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Frac Oscillators

Post by Roycie Roller » Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:55 pm

With all of the oscillators in Eurorack now, i'm wondering why there haven't been more pop up in Frac format?
There's the Blacet Oscillator & Mini-Wave & their Wiard counterparts, Cyndustries frac Zeroscillator, Metalbox cgs (?) & STG Mankato filter as sine oscillator- all of which are brilliant i am sure of it! Then there's DIY frac too. OK, it's a lot, & i'd be happy with any of the above examples. However i still can't help thinking if we might see some new, and different, frac oscillators.
Have i missed anything? I was just wondering if anything might be on the horizon...

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Post by dubchild » Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:29 pm

Paul has been working on his MOTM 2.0 frac Oscillator module for a while and I think he said they should be out soon...

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Post by thermionicjunky » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:58 am

When the Future Sound Systems oscillator is ready, it will be available in Frac.

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Post by Muff Wiggler » Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:42 pm

yeah, there's not a lot...

- Blacet VCO
- Metalbox/CGS Bi-N-Tic
- Cyndustries Zerosc
- Most VCF's as a Sine VCO

As mentioned the MiniWave, but I don't really count it as you cannot get it to track unless you already have a VCO to drive it. So it counts for about half I guess :hihi:

And I guess that's it. There's a CGS VCO that one could build up, and I betcha krisp14u would build up an Oakley one in frac format if anyone wanted it.

There's the SN-Voice PCB, that can be setup for frac and has v/Oct and two (I believe) waveforms.

Haven't looked but there's probably a MFOS one that someone could build. And PAiA of course.

A lot of dotcom modules have PCB's small enough to mount behind a frac panel, and they all run off of +/-15v, so if the VCO had a small enough board one could modify this for frac. Same with MOTM, but I think most of their PCBs are too big.

I think those are the options...

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Post by Roycie Roller » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:29 pm

Any of those would be great...I forgot about the FSS oscillator- that could throw a cat among the pigeons for sure! And, i forgot that one can run Modcan's oscillators off a frac supply. All of a sudden, it's a big range...I think i was just AFG brainwashed & imagining a frac oscillator with tons of dials...
It does already exist, i guess, as the Wiard VCO. How do users find the Wiard oscillator?

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Post by Kwote » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:32 am

Roycie Roller wrote:How do users find the Wiard oscillator?
It's a Classic VCO :)
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Post by plord » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:19 am

The Wiard osc is brilliant. There are FOUR frequency inputs, v/Oct, unattenuated expo FM, expo FM with atten, lin FM with atten, plus a variable soft/hard sync. The soft sync will grab individual harmonics with a careful touch. The sine is very clean and sounds great when abused. The PWM is tweaked so it won't go to complete silence; this is different than the Blacet osc and I use them for different things. The net result is that you can throw six (maybe more) different kinds of modulation at the Wiard osc. It responds very well to extreme modulation.

Plus you get all the Wiard extras, a S+H out based on the buchla SOU, an AR envelope, and a VCA. The env is normalled to the VCA and PWM, but you can of course access any of the sub-functions independently.

Every time I try to sit down and get simple waveform demos, it gets way out of hand. I'll try again this week :)

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Post by krisp14u » Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:57 pm

Muff Wiggler wrote:and I betcha krisp14u would build up an Oakley one in frac format if anyone wanted it.
Funny you should say that just off the production line and will be on its way to its new owner in the next day or so

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Post by Kwote » Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:01 pm

nice one Krisp!

any plans on sound samples?
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Post by Muff Wiggler » Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:12 pm

wow Paul, very nice indeed!!

Do you mind if I make a blog post about that? May give you some more traffic/business as well if you want it....

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Post by futuresoundsystems » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:37 am

Roycie Roller wrote:I forgot about the FSS oscillator- that could throw a cat among the pigeons for sure!
Even though it'll pitch track to 1V/Oct like a blind horse trying to follow something... I dunno. :lol: It's definitely meant more for sequencer use if you want to go down the melodic route. If you want it for all out glitch noise stuff, you're in for a treat I can tell you. Those complaining about whether the AFG pitch tracks or not should stay WELL clear from this territory.
Yeah, it needs more R&D really. I keep getting strange bugs with each build I do (really not right or good obviously) so I might have to rethink the electronics behind it at some point. In fact... I think I've just thought of something :hihi:
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Post by Roycie Roller » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:56 am

futuresoundsystems wrote: Even though it'll pitch track to 1V/Oct like a blind horse trying to follow something... If you want it for all out glitch noise stuff, you're in for a treat I can tell you.
Sounds great! Looking forward to it..

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Post by Frac Force Five » Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:20 am

krisp14u wrote:
Muff Wiggler wrote:and I betcha krisp14u would build up an Oakley one in frac format if anyone wanted it.
Funny you should say that just off the production line and will be on its way to its new owner in the next day or so

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That would be me. The module to the left is my new Sample/Slew, and next Paul is going to build me a nifty Dual ADSR/VCA.

Looks great Paul!

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Post by krisp14u » Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:53 am

Frac Force Five wrote:
That would be me. The module to the left is my new Sample/Slew, and next Paul is going to build me a nifty Dual ADSR/VCA.

Looks great Paul!
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Muff Wiggler wrote:wow Paul, very nice indeed!!

