NI releases Reaktor 6

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Post by thelizard » Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:38 pm

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thelizard wrote:Bought it, and quite like it. The workflow is great, and... FEEDBACK. It hasn't been this easy to patch feedback in a software module since the Nord Modular. The Blocks that come with it are already quite good, especially the filters.

I'm thinking of resurrecting my Max Euromax project for Reaktor and creating a bunch of Eurorack-emulation Blocks.
Looks like some thought has been put into the block building side of things as well.

Intro to building using the Blocks Template
Awesome, thanks for the link! That will definitely help get me started.

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Post by schemawound » Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:28 pm

radiokoala wrote:I think if I had that, first things first I would've programmed a few simple drum synths and arranged them so I have something like volca beats on screen - xox grid, maybe 10 tracks, and then settings for those 10 at the top, each with their own engine... like snare, clap, fm perc... etc kinda thing. Is there anything like that at all in the plugin world?
The two things that come to mind based on your description are Audio Damage Tattoo ( https://www.audiodamage.com/instruments ... ?pid=AD024 ) and Arturia Spark ( http://www.arturia.com/products/drums/spark )

I've had kinda mixed results with both for various reasons but that's all I can really come up with.

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Post by PraxisCat » Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:57 pm

I have been playing it all night. The blocks thing is fantastic. The "bento" oscillator has TZ FM.

This is easily the best update I can remember to any NI product.

Not everything I want is there, but it's worth every penny of the $99 for the upgrade. I was off and running doing very off the wall stuff almost immediately. It reacts like it should, and it sounds great.

(On a side note, there are some things I like about Oscillot more, but it's great to have both).

I am going to dig in a bit more, but based on initial impressions it's awesome.
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Post by ben jah men » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:31 pm

I've always wanted a nord modular but never played one. I'm curious how it's UI could be any better than Blocks?

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Post by kadhai » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:37 pm

Between this and BEAP I might have to get my Silent Way on finally.

Man I want to run sounds from my computer through a low pass gate.

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Post by dumbledog » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:44 pm

I don't yet have a Eurorack built (and thus am a poseur extraordinare) but when I do get around to making one I'd love a NI module that could bridge between Reaktor and a hardware rack.

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Post by PraxisCat » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:45 pm

ben jah men wrote:I've always wanted a nord modular but never played one. I'm curious how it's UI could be any better than Blocks?
The UI of Nord Modular is dated, but it's capabilities were Deep. The reality is the capabilities of NI Reaktor are actually deeper with it being a visual programmer, but it wasn't there yet in terms of modular in previous versions. Now that door has finally opened. I don't think people realize how quickly the blocks thing can expand. Nord modular just has hard core loyalists. So this is going to be a never ending format war type debate. The difference to me though is I would rather have a 64 bit thing I can use on a modern OS and Native plugin in a well supported software package that I can do some creation for via a visual programmer, than something that is no longer supported and can no longer be used with a modern OS.

Some people though have very strong sentimental feelings for their hardware, and that's understandable. But that's the thing, I have hardware modular synthesizers. Nord modular shows the risk that is there with expensive hardware-software hybrids. It is why I do my best to avoid them.
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Post by ignatius » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:52 pm

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ben jah men wrote:I've always wanted a nord modular but never played one. I'm curious how it's UI could be any better than Blocks?
The UI of Nord Modular is dated, but it's capabilities were Deep. The reality is the capabilities of NI Reaktor are actually deeper with it being a visual programmer, but it wasn't there yet in terms of modular in previous versions. Now that door has finally opened. I don't think people realize how quickly the blocks thing can expand. Nord modular just has hard core loyalists. So this is going to be a never ending format war type debate. The difference to me though is I would rather have a 64 bit thing I can use on a modern OS and Native plugin in a well supported software package that I can do some creation for via a visual programmer, than something that is no longer supported and can no longer be used with a modern OS.

