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Triadex "The Muse" pics and sound clips.

Post by Soy Sos » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:15 pm

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A friend of mine left this with me to mess with.
OK, so maybe not modular. But this thing sounds amazing through my system!
What the fuck is it? Look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triadex_Muse
http://www.synthmuseum.com/triad/index.html
It looks mostly discrete inside and has this crazy slider matrix thingy plus pretty blinky lights. It makes pretty blinky music.
If anyone is interested I can post some audio tomorrow.
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The raw waveforms look like this:

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Post by sascha.victoria » Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:24 pm

those are fun. at one point there was a PC soft synth that did what that does. i wish there was an AU version...

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Post by blungo2 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:34 pm

Clips or it never happened. :evil:

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Post by Soy Sos » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:29 pm

I'll put some clips together tomorrow. But pretty trippy, huh?
The tone on it's own is mad boring. It'd be interesting if I could get clock in or out of it.

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Post by sduck » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:07 pm

Here's a link to the triadex muse emulator page - http://www.trovar.com/muse/muse.html

Windows only. It's a pretty good demontration of what the thing can do (and what it can't). It's a bit improved from the real thing as you can use different sounds with it.

You might be interested in the 2 add-on boxes that the triadex people came up with for the muse - there's a matching amplifier box, and a "light show" box. Look on matrixsynth for pictures and videos of these. (oh - I see sacha has provided a link to a video while i was typing this)
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Post by Noah Vail » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:07 pm

The Triadex Muse was the subject of my November 2004 Vintage Synths/Gear column in Keyboard. It's no longer posted online, so I'll serve up the text here. Please forgive me if any links no longer function.

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by Mark Vail

Triadex Muse
Stochastic melody composer

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A Triadex Muse. Optionally available were a light organ and external speaker, both of which shared the same triangular cabinet with the Muse. With proprietary cables and adapters, multiple Muses could be interfaced to produce interactive, polyphonic music.

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Description: Computerized monophonic music synthesizer with user control of volume, tempo (eight steps from 54 to 1,662 bpm), coarse pitch (32Hz to 4.5kHz), fine pitch (±10% of fundamental frequency), intervals, and musical themes. Built-in 4" speaker.
Produced: Development began in 1970; production ran from 1971 to 1972.
Approximate number manufactured: 260.
Manufacturer: Triadex Incorporated, 1238 Chestnut St., Newton Upper Falls, MA (no longer doing business).
Insider information: The Muse was considered more a gadget than a musical instrument. Instead of being sold in music stores, it was carried by novelty shops and Tiffany & Co. An ad for it appeared in Playboy. . . . A transcript of a 1991 interview that Marvin Minsky did with Otto Laske can be read at http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/papers ... .Music.txt. . . . For a freeware Muse simulator for Windows, visit www.trovar.com/muse/muse.html. . . . The Psych-Tone, a Muse-like kit, was detailed in the February 1971 issue of Popular Electronics.
Original retail price: $249.
Current value: $1,000 to $1,500.

The advent of affordable logic circuits and microprocessors during the 1960s allowed musicians, programmers, and others to experiment with compositional techniques that had previously been extremely difficult or even impossible. One of the offshoots of such efforts was an intriguing little box called the Muse, which generates monophonic note sequences based on front-panel switch and slider settings. It was co-designed by Marvin Minsky and Edward Fredkin, both of the MIT Media Laboratory.

“Marvin Minsky is almost universally recognized as the father of artificial intelligence,” explains David Kean of the Audities Foundation. “One of the favorite areas for any psychological endeavor is music because it has a certain amount of stochastic logic to it. Researchers use heuristics to try to determine compositional form. There are all sorts of ideas about how to shape logic to make it emulate artistic expression and, since music is one of the few time-based art forms that has a serial output, it’s a very fertile area for psychologists and somebody such as Minsky, who’s interested in making machines think.

“The Muse box was born out of an idea about how to offer a user some potential music algorithms. You can’t use a Muse box to realize or compose a pre-determined piece because it won’t do that. But what you can do is program trends, which is a big deal in artificial intelligence. You program the Muse with a compositional or melodic trend and shape it with sliders, which are basically controllers of chaos.”

Three groups of four vertical sliders accompany a handful of switches on the Muse’s front panel. How does the Muse do its thing? A comprehensive explanation of its workings can be found in its 13-page manual, which cost an extra two bucks, but this copy from the February 1971 Popular Electronics provides some clues: “With 14 trillion note combinations, Muse has four switches for volume, tempo, pitch, and fine pitch, and eight slide switches. Four of the latter vary the interval and thus determine the notes, while the other four control the theme and variations of the melody. Triadex warns that it is possible to set up a composition that would take 30 years to play, which may be too long if you’re only interested in the coda.”