Do you mind if I make a blog post about that? May give you some more traffic/business as well if you want it....

cheers
cheers Muff
feel free to post on your blog Muff I can always use some more customers
although this was the hardest Oakley module to wire up I have done so far but sounds just as sweet as his big brothers

futuresoundsystems wrote:Even though it'll pitch track to 1V/Oct like a blind horse trying to follow something... I dunno. :lol: It's definitely meant more for sequencer use if you want to go down the melodic route. If you want it for all out glitch noise stuff, you're in for a treat I can tell you. Those complaining about whether the AFG pitch tracks or not should stay WELL clear from this territory.
sounds like a 3 X LM566 VCO I have on the bread board sounds fantastic but don't track for S#;t
futuresoundsystems wrote: Yeah, it needs more R&D really. I keep getting strange bugs with each build I do (really not right or good obviously) so I might have to rethink the electronics behind it at some point. In fact... I think I've just thought of something :hihi:
you have less than 11 months left and I want to have half a day playing with your inventions
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Post by consumed » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:14 am

awesome! the oakley VCO truly rocks. i have been dreaming of building one or two of them myself.
krisp14u wrote:Funny you should say that just off the production line and will be on its way to its new owner in the next day or so

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Post by futuresoundsystems » Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:22 pm

krisp14u wrote:
futuresoundsystems wrote:Even though it'll pitch track to 1V/Oct like a blind horse trying to follow something... I dunno. :lol: It's definitely meant more for sequencer use if you want to go down the melodic route. If you want it for all out glitch noise stuff, you're in for a treat I can tell you. Those complaining about whether the AFG pitch tracks or not should stay WELL clear from this territory.
sounds like a 3 X LM566 VCO I have on the bread board sounds fantastic but don't track for S#;t
futuresoundsystems wrote: Yeah, it needs more R&D really. I keep getting strange bugs with each build I do (really not right or good obviously) so I might have to rethink the electronics behind it at some point. In fact... I think I've just thought of something :hihi:
you have less than 11 months left and I want to have half a day playing with your inventions
Haha that 566 VCO sounds crazy - three of them sounds very nice indeed.

I definitely owe you a day of modular patching at some point. I'll definitely have at least one 16U cabinet at the meeting next year, perhaps a second.

I have a Journeyman coming soon (well... within the next few months). That'll sound pretty wack next to two Formant VCOs.
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Post by Moog$FooL$ » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:34 pm

thought i'd add a little minor update here: just got an email from Paul S regarding my long overdue kits where i also asked him about his frac line & how & when it was expanding???

he replied: There will be a MOTM VCO in Frac around Thanksgiving :)

Actually, 2 of them, an all-analog and a digital one that has *8* VCOs in it.

wacky that!!! :confused: a digi one with 8 VCO's???

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Post by parasitk » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:50 pm

Moog$FooL$ wrote:and a digital one that has *8* VCOs in it.

wacky that!!! :confused: a digi one with 8 VCO's???
Sounds ADDictive! (see what i did there? woo!) :party:

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Post by Cat-A-Tonic » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:16 pm

Cloud Generator perhaps???!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :hyper: :hyper:

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Post by Babaluma » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:05 am

i'll definitely have an motm vco when it's ready. my system has three blacet vcos, and while i love them, it would be even more amazing to have three different kinds of vcos instead. there's no spare room in my system, which means any replacement has to be a standard frac width (like the blacets). if the motm one becomes available then i'll only need one more!

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Post by parasitk » Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:19 am

Cat-A-Tonic wrote:Cloud Generator perhaps???!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :hyper: :hyper:
That would be pretty fantastic, and the site (not that this necessarily means anything) does say it'll be out in MOTM format in the Oct/Nov 2008 area...

This is the MOTM module I've been looking forward to, and if he did one in Frac (even with 1/2 the oscillators as the MOTM size) I'd be pretty freaking happy!

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Post by Kwote » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:41 am

cool. i'll be building three CGS VCO's eventually to go with my 3 Blacet VCO's. hopefully 2 Wiard Classic VCO's and a Waveform City. I'm definately interested in the MOTM frac VCO. i've been wanting to try their stuff but they haven't offered anything in frac that interests me thus far.

hopefully he'll still come through with the frac midi/cv module.
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Post by eyehue » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:31 pm

8 digital VCOs sounds hoTT!!!
Kwote wrote:I'm definately interested in the MOTM frac VCO. i've been wanting to try their stuff but they haven't offered anything in frac that interests me thus far.
i really like my MOTM ladder VCF. the Moog VCF is really THE classic VCF sound most people recognize. very pleasing to my ears at least.

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Post by Kwote » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:56 pm

eyehue wrote:8 digital VCOs sounds hoTT!!!
Kwote wrote:I'm definately interested in the MOTM frac VCO. i've been wanting to try their stuff but they haven't offered anything in frac that interests me thus far.
i really like my MOTM ladder VCF. the Moog VCF is really THE classic VCF sound most people recognize. very pleasing to my ears at least.
i think if i had money to burn i would try their whole existing frac lineup but so far it doesn't beckon me like the blacet/cgs/wiard stuff does.
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Post by synthetic » Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:11 pm

Paul is building all of the new stuff to fit in all formats, so it wouldn't surprise me if the Frac version quickly followed the MOTM format.

Hopefully he'll have a Euro version as well since Frac is on its way out. [ducks]

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