Some people though have very strong sentimental feelings for their hardware, and that's understandable. But that's the thing, I have hardware modular synthesizers.
Bird modular editor runs fin on modern OS X. But as I always I say "both"

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Post by Manzanedo » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:35 am

My question has been answered: Will I see Reaktor 6 or a new Tool album first? Either way, I am excited.

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Post by ignatius » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:57 am

reaktor is really powerful and so many tools exist that are built with it. i'm stoked for reaktor 6.. just going to wait for next komplete update.. don't want to pay for reaktor update twice. :hmm:

if next go round of komplete doesn't come after the holidays some time then perhaps i'll jump on R6.. it's not like i need all the jibba jabba in komplete anyways.

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Post by thelizard » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:11 am

Woo! Posted one of the first blocks onto the library.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/c ... show/8713/

Logic Mix was inspired by Intellijel's uMod 2 and Shapeshifter. I hope that someone finds it to be useful. I'm hoping to make a lot more of these. The visual editing aspect of the Blocks needs a *ton* of work, though. Dragging elements around is way harder than it should be. Until they fix that, my stuff will have barebones interfaces.

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Post by Raytracer » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:49 am

thelizard wrote:Woo! Posted one of the first blocks onto the library.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/c ... show/8713/

Logic Mix was inspired by Intellijel's uMod 2 and Shapeshifter. I hope that someone finds it to be useful. I'm hoping to make a lot more of these. The visual editing aspect of the Blocks needs a *ton* of work, though. Dragging elements around is way harder than it should be. Until they fix that, my stuff will have barebones interfaces.
How hard was it to make a barebones interface?

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Post by thelizard » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:57 am

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thelizard wrote:Woo! Posted one of the first blocks onto the library.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/c ... show/8713/

Logic Mix was inspired by Intellijel's uMod 2 and Shapeshifter. I hope that someone finds it to be useful. I'm hoping to make a lot more of these. The visual editing aspect of the Blocks needs a *ton* of work, though. Dragging elements around is way harder than it should be. Until they fix that, my stuff will have barebones interfaces.
How hard was it to make a barebones interface?
Honestly, way harder than it should've been. They posted a useful repository of Blocks parts here: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/c ... show/8705/

It's not too hard to copy-paste the controls that you want and plug them together in Core. However, dragging the elements around and trying to get them to have the alignment you want is hugely problematic. For instance, the pre-built knobs don't group together unless you put a frame around them. Turning off the frame changes the positioning. Editing labels in these pre-built control sets is a structure-diving nightmare. For instance, the radio label buttons are about five or six layers in, and you have to edit two separate labels that are on different layers from each other. I'm really hoping that they tackle these annoyances before anything else.

That being said, I'm very impressed at how much easier the Core aspect is compared to R5. The Quick Buses and bundles make things a lot cleaner.

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Post by listentoaheartbeat » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:40 am

Bacchus wrote:Just thought it would be good to let you guys know that there's been quite a few wigglers involved in the development of Reaktor 6. It was made with love, and it was made with wigglers in mind.

There's a lot of brand new DSP in the Blocks, and a huge amount of time and effort was put into making sure you can abuse them just like you would a real module - everything handles feedback and audio-rate modulation gracefully for example. In my view (admittedly biased), using Blocks is the first time since the original Nord Modular that I've replicated that feeling I get from a real modular in software. There's a whole world of interesting sound in just cross-patching a couple of modules.

Hope everyone enjoys this, and rest assured it's just the beginning ;)
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Post by timoka » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:15 am

so i played with it a few hours and tried to understand the block principle...and then tried to convert some of my own little ensembles to this new block based thing....it is quite hard, i need more time with it. but one thing that i can definitely say is that the new filter designs are really really good sounding!!

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Post by listentoaheartbeat » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:46 am

thelizard wrote:Woo! Posted one of the first blocks onto the library.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/c ... show/8713/
Nice one! Here's a quick and dirty drone machine based on your Logic Mix:

https://www.native-instruments.com/comm ... show/8715/

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Post by ben jah men » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:15 am

thelizard wrote:Woo! Posted one of the first blocks onto the library.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/c ... show/8713/

Logic Mix was inspired by Intellijel's uMod 2 and Shapeshifter. I hope that someone finds it to be useful. I'm hoping to make a lot more of these. The visual editing aspect of the Blocks needs a *ton* of work, though. Dragging elements around is way harder than it should be. Until they fix that, my stuff will have barebones interfaces.
Awesome!