Considered as a synthesizer, the Muse voice isn’t very impressive. Then again, that wasn’t its purpose. Its musical output, however, can inspire compositional ideas. Electronic-music composer Laurie Spiegel, developer of the “intelligent instrument” Music Mouse application for Mac, Amiga, and Atari computers (http://retiary.org/ls), often turns to her Muse for ideas.

“The Muse was an interesting experiment,” sums up Kean. “It didn’t necessarily prove anything, but it was an exercise. Minsky and Fredkin decided that it was an interesting enough outcome that they should market it, so they did. It’s really funny because it was one of those odd moments where an instrument was built to satisfy a concept about some academic idea regarding artificial intelligence.

“The Muse is really cool and it’s amazing to hear. It isn’t something you play, though. You just turn it on, give it some guidelines, and let it go.”

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Post by blungo2 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:04 am

Yes, interesting device, i've heard of them before but never seen the video.
Reminds me a lot of the noisering driving a sequencer.

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Post by jenamu6 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:04 am

I would like 1 in euro format, yes please.

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Post by Soy Sos » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:44 am

Thanks Noah!
That's better than any info I was able to come up with after a quick search. It is a pretty beautiful design and concept. The lines it produces can be really lovely and the enclosure is very slick looking. The lamest thing about it is the actual voice of the thing. I'll record some of it in a little while with the voice first raw and then crossfade in the treated voice I worked up. Like I said before, some way to sync to and from would be nice and a gate or trigger out for each note would make it easy to use VCA/LPG with envelopes on the voice. As it is, it just plays one long steady stream. Although at some settings it seems to make pauses. I don't own it, so modding it is not an option. There are some multi-pin jacks on the bottom that may offer some options. I should take some pics of the inside, it's very cool looking.


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Post by jenamu6 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:25 am

mmm sounds like my noisering thats making sweetlove with the z8000


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Post by drewtoothpaste » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:17 pm

I had plans to duplicate the Muse functionality on the Arduino platform a couple years back, but ran outta time. It's surprisingly melodic!

The functionality of the shift registers is written out somewhere online and seems like it would be possible to set up in max if you didn't wanna mess with duplicating the hardware.

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Post by wetterberg » Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:08 am

drewtoothpaste wrote:I had plans to duplicate the Muse functionality on the Arduino platform a couple years back, but ran outta time. It's surprisingly melodic!

The functionality of the shift registers is written out somewhere online and seems like it would be possible to set up in max if you didn't wanna mess with duplicating the hardware.
if you ever dig this out please link it up. :tu:

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Post by Soy Sos » Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:52 am

I know it can all be done in hardware and software, but the box itself is so amazing and "mojo having". It's only on loan and I wouldn't go on a quest and pay crazy money for one, but I feel so lucky to have one to mess with for a while. My wife loved it and actually said that she hoped there was a way I could keep it! She's planning on using some of the recordings in her choreography work.

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Post by andrewF » Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:53 am

i had a bit of a thing for cloning the muse a while back, guess its on the backburner for a while.
anyway Hal Chamberlain's book had a section on the muse
the block diagram gives a lot of info -
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Post by wetterberg » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:18 am

Alright, I am abit closer to grokking this. Someone please talk me through that diagram. The 8 columns basically represent the slide switches, so you can set up the connections through there - the "parity generator", is that basically generating a single bit for the shift register?
Also, does anyone know the contents of the "Major scale translation logic"?
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Post by andrewF » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:46 am

just guessing -
the parity generator counts how many 1s are coming in. for an 'odd' parity generator, if there are an even number of 1s in the signal, the parity generator will add an extra bit as a 1, if odd number, then a 0.

guess its a kind of randomness (in the sense that it would be fkn hard to know how many 1s are going in)

As for the major scale logic - :hmm:
4 bits in and 5 bits out, nice one!

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Post by Soy Sos » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:59 pm

Loving all the information and insight.
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Post by CZ Rider » Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:20 pm

Great pics! Always wondered what the Muse looked like inside.
First time I remember hearing one was on the UK album, the track Alaska where the CS-80 solo ends with the Muse starting up. Classic!
Found a link to the similar DIY project Psych-tone reprint of a Popular Electronics article.
Popular Electronics Psych-tone Feb 1971
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Post by revmutt » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:03 am

I prefer the Muse to the Psych-Tone. The later does give "some" control over the sound but none the less...
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