pre-release chat about Just Friends

bobbcorr · Post by **bobbcorr** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:10 pm

UPDATE - The official manufacturer's thread on Muffs can be found at https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewt ... p?t=160618

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There is a placeholder on the Whimsical Raps page today for a new module titled "Just Friends": http://www.whimsicalraps.com/pages/just-friends

A copy of an Instagram photo was posted to another thread today, along with the following from member enj_music:

enj_music wrote:The just friends is a hex-function generator, with all functions having interesting timing relations, with seemingly loads of self-patching fun to be had. Around 14hp if I remember correctly - might have been 16.

If you know more, thanks for sharing. Specifically, what is a hex-function generator? Is that a lot of Maths?

enj_music · Post by **enj_music** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:47 pm

From what I gathered, each of the six functions can be triggered independently, although there is normalling from right-to-left across the triggers, so you can create groups of triggers being triggered by the same gates. There are a few controls for more traditional function generation options, like log-lin-exp, and rise and fall time. The other knobs control the frequency of the functions, and the relative frequency between each of them. So you can have one function that takes .2 seconds, another that takes .4, etc. The frequency offset knob seemed similar to the Mangrove's barrel control, ramp to tri to saw. It seems kinda like the Maths, three sisters style. 6 independent but related functions vs. 3 independent but related filters. Oh and you can do ASR, AD, and looping!

bobbcorr · Post by **bobbcorr** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:38 pm

enj_music wrote:From what I gathered, each of the six functions can be triggered independently, although there is normalling from right-to-left across the triggers, so you can create groups of triggers being triggered by the same gates. There are a few controls for more traditional function generation options, like log-lin-exp, and rise and fall time. The other knobs control the frequency of the functions, and the relative frequency between each of them. So you can have one function that takes .2 seconds, another that takes .4, etc. The frequency offset knob seemed similar to the Mangrove's barrel control, ramp to tri to saw. It seems kinda like the Maths, three sisters style. 6 independent but related functions vs. 3 independent but related filters. Oh and you can do ASR, AD, and looping!

So for someone who has not yet bought Maths, and who has the rest of the Whimsical line, would you recommend it as a potential alternative? I'm hoping there will be some natural synergies between different modules in the same line...

enj_music · Post by **enj_music** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:40 pm

The prototype wasn't quite ready for MiM, so I can't give you a complete opinion right now. That being said, I'm very excited to see demos, which apparently will come out in the next fortnight. It would probably interface well with the rest of the Mannequins stuff, though, as they're all designed to work together.

bobbcorr · Post by **bobbcorr** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:42 pm

I have an itchy feeling it will work great with the Monome line, especially Meadowphysics. If it clocks in at 14HP, that leaves 6HP less than Maths, leaving me room for a single Monome module...

enj_music · Post by **enj_music** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:46 pm

Be warned, the only attenuator is for speed, but I'm sure you have some attenuators already. That being said, Maths is an absolute beast at what it does.

bobbcorr · Post by **bobbcorr** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:57 pm

I do not yet have my SSF SPO in hand, because I am still near the start of my journey. I have an LFO, VCO, VCF, logic/unity mixer/VCA (Cold Mac), quad VCA and a Disting. Clouds, DPLR and Ginko Grains all en route. Maths was next. Now.. I will likely still buy Maths because it is shipping and it is Maths.

Dogma · Post by **Dogma** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:09 am

Have you looked at the WMD mini-slew? its so flexible - honestly its in every single patch....one of the great things is it has a very clear Ui - i have all the Mannequins stuff and they pair beautifully...so a min-slew and a function would be awesome...i sold my maths because i was just using it for LFO/env stuff and the center channels i hardly used on Maths....i miss it very much though

mqtthiqs · Post by **mqtthiqs** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:08 am

Sounds really exciting! Can't wait to discover it in more details!

shreeswifty · Post by **shreeswifty** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:11 pm

hoping in here, i opted for a Make noise MMG to pair with my Maths instead of a 3 sisters to pair with my ColdMAc and i am kind of glad a did. but i am still kind of mistified by sets working together. Someday i will get a 3 sisters and mangrove and this cool looking thingymebob.

damase · Post by **damase** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:06 pm

That sounds awesome. I dont own mangrove stuff yet but this module could be the bump i need to get going. I love the alternate way of thinking about things

asymptote · Post by **asymptote** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:55 pm

Yes, I will be eagerly awaiting demos of this new module. I love my Mannequins gear so far, and I was thinking awhile ago that a modulation source would be the next logical module they would engineer.

coolshirtdotjpg · Post by **coolshirtdotjpg** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:03 pm

Fuck yes. The perfect companion to my Linix. I love everything I own from these guys (mangrove and RIP), amazing craftsmanship and sound. I really appreciate the expressiveness of the mangrove, very different than anything else in my rig.

nearly ghost · Post by **nearly ghost** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:41 am

Any new teasers on this thing yet?

