So far I haven't found any problems. Thanks to both Endorphin.es and Sensel grin.


v3.9R2 is still listed as 'beta' though. I recently updated to v3.9R1 awaiting official release of R2.
zynapse
Anyone using Shuttle Control with Live's CV tools? What do you assign the outputs to on the editor? Gate and pitch are clear but what about when using LFO, envelope follower etc.
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