Did NI make a proper wave shaper? The first person to start implementing west coast modules is my hero...

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Post by PraxisCat » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:19 am

Bacchus wrote:Just thought it would be good to let you guys know that there's been quite a few wigglers involved in the development of Reaktor 6. It was made with love, and it was made with wigglers in mind.

There's a lot of brand new DSP in the Blocks, and a huge amount of time and effort was put into making sure you can abuse them just like you would a real module - everything handles feedback and audio-rate modulation gracefully for example. In my view (admittedly biased), using Blocks is the first time since the original Nord Modular that I've replicated that feeling I get from a real modular in software. There's a whole world of interesting sound in just cross-patching a couple of modules.

Hope everyone enjoys this, and rest assured it's just the beginning ;)
From playing with it last night, I noticed this. I am looking forward to creating some additional blocks. Again reading into the user creation library, it makes me tempted to develop some things. Also props for having davies style knobs in the UI templates. I am going through this more and more, may even attempt to create some blocks this week to fill in some immediate gaps (ring modulator to start since the concept is easy to pull off in a visual programmer like reaktor).
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Post by fac » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:33 am

For someone who has a large MU-format modular, a small 9U eurorack, an expanded Nord G2, a micromodular, Audiomulch and VAZ Modular, and little time to use either of them, does it make any sense to grab Reaktor 6 or Max 7?

:hihi:

WTF am I thinking?

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Post by dumbledog » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:39 am

Does it matter? You're going to buy it anyway.

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Post by thelizard » Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:38 am

listentoaheartbeat wrote:
thelizard wrote:Woo! Posted one of the first blocks onto the library.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/c ... show/8713/
Nice one! Here's a quick and dirty drone machine based on your Logic Mix:

https://www.native-instruments.com/comm ... show/8715/
Awesome, thanks! I'm very excited for Blocks development to accelerate.

As a heads up, I've updated the Logic Mix Block to 1.1. It now has individual outputs for each logic type, along with the switched output.

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Post by listentoaheartbeat » Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:57 am

thelizard wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
thelizard wrote:Woo! Posted one of the first blocks onto the library.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/c ... show/8713/
Nice one! Here's a quick and dirty drone machine based on your Logic Mix:

https://www.native-instruments.com/comm ... show/8715/
Awesome, thanks! I'm very excited for Blocks development to accelerate.

As a heads up, I've updated the Logic Mix Block to 1.1. It now has individual outputs for each logic type, along with the switched output.
Yep, already noticed this and updated my patch. Cool addition! Featured on FB now. :)

https://www.facebook.com/nikomplete/pho ... =1&theater

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Post by thelizard » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:24 pm

Had some more free time today. Finished an awesome-sounding Frequency Shifter:

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/c ... show/8719/

Edit: If you already downloaded it before this edit, download it again! The 1.1 update has two different shifters, each with different types of feedback and FM response.

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Post by Kummer » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:22 pm

ignatius wrote:reaktor is really powerful and so many tools exist that are built with it. i'm stoked for reaktor 6.. just going to wait for next komplete update.. don't want to pay for reaktor update twice. :hmm:

if next go round of komplete doesn't come after the holidays some time then perhaps i'll jump on R6.. it's not like i need all the jibba jabba in komplete anyways.
exactly. My Komplete update is scheduled for Summer of next year when it's like half off for the Komplete ultimate update.

I have a crazy amount of things including a hardware modular synthesizer that I can use to make music with in the meantime
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Post by Beni Shoga » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:20 pm

This look great, but I think I'm going to hold out for Komplete; I've been waiting years for this update to Reaktor, but I've got my fingers crossed for FM9.

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