T. Jervell · Post by **T. Jervell** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:13 am

shreeswifty wrote:hoping in here, i opted for a Make noise MMG to pair with my Maths instead of a 3 sisters to pair with my ColdMAc and i am kind of glad a did. but i am still kind of mistified by sets working together. Someday i will get a 3 sisters and mangrove and this cool looking thingymebob.

Well I got both MMG and 3 sisters, and I have to say that if I had to sell one of them I would most def keep the 3 sisters. By far my favorite eurofilter!

Daisuk · Post by **Daisuk** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:13 am

Consider me intrigued. Might have to let Maths go.

z3r01 · Post by **z3r01** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:15 am

I'm rather interested in this, too. Quick question though, anyone (who saw the prototype), knows if the Rise/Fall are CV-able?

numan7 · Post by **numan7** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:55 am

z3r01 wrote:I'm rather interested in this, too. Quick question though, anyone (who saw the prototype), knows if the Rise/Fall are CV-able?

i haven't seen the prototype...

but i'd very surprised if there was enough room for to have rise/fall(/both) for each of the 6 functions in a 14 or 16 hp module since that would be like 12 to 18 jacks (plus 12 knobs for rise and fall) by itself, which i don't think would fit (given the plethora of other jacks and knobs a module like this needs to have).

so i would bet that it's one set of rise/fall controls for all of the functions. and i would be somewhat shocked if that wasn't cv'able.

cheers

Footkerchief · Post by **Footkerchief** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:41 am

Here's the other thread mentioned in the OP: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewt ... p?t=147975
The photo:

I'm guessing the 6 function outs are at the bottom, with LEDs and trigger inputs above.

It does appear that they don't have individual rise/fall controls.

mateo · Post by **mateo** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:42 am

Footkerchief wrote:The photo:

That skiff looks awesome!

enj_music · Post by **enj_music** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:27 pm

There is a lot of CV control, it seems, I do remember that the overall speed base is CV-able

z3r01 · Post by **z3r01** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:21 pm

numan7 wrote:
z3r01 wrote:I'm rather interested in this, too. Quick question though, anyone (who saw the prototype), knows if the Rise/Fall are CV-able?
i haven't seen the prototype...

but i'd very surprised if there was enough room for to have rise/fall(/both) for each of the 6 functions in a 14 or 16 hp module since that would be like 12 to 18 jacks (plus 12 knobs for rise and fall) by itself, which i don't think would fit (given the plethora of other jacks and knobs a module like this needs to have).

so i would bet that it's one set of rise/fall controls for all of the functions. and i would be somewhat shocked if that wasn't cv'able.

cheers

Yeah, I wouldn't mind globalised input jacks for the CV, as long as everything is laid out clearly on the panel (no menu-diving, or rather different momentary switch combinations, that would require some memorisation).

The reason why I was excited for the Bastl CV Trinity initially, but held back on purchasing it was because the Rise & Fall of the envelopes were not CV-able. Plus, I am not a huge fan of the 'whole module depends on different switches-different LEDs-different function' kinda thing.

Fingers-crossed, hopefully the Just Friends' envelope stages can be CV-controlled.

enj_music wrote:There is a lot of CV control, it seems, I do remember that the overall speed base is CV-able

Thanks for the info!

I just saw the Instagram photo, but pretty hard to see what is going on with the Just Friends. Anyways, was that just a panel, cos it does look like that to me.

enj_music · Post by **enj_music** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:40 pm

z3r01 wrote:
enj_music wrote:There is a lot of CV control, it seems, I do remember that the overall speed base is CV-able
Thanks for the info!

I just saw the Instagram photo, but pretty hard to see what is going on with the Just Friends. Anyways, was that just a panel, cos it does look like that to me.

It wasn't even the final panel, just a printout of what the module looks like, on top of a blind panel.

z3r01 · Post by **z3r01** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:51 pm

enj_music wrote:
z3r01 wrote:
enj_music wrote:There is a lot of CV control, it seems, I do remember that the overall speed base is CV-able
Thanks for the info!

I just saw the Instagram photo, but pretty hard to see what is going on with the Just Friends. Anyways, was that just a panel, cos it does look like that to me.
It wasn't even the final panel, just a printout of what the module looks like, on top of a blind panel.

Now that you've mentioned it, yeah it sure looks like paper.

So, was there anything mentioned about a release date? The website placeholder states 'November 2015' which ain't too far from now till November.

enj_music · Post by **enj_music** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:57 am

Should be soon, apparently.

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pre-release chat about Just Friends

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