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Double triggers in Nord Drum 2

Post by ethnotronics » Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:19 pm

I get double triggers in a Nord Drum 2, when activated by gate signals from a Beatstep Pro. Of course I can reduce the gate durations for each step of w sequence, but I am looking to fix this in the Nord Drum, since I get double triggers also when I use the pads (unless I hit them for very short time).
I tried changing the trigger type but this did not help.
Any proper solution to this? :help:

I am a bit surprised that the Bird Drum trigger on both the rising edge and the falling edge of an input pulse (the gate): why the hell was it not designed to trigger only on the rising edge? :despair:
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Post by chvad » Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:21 am

maybe it's looking for triggers and not gates.

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Post by ethnotronics » Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:59 am

chvad wrote:maybe it's looking for triggers and not gates.
...well... Of course :roll:
but I am surprised it cannot be used with pads and I was asking for a way to make it work...

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Post by chvad » Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:17 pm

"I was asking for a way to make it work..."

then convert your gates to triggers. :tu:

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Re: Double triggers in Nord Drum 2

Post by VanEck » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:19 am

ethnotronics wrote:I get double triggers in a Nord Drum 2, when activated by gate signals from a Beatstep Pro. Of course I can reduce the gate durations for each step of w sequence, but I am looking to fix this in the Nord Drum, since I get double triggers also when I use hot the pads (unless I hit them for very short time).
I tried changing the trigger type but this did not help.
Any proper solution to this? :help:

I am a bit surprised that the Bird Drum trigger on both the rising edge and the falling edge of an input pulse (the gate): why the hell was it not designed to trigger only on the rising edge? :despair:
I've been wondering if there was a fast and easy solution to this as well. Currently i've just been reducing the gate down to a number 10, which seems to eliminate the double trigger... but having to do this 16 times for each of the 6 channels is very cumbersome, and to the best of my knowledge, the setting can't be saved into the default project. Unless maybe im doing it wrong, it seems I have to do this every time.
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Post by dan_p » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:31 am

You could add a cap to the cable. I fixed the double trigger falling edge thing doing this (err, I think it was a cap, I'm a bit shit with electronics, someone else sorted me out (Tom Bugs, he's really clever). Try it anyway, it might work but ask someone who knows stuff about the value to use. Making some leads up will be cheaper than using up a load of envelopes or gate to trig thingies.
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Post by tIB » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:57 am

dan_p wrote:You could add a cap to the cable. I fixed the double trigger falling edge thing doing this (err, I think it was a cap, I'm a bit shit with electronics, someone else sorted me out (Tom Bugs, he's really clever). Try it anyway, it might work but ask someone who knows stuff about the value to use. Making some leads up will be cheaper than using up a load of envelopes or gate to trig thingies.
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Post by d.thomas » Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:05 am

What OS are you using?
I just picked up a Nord Drum 2 OS 3.0 and it does not have the double trigger issue. I purchased a Ladik Quad Gate to Trigger converted to pair with my Trigger Riot, but just realized its working fine with gates too. :doh:

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Post by doskonale » Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:16 am

Hello wigglers.

Bumping this thread. :confused:

I'm using the Nord Drum 2 (OS 3.0) with Trigger Riot. I do get double triggers unless I set PW to 0. It is an annoying workaround, as you lose the ability to make the triggers overlap by varying the pulse width, which is a really cool TR trick.

Anyone knows of a fix ? Other than using mutliple Gate-to-Trigger modules.

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Post by ethnotronics » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:25 am

...still think it's a major miss from both the Nord Drum, to be able to rspond to gate, and the Beat Step, to be able output triggers without having to set the PW for each individual step.

I kind of gave up, and maybe the best option to interconnect the two units is via MIDI, so that you also get velocity.

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Post by Southfork » Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:29 am

I get double triggering on the nord with most of my trigger sequencers. The circadian rhythm is usually ok and Triggerman works fine. Its not its fault really, it's designed to use with trigger pads, the fact it works pretty well within euro and gates is just a bi-product.

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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:48 am

My intention is to make a 2HP Gate-to-Trigger module. There was a thread where someone had made passive one, in 2hp, for 3 Gates and said that it would be possible to squeeze in 4. So a 4hp would work for the 6 ND2 inputs. Since it's passive it doesn't even have to be on your rack.

Actually scratch that, you can make one on a large jack and plug your mini jack there.
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Post by Southfork » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:04 pm

Ok update, I've found by setting the trigger type to t.AC3 I'm not getting any double triggering. This is obviously in my setup with my trigger sources and not sure how this will work for you or if you're using velocity or other things, but give it a go :tu:

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Post by ethnotronics » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:29 am

Seems it's now possible to change the gate length of all steps with only knob turn (to make them short enough so that the NordDrum doesn't trigger twice). :party:
Much better than having to do that for all the steps...

From the release notes of the latest BSP firmware:

"SHIFT + KNOB : Changes are applied to all the steps of the pattern using one knob. KNOB 1 is used for RELATIVE changes and KNOB 2 for ABSOLUTE changes. Velocity, Gate and Shift can be modified this way."

EDIT: the problem of double triggering when hitting the pads is course still there :roll:

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Post by olaims » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:14 am

There is no solution to work with the Beatstep Pro and the Nord Drum 2 without getting double triggers?

I have solved to trigger only once by "play" mode, but when I push the Pads I get the sound twice, once by pressing and one by releasing...

I have the Nord Drum set up with the t.Ac3 and putting the gates on the BSP to 10 or lower :despair:

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Post by kismert » Thu Mar 24, 2016 7:39 am

Hello all:

I was researching this very topic, and ran across this blog post:

Arturia Beatstep Pro and Nord Drum 2

This summarizes a lot of what has been said in this thread about getting the Arturia Beatstep Pro and Nord Drum 2 to work together using the Beatstep's drum gate.

It also addresses the double trigger issue when using the Beatstep's pads, as well -- a solution of technique, not technology.

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Post by stwerewolf » Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:37 am

Before I hit "buy" on a Nord Drum 2, anyone having any double-trigger issues sequencing with a Circadian Rhythm on the most recent OS?

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Post by r1n9o » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:58 pm

Much success here with the Circadian Rythm / Nord Drum 2 combo. (No double triggering.)
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Post by stwerewolf » Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:10 am

r1n9o wrote:Much success here with the Circadian Rythm / Nord Drum 2 combo. (No double triggering.)
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Post by memovitch » Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:49 am

somebody try to dissolve double triggers with this one? http://ladik.ladik.eu/?page_id=559

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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Thu May 11, 2017 5:34 pm

This one was designed with the ND2 in mind :tu:

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/ladik-m-218
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Post by rico loverde » Thu May 11, 2017 5:38 pm

I used this with my Nord Drum and it works great. Small and cheap.

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Post by Umcorps » Fri May 12, 2017 3:03 am

Paranormal Patroler wrote:This one was designed with the ND2 in mind :tu:

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/ladik-m-218
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Post by memovitch » Fri May 12, 2017 1:14 pm

yes, M218 is here and ist perfect solution for connecting ND2 with eurorack. no more double triggers and its pretty sensitive to signal amplitude.

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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Wed May 17, 2017 12:25 pm

memovitch wrote:yes, M218 is here and ist perfect solution for connecting ND2 with eurorack. no more double triggers and its pretty sensitive to signal amplitude.
Glad you like it! :goo